The White Supremacist Challenge to Senator Lindsey Graham - Comments Page 2

Buddy Witherspoon backed by a powerful cabal of nativist interests, has targeted incumbent Republican Lindsey Graham for defeat.

According to my RNC sources, never before has a seated member of the RNC actually done more than threaten to challenge an elected GOP official. That is, never before, until Buddy Witherspoon, a RNC National Committeeman from South Carolina came along. In the next few days Witherspoon will announce that he is actually going ahead with his threat to challenge first term South Carolina Republican Senator Lindsey Graham in a primary next summer.  My RNC source tells me over the years there have been several RNC Committeemen who have threatened a run, but they were always talked out of it in order to preserve party unity. Unfortunately, Buddy Witherspoon is more interested in pursuing a personal agenda focused   on his extreme views on immigration reform than he is in maintaining party loyalty.…
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  • 26 - Dave Nalle

    Nov 26, 2007 at 7:09 pm

    1. No alternate-universe theories necessary. The answer is racial misecengation with blacks.

    Since you can't even spell 'miscegenation' properly, perhaps some black genes in your ancestry would have made you MORE intelligent.

    I think that this discussion, particularly the contributions from Blogmeister stand in brilliant testimony to exactly what SJ was talking about in the article. If anyone doubted her or thought this was just paranoia when they read the article, the responses show how absolutely correct the article is.

    Dave

  • 27 - St. Louis CofCC Blogmeister

    Nov 26, 2007 at 7:41 pm

    Dave:

    Get back to me when, after all your years are behind you, you can look back and said that you never misspelled a word. Otherwise, thanks for the "brilliant" compliment -- I'll take it as a compliment.

    And no, I don't think Miss Reidhead is "paranoid," as such, but I do think she's engaging in a paranoid interpretation of facts in order to draw (what turns out to be) frivolous conclusions. (In a similar way that that certain fund-raising outfit in Montgomery, Ala. does, only their motivation is to hustle money from rich, paranoid left-wingers). For instance, she seems to think that Ron Paul is hiding under every right-wing rock manipulating all these right-wing conspiracies, when the truth of the matter is that he's not able to conspiracy me personally (I'm for Hunter), and when it comes to race and racialism, he is anything but, in fact historically he is a weak on immigration. Why all these right-wingers I know (and some I don't know and don't really care to know) are falling all over him as if he were JC reincarnate is beyond me; the best theory I can come up with is that they think that Paul's paleo-libertarianism, if seriously enacted, would disparately benefit the WN cause, though all of that is in theory, because for reasons I submitted above in this thread, my turtle will become President before Ron Paul. Being as politics are arts of the possible, I'm for Duncan Hunter because he has the best combination of ideology and electability, though it seems as if the only two people who agree with the latter anymore that are not named Hunter are me and the person who has the Town Crier Blog.

  • 28 - RJ

    Nov 26, 2007 at 8:45 pm

    "All of the groups mentioned are extremist, racist and pure evil."

    Pat Buchanan and Tom Tancredo are "pure evil" ???

    VDARE and Numbers USA are "pure evil" ???

    C'mon, Dave. You're better than that. Denouncing groups and/or organizations you disagree with politically as "racist" or "evil" is right out of the moonbat debating handbook.

    (BTW, Congressman Ellison (D-MN) has ties to the extremist and racist groups CAIR and the Nation of Islam. I eagerly await SJ's denunciation of him ... Oh, wait! That's not going to happen, is it? Because Congressman Ellison isn't a vocal opponent of amnesty for millions of illegal aliens. Which is what this hit-piece was all about: sliming opponents of illegal immigration as "racists" and "extremists" ... )

  • 29 - Dr Dreadful

    Nov 26, 2007 at 8:59 pm

    No alternate-universe theories necessary

    Really?

    In this universe, Islamic expansion was halted by two key military defeats, at Tours in 732 and at Vienna in 1683.

    The New Kingdom fell because of protracted internecine squabbling in the ruling family - arising, possibly, from a series of poor harvests caused by fallout from a volcanic eruption in Iceland.

