The Righteous Fist Rides Into the Sunset: Final Notes on the Texas GOP Convention - Page 3

Part of: On The Road To 2008

Saturday, 2:05pm - State Agriculture

Isset was suddenly replaced by Texas State Agriculture Commission Chairman Todd Staples. Someone else actually beat me to it and asked him one of my biodiesel questions and he gave a good answer, and I then followed up with my other biodiesel question about the TCEQ ruling taking biodiesel off the regular commercial market in Texas and I was pleasantly surprised to discover he not only knew what I was talking about in a general way, but was on top of the specifics and seemed to share my concerns. It's reassuring to see someone running something who actually knows what he's talking about.

Saturday, 2:15pm - More With Isset

Rep. Isset came back after the brief visit from the Ag Commissioner. He's been one of the most accomodating interviewees we've had, and I got to ask him a question about his bill opposing the REAL ID, which currently has Texas' compliance with the federal program on hold at least until the issue of REAL ID being an unfunded mandate is resolved. Seems like a nice guy. Rabidly pro-life, but that's virtually impossible to get away from with any elected Republican in Texas.

Saturday, 2:30pm - Congressional Candidate Pete Olson

Pete Olson is running to try to fill what used to be Tom Delay's seat in Congress. He seems like a cookie-cutter GOP Congressman. He's articulate and has endorsements from prominent figures like Phil Gramm, but he seems too generic and didn't inspire me, though at this point I may be a bit burnt out on these interviews.

Wrap-Up Reports

Ok, I'm, heading out from the convention. I've left the hall and I'm in the car and before I start driving I'm going to report on a couple of things, because a lot of important news came in at the last minute.

Ron Paul Delegates: After asking about a billion people from the Ron Paul camp, who mostly seemed only to know about their own congressional districts, I think I have a decent idea how many delegates were won by the Paul/Liberty faction. If you didn't know, each congressional district elects a delegate to the national convention. It looks like the Paul/Liberty faction won 3 delegate seats and between 2 and 5 alternate slots. That's about a 10% representation, which is more than double the percentage which Paul got in the popular vote, but substantially less than the percentage of the total state delegates who supported Paul. Most of them are looking at this result as disappointing, but I think that winning that many delegates the first time out with the deck stacked against them is a remarkable success. Apparently at least 2 of the Paul/Liberty delegates ran 'stealth' campaigns where almost no one knew they were part of the Paul faction, and that seems to have paid off.

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  • 1 - spinnikerca

    Jun 14, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    I think you are a bit unfair to the RP supporters considering they were looking for a definitive statement as to whether he was dropping out in the speech they had attended the day before, and didn't get it there. Query whether they checked in at his web page before going to convention.

    They know by now, though.

    So I guess now the hard work starts, for those willing to roll up their sleeves and get to it.

  • 2 - Dave Nalle

    Jun 14, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    Actually, I asked them and many of them had seen the website and still didn't believe it. It may just be a short term shock effect, or something.

    Dave

  • 3 - Dave Nalle

    Jun 15, 2008 at 1:19 am

    Final update done. I'm surprised the Paulistas aren't here complaining I didn't give them enough coverage. Or maybe they only show up when I have negative things to say about their movement.

    Dave

  • 4 - E. L. Wall

    Jun 15, 2008 at 11:55 am

    This was a great series of articles on the Texas Convention. I consider this the most exhaustive analysis I have seen regarding the convention process. As a Ron Paul supporter, I am not a fan of the John Birch Society. I consider myself libertarian conservative but I am not a paranoid racist. That was a major flaw of the campaign along with the Ron Paul Report issue, and the Truther support, and the rest. I did a post-mortem on the campaign for my meetup group in March talking about how a 1/2 libertarian and 1/2 John Birch campaign had no chance to succeed, and I was attacked for it. If it wasn't for my respect for his honesty and voting record I would have had nothing to do with the campaign.
    I am tired of that guy who always rails against the North American Union in my meetup attacking me for not "speaking out" on the issue and in general being a bully. So much for freedom of speech...
    Anyway, great article and I look forward to more insights into the Ron Paul movement.

  • 5 - Dave Nalle

    Jun 15, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Thanks, E.L. I had many chats with Paul supporters over the last few days and found them to be a very diverse group, and a lot of them are relatively reasonable - a lot of the libertarians have a practical streak which will serve them well in the long term in politics.

    But it really troubled me when I ran into a girl who couldn't have been more than 18 who was absolutely fanatical about the NAU and the CFR. To be that young and have a mind so closed is a real shame.

    Dave

  • 6 - Tom deSabla

    Jun 15, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    DN: "Bryan Walker who are running for state legislature positions against incumbent Democrats stopped by for a joint interview with the various bloggers. They answered questions about the Trans Texas Corridor (which they are vehemently against)"

    Although I freely admit I am not sure who "they" is in this paragraph, which someone obviously failed to proofread for you, I notice that you ARE mentioning the Trans-Texas corridor with a straight face:

    There can't be a Trans Texas corridor Dave. It's part of the mythical NAU conspiracy theory isn't it?

    Remember? It's a figment of Paul's and Alex Jones' imaginations.

    "Rep. Isset came back after the brief visit from the Ag Commissioner. He's been one of the most accomodating interviewees we've had, and I got to ask him a question about his bill opposing the REAL ID"

    REAL ID? Aren't Paul and his tards against REAL ID too? I guess when we oppose it, we're just being conspiratorial and paranoid; but when some mainstream Republican opposes it, you lap it up.

    DN: "Most of them [Paul supporters] are looking at this result as disappointing, but I think that winning that many delegates the first time out with the deck stacked against them is a remarkable success."

