And here you thought all the terrorists were dead or being hunted down. Apparently some of the few remaining terrorists in Iraq and their international socialist pals are keeping hope alive at a www.uruknet.info. It's got all the latest on their stirring victories - blowing up civilians, kidnapping diplomats, assassinating civil servants and burning children alive in refugee camps.
Most interestingly it chronicles the deaths of literally scores of US and Coalition soldiers virtually every day - yet if you check other news sources none of those deaths are recorded anywhere. They're not in any of the major news outlets, not in the papers, not on the TV, not on the newswire, not in the offical body count from the Coalition, not in the independent body count from GlobalSecurity.org - they're not anywhere.
So, what does making up imaginary casualties and fantasy victories over the Great Satan signify? Is it just wishful thinking, or perhaps a form of magic where talking about casualties will make them happen in real life? Or maybe it's a last, desperate effort to be taken seriously as history passes the remaining terrorists and their western socialist allies by.
There's a real echo here of former Saddam's Information Minister - Baghdad Bob - who kept saying the Republican Guard army was winning as US tanks drove by one block away. Totalitarian regimes and terrorist movements can't afford to look like they are failing and these human vipers sure can't acknowledge the substantial and increasing success of Iraq's new government and the US Middle East policy. An admission of failure would never serve the ends of their international socialist allies who fund their website and give them moral support.
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— go to most recent comments1 - RJ
The reality is slowly hitting them.
I was not long ago that these wonderful folks claimed that the January elections simply could not take place. When it did, they claimed a lunatic theocracy would take over. When it didn't, they claimed that one election doesn't mean anything, and that the Islamic fundies would soon take over.
And when THAT doesn't happen, they'll complain about something else.
And, ten years from now, when the Middle East is largely ruled by secular, democratic governments, they will claim it was going to happen anyway, and that Bush merely delayed it, or some such nonsense...
2 - SFC SKI
Do they have a PayPAl donation button, or do their articles have to have an Amazon link?
3 - Marc
Ah... Baghdad Bob. Who could forget these gems:
“Those Iraqi fighters are slapping those gangsters on the face, and then when they flee, they will kick their backsides.”
“God will roast their stomachs in hell at the hands of Iraqis.”
“The Cruise missiles do not frighten anyone. We are catching them like fish in a river. I mean here that over the past two days, we managed to shoot down 196 missiles before they hit their target.”
And my personel favorite:
“I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have started to commit suicide under the walls of Baghdad. We will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly.”
It don't get better than that. He needs to replace that red-headed step child Conan O'Brien
"The Late, Late Show staring Comical Ali!"
4 - MDE
The site is an Italian based news gatherer with a definate 'anti American' point of view. The articles that I read were reposts from sources like yahoo/news, commondreams.org, the Standard...very little origional stuff. I couldn't find much of the truly fantastical writing that is out on other anarchist sites.
There is a paypal button.
As for the Nalle's tone - well, just another example of this brainwashed brainwasher brainwashing other brainwashed brainwashers.
BC is famous for it.
True beleivers of all varieties are awesome.
Mark
5 - Dave Nalle
>>Do they have a PayPAl donation button, or do their articles have to have an Amazon link?<<
They're apparently getitng money through PayPal. PayPal has stopped money to terrorists in some other cases, but it appears to be working here.
>>The site is an Italian based news gatherer with a definate 'anti American' point of view. The articles that I read were reposts from sources like yahoo/news, commondreams.org, the Standard...very little origional stuff. I couldn't find much of the truly fantastical writing that is out on other anarchist sites.<<
Then you were VERY selective in your reading. I read direct reports from the Uruk area - which seems to be their focus - as well as numerous reports fromt he more radical Arab newspapers. All you seem to have seen was selected editorial material, much of which is original or from obvious socialist sources.
If you look at their day by day reports of events which seem not to have been reported anywhere else, the source for every single one of them appears to be http://www.islammemo.cc, which is in Arabic, but at least from the pictures seems to be a pro-terrorist arab language website.
>>As for the Nalle's tone - well, just another example of this brainwashed brainwasher brainwashing other brainwashed brainwashers.<<
Yep, I've been brainwashed into not liking people who murder women and children, kidnap people and hold them for ransom, behead people, torture them, and lie about my country as well. Guess what, not liking terrorists doesn't take brainwashing, it just takes being a reasonable human being. Beleiving this tripe and supporting their outrages even by innaction or by supporting the international socialists who back them requires an inhumanity which is much more characteristic of brainwashing than the common human reaction of repugnance.