    And why on Earth you plucked Portugal, a stable, perfectly inoffensive little country on the margins of Europe, out of the air is anyone's guess.

  • 30 - Franco

    Nov 26, 2007 at 9:07 pm

    #25 " St. Louis CofCC Blogmeister

    Your opposition to open borders doesn't seem to be much more than technocratic concern with the law. That said, amnesty for illegal aliens would make all the illegal aliens here legal with one stroke of an ink pen, problem solved. If "the law" is all you're concerned about, you should then support amnesty.

    You can call my concern for the law anything that makes you happy. But the Law is the Law and no one is above it.

    Now, amnesty for illegal aliens are another issue that only exists as a problem today because of failure to enforce the law in the first place. A sort of “cover all” or “catch up” solution for not enforceing the Law for decades. This presents many other issues that would not have otherwise been there.

    The only way alien living and working in the United States today sould be to go through the steps the law allows and become documented.

    Since these aliens are already here that only makes it easier to find them and get them documented. Those choosing to skip out on this process and are eventually picked up, they’re out of here. Those choosing to go through the process of documentation should be afforded all the protection of the law. Many would qualify and many would not. This sends the message to the yet wanta be illegal aliens not yet in the United States that they too will face the law upon entry or get sent out of here. The pain this may cause some who do not quality is not the issue. The Law is the issue and breaking it has painful consequences.

    Once the law is enforced and doing its job, if reason and common sense shows that the law needs minor modifications to address issues that arises, the Congress can ask the American people about what we think of making those modifications.

    The open borders lobby has no respect for the laws of the Untied States. They are enemies of the United States. Common sense is more valuables then their half-baked socialist experimental theories. They are far out in left field never never land and I will contest them any time and any place where they enter the arena of ideas for discussion/debate.

    As for some of the other things you said, it sounds to me like a couple of other people that have posted here would accuse you of "xenophobia" if you equated illegal immigration with terrorism.

    If I did not make myself clear before let me do so now. Illegal immigration and terrorism are two different threats to the United States citizens and their system of government and both require border security. Now that that is clear, I don’t give a rat’s ass who calls me what. They can spin their heads as far up their dark moist warm chasm as they want for all I care.

    Everything else you said ALL comes back to the Law

  • 31 - REMF

    Nov 26, 2007 at 9:08 pm

    "Frankly, I've never been a great speller and it bothers me not one whit."
    - Dave Nalle, Nov. 23, 2007

    "Since you can't even spell 'miscegenation' properly, perhaps some black genes in your ancestry would have made you MORE intelligent."
    - Dave Nalle, Nov. 26, 2007

  • 32 - Dr Dreadful

    Nov 26, 2007 at 9:11 pm

    Oh, come off it, RJ.

    Pat Buchanan and Tom Tancredo are "pure evil" ???

    They're individuals, not groups.

    VDARE and Numbers USA are "pure evil" ???

    VDARE certainly is. I'll give you Numbers for now - I'm reserving judgment on them.

    But you know exactly what Dave is talking about. Stop pretending otherwise just to save face. It ain't working.

  • 33 - Franco

    Nov 26, 2007 at 9:19 pm

    Dave, I have to agree with RJ about Pat Buchanan and Tom Tancredo. I know you have issues with the Religious Right in most cases, but they are not the same as the others being pointed out in this opinion piece. I'm not asking you to convert, just cut them a little more respect within the context that we can't allow for the othes. Their not the same.

    You have to admit though his comment on the moonbat debating handbook was pretty funny.

  • 34 - RJ

    Nov 26, 2007 at 10:25 pm

    "The open borders lobby has no respect for the laws of the Untied States. They are enemies of the United States. Common sense is more valuables then their half-baked socialist experimental theories. They are far out in left field never never land and I will contest them any time and any place where they enter the arena of ideas for discussion/debate."

    Amen.

  • 35 - RJ

    Nov 26, 2007 at 10:31 pm

    Pat Buchanan and Tom Tancredo are "pure evil" ???

    "They're individuals, not groups."

