The terror attack on Flight 253 is a symptom of Obama's prosecution of the War On Terror
It should be known by now that nearly 300 people could have died on Christmas day. Their lives weren't saved by the TSA or by Janet Napolitano or "outstretched hands." And despite the very heroic actions of those on the plane, heroes didn't save the nearly 300 passengers and crew on flight 253. Instead, the only thing that stopped all reasoned and feeling human beings from waking up to a horrible tragedy on Christmas was the incompetence of the terrorist himself. Had his execution been a little bit better, we'd be talking about recovering black boxes right now instead of whether or not the system worked.
As Jennifer Rubin points out, the Obama administration's handling of this occasion has been characterized by their typical bungling; the initial gaffe, followed by clarification, and then capped off by Obama's own empty speechifying. Yet, after Obama's incessant, near daily press conferences since his inauguration, it's hard to understand why he'd dodge the cameras immediately following the attempted attack, at precisely the time when Americans would have liked to hear from him. In light of 8 years of My Pet Goat ing by the left of the Bush administration, it was pathetic to read lefties on the various blogs, and their media cohorts in the New York Times, and CBS try to explain away as part of some ninja-chessmaster strategy or worse, an inconvenient interruption of Obama's holiday, the lack of any real response from the Commander-in-Chief following the attack . To have that followed up with Janet Napolitano's and Robert Gibbs' foolish comments Sunday morning that "the system worked" provides even more evidence, as if it were needed, that this administration is, horrifically, in way over its head, cheered on by a hyper-partisan left which will applaud any action or lack thereof, whether it's ultimately good or bad for the country.…
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126 - Ruvy
Your "new year" is not a holiday here. At least not in J-lem. The year started in the autumn - at rosh hashaná. My younger kid is going to go out drinking tonight (or something) with his mates because one of them has 31 December off from the army, and that is important for these kids. They never know when they'll see each other again, and the army seriously interferes with the mateship that they've had since they were 12 or so. But he doesn't get seriously drunk. One of the kids he hangs with has a very low alcohol tolerance, and half the fun of going out with him is watching out for him. They call it shmirá 'al ha'ófer watching out for the young deer (that's what the boy's name means in English - young deer).
Well, my son hasn't gotten into trouble - so far. I'll keep my fingers crossed....
127 - roger nowosielski
A number of posts here were indeed hilarious - a truly good ending. Perhaps it should remind us not to take politics too seriously or too personally. There are bigger and greater things.
Happy New Year, everybody. And you too, Ruvy.
128 - pablo
I just want to reiterate my previous comment. With the possible exception of Dread, not one of you others were even aware of Kurt Haskell and what he had to say as an eyewitness to this event, which just goes to show two things. Number one is that you are receiving your information from the wrong sources, and number two the MSM is making a conscious decision to withhold vital information from the American people about this incident. Then we have Patricia Keepman who also was onboard the flight who claims that a man was filming the alleged terrorist during the whole flight! Now I ask you that have flown before, how many of you have ever seen someone doing that onboard a commercial aircraft in the last ten years? I personally have flown commercially both domestically and internationally well over 150 times, and I have NEVER seen such an event.
You folks just don't get it. YOU are being lied to on an ongoing basis, and when they are not lying to you they are omitting vital information so that your brainwashing will continue.
I fortunately derive my news sources from a variety of online websites. I also usually assume when I see, read, or hear something from a MSM source until I know otherwise, that I am being lied to or misled at the very least.
For this particular story I got this information that most of you were totally ignorant about from infowars.com. Alex Jones did an excellent interview with Mr. Haskell on his show yesterday. Of course not a peep out of the MSM. Incidentally there was a second man who was taken away in handcuffs and arrested off of the plane. I wonder how many of you know that! I suspect zilch.
Zing and STM, feel free to keep up your silliness, as you only show your own fear and ignorance about what is happening in the world today. However regarding this incident the fact remains you are both woefully ignorant of the above reports on this incident. Try changing channels. I suspect Zing gets her news either from the Huff huff huffington post or even perhaps The DailyKos a known CIA site to those of us that are informed.
This poor kid was a patsy, and another in a long list of false flag terrorist incidents. Most of you are probably woefully ignorant as well in the days before this incident occured there were several MSM articles about US troop buildup in Yemen. Surprise surprise. Lick those polished MSM boots, they need more polishing.
