Provided here is a “translation tool” of sorts, to help understand terms employed by the Religious/Political Right.
Provided here is a “translation tool” of sorts, to help understand terms employed by the Religious/Political Right in editorials and sermons. These terms are also used quite often in the political arena.…
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— go to most recent comments26 - Arch Conservative
Yeah Jet .....this is your post. You have to keep on top of all the responses. When Dave or I or someone else posts something contrary to your all knowing progressive conciousness you have to jump all over it like Bill Clinton on a White House intern on her first day on the job man.
27 - Jet in Columbus
SteveS #25 or as president Bush would put it, regarding your remark, "At the speed of thought"
28 - Jet in Columbus
#Dave Nalle, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Eric ask that we respond to each commenter as a matter of courtesy?
I'd quote it, as I copied and pasted it somewhere, but I'm sure I'm right. I feel it's a privilege to be able to post my thoughts here, and if I decide to give each response individual attention (even Archie's) instead of ignoring the ones I don't agree with, that's Arch's problem not mine.
Arch the conman, THANK YOU for comparing me to Bill Clinton, I'm honored and humbled.
{:^p~~~~~~
29 - Nancy
We could make a case that alternatively one could jump on a retort with the speed of W. Bush reading "My Pet Goat" when terrorists strike. Lessee...that gives Jet over 7 minutes, by my count!
30 - Jet in Columbus
There you go! Thank you Nancy, I knew I could count on you.
31 - Arch Conservative
Or we could say Jet should respond with the amount of time it took that fat Ted Kennedy to report what happened at Chappaquiddac. Then he'd have almost 24 hours.
32 - SteveS
It's always interesting to note that when liberals and arch conservatives debate, liberals can point out current problems (like when Reagan was president we said things about Reagan, now that Bush is president, we say things about Bush, we talk about current Republican/conservative politicians, pundits, evangelists or whatnot), but arch conservatives alway go back to Clinton/Lewinsky and Ted Kennedy.
I guess that's all they have.
33 - Jet in Columbus
Arch 32,33,34 you're slipping, you didn't call him a liberal! Does Dave Nalle have to watch you every minute?
34 - DrPat
Dave, I'd love to see a picture of Senator Mrs. Bill Clinton sporting an orange vest and a rifle, off to shoot a deer in Harriman State Park...
35 - Jet in Columbus
Dave #24, in response to Dr. Pat #37, yeah, me too! I bet Bill would've behaved better if she'd have posed for it about 15 years ago.
So show us already!
36 - Dave Nalle
Jet, I'm pretty sure there's no policy that says one ought to respond to every possible comment. If there was then I'd have to actually pay attention to MCH. Some comments aren't deserving of response or don't lend themselves to a meaningful response.
Dave
37 - DrPat
Yuck, no! Jet, m'ski, you misunderstood - I meant an orcnge vest OVER her clothes, not IN LIEU OF them!
(Washing out my mind's eye...)
38 - Jet in Columbus
Arch, in comment 31 you're talking about something that happened over 40 {expletive deleted} years ago you {personal attack deleted}!!
Kennedy was cleared of all wrong doing repeatedly.
Shirley, excuse me Surely you can come up with something that doesn't make you sound like a {expletive deleted} ex-wife digging up the dead and buried past can't you?
Come on! I'm very disappointed in you!
39 - Dave Nalle
Dr.Pat - this one is faked, but it does show Hillary firing an automatic rifle. The Clintons are not known for their gun usage as a couple - unless you believe the Vince Foster conspiracy theories - I did say almost any democrat, didn't I?
Here's a picture of Kerry pretending to hunt geese.
Dave
40 - Jet in Columbus
#40 Dr.Pat. Oh THANKS Dr. Pat. Now that image will be stuck in my head all night!
How did you think I'd mean that?
Just remember if your erection lasts more than four hours to call a physician immediately
Love Jet
41 - Jet in Columbus
Oh Dave #42 but I want a real one. (Maybe I should rephrase that) Wherever did you find that? Did you make it yourself?
On a serious note I feel that anyone who takes the time, no matter what side they're on, to write me a note, deserves a response. Personally that's how I feel, and I have no intentions of apologizing for it here.
Contrary to what Arch Conservative seems to think,
I don't lie in waiting, so I can pounce on anything I disagree with, and as anyone can see, I've responded to everybody.
My sincere thanks to all of you for taking the time.