Dave
6 - MDE
re:"Then you were VERY selective in your reading"
I just followed the first several links on the homepage that were in English. I'll have to go back and root around for the 'local news'. Looks like a google news searcher to me. The site's connection to babblefish helps. If I am wrong and the site is more complete than I indicated, I stand corrected...I keep looking, but I still find no origional work there. There are links to arabmonitor, contropiano, agi.it/news -
Of interest is that there is no forum connected to the site - no place for open public feedback - just e-mail. (At least, I couldn't find one.) Even the NYT has a forum.
There was no good point in my addressing the tone of the posting. Absolutism is what made America great, after all.
Mark
7 - Georgio
It's no wonder that it's so difficult to have sensible conversations with leftists here in the US who've become infected by the delusional mindset of their international brothers...
Dave your love for calling us lefties only reinforces why we Liberals hate the religious right..oh yes the religious fanatics who have taken over the republican party...oh how do you like being called a religious fanatic becaause that is how we view your party..you will say they are only a miority in your party but the truth is they control your party..you cannot be nominated to run for president unless you go thru them period..so change your name Dave to the RIGHT WING RELIGIOUS FANATIC PARTY ..or for short just the GODS CHOSEN PARTY..but conservative you ain"t...and by the way I have read the El Jazeera site for a year and never read anything in there that was not true..I stay away from Dem slanted sites just as I stay away from Drudge Rush and Fox..they are all full of BULLSHIT just like you...
8 - JR
And here you thought all the terrorists were dead or being hunted down.
Only the most brainless Bush supporters would think that. The rest of us remember seeing Osama bin Laden on TV not six months ago.
9 - Dave Nalle
Georgio, I call you leftists (not 'lefties' usually), because it's a more accurate term than calling most of the American left 'liberals'. Most American leftists are not liberals and have merely taken on that name to borrow a bit of legitimacy.
Just as you're worried that the Republican party has been taken over by religious fanatics, I worry that the Democratic party has been taken over by international socialist fanatics, who have diverted it from its traditions, corrupted its leadership and deceived its members. Just like the Neocons in the Republican party, the moveon.org international socialists are a minority, but they have a disproportionately loud voice and are setting the agenda for the Democrats and dragging the rest of you along with them.
Before you start berating Republicans for being saddled with religious fanatics, perhaps you should clean house in the Democratic party and see if you can purge the socialist fanatis who are dragging you down to hell and oblivion.
Dave
10 - Mark Saleski
please name the "socialist fanatics", since you're so enamoured with dealing in 'facts'.
11 - MDE
...getting a bit side tracked. The question is, is the vilified site really some kind of front for the terrorists as is claimed. Or is it being used by a blogger to cast a conspiratorial net?
I'm not seeing it.
Mark
12 - Dave Nalle
You want their individual names? Ok, here we go:
George Soros (eastern european robber baron who uses quasi-socialism to enable emerging governments to sell him economic assets in their countries which he uses as the source of the vast fortune which he has dedicated to buying control of the US government)
Joan Blades (co-founder of moveon.org, formerly involved in socialist activism through the web)
Wes Boyd (co-founder of moveon.org, formerly involved in socialist activism through the web)
Jehmu Greene (founder of rock the vote, former socialist activist here in Austin)
Medea Benjamin (Head of the Progressive Democratic Alliance, a socialist group closely tied to moveon.org)
These folks are all disciples of the late Michael Harrington who initiated a movement to try to mainstream socialism and infiltrate it into the Democratic party. Moveon.org became one of the main vehicles for accomplishing this.
There are lots more who could be named, but these are some of the most obvious.
Dave
13 - MDE
re:"You want their individual names? Ok, here we go:"
Methinks that this is where Nalle wanted to go with his posting in the first place. So why didn't he?
Mark
14 - Dave Nalle
Actually, it wasn't my intention at all, MDE. I never expected it to go this direction. If I wanted to talk about the various socialists involved in infiltrating the Democratic party I'd write an actual article on it. And maybe I will. Unfortunately I can't find the archival copy I made about 5 years ago of the moveon.org web page before they really hit it big. It had explicit information which showed the connections between moveon.org and various socialist organizations and listing the socialist bonafides of variious moveon.org personnel. When it first started out moveon.org was a project of several socialist groups, whcih it quickly separated from in a move towards political legitimacy in the aftermath of the election of 2000.