129 - roger nowosielski
I must say, Pablo, that you do have a messianic instinct, which makes you and Ruvy so compatible. While he's is all about "God conspiracy," you speak of human conspiracy. It's all the same to me.
Personally, I think you'd be much more effective addressing individual people rather than the entire group. You may believe we're all alike, but let me assure you: each person here is a distinct individual and not everybody thinks alike. And that goes for both ends of the political spectrum.
It's precisely this preaching tone which characterizes some of your comments which make you and Ruvy so much alike. If I were you, I'd rethink my strategy.
Happy New Year to you.
130 - pablo
Roger,
Your probably right, my tactics suck. Then again I don't have an agenda, I just like stirring shit up. I do know that you are an individual, and imho one of the few people on this site that I actually respect to a degree.
I do tend to preach and I am arrogant, however that does not make my take on things incorrect. Arrogance is not a particularly attractive trait, that being said it comes with the territory, my territory of studying politics for close to 30 years. When I see the typical left/right bullshit over and over and over again about who is to blame etc, I address the groupthink. I perouse numberous forums, and I must say that this particular one has some of the most braindead, closed minded, and uniformed commenters that I have ever come across. You Roger are one of the very few that does attempt to humanize and civilize this website, and it has not been overlooked by me.
I quite frankly could give a shit, if I am liked on here, my social life is not on the internet, I just like saying what I want to say, so I do. The fact is Roger most people are brainwashed/conditioned, it is a fact of life, which I might add that the ruling elite use to their advantage every chance that they get. To even have a scintilla of a chance of not being brainwashed the first thing that a person needs to do is see it, which is also the hardest part of the process in opening up one's mind.
I believe that this is the first time that you have addressed me in about a year Roger. I am still hoping that you will take a look at, and give me some feedback on David Livingstone's online book Terrorism/Illuminati A Three Thousand Year Tradition. That is because believe it or not I value your opinion to a degree, and would very much like to hear your take on it.
Ruvy is a Jew, and I am a German, yet we are both wise enough and well read enough and clever enough to know what is going on. This New World Order which you seem to think is inevitable is one run by monsters, who quite frankly make Adolph look like a boy scout. They are sinister, ruthless, murderous, and are on the verge of seizing the whole fucking world. When and if that happens there is going to be a genocide not of 6 million but several billion souls. It is being run by the Rockefellers, the founders of Eugenics, the Rothchilds, and their underlings, former SS Prince Bernhardt of the Netherlands, Dr. Kissassinger, and the rest of the Bilderbergs. There is also Roger a very real underground Reich that has been around since Martin Bormann escaped to Argentina, which unfortunately included importing over 4000 former Nazis into the USA under Operation Paperclip. If you would like more information on this underground Reich, check out Dave Emory, an anti fascist researcher of some 30 years of whom I have been listening to for over 25 of those years. He has a vast amount of free online radio shows on his website going back over ten years.
To be here on this site reading the constant inane bantering of left/right bush/obama bullshit gets to be a bit much for me, hence I tend to lash out with my sarcasm. There is no left right anymore, they have all been absorbed by the Borg. I view a Newt Gingrich or a Nancy Pelosi as the same, with the exception that a Nancy Pelosi is a wolf in sheeps clothing, while Newt is just a prick.
I am not a messiah, I am just an old hippie that realized decades ago that fascists were in charge, and the nature of government unlike nature is to love a vacuum.
131 - STM
Pablo: "Zing and STM, feel free to keep up your silliness".
Lighten up Pab ... I can't speak for zing, but if I didn't loveyouse all, I wouldn't even bother.
Happy New Year - yes, it's al;ready 2010 Down Under (well, not quite in South Australia or Western Australia, yet, or even in Queensland, where the silly buggers don't have daylight saving.My mother in law's great quote: "Extra hour of daylight? We need less sun up here, not more")
132 - STM
Actually, by the time I posted, it is 2010 in Queensland :)
133 - STM
Happy New Year to you too, Rog, if you're still about. Have a good one mate!
134 - pablo
Oh and Happy New Year to you too Roger. :)
135 - pablo
Oh and Dread comment 67
Quote from Reuters Africa with url:
The military police have already said Abdulmutallab did not go through passport control at Schiphol when he arrived from Lagos
136 - roger nowosielski
Thanks Stan, and Pablo.