    Individuals smeared by this article.

    VDARE and Numbers USA are "pure evil" ???

    "VDARE certainly is."

    How so? Because it's a group opposed to illegal immigration? Because you disagree with their politics? Have they incited any riots, or conspired to murder anyone? You seem to throw the word "evil" around rather...liberally...

    "I'll give you Numbers for now - I'm reserving judgment on them."

    That's mighty big of you...

  • 36 - Dr Dreadful

    Nov 26, 2007 at 10:58 pm

    RJ

    Dave clearly stated: All of the groups mentioned are extremist, racist and pure evil. [my emphasis]

    He was NOT saying that Buchanan and Tancredo are evil.

    As for VDARE, one look at their homepage makes it abundantly clear what their agenda is, and it ain't pretty.

  • 37 - Clavos

    Nov 26, 2007 at 11:24 pm

    "Tom Tancredo [is] "pure evil" ???"

    As a resident of what he calls the "third world" city of Miami, and as a dual citizen of both the USA and Mexico (and a conservative Libertarian), I most emphatically say YES, Tom Tancredo is not only evil, he is vile.

    His contempt and hatred for Latinos (NOT just "illegals") is evident in practically all of his speeches and activities in Congress.

  • 38 - Stephen R. Maloney

    Nov 26, 2007 at 11:38 pm

    Cindy: I'll reply at some length tomorrow, since you don't seem to be getting "enough" responses. I think at times the SPLC overstates its case, but it's generally much more right than wrong. I have been absolutely amazed at the racist comments on Townhall and RedState about immigrants. The reality of the situation is this: if we were fathers and mothers in Mexico with no hope and children with no future, we would cross the border in a "Texas moment." Does anyone, even Buddy Witherspoon and the dubious Mr. Epstein deny this? Does Tom Tancredo, a truly despicable man, deny it? Immigrants, illegal and legal, are not evil people. They do not come from countries, as the notable HeartlandPatriot called them, are cesspools. They're poor. I seem to remember that Jesus and his followers seemed to be very poor by our standards. As I said in my new blog (smartpolitics101.blogspot.com), we Republicans are setting ourselves to lose California, Colorado, Nevad, Arizona, and probably Florida. The Council of Conservative Citizens is really a slightly less tacky version of the old White Citizens Council. The Republican Party is self-destructing before her widened eyes.

  • 39 - Franco

    Nov 27, 2007 at 12:13 am

    Clavos, it appears you are right about Tom Tancredo.

    I had not studied him enough to see the differance. I used to think his hatred was directed at what illegal aliens (un-docutmented) people are doing in draining our system not a hate for Latinos as people. But the more I study both his supporters and critics, he looks to be a racist.

  • 40 - Clavos

    Nov 27, 2007 at 12:21 am

    The remark about Miami, which he made in a campaign speech to elderly voters in Palm Beach county, was what first caught my attention, Franco. When asked by a reporter on that occasion whether he had ever been to Miami, he admitted he never had.

    That's when I started digging. He tries to disguise it as upholding immigration law, but doesn't pull it off; the racism shows through.

    Shame on him. Colorado has a significant number of Mexican residents, both legal Mexican citizens (as well as illegals, of course) and American citizens (born and naturalized) of Mexican descent.

    He does a poor job of representing them.

  • 41 - Dave Nalle

    Nov 27, 2007 at 12:45 am

    Dave, I have to agree with RJ about Pat Buchanan and Tom Tancredo.

    I'm no fan of Tancredo, but I agree that he's not a racist. Well, I think that he IS a racist, but just the garden variety kind you meet every day who harbors some prejudices and tries to overcome them. He's not a white supremacist, certainly.

    As for Buchanan, I think he's a raging idiot, but I agree he's not a racist - even less so than Tancredo.

    But here's where i think they do fit in. They're both people who are willing to profit from racism. They'll take support wherever they can get it, and if that means pandering to the REAL racists for political advantage, they'll do it. I'd reluctantly put Ron Paul in the same boat for pandering to equally dangerous extremists like the truthers.

    dave

  • 42 - El Bicho

    Nov 27, 2007 at 8:34 pm

    "Since you can't even spell 'miscegenation' properly"

    Unlike you, Dave, he can't go back into the system and edit his comments.