Jet
42 - Jet in Columbus
Dave #42, Wasn't Cheney "pretending to hunt Quayle (excuse me quaile) when he shot that lawyer?
43 - DrPat
No, I understand he was trying to shoot a potatoe...
(pa-dum-pum!)
44 - Jet in Columbus
I have this foolish wish that someone new I haven't heard from yet will comment on the original text of this string.
...Oh I know, I'm just being silly.
forgive me
45 - Dave Nalle
It's always possible that someone will find it on google news and show up. It sometimes takes a day or so, though.
Dave
46 - Jet in Columbus
Oh. The picture of Hillary wearing only a hunting vest, or a new commenter?
47 - Baronius
"I have this foolish wish that someone new I haven't heard from yet will comment on the original text of this string."
Maybe if you wrote something more groundbreaking than "the right wing is mean", you'd get a broader response. There are too many places on the net to respond to similar statements. So it's just the same old gang replying to the same old thing. Your most provocative comment was that you forgot it was Good Friday.
48 - Jet in Columbus
'nuff said
sorry
49 - Jet in Columbus
WAIT! I TAKE THAT BACK, the problem still exists, damn it. Just because you pronounce it old news Baronius, doesn't mean it still doesn't warrant discussion.
There went another can of spray teflon Nancy.
Gay marriage, and a lying president?
Yeah you're right that is old news. Maybe that's the damned problem, we've gotten so used to it, we just don't care any more!
50 - Yuri
"We could make a case that alternatively one could jump on a retort with the speed of W. Bush reading "My Pet Goat" when terrorists strike. Lessee...that gives Jet over 7 minutes, by my count!"
That event really ticked a lot of people off, doesn't it.
a. He probably didn't want to freak the children out.
b. His staff (secret service) didn't wish to move him until they ensured themselves that he wasn't in immediate danger. (Pssst... it's their job).
Oh BTW.... the wall came crashing down during Ronnie's watch. I'm not a big fan, but there are a lot of souls in Eastern Europe who are eternally grateful for what America was able to do during that era. I know that for a fact, I am one of millions.
Oh, and I met Dan Quayle and Marilyn in St. Thomas back in 91 or 92. They actually were gracious to spend about 30 minutes conversing with me. We had a very plesent visit. I can only speculate that the press was in the target acquisition mode. I can't imagine that they actually knew that couple.
Oh, and BTW, I am a U.S. citizen now. I did it legally.
51 - Jet in Columbus
Dear Yuri #50. You've got a lot to learn about our president, and your new citizenship means you must learn the responsibility to "rock the boat" occasionally and exercize you own opinion. It's one of your duties to contribute your experiences to us as a whole, and not just "go with the flow"
I would like you to directly respond to the following, if you dare!
A. He didn't want to freak the children out
So what you're saying is that while the whole rest of our country was "freaking out", watching planes plowing into the World Trade Center in great explosions, live on telivesion, according to you, Mr. Bush sat motionless for seven minutes being careful not to freak out a classroom of children. So what you're saying is it was alright for his whole nation to sit stunned and panic stricken, as long as those kids were calm.
Now stay with me here... There were TV cameras there watching the president live. All he had to do was shift in his seat slightly, turn to look into the cameras and calm a "freaking out" nation down. Did he? No he didn't!. Instead, he sat there, and when he did finally look into those cameras, he sheepishly stammered out a useless prayer that didn't stop the towers from falling, nor all those people from dying in the aftermath now did it?
As I've said many times before. If someone just walked up to me and said quote "Mr. President, the nation is under attack", I'd grab the nearest cell phone, I'd have the classroom cleared, and have it set up as a command post immediately.
Instead our president sat quitely and numbly and did nothing, live and on television, for the whole world to watch.
B. Psssst, The president had an armoured limo parked right outside, designed to and capable of better withstanding an attack on the country, than sitting in the classroom of a 30+ year old school with single-pane non-bullet proof windows, and walls that would've probably collapsed if anything bigger than a grenade went off outside.
Yeah, the secret service were certainly doing their job that day, weren't they?
"the wall came crashing down during Ronnie's watch". Sorry, the wall came down after Ronnie's conveniently timed speech, after the CIA informed him of the pending revolt in East Germany, If you were from that region as you say, you'd KNOW it'd take a hell of a long time to bring down a nation as mighty as the Soviet Union in the little amount of time it took between that speech and when the wall came down. The wall came down because of a revolt of an oppressed people due to years of being under a communist rule. Ronnie's speach made for a nice "sound bite" but the fall of the wall was long in the works before he was even elected... and he knew it before hand
By your very same logic, are we to also blame the fall of the World Trade Center on George Bush because it was during "his watch"???