BTW, Pablo, I do appreciate the extensive response and please know that I tried to be constructive, not critical.
I will make it a point, man, to look at your sources. The reason I didn't was two-fold. First, I'm still very engaged by issues raised by the postmodernist thinkers. And secondly, while I don't deny that conspiracies exist and will continue plague our political scene for ages to come, I'm still of the opinion that that mode of thought doesn't offer a complete and totally satisfactory explanation. The world, as I see it, is much more complex than that, to attribute all events to doings and designs of evil men. In fact, I'm willing to grant that a great deal of undesirable effects and human misery is precisely the result of well-intentioned humans. That's what I mean by unintended consequences. Humans aren't simply that smart to be able to engineer horrendous plans, again IMHO, and bring them to (un)happy conclusion. And if the world were that simple, so would be a whole array of solutions. It is for that reason, mainly, that I've been focusing of late on more or less hidden mechanisms of power (and dominance), in the tradition of Michel Foucault, Jean-Pierre Lyotard, and the crop of postmodernist thinkers.
Again, I'm not saying that human agency doesn't make a difference, only that in my view that difference is greatly exaggerated. In my view, history moves on its own as it were, and although to some extent we humans do contribute somewhat to shaping our future, in great many ways we also respond to the events which are constantly unfolding and and ourselves shaped thereby.
I will look at your sources, I promise, and let's all hope for a better future in years to come.
137 - STM
You know what??
It wouldn't anywhere near the fun on here that it is we were all agreeing with each other.
In fact, it'd be as boring as bat shit.
That's the beauty of it.
138 - STM
I'm waiting for my daughter and her friends to get home at the local train station so I can pick them up after they went into the city to watch the NYE fireworks.
They're nearly 15, so I trusted them ... they were supposed to be home at 1am.
It's now 2am and they're only half way home
The question: should I give her a bollocking in front of her friends, who are staying over??
139 - roger nowosielski
I wouldn't embarrass here. Talk to her later.
140 - Cannonshop
17: Was 9/11 a result of Bush not paying attention to possible external threats?
Hell Yes, it Was, but the attack was prepped and planned during the previous administration, including the placement of the players that carried it out (that's Bill Clinton's administration, in case you're fuzzy on that).
One sign of a lack of intelligent thought, is the inability to learn from the mistakes of others-repeating someone's recent, catastrophic fuck-up is, to put it mildly, a great example of 'subject stupid' or failure to learn.
Knowledge is information, Intelligence is the ability to USE information.
Stupidity is why the bomber got on the plane, because the agency ignored the data, stupidity is why the bomber screwed up and those people lived. Stupidity in the aftermath would be failing to learn the repeat of the original lesson-that information must flow between agencies and letting dangerous people with Al-Qaeda ties onto commercial planes is a bad, bad, idea.
It's like the refresher course for the new guy in the White House-we'll have to see if he learns anything from the experience, or if a few thousand folks have to die in flames and smoke before he 'gets a clue'.
141 - Dr Dreadful
"The military police have already said Abdulmutallab did not go through passport control at Schiphol when he arrived from Lagos"
Well, I know that not all countries have the same policy (the US, for example), but in most cases if he was transferring to another international flight he wouldn't need to go through passport control.
Here's the difference, though, Pablo, in the way we look at things. You tend to look at an unusual incident (like someone videoing a person on a plane, or asking if his friend could board a plane without a passport) and conclude that it's an indication of an orchestrated plot by the NWO. I look at them and make no such conclusion, because I feel that there are a number of possible explanations - yes, including yours, but I don't assume that yours is the best candidate.
The problem with your line of reasoning is that there's no place to draw a line. You claim that we're being psychologically manipulated by the NWO because we give credence to MSM news. You say you know what is really going on because you glean your information from a number of 'backstreet' websites. But... how do you know that information isn't being fed to you as well (for whatever nefarious reason) and that you're also someone's dupe? Come to that, how do I know that everything I've been taught about critical thinking and logic hasn't also been fed to me for the NWO's convenience? See what I'm saying?
There's no way to disprove any of this, so we're left with what we can verify. All I'll say is that you're relying here on eyewitness reports, which are demonstrably unreliable, even when more than one person gives the same account. What's more, your sources are local newspapers which, I would point out, are for the most part owned by the same large corporations which run the MSM. (And actually your last source is Reuters, and if that isn't a MSM outlet I don't know what is!)