  • 43 - Franco

    Nov 27, 2007 at 9:06 pm

    Clavos, do you think there is an orginzed plane by Latinos to take over the lower half of the Untied States.

  • 44 - troll

    Nov 27, 2007 at 9:28 pm

    Insha'Allah - weren't they promised a right of return

    ......oh wait - where am I - ?

  • 45 - Dr Dreadful

    Nov 27, 2007 at 9:32 pm

    Clavos, do you think there is an orginzed plane by Latinos to take over the lower half of the Untied States.

    I flew on an orginzed plane once. In fact, it was hand-orginzed by seven ladies from Jalisco in green and yellow goat's wool, and very fetching it looked. Unfortunately we never made it to the Untied States owing to a lack of doilies on board. We had to make an emergency landing in Florifornirado, a Tied State, and could not continue on because the captain, distracted by his intense study of macrame, failed to file a flight plan.

  • 46 - Dave Nalle

    Nov 27, 2007 at 9:33 pm

    Unlike you, Dave, he can't go back into the system and edit his comments.

    True enough, but with a word which is clearly central to his worldview you'd think he'd be a little more competent.

    Dave

  • 47 - STM

    Nov 27, 2007 at 9:36 pm

    Dave, are you there??

    I have a story in pending. Sorry for getting you here, but I can't get on to the blogcritics users group. I would appreciate if you could file it under the moniker (byline) of silver surfer. I don't know how to do this on the site, but would like to change it. Tks.

  • 48 - livefree

    Nov 27, 2007 at 9:45 pm

    All races deserve a homeland and a future for their people. To be proud of one's race and pray for its continued existence is not racists.just good moral character. The "one race,one world order" philosophy is the true extreme.

  • 49 - STM

    Nov 27, 2007 at 9:47 pm

    If you can't, no problem

  • 50 - Clavos

    Nov 27, 2007 at 9:48 pm

    Doc,

    You have the funniest and most creative sense of humor on the site. Always a treat to see yer stuff.

    You should write a satirical article or two. Really.

    Franco #43:

    In a word, no.

    That they are congregating primarily (though far from exclusively) in southern states is, I think, due primarily to two things:

    First, they are coming from the south and therefore are more inclined to settle where they arrive (Chicago, with its longstanding substantial Mexican population is a notable exception).

    Second, ALL immigrants tend to congregate together when they arrive. Witness all the Little Italys, Chinatowns, and Germantowns in various cities around the country; the heavy preponderance of Scandinavians in the northern Midwest, etc.

    Someone inevitably will bring up the Reconquista and Mecha nutcases. That's exactly what they are, nutcases. They do not represent the great majority of Latinos, who, like the mass immigrant groups before them, only come here to achieve a better life for themselves and their children than they could aspire to back home.

  • 51 - STM

    Nov 27, 2007 at 11:55 pm

    Dave, I've managed to do it. Cheers

  • 52 - RJ

    Nov 28, 2007 at 1:17 am

    Re: #37

    Clavos, I understand you dislike Congressman Tancredo, and that's fine. But I think "evil" (as in Stalin, Pol Pot, Satan, etc.) is a bit much, though.

    As for his comments about Miami, they were certainly politically-incorrect. But as you yourself have stated on this website, the majority of the population of Miami-Dade County doesn't speak English as a first language. There is a whole different kind of culture down there. Spanish-speakers are such a large majority that there is little reason for many residents to ever become fluent in the English language.

    Most Americans would not consider this a positive development. Now, I believe calling it a "Third World cesspit" or whatever is a bit much, but his point (as I understand it) is that the residents down there are not assimilating. They aren't being encouraged to become "American;" instead, they seem to rather enjoy the "international" flavor of the city.