As for Dan Quayle, this is the man who "Freaked out" about a fictional character on TV thinking about having an abortion, and tried to talk her out of it.
It has been a long standing tradition for decades for the press to make fun of the vice president. I'm ashamed to say that recently the stammering, stuttering, and seeming to forget what he's saying in mid-sentence, has transfered that tradition to our president instead.
I'm proud that you've become a U.S. citizen, welcome to the club my friend. You've taken several major steps that others won't. Not only do you speak English, but more difficult, you read and write english. Not many people bother when coming from another country. You can take pride in that
52 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Basically, kids, I suggest you all watch out when George Bush is reading "My Pet Goat." You all may be the goats he leads to sacrifice...
53 - Jet in Columbus
Ruvy #52 Indeed, and well put!
54 - Jet in Columbus
VoleKiller#54: Coming from an oppressed or depressed country, yes your right a newcomer would appreciate the freedoms he's gained vs what he left, while we would take them for granted because we've had them all our lives. However, while I agree with you in principle, it'd depend a lot on the biases of who teaches the immigrant about our political system.
Wouldn't you agree?
Jet
55 - Jet in Columbus
VoleKiller#56 I believe the operative phrase of your opinion above would be "Some people". In the Political state that our country is in right now, only fifty percent would agree with that view.
If the latest polls are any indication of the people's view, and strong evidence that's been presented lately to the contrary, I'd say that 70 percent disagree.
That fact that we can each freely express our opinions is the halmark strength of this country.
56 - Jet in Columbus
#58 VoleKiller. Using words like shenanigans, laughable, left-wing, abuse of power etc. lead me to believe that you're not a persone to be reasoned with.
In fact, I'd go as far as to say that your only purpose in being here is baiting me into an argument that neither side will concede.
So I won't... I respect your opinion, and your right to your opinion. All are welcome here.
Nancy, More spray please!!!!!
Obviously I have a few more terms to add to my original article.
57 - SteveS
What I see is that immigrants who have experienced real oppression look at what our left-wing calls abuse of power and laugh at them. Try to step into their shoes for a minute. We have an opposition party trying to persecute a president for trying too hard to protect the people from terrorism. To some people that would just look insane.
You are saying that immigrants who come from oppressed nations support Bush. Polls indicate otherwise. Also, Bush has the lowest approval rating of any President in history, both here and abroad.
To pull one of your sentences out of your statement:
We have an opposition party trying to persecute a president for trying too hard to protect the people from terrorism.
No, he is not being 'persecuted' to use your term, for trying to hard to protect us, but for dismal failures like a botched, illegimate war. Unsafe borders, nothing being done in regards to the immigration crisis, a bad economy for many Americans, etc.
The fact that you say he's being persecuted for trying to protect us reveals your bias because you know that is not the case.
58 - Jet in Columbus
SteveS#60 Thanks for your dialogue, but I doubt if he's listening.
Sometimes I wonder if we are.
Have we become as closeminded as them?
59 - Dan
"Dear Yuri #50. You've got a lot to learn about our president, and your new citizenship means you must learn the responsibility to "rock the boat" occasionally and exercize you own opinion. It's one of your duties to contribute your experiences to us as a whole, and not just "go with the flow""
It looks as if Yuri has already rocked someone's boat.
I doubt that Yuri has "a lot to learn" from petulant, psycho-ninnies, who are so obsessed with their deviant sexuality, and phantom oppression, that they perversely fail to recognize they are blessed with birthright membership in a land that has been the greatest force for human rights and opportunity the world has ever seen.
Yuri could probably *teach* many of us.
60 - Dave Nalle
Immigrants are known to be as a group more politically astute than the general populace, so I think lecturing Yuri for holding views you see as backwards may be a bit much.
But Dan, your comments about psycho-ninnies is completely uncalled for. Your attitude is what makes it possible for those on the left to paint the entire right as bigots, no matter how far that is from the truth for most of the reasonable right.
Dave
61 - Jet in Columbus
Dan, I'm the one who suggested he rock the boat in #51 (which I think you might need to read again) I'm the one that said that while he had the right to his opinion, and that I respected it, that it depends greatly on who taught him about our system of government and the current political environment, as to what his attitudes would be. I'm also the one who freely admitted in #61 that I might just be as closed-minded about the subject as you apparently are-at least I admit it and welcome other opinions.
