I recently received a hysterical email from someone on a mailing list I subscribe to, ranting and raving about the dangers of the Global Poverty Act, which was authored by Barack Obama and which is currently up for consideration by the Senate. Apparently, it's also being spammed all over the internet, even on craigslist. While I agree that any program which could potentially send a great amount of US taxpayer money overseas ought to be opposed on principle, what troubles me about the email I was sent is that it is chock-full of blatant lies about the content of the act.
I should have known something was fishy when I saw a link at the end of the email to infowars.com. I suspect that that site, or one of the many associated conspiracy fringe sites, is where the text of the message originated, despite its attempt to establish some legitimacy with conservatives by referencing citizensunited.org, which is run by the very conservative but relatively respectable documentarian, David Bossie, who is closely associated with Newt Gingrich.
The style of fearmongering seems much more characteristic of the Alex Jones fringe than anything more mainstream, when it claims that the bill will result in the implementation of the following benchmarks in Obama's presumed plan for UN domination of the US:
• The creation of a U.N. International Criminal Court having the power to try and convict American citizens and soldiers without any protection from the U.S. Constitution.• A standing United Nations Army forcing U.S. soldiers to serve under U.N. command.
• A Gun Ban on all small arms and light weapons --which would repeal our Second Amendment right to bear arms.
• The ratification of the Kyoto global warming treaty and numerous other anti-American measures.
The problem with these supposed benchmarks is that they do not actually exist anywhere in the bill. While Obama may believe in some of these things, he's certainly never publicly endorsed them, and they are absolutely not included in the bill. If you read the text of the bill, which is linked at the start of this article, it says not one word about giving up US sovereignty to the international criminal court, a UN army, a gun ban or the Kyoto treaty. Those are all terrible ideas which I would certainly oppose, but they are just not in this bill at all.
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— go to most recent comments1 - Baronius
Dave, if it weren't for you I never would have heard of Alex Jones. I wonder what else I don't know about, and more importantly, why the New World Order is trying to keep it from me.
2 - Dave Nalle
Sorry, Baronius. I wish I could have spared you any Jones exposure, but isn't it better to know, no matter how painful?
Dave
3 - pablo
Don't worry Baronius the programming has worked very effectively on you, and of course you would be the very last one to know it as evidenced by the fact that other than Dave you had absolutely no idea of who Mr. Jones is. For the record why don't you alexa his site, you just might be surprised at how popular he is in fact.
His alexa rankings make this blog site look uhhh rather puny by comparison. In fact why don't you take your favorite political commentator on the web and see how their alexa rankings stack up against Jones's.
The site is infowars.com in case you didn't know Baronius. The programming isn't really your fault as it started when you were a child, and continues to this day unabated. Wake up and smell the New World Order, as your about to be crushed by it. Have fun! :)
4 - Baronius
But what if now THEY think I know too much?
5 - Dave Nalle
why don't you alexa his site, you just might be
surprisedhorrified (and dismayed at the failure of our education system) at how popular he is in fact.There, I fixed it for you, Pablo.
Dave
6 - Dave Nalle
Oh, and for the record, Technorati has a much more reliable ranking system than Alexa, and they rank this site somewhat above infowars.com, with a rank of 1069 to 1126. For comparison, top political site Politico has a ranking of 4, Huffington Post has a ranking of 1 and DailyKos has a ranking of 7. We really ought to be ranked higher. Something for us to work on.
Dave
7 - pablo
Oh and Baronius?
If you pay close attention to Nalle's rant, you will find that he very craftily in his smarmy smearing way tries to link Jones with the email rant that he does not disclose. Although Jones himself is against the bill, that is not my point.
Nalle attempts to link untruths to Jones and he has done it on this blog site on a a continual basis for months. After all smearing and smarmyness are the tools of his trade and is intended for the conditioned (brainwashed)reader.
I recall another article that Nalle did about Jones months ago where he attempted to link some hysterical hiterlish maniac to Jones in a video, for no other reason than smear, the young bloke was no way connected to Jones, or endorsed by him, all the maniac had to say was that he was a fan, thus the linking.