I think it's appropriate to conclude with one of Mark's favourite sayings: YMMV. :-)
142 - zingzing
ruvy: "The issue here is that your security is being purposely compromised so that a national emergency can be declared and your rights in the States formally abrogated."
so the great fascist takeover can be traced to... firecrackers in the undies...
maybe the ruvy and pablo hour actually could work. although they'd probably disagree on who stuffed said undies. that's where the drama would come in. who is it, really, who has their hands in the proverbial pie? hrm. that doesn't really work.
and ruvy, i'll admit the parody was rather broad (or maybe too specifically targeting one sticking point of your individual crazy spots) and i didn't really (even attempt to) nail your voices. but to detail the depths of the insanity and to really portray you two as you really speak would mean my comment would have filled the page. if i could actually do it justice, i would not only be a genius, i'd actually be writing the damn thing, because it's just too good.
but i obviously touched you somewhere you didn't like being touched. so i did a duty of sorts.
143 - roger nowosielski
I do agree with you on one thing, zing. To accurately capture insanity would indeed be a mark of genius. And if you could do such a thing, you could well be a bestseller.
For everyone's information, this is a comment on a comment. It's no reflection on the truth or falsity of the original remark.
144 - El Bicho
How do you know you aren't being lied to, Pablo? Why would these all-powerful organizations control the major media outlets let all this information get through? Wouldn't it be easier to control a smaller group of people by feeding their beliefs through channels they trust and turning them into patsies?
And maybe those forces are at work here? Doc only gave Jordan credit for pointing out the terrorists the now-vanished OA overlooked, and you singled out zing and STM for their silliness when the TV show was my idea. Are you two in cahoots against me?
145 - Sherlock Holmes
El Butcho: Well we shouldn't discount the diplomatic option here. If we could just sit down and talk it out with the terrorists we might make some serious headway.
146 - STM
Yeah, that's right. We could just wave flowers at 'em as well.
Or handbags. They love YSL.
The latest al-Qaeda fashion is to get a Burberry coat, rip out the lining and wrap that around your head (instead of a teatowel) for when you're going out for a big night out.
147 - Heloise
Just as I predicted. That nigerian muslim rat had carte blanche visa. He could come and go as he frickin pleased for 2 years. WTF is going on w/ our visa system. When I went to the punjab I got a 2 week visa. Period.
But we are just giving students 2 year visas? I hope he fries.
148 - STM
Especially since the British refused him a student visa for giving a non-existent learning institution.
Perhaps the two countries should share more of this info.
If they already do, and it still wasn't picked up ... big problem.
Not a political one, though, despite what you read here. A failure of intelligence, and it won't be the last time.
149 - Franco
118 - STM
Episode 3: "Franco decides to look up some facts in a book instead of some right-wing sites on the internet".
STM, you have an open and honest invitation to address and challenge any information and premise I put forth, based on that information and its premise. The lines are open to you.
What you do not have is an invitation for (1) trying to put other words in my mouth, or (2) ad hominem attacks (argument against the man, arguments against the person) instead of what is being asserted.
The former is wholesome and may just get us somewhere positive and meaningful, the latter is unwholesome, evidences the premise can not be challenged based on its merits, and a waist of precious time.
The ball is now in your court and I stand ready to respond to your next shot.
150 - Dave Nalle
#141 is very well put by Dr. D. and that's all I have to say on the subject.
Dave
151 - Dr Dreadful
@ #148:
Stan brings up a good point: the Brits thought he smelled iffy but the Americans didn't.
Remember that Britain has a lot more experience of combatting terrorism - for the most part terrorism by people who look like us. So we've become pretty damn good at it.
A lot is made of the profiling argument: and while advocates of profiling do have a point, it's still a reactive tactic.
The immediate response of al-Qaeda and their associated idiots, of course, would be to start trying to recruit people who don't look Middle Eastern or African and who don't have Muslim-sounding names...
152 - STM
Franco: "The ball is now in your court and I stand ready to respond to your next shot."