What I really wanted to get at with this article was the disinformation being spread by pro-terrorist websites and by eurosocialists who are funding and supporting them. That's an entirely different issue, really.
Dave
15 - MDE
Dave - Postings concerning moveon.org's history would be interesting reading.
I don't think that Uruknet was the best choice of sites to make your primary point. The site clearly is biased, but it's not so clear that it is functioning as a 'disinformation' site as part of an 'international socialist' conspiracy to support the terrorists... (At least not to me.)
Mark
16 - Dave Nalle
Uruknet is the one that caught my eye, so it was my launching off point. I've since run into several others which might be even better examples since they're coming straight from Europeans and have a very clear propaganda objective and even clearer socialist political agendas. I have written extensively on my blog in the past about one called breakfornews.com which is particularly bad.
Dave
17 - Dave Nalle
Not having visited BreakforNews.com in quite a while I dropped by after writing the last response and immediately got a little more grist for my mill.
According to them the recent demonstration in Furdos square in Baghdad was entirely anti-US and had 300,000 people at it. Pretty interesting when reliable sources say that the demonstration was largely anti-terrorist and pro-sadrist with the anti-US elements pretty peaceful, and a reliable count shows only about 12,000 in attendance. What they also fail to point out is that it was a peaceful demonstration with security provided by Iraqi government troops and no head bashing. That kind of demonstration is a hallmark of a democratic society stable enough to allow dissent.
Dave
18 - MDE
re: BreakforNews.com
Quite a site. Pure propaganda. Now your getting to the fantastical stuff I referred to earlier. But is this coming from some kind of coordinated socialist effort or just nuts and fruits?
Mark
19 - Dave Nalle
Most of these sites - and there's an Italian socialist site quite a bit like Break for News - seem to be based around one outspoken individual, but they have genuine followings and a sort of network of other sites which all share the same information. The BreakforNews.org guy has a podcast and does live interviews and seems to have established a sort of journalistic legitimacy for himself at least with the left in Britain.
Dave
20 - MDE
re:"What I really wanted to get at with this article was the disinformation being spread by pro-terrorist websites and by eurosocialists"
Have you spent any time looking at the structure and funding of the indymedia organization? Might be a story there.
Mark
21 - Georgio
I will at least give you credit Dave for admitting that you have religious fanatics in your party...What is so bad about Moveon.org..I get emails from them all the time asking for help to stop the rotten crap the Rs keep coming up with like private accounts and radical judge appointments and the swift boat liars who are getting ready to attack Hillary..at least they are not trying to control my life like the religious right fanatics who control congress and the President.and I welcome George Soros money ..I have never heard him ask for any conditions like the R R does..
22 - Dave Nalle
Georgio. The people who get emails from Neocon groups think that they are perfectly reasonable too. They think they're helping to take their money away from government bureaucrats, fight obstructionist democrats who have blocked some judicial appointment for as long as 5 years, and bring out the truth about Kerry's military record, and expose Hillary's plans for the socialization of America. They think that left wing, pro-government fanatics are trying to control their lives, overthrow the first president in years who's at least tried to restore personal integrity in the white house and bring down the congress that wants to put them back in control of their own lives.
Does any of that sound a bit familiar?
As for George Soros' conditions. Wait until the Democrats get into power. Not much point in asking for his payback now.
Dave
23 - SFC SKI
First Dave, thanks for the link to IslamicMemo, I started reading a bit of it, too little to offer an opinion on its bias. I bookmarked it and will let you all know what I think.
Several other arab news sites or sites with arab news have forums, the BBC has opinion pols and posts responses.
NowDave, before you start jacking threads with your OT "all these guys are leftie propogandists" why not just start a post of your own avour George Soros so we can keep this one on track, OK?
24 - Dave Nalle
You read arabic, Ski? Or is there a translated version I didn't spot.
And I'll try not to hijack my own threads. The sanity has to stop somewhere.
As for an article on Soros and his empire of surrogates, that will have to wait until I finish up a couple of other writing projects.
Dave
25 - Georgio
awww Dave everytime I think you have some rational thoughts you come up with more stupid stuff..if you believe the swift boat liars and that Hillary is a Socialist then I give up trying to talk sense to you..Kerry was a war hero and I read everything the swift boat liars put out and it was clear who the liars where..