    If that sort of thing was contained to just Miami, Hialeah, etc. I don't think too many people would particularly mind. The concern, however, is that large portions of the American Southwest (including Southern California) are going to turn into something other than "American" in the very near future, thanks to endless and unchecked illegal immigration. And, whether it bothers you or not, it definitely bothers a majority of Americans. (And there are a number of reasons for that, including perfectly valid economic reasons.)

    You know I like and respect you, Clavos. And I'm not going to pretend that I'm capable of changing your mind on this issue with a friggin' blog comment. But I just wish that pro-amnesty types could at least attempt to view things from the perspective of those who disagree with them on this issue, and not simply dismiss them as "evil" and "racist" and all the rest.

  • 53 - Dr Dreadful

    Nov 28, 2007 at 2:20 am

    #50: Thanks for the kind words, Clav. And I promise I wasn't under the influence of anything more heinous than coffee!

    I hope Franco isn't too offended that I made fun of his spelling...

    It does bum me out that I haven't been able to write anything for the site recently. Too much else happening - and the couple of ideas I've had didn't end up going anywhere. Unlike some contributors on this site, I do have the ability to recognize when what I'm writing is bollocks!

    Finals next week, and then a trip back home to Blighty the week after that. Perhaps after I get back there'll be time to do some scrivening.

  • 54 - STM

    Nov 28, 2007 at 2:41 am

    Scrivening??

  • 55 - Dr Dreadful

    Nov 28, 2007 at 2:42 am

    All races deserve a homeland and a future for their people.

    I'm a British national with Anglo-Saxon, Viking, Welsh and French ancestors. I'm married to an American citizen of combined Nicaraguan, Puerto Rican, Spanish, French and Swiss-German descent.

    So tell me: where exactly would our "homeland" be and who'd be living there with us?

  • 56 - Dr Dreadful

    Nov 28, 2007 at 2:43 am

    Scrivening?

    I'd explain. But I would prefer not to.

    ;-)

  • 57 - Clavos

    Nov 28, 2007 at 7:19 am

    Rj,

    Thanks for your comment #52; I appreciate the tone of your disagreement very much; to the point, in fact that I withdraw the "evil" characterization of Tancredo. You're right, that was over the top.

    However, I stand by my allegation that I think he's a racist. As I mentioned previously, he cloaks his words in the rhetoric of "legality," but to me (and to most Latinos) it's obvious that he has a visceral dislike of a group which actually is a significant part of his constituency.

    As to his (and to a lesser degree, your) characterization of Miami: I've been here long enough to remember Miami as a backwater, podunk town dying on the economic vine. With the arrival in 1960 and beyond of the Cubans first, and other immigrants later (not all of whom are Latinos), Miami has become a prosperous, booming town, with, among other things, a thriving banking industry (most of LatAm's money is parked here), the world's largest cruise port and one of America's top cargo ports (the cargo largely of LatAm origin/destination), a thriving tourism industry (LatAm and European), more jobs at all levels than we can fill with locals, etc., etc.

    And, even with the current financial problems at a national level, Miami and South Florida continue to thrive and survive much better than the rest of the nation; this year's tourist season is already a record-setter, with a month (the biggest month) yet to go.

    As to assimilation, RJ: remember that more than half our population is foreign born. Historically, few of the first generation immigrants of any ethnic/national group assimilate much; hence all the ethnic enclaves in our cities I mentioned above.

    I live here, RJ. I have met, over the years hundreds (maybe even thousands) of Latino youngsters raised (and often born) here who have assimilated with no qualms at all. English is their first language to the point that many speak little, if any Spanish and mangle what they do know.

    Finally, I appreciate your kind words about me. likewise, I respect (and often agree) with you as well.

    I do take exception to one comment of yours, however; I AM in favor of immigration, but am NOT a "pro-amnesty type;" I, in fact, do NOT favor giving illegal immigrants anything more than a legal, tax-paying status as guest workers-ever. For the illegals only; no deportation, as long as they register and pay taxes, but NO citizenship--ever. Period.

    Even if they have anchor babies, I don't advocate giving parents citizenship, but do believe that as long as they are productive, taxpaying workers in our society, they should be allowed to stay as registered temporary residents until their children attain their majority, at least.