Whoe there! Come on Franco - lighten up a tad mate ... it's just a rev-up (and yes, I agree it's at your expense) and nothing more than a bit of fun expanding on EB's hilarious idea for a reality television show featuring a BC clique that tends to, shall we say, take an opposite viewpoint.
But as I explained to Pab, if I didn't love youse all on here, and your opposite viewpoints, I wouldn't even bother. That applies to you too.
Definitely NOT to be taken seriously, mate. You can see from the tone of the posts if you read between the lines that it was a bit of fun. Nothing more.
So Happy New Year to you and yours, Franco, and all the best for 2010 and I'm definitely not going to take a shot at you!
153 - roger nowosielski
Gosh, STM. I was hoping for another slugfest.
154 - roger nowosielski
BTW, you did make up with your fifteen-year old?
155 - pablo
FBI caught lying four different times about this incident. I know, I know they have been lying to protect us. It gives me that warm snuggly feeling of my big brother watching out for me.
FBI caught lying four times
I know the boot lickers will come back with some lame response. Bring it on.
156 - roger nowosielski
What else is new, Pablo? Everyone is trying to cover their ass and smell good once the dust settles.
157 - pablo
What is new Roger is this guy Kurt Haskell, is standing by his guns so to speak, and refuses to be intimidated either by the MSM or the FBI. I like that kind of guy. And if what he says is true, it casts serious doubt on the official story.
There is a long litany of patsys in the secret governments sordid past. From Oswald, a former FBI informant, and CIA operative, to Sirhan Sirhan, to Tim Mcveigh. Incidentally both Sirhan and McVeigh had the same MK Ultra doctor working on their brains. Surprise surprise.
I also find it mildly amusing that the official no fly gestapo list has over 1,000,000 names on it, however Umar was on a secondary list! Sure he was. Lets assume for the sake of amusement that the secondary list has ten times more folks on it. Now the list is over 10,000,000 souls!
The fact is that the government uses fear like this to perpetuate its police state takeover of our country and indeed the world. If only the unsuspecting sheep knew who to really fear and resist! Unfortunately their eyes are turned the other way, which is exactly what the ruling elite wants, and works quite well for the most part.
I always found particularly funny is those that still believe the 9/11 official myth, those that say OUR government would NEVER do that to US, that is sacrifice and murder over 3000 of its own citizens. Hmmmm I wonder what they are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan for their agenda. Letting Americans get blown away and maimed, in addition to murdering over a million brown skinned human beings. And the beat goes on and on and on......
I was thinking of posting for Nalle's sake a recent website that I cam across listing in great detail all of the atrocities that the CIA has committed in the last 50 years, but why beat a dead horse, or dead elephant as it were. After all its a family tradition.
158 - roger nowosielski
Well, yeah, it's good he's sticking by his story. But don't expect this attitude to spread. The American public has a long history of being the most apathetic. We've been trained to regard consumer goods as our modern day idol, and as long there's still money to be spent, I don't expect that too change. May the devil take the rest.
159 - Dr Dreadful
I also find it mildly amusing that the official no fly gestapo list has over 1,000,000 names on it
Pablo, I don't know where you picked up this old chestnut, but if there were a million people on the no-fly list planes would be empty.
Even the ACLU only puts the number at 'tens of thousands', which is a couple of orders of magnitude lower than your figure. So I'm not as astonished as you are that Abdulmutallab didn't make the cut.
I do agree that maintaining such a list isn't the most effective way to combat terrorism, due to its rigidity, and that there are no doubt plenty of people on the list who shouldn't be - Nelson Mandela, for instance, who was on it for no other reason that that he was a member of the ANC, which was listed as a terrorist organization by a government which the US recognised.
160 - Dr Dreadful
And I'm betting that the truth is somewhere in between Mr Haskell's and Mr Smith's versions.
This is a good illustration, though, of what I don't get about Pablo's world.
There is supposed to be a vast clandestine organisation which controls the world, has created a grand illusion which it uses to conceal its true purpose, and has stage-managed most of the major news events of recent times as part of that illusion.
Somehow it manages all that, yet is so incompetent that it can't even get its story straight about who got arrested off Flight 253.
How?...?
161 - STM
Roger: I let it go. There were two million people in the city that night watching the fireworks.
Getting a train was a nightmare, apparently, she had to queue for an hour and a half just to get from where she was on the foreshore to the railway station up the hill. Then she had to get a train.