I have NEVER heard or read Jones endorsing racism, sexism, totalitarianism against any group or individual class of folks. What he does do on a regular basis is rant, sometimes hysterically about the ruling elite that Clavos so lovingly embraces. You know the same ones that are currently fleecing the US Treasury of not 750 billion dollars but more like 7 trillion, and are getting away with it scot free. He talk about stuff like the military industrial complex that Eisenhower so wisely warned us about over 50 years ago, and of how the real people running the US are criminals of the worst order, something which I happen to agree with him about. Oh and one other thing Mr. Jones is for all intents and purposes the father of the 9/11 truth movement, those folks that want a complete independent investigation into the events of 9/11, instead of the kangaroo one run by the CFR minions that was originally supposed to have Dr. Strangelove Kissinger (CFR/Bilderberg/Trilataralist/Pilgrims Society)as its head.
Some people will believe ANYTHING, particularly when fed from above by the ruling criminal elite.
Dave acts as one of their propagandists on a continual basis, being as it is in his blood.
The conditioning is very effective Baronius, and the antidote is hard to come by. Try 1000 micrograms of acid buddy, oops sorry thats not available anymore. Better yet turn off your TV take a deep breath and say OHMMMM for a few years, it just might work! Good luck Baronius cuz your gonna need it, anything I can do to help, well I am here, and believe it or not I am actually a nice fella, and will do what I can to open your mind.
8 - pablo
Interesting Nalle instead of using your own words you choose to change mine. How utterly uninspiring and shows the kind of class act you really are. :)
Gettin desperate are we? Sorry your boy lost the election (McCain not Barr), aside from what you may say about having voted for Barr your hundreds of endorsements, and defense of him (McCain)speak for themselves. But not to worry Nalle, both of those twits work for the same guys (Rothschilds, Rockefellers, JP Morgan Chase CFR ruling elite banksters that are at the moment trying their best to tear apart the land of your birth, and doing it quite effectively I might add. I doubt you care however given your Dulles brothers past. Enjoy its your brave new world too Davey. :)
9 - pablo
Don't worry Baronius I assure you that they don't think you know too much. Your political critiques speak for themselves.
10 - Dave Nalle
Pablo, the bankers are trying to tear Lebanon apart? First I heard of it. I thought the Iranians, Syrians and Israelis had that job.
Dave
11 - pablo
I guess if I spammed an email and linked it to idiotwars.com (how are your stats doing nalle?) at the bottom of the email then that would be legitimate too eh Nalle?
Kinda reminds me of how you called me a Nazi for linking to a New York Times article that happened to be on a hate site, that I found by googling the subject matter. Link by smear by Dave Nalle. you may fool your ignorant buddies Nalle, but you have never got one by me pal. You like most others of your ilk are your own worst enemy, try decent honest debate sometime you might do better, but I doubt it.
12 - Baronius
Pablo, that "knowing too much" comment was a reply to Dave's post, not yours. But since I was making fun of your beliefs, it's fair game for you to use it against me.
My system's running very slowly right now. I'll try to reply later.
13 - pablo
Nalle #10
Nice try at being cute, but thats your bosom buddy Clavos's job, you suck at it.
14 - pablo
Oh and Nalle?
I can just see you now being the kind of guy you are and having access probably to log files trying to access the ip address of the country that I may have ex-patriated to. That's rather petty man, surely you have other things to do with your precious time. Try coming over to the side of light and love, instead of being a minion for darkness and oppression, under the guise of libertarianism, your heart will feel better I swear.
15 - pablo
And if you were born in Lebanon its more than likely that your dad was CIA station chief there, or perhaps of a more subordinate class. In either case it speaks for itself. The National Security Act of 1947 was nothing more than the police state apparati asserting itself in legalese, ohhh thats right it was created to protect us from the evil commies that JP Morgan and company created. hehehehe, sure davey.