    OK. Once again, "evil" WAS over the top, but Tancredo (a man with a foreign surname!!) is, in my book, definitely unAmerican and a dishonest Congressman, at the very least.

  • 58 - Andy Marsh

    Nov 28, 2007 at 7:57 am

    The one thing I noticed here is that it's quite obvious who approved this for publication...the little blurb that's used to introduce the piece uses the word nativist....only one guy around here uses that word repeatedly and that's Dave. And since the word isn't used in the piece even once, I can only assume that you did it Dave....didn't you???

    Dave, you're getting as bad as MCH on some things. Now nativist and white supremecist are one in the same?

  • 59 - Rob

    Nov 28, 2007 at 8:21 am

    Get rid of Grahamnisty, close the borders and make America safe for white people again.

  • 60 - Dave Nalle

    Nov 28, 2007 at 9:54 am

    OMG Andy, I did write the blurb. My apologies for the soft sell.

    So tell me: where exactly would our "homeland" be and who'd be living there with us?

    The US, Dr. D. A homeland for mongrels of all kinds.

    Dave

  • 61 - Andy Marsh

    Nov 28, 2007 at 11:08 am

    Clavos - don't most of us in the US have foreign surnames? I mean, unless your last name is Greateagle or something along those lines, most of us got our names from some other part of the world...no? Other than that, I like everything you said in #57. The only question I have is, how do we find the folks here illegally to give them this guest worker status that you speak of...and, once they're here in a guest worker status shouldn't they have the opportunity to apply for citizenship and maybe even be given a slightly less convoluted process to get there as a thank you for working their butts off in our country?

    As I've stated before, I'm in no way against immigration...I'm a mutt big time, my blood has more different nationalities in it than I can count! What I'm against is people sneaking through the desert or whatever to get here and not being accounted for once they do get in.

    One last thing, do you have any knowledge of Cubans getting special treatment once they get their feet on American soil? It's my understanding, talking with CG in KW that they get a check if they make it, that's why they keep trying all the time. Coasties tell me when they catch some of the "boat people" the last thing they say before they depart the CG vessel is, see you in a couple of weeks...not sure if they say it in english or spanish though...

  • 62 - Clavos

    Nov 28, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    Andy asks,

    "Clavos - don't most of us in the US have foreign surnames?"

    Of course, Andy (in my case even my first name is foreign-Swedish). I mentioned it in Tancredo's case only because HE seems to have lost sight of that fact when he outlines his stance on the immigration issue.

    "and, once they're here in a guest worker status shouldn't they have the opportunity to apply for citizenship and maybe even be given a slightly less convoluted process to get there as a thank you for working their butts off in our country?"

    Props to you, Andy. That's a typically kind and quintessentially American inclusive way of thinking.

    The chief reason I don't think those who have already come illegally should ever be offered anything more than guest worker status is that, as we learned the last time around, offering any sort of amnesty which includes citizenship sends absolutely the wrong message to all the rest of the world, and only tends to exacerbate our problems in that regard.

    "talking with CG in KW that they get a check if they make it, that's why they keep trying all the time. Coasties tell me when they catch some of the "boat people" the last thing they say before they depart the CG vessel is, see you in a couple of weeks...not sure if they say it in english or spanish though..."

    Though there were "matching grant" programs for ALL asylum-seeking refugees, regardless of nationality, during the eighties and nineties, to my knowledge there are no such programs at this time. In any case, they were NEVER just for Cubans, or any other single group, and they were fairly nominal ( a max of $1,000.00 per refugee, plus a $500.00 matching grant from participating NGOs). There may still be NGOs (the Cuban-American National Foundation, for example) which are helping out Cubans with funds, but they would be private, not government, programs.

    The one "favored" status the Cubans DO have, and continue to enjoy, is commonly referred to as the "wet foot/dry foot" policy, wherein Cubans who make it ashore on US territory are automatically eligible for asylum. NO other nationality, including Haitians, is afforded that privilege.