    The deck was stacked against them? How can that be, Dave? I thought you said that Paul has been treated fairly all along?

    DN: "I'm fully aware of the complaints about it. The evidence to support those complaints is pretty sketchy, especially when it comes to persecution in the MSM. Paul got way more exposure than any of the other also-rans."

    Still, I applaud your accidental brush with the truth here, Dave. See - it didn't hurt you a bit!

    DN: "My first impression is that it's [TX. republican platform] the longest damned platform I've ever seen in my life. It's just widiculously detailed."

    Like my posts that expose and detail your economic stupidity? The ones that you and your suckups/surrogates find so difficult to process?

    DN: "the bellicose Ron Paul supporter mentioned early in this series never showed up to punch me in the nads as promised."

    Was this a threat that never materialized because the Ron Paul supporter was a chicken? Possibly.

    Or was this a threat that was never real in the first place? Probably.

    There is a third possibility - the Paultard could have realized that there was no point in showing up to punch you in the "nads" because you don't have any.

    If you did, you would have never turned against Ron Paul to begin with.

    That's right, just so I'm clear here - anyone who claims to have libertarian values and who didn't support Ron Paul, has no balls, no heart, and no brains.

    DN: "I'm surprised the Paulistas aren't here complaining I didn't give them enough coverage. Or maybe they only show up when I have negative things to say about their movement."

    Why else would we show up at your blogs Dave? It's not like we're going to learn anything from you!

    Unlike you, I won't be worried about that young girl you spoke of unless she had really wacky ideas - like thinking that printing up fiat currency was constitutional borrowing, and even wackier ones about inflation being caused by economic growth.

    YOU are the only "libertarian" I have ever heard saying such ignorant things and worse still - maligning and abusing your fellow libertarians who try to set you straight.

    I don't care how long you've been lurking around this movement sabotoging liberty at every turn. The facts are clear. You are no libertarian, you don't know libertarianism, you are dishonest, and a total and complete fraud. And I will continue to expose you.

    Have a nice day ; )

  • 7 - Dave Nalle

    Jun 16, 2008 at 2:22 am

    There can't be a Trans Texas corridor Dave. It's part of the mythical NAU conspiracy theory isn't it?

    The way that conspiracy theories work, since you've clearly never applied any critical thought to the subject, is to take something real and then apply a paranoid intepretation to it. There's no question that the TTC concept exists. No question that some people want to have it go accross the whole country. However, the truth is that it's never going to happen that way. States bordering Texas have already shut it down and now it's getting more or less shut down here in Texas. And the totally fictional part is the assumption that the existence of a trans-national highway would have automatically created a multi-national union. A leap of illogic based on zero evidence and the rantings of one fantasizing globalist at the CFR.

    REAL ID? Aren't Paul and his tards against REAL ID too? I guess when we oppose it, we're just being conspiratorial and paranoid; but when some mainstream Republican opposes it, you lap it up.

    I oppose REAL ID because it's unnecessary and a violation of privacy rights. But I don't think it's the first step to putting implant chips in people or tattooing barcodes on their foreheads with the number of the beast on them. Anyone sensible would oppose REAL ID, and lots of normal Republicans do. But that doesn't give any legitimacy to the paranoid claims about it that come from the fringe.

    The deck was stacked against them? How can that be, Dave? I thought you said that Paul has been treated fairly all along?

    Read the articles, all of them. I've only said the MSM gave him a relatively fair shake. I've reported from the very beginning of my coverage of the Texas primary process that the GOP party insiders have been stacking the deck against Paul's movement.

    Like my posts that expose and detail your economic stupidity? The ones that you and your suckups/surrogates find so difficult to process?

    As someone else pointed out, you have a fundamentally outdated view of the economy which is so out of sync with reality that it makes one wonder if you might be mildly retarded.

    Was this a threat that never materialized because the Ron Paul supporter was a chicken? Possibly.

    Or was this a threat that was never real in the first place? Probably.


    There were multiple threats and one of them was posted publicly here on BC and plenty of people saw it before the comments editor deleted it.


    If you did, you would have never turned against Ron Paul to begin with.

    IMO Paul betrayed his professed libertarian values.

    That's right, just so I'm clear here - anyone who claims to have libertarian values and who didn't support Ron Paul, has no balls, no heart, and no brains.

    Actually, I don't think Ron Paul is a libertarian anymore, if he ever was. His beliefs diverge too far from fundamental libertarianism and his association with the JBS betrays exactly what his real values are.

    Unlike you, I won't be worried about that young girl you spoke of unless she had really wacky ideas - like thinking that printing up fiat currency was constitutional borrowing, and even wackier ones about inflation being caused by economic growth.

    I realize that causation is the great unknowable of the conspiracy-minded, but I never said inflation was caused by economic growth, though I may have said that inflation tended to accompany economic growth.

    YOU are the only "libertarian" I have ever heard saying such ignorant things and worse still - maligning and abusing your fellow libertarians who try to set you straight.

    I actually don't think it's possible to BE a libertarian and hold the crazed anti-liberty beliefs espoused by the JBS. Libertarianism is a belief system based on REASON and embracing the irrational isn't compatible with it at all.

    I don't care how long you've been lurking around this movement sabotoging liberty at every turn. The facts are clear. You are no libertarian, you don't know libertarianism, you are dishonest, and a total and complete fraud. And I will continue to expose you.

    I'd suggest that you've already demonstrated a bizarre ignorance of libertarianism, its basic beliefs and even the diversity of the movement. You're not qualified to judge my libertarianism, having clearly shown you don't understand libertarianism in the first place.

    Dave

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