That's why I never go and watch them now. It's such a shitfight.
Even driving home work that night, I couldn't go over the Harbour Bridge because it's closed for the foireworks and all the road closures made it difficult to get into the harbour tunnel so I headed west instead, and took the circuitous route which was about an hour's drive.
That's a grown up with a car at 8.30pm, so if you're there after midnight it's really bad.
At least she made an effort and let me know where she was, which in reality is all I ask of her.
Thanks for asking mate!
162 - roger nowosielski
STM, it sounds like driving through New York City. I wouldn't put up with it anymore. Even San Francisco traffic was getting to be a nightmare.
163 - Dr Dreadful
It's the same deal in London at New Year.
Even though the city fathers deliberately don't put on big events like firework displays (with the exception of the Millennium), people still congregate in huge numbers around Trafalgar Square and Westminster. And getting home after Big Ben bongs can be the same sort of epic trek your daughter had.
The problem is that London's public transport, apart from the night buses, shuts down at 1 a.m., so if where you're going isn't on a tube line (the tubes run all night at New Year and offer free travel) you're pretty much stuffed.
The one time we went 'up to town' for the occasion it was an hour's wait for the night bus, whose driver proceeded to drive half the route before pulling a favourite London Buses stunt - terminating the service short of the advertised destination, ignoring everyone's protests and threatening to call the Old Bill if we didn't get the fuck off his bus. So we then had to wait another hour for the next bus, in orchestra-shrivelling cold. Three hours to go about ten miles, by the time we got to my brother's in the southern suburbs.
Never again...
164 - pablo
The American Idiot
Nuff said.
165 - STM
Well, Doc, at least we don't have the orchestra-shrivelling cold on NYE and they did put on extra trains, buses and ferries for the night, which then ran all night right through to about 5am, when the regular day services begin.
Roger: after living in Sydney, last time I was in San Francisco, I found the peak-hour traffic pretty damn good by comparison - which gives you an idea of how bad Sydney is because one of my mates is from SF and he still complains about it when he goes back to see his mum (he doesn't travel in peak-hour here ... walks to work).
For instance, in Sydney I would never drive to the airport in peak-hour traffic or for any airline departure up to about midday. I get the train instead, as the service to the domestic and international airports is pretty good but the road system can be a nightmare and there's always a risk you'll miss a flight.
Sydney suffers from the same problem as New York: all the feeder roads (the freeways, tollways and main thoroughfares from the suburbs) dump everything into a bottleneck at all compass points on the outer limits of what is a quite large business district.
It's probably a lot like Boston was a few years back before they built those new tunnels running under town.
We've got those, though, and it still hasn't helped. Public transport is pretty good here, but if you need your car for work, big problems getting into and out of town and parking once you do ...
Infrastructure growth simply isn't keeping pace with population growth in this town.
166 - roger nowosielski
I wouldn't dare make the comparison, but the traffic not just in SF but the entire Bay Area has doubled (or more) over the past twenty years. There's no longer such a thing as a rush hour. Unless its past midnight, every hour is rush hour.
167 - STM
Yep, I hear ya. It's the same here. Plus, they are down on cars. The Lord Mayor is killing us with parking fines, and the state government keeps building toll roads in contracts with private industry.
It just costs a fortune to run a car in this city, but you simply have to have one unless you live withing spitting distance of the city and don't ever want to go anywhere else, and have no children to transport around the joint.
168 - pablo
Dread 159
"Pablo, I don't know where you picked up this old chestnut, but if there were a million people on the no-fly list planes would be empty."
Uhhhh the ACLU page referenced below bubba, USA Today referenced below, Wikepedia referenced below, Huff huff huffington post referenced below, digg.com referenced below, ACLU of Northern California referenced below, LA Times referenced below.
As to your lame argument in post 160:
"There is supposed to be a vast clandestine organisation which controls the world, has created a grand illusion which it uses to conceal its true purpose, and has stage-managed most of the major news events of recent times as part of that illusion.
Somehow it manages all that, yet is so incompetent that it can't even get its story straight about who got arrested off Flight 253.
How?...?"
They are not totally in charge but working on it as fast as they can. The fact is that there are people resisting it, and things happen which are out of their control, including news reporting in real time, which sometimes allows for real truth to sneak by. I have never said that this ruling elite is 100% in charge, if that were the case many of us that are resisting it would not be alive today.