    That difference in treatment is strongly resented by Haitians, who consider that their reasons for coming here are just as dire as those of the Cubans.

  • 63 - Andy Marsh

    Nov 28, 2007 at 3:54 pm

    The reason that I bought up that deal about a fast track kind of thing is because, here in Va Beach and my years in the navy I spent a lot of time with Philipinos. The houses on either side of me, 13 feet away, each of them, are owned by Philipinos. I believe they used to get a fast track kind of deal for serving in the military. I'm not sure if that's still the case or not..

    But I do understand where you're coming from...although, I wasn't necessarily talking about an amnesty program...but I guess that's the way it would be spun...

    I think the US govt does that with Cubans just to piss off Castro!

    I had heard that the amount was much higher than you stated, but I haven't been able to find anything about it anywhere, one way or the other. Must be one of those urban legend things running aorund the CG...

  • 64 - Clavos

    Nov 28, 2007 at 4:10 pm

    "I believe they used to get a fast track kind of deal for serving in the military. I'm not sure if that's still the case or not.."

    They did, and I believe still do. I think it's offered to ANY foreigner who serves (honorably) in the US military, however.

  • 65 - Andy Marsh

    Nov 28, 2007 at 10:12 pm

    You're right about any foreigner...I didn't mean to imply, just that there are a recognizably large group of Philipinos in the navy is all...

    The thing is they do seem to assimilate...participate in the democratic process and are pretty good at it too...I'm talking about most of the people that come here the right way...

  • 66 - STM

    Nov 28, 2007 at 10:51 pm

    Yes, if I join the US armed forces, as some of my countrymen have done, I get a fast-track deal to citizenship. That is now possible without losing Aussie citizenship, as all Americans and Aussies can now have both (is that an indication of how similar we are?)

    But Clav is absolutely right.

    One of the great and best-known heroes of the Vietnam war was an Englishman who had joined the US Army - Rick Rescorla, from Cornwall. He also received a posthumous gallantry award for saving 2,700 people on 9/11, escorting people out of one of the buildings, but died in the collapse. His body was never found.

    He had joined the British Army in 1957, serving as a paratrooper with the Red Devils (Parachute Regiment) in Cyprus and later travelled to the US from the UK in the 1960s as a young man with another former British serviceman who had served in Africa - specifically to join up in the US military.

    Rescorla remained a proud Cornishman, but died a US Citizen and I believe has a memorial at Arlington.

    Mel Gibson's We were Soldiers Once and Young, about the battle of Ia Drang, is based on the true story of Rescorla.

  • 67 - RJ

    Nov 28, 2007 at 10:56 pm

    I do take exception to one comment of yours, however; I AM in favor of immigration, but am NOT a "pro-amnesty type;" I, in fact, do NOT favor giving illegal immigrants anything more than a legal, tax-paying status as guest workers-ever. For the illegals only; no deportation, as long as they register and pay taxes, but NO citizenship--ever. Period.

    Even if they have anchor babies, I don't advocate giving parents citizenship, but do believe that as long as they are productive, taxpaying workers in our society, they should be allowed to stay as registered temporary residents until their children attain their majority, at least.


    Fair enough. I'm not in 100% agreement, but that's certainly reasonable. (And am I correct in guessing that you too were opposed to the Bush-McCain-Kennedy immigration "reform" proposal?)

    As for me, I have no problem with a limited number of LEGAL immigrants entering this country every year. And a limited guest worker program would be fine, as long as the government can actually keep track of all these people (which I frankly find unlikely). Also, I don't believe that every single illegal immigrant needs to be rounded up and deported (although those who have committed crimes should be given a one-way ticket back to Veracruz, and I believe many would self-deport if certain laws were passed). And, like you, I do not believe that citizenship should be granted to the parents of "anchor" babies (and this is a real phenomenon; I've seen it happen).

    But I sure as hell want to make sure that the border is secured in such a way that we never again have to deal with millions of illegal immigrants "living in the shadows" at some point in the future. You'll never be able to stop ALL illegal immigration into this country, but we could certainly stop the vast majority of it, if the federal government was seriously interested in doing so. Sadly, they aren't.