16 - pablo
Nalle #6
Nice try Nalle, technorati's ranking system is for blogs not bonafide websites, which are fundamentally different. You could make a spurious claim that infowars.com is a blog site, however alexa ranks sites as sites, blog or not, and in that context much more accurate.
17 - Ruvy
Pablo,
Were it not for Dave, I'd have never heard of Alex Jones either. But I get the feeling that Dave stuck a needle in someone you admire, and that's what's got you going so.
On the other hand, I don't expect that a whole lot of you have heard of Barry Chamish, where I learned all about the wonders of the CFR and their friends and relations world-wide.
Sorry if I do not seem too concerned about global poverty and the bills that Obama supports or doesn't support. Between Mumbai and Hebron, I have other fish to fry.
Dave, did you provide a link to that bill, BTW?
18 - Baronius
Eh.
You know what, Pablo? I was going to offer some analysis, but I checked out the infowars site, and now I've got nothing to say. If you want to believe that stuff, there's nothing I can say that will change your mind. It was just so predictable and sort of sad. There's even a section entitled "Ron Paul on the Rise", which says something about their trend-spotting capability.
19 - pablo
And as to the Alexa ranking for both sites in question infowars is at 5910 and blogcritics 10,326
Taking into account that blogcritics has a vast array of subject matters from entertainment to politics to technology to music, it comes up rather short in comparison to Jones's site, which only has politics as its subject matter.
20 - pablo
Ruvy,
google site:infowars.com barry chamish
20 articles about Mr Chamish who I am very familiar with on Jones site.
21 - pablo
Thank you Baronius, you can go back to sleep now, as if you were ever awake. Sad awwww shucks, thanks for the pity, how kind of you. :)
Yes I do choose to believe what I want as you do with all of your republican ilk. I will say this however, most of the others of your ilk, being of the right wing variety are much more overtly hostile than you, which is another way of me saying that I find most of them rather mean-sprited AND ignorant, while I do find you a pleasant sort of fellow and usually even tempered, to your credit I might add. But hey thanks again for the sympathy Baronius. :)
22 - pablo
Oh and Baronius as for ill founded beliefs let me give you a few that many in your party subscribe to.
The president can start a war. WRONG
It is ok to overthrow other sovereign nations through subterfuge, guile, murder and torture. WRONG
It is ok to categorize a US citizen as an ememy combatant and detain her/him without criminal indictment. WRONG
It is ok to wiretap american citizens without warrant WRONG
It is ok to create free speech zones in Amerika. WRONG
It is ok to deprive someone of their property by seizure without being convicted of a crime. WRONG
I could go on all fucking day, so if you want to have a discussion on erroneous beliefs Baronius be my guest!
23 - pablo
And all of those above beliefs that are so characteristic of YOUR grand ole party Baronius I term tolatitarian, un american, and fascist buddy, how bout you?
24 - pablo
Ruvy #17
"Pablo,
Were it not for Dave, I'd have never heard of Alex Jones either. But I get the feeling that Dave stuck a needle in someone you admire, and that's what's got you going so."
Nope thats not it at all Ruvy. What got me going on Nalle is his cheap shots, as in calling me a nazi, which I am not. Then when called out on it he said show me where I said that and I will apologize, which I did, and then he came back and didn't apologize. So when a man insults me publicly as he did, and is not only not man enough to own up to it, then goes back on his public word about apologizing, I will call a spade a spade.
25 - Matthew T. Sussman
"And as to the Alexa ranking for both sites in question infowars is at 5910 and blogcritics 10,326"
Most days that's true. Today that's not the case -- BC has a higher Alexa rating today than Inforwars, in fact.
Also:
Infowars.com PageRank: 6/10
Blogcritics.org PageRank: 7/10
Clearly Google is part of the conspiracy too.
On top of that, both BC and Inforwars are severely trumped in traffic/Alexa rankings by PerezHilton.com, which must mean that it is the superior website and we should all draw MS Paint captions on celebrity photos to achieve world peace.