What I do find amazing about you Dread, reporting from your little isolated outpost in inbred Fresno California, one of the two main outposts of true ignoramuses from the Golden State, the other one being Barstow, is that I have yet to see you outraged at the totalitarianism coming from your own native country, and it is indeed outrageous. From the land that produced the Magna Carta to the silthering slimy fascist of Gordon Brown and company. Your native country is all about big brother, totalitarianism, fascism, Fabian Socialism, and the Tavistock Institute of Human behaviour, the architects of MKULTRA.
How about a little outrage about the Brits pal?
169 - pablo
Here is the supporting link to the above references Dread.
Over 1,000,000 on terror watchlist
Old chestnut my ass.
170 - pablo
Oh and Dread,
Here are two more old chestnut links for ya, one is the ACLU which actually has a watch list counter on it currently at over 135,000,000, the other one is a link to a DOJ Pdf document, listing the list at over 700,000 3 years ago.
ACLU website
DOJ website
Wake up and smell the stink of big brother Dread. Old chestnut? Give me a fucking break.
171 - Ruvy
DD,
The last 35 years has been all about parody coming true as history.
So much for merry old Engelond....
172 - Dr Dreadful
Over 1,000,000 on terror watchlist
Old chestnut my ass.
Pablo, you claimed that there were over a million people on the no fly list, not the watchlist.
They are not totally in charge but working on it as fast as they can. The fact is that there are people resisting it, and things happen which are out of their control, including news reporting in real time, which sometimes allows for real truth to sneak by.
If their handling of the recent terrorist incident, as reported by Mr Haskell, is anything to go by, I'm not too worried about their plans succeeding any time soon.
reporting from your little isolated outpost in inbred Fresno California, one of the two main outposts of true ignoramuses from the Golden State, the other one being Barstow
Your information on California is out of date. There are three such outposts, not two. You forgot Bakersfield. Nice ad hominem, though. Way to win an argument.
I have yet to see you outraged at the totalitarianism coming from your own native country, and it is indeed outrageous.
I'm no fan of Gordon Brown or his party and have never voted for any of them. But your suggestion that Britain has turned into a totalitarian country is ridiculous. The occasional over-vigorous police response and a few too many CCTV cameras does not 1984 make.
173 - The Obnoxious American
Interesting article by Peggy Noonan (who BTW actually supported Obama during the election but has now seen the err in her ways) which makes many of the same points I've made above.
I find it interesting because so many people here were outraged at the conclusion I came to back on December 29th. The true believers here as in many of my articles, did their best to characterize me as a crank, out of step with reality. Yet as the days have passed, I've gotten a lot of satisfaction seeing much of the mainstream media produce articles echoing the points I made here.
I'm not saying I'm absolutely right but I am saying you're wrong :>
174 - roger nowosielski
Obama is the furthest from was this country needs. He's always been an opportunist, no different from his spectacular rise to power in Chicago politics. I had serious reservations about him, which I suspended temporarily during the primaries. Now that the cat is out of the bag, it should be clear to all and all alike that he's just another politician, no better or worse than any of them. All that hype and no substance. So a Robert Kennedy he's definitely not. Not an ounce of passion in him, no true commitment, just politics as usual. But what else can you expect out of Washington these days?
I just hope you realize that you're being swarmed by the sea of ideology. Other than that, they're all the same - left, right or center. There aren't any distinctions with a difference. It's an illusion.
It's been a long time since we've had a true statesman, and it's not about to change now.
America has become a one big garbage pale, a dump, and everyone's is intent on taking a piece of her until she is devoured like an empty carcass.
175 - The Obnoxious American
I just hope you realize that you're being swarmed by the sea of ideology. Other than that, they're all the same - left, right or center.
Interestingly I agree with both parts of this. I am ideological - not in terms of party, but in terms of getting back to what this country should be about. But I also agree that there are useless wastes of time in both parties.
That said, unless the left changes it's tune I will always vote GOP because:
1) It's fantasy to think a third party candidate will get elected. After all, that's how we ended up with Clinton.
2) At least the GOP talks about agreeing with the platform of smaller government, strong defense and fiscal security. Maybe they don't always stick to these ideals when elected but I have a better chance with them than with Democrats who actually run on a platform I completely disagree with.