  • 68 - troll

    Nov 29, 2007 at 7:05 am

    nationalism is the pcp of the masses

    porqué fronteras

  • 69 - Franco

    Nov 29, 2007 at 5:15 pm

    #67 " RJ

    You'll never be able to stop ALL illegal immigration into this country, but we could certainly stop the vast majority of it, if the federal government was seriously interested in doing so. Sadly, they aren't.

    I know, but why won't they? What are some of the primary reasons?
    .

  • 70 - RJ

    Nov 29, 2007 at 7:22 pm

    #69 - Franco:

    I think it's basically a long-term political strategy. Hispanics are the largest minority group in the United States, and unlike Blacks they do not vote overwhelmingly for one party (yet). So both the GOP and the Dems are trying desperately to appeal to (or pander to) this large (and growing) swing voting bloc.

    There are other issues as well. Dems love it when illegals vote (they arguably won at least one relatively-recent Congressional race thanks to illegal immigrant voters, and Democrats usually oppose any measures that require proof of residency and/or citizenship on Election Day). And the GOP is backed by businesses who benefit from cheap, illegal immigrant labor, so Republicans are often more than happy to look the other way.

    So both parties have their reasons for ignoring the will of the people. Congress has passed, and the President has signed, legislation authorizing the building of a fence across 700 miles of the US-Mexico border. That became law over a year ago. Guess how many miles have actually been built? Five. That's right, FIVE. At this rate, they will have completed this project sometime around then year 2147.

    In other words, they aren't serious about this issue. In other words, the American people do not trust these bastards (from either party) on this issue anymore. And for good reason.

  • 71 - Clavos

    Nov 29, 2007 at 7:42 pm

    Adding to RJ's points in #70:

    The Mexican government wants it to continue, as well. Emigration helps them reduce unemployment problems and strains on their Social Security system, the money sent home by Mexicans in the US is their second largest source (after oil) of foreign revenue.

    I believe that both governments have gone so far as to collude to continue the situation in the recent past. I have no proof, but I absolutely believe it.

  • 72 - Zedd

    Nov 29, 2007 at 8:26 pm

    Gentlemen, can we start here.

    WHAT IS A RACE?

    Parameters please?

    St. Louis CofCC Blogmeister you go first.

  • 73 - Zedd

    Nov 29, 2007 at 8:54 pm

    Troll,

    On your comment about nationalism. I think that we as human beings are designed to look for similarity. If you look across a stadium and find one red shirt, you will automatically look for everyone that is wearing a red shirt in the stands. We like order. Diversity is relinquishing to a form a chaos. Allowing different people to co-mingle is scary. We even bond based on silly things like football teams. (Go Cowboys!!!.. Dallas vs Green Bay tonight!!!).

    These bonds however silly they may be cause us to want to take care of one another. Feeling kinship makes us less likely to hurt one another. I guess to some extent we are self consumed as well. The more someone is like us, the more likely we are to empathize with them.

    Places like London do a phenomenal job of being cosmopolitan (although they have their fair share of racists and weirdos). I would suggest that they are more accepting of difference partly because of there being an unattainable "norm" which is royalty, that everyone knows cant be disturbed. However if it was thought that a "Packi" could be king, I don't think that the English would be so well adjusted. I do think that the notion of The Empire allows for bonding of different cultures. There must be a sort of benevolence (mentally off course) extended towards the darkies.

    Anyway lost my train of thought daughter asked how to spell "fillet mignon".

  • 74 - Franco

    Nov 29, 2007 at 9:13 pm

    RJ, Clavos, OK. So is there anything that can be done about it and what would that be.

    I talking about people doing something about it who are not racist and welcome immagrants into the US when they enter legally through the Laws of the US.

  • 75 - Clavos

    Nov 29, 2007 at 9:22 pm

    This is too easy...

    "...daughter asked how to spell "fillet mignon."

    That's not it. It's filet mignon.

    Poor kid.

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