You're a fine voice for the right-wing, and I'm sure that they are glad that they found you to speak for them.
I challenge you to read his comment #50, then read my reply on #51, and INTELLIGENTLY answer each one of my points. He couldn't can you?
...but that's only my opinion
62 - SteveS
Gays and lesbians face many undue hardships in this country, leading to a suicide rate among gay youth that is 5 times the national average. The FBI website tracks hate crimes among our group, oddly Dan, no one has ever been brutally assaulted for being straight. Gay people are unfairly taxed, we pay into systems that we do not get the same amount back as you do, the list is endless.
When I call this stuff oppression it is. But that does not mean it is on the level of oppression that say a woman in Saudi Arabia or the old Iraq endured.
While we are grateful that we don't face the oppression of other countries, that doesn't mean we are just going to clam up and allow our civil liberties in this country to be trampled on under the guise of religious bigotry.
There is no logic in telling Americans to just accept the violation of their liberties because other countries have less. That's not how America operates.
You don't tell a rape victim that people who are murdered have it worse. Your logic is callous and flippantly disregards the proven and documented ostracization and stigmatization that violates gay and lesbians civil liberties.
We gay and lesbians are VERY aware of our birthright in this country, for it is that birthright that enables us to not hide in fear but tell bigots like you where to stick your opinion.
63 - Yuri
Jet, you have been described as lecturing.
I do not agree, I am not in need of lecturing. I am a survivor, been there, done that, don't want to talk about it.
I learned english at a young age, I may know grammer better than many english speaking Americans, but I still have to translate in my head on many occasions. It is difficult, especially when drinking.
I appreciate everyone's kindness and thoughts regarding my life long challenge. But I do know this. I am here, I am safe, I am healthy, I am free, I am earning a good living, I am happy.
I also know that armored cars cannot withstand hand held missiles such as a LAWS or HARP or even an RPG. You are misinformed regarding the presidents limosine, it's beefed up but High Explosive compounds are very powerful.
I also know executive protection protocol, and you are misinformed in your assumptions.
I also know that the president does not jump into a phone both and turn into a superhero, they require information, both collected and analyized. I am not stupid.
64 - Yuri
and I was in Czech republic during the fall of the Berlin Wall, of course we did not know about it during the occurance. Television and radio was not broadcasting the events, until later when patriots dared to break the news.
The CCCP was broke. America outspent the the Supreme Soviet with an outlandish ruse. The Soviet was so concerned with countering the threat that they went broke dealing with the information they had acquired. The economic structure of the Soviet was weak anyway, it was pushed over the the limit by American plans to sack the bloc economically. We did not have goods and services, we did not have reliable infrastucture, we did not even have transportation. Our trucking lost 25% of crops going to market because things like the the tailgates did not close and grains leaked out. Milk rotted because refridgeration was not properly maintained. The roadways were horrible. You do not have any idea. We were not permitted to travel, and did not know how widespread this condition existed. But it was everywhere! The whole marxist concept was failed. The food lines, the lack of basic needs. Can you imagine washing on a cold morning with your visable breath and cold water? Owning 2 pairs of underwear, socks with holes, ill fitting pants, not a dungeree to be had? Can you? We grew up hard in my land. We and everyother country dominated by the Soviet grew up very poor and needing many things. Health care? What was that? You drank to feel better, medicine was not seen at the store. But neither was bread, or milk. Complain? Quietly or you would suffer. You have know idea, and I reject any insinuation that you do. You just don't know. Yet, you argue and lecture to me as if I'm the one who is out of touch. It is insulting.
65 - Jet in Columbus
steveS #65 Thanks. I'm glad there are calm heads around, because I'm going to let loose, if I don't stop for a moment and take a breath...
66 - Jet in Columbus
Yuri, giving me your inventory of socks and underwear doesn't come close to answering my question.
Bush was better off in a small armored moving target, than a large stationary building and you know it. For a foreigner you seem to know a lot about terrorists, but you definately don't know about tactics.
You still haven't answered why Bush couldn't turn to the cameras that were pointed directly at him and make a statement to the country. Any Idiot seeing two jets plowing into two adjacent buildings almost simultaneously, could figure out that that was no accident. Bush didn't need more information, nor did he need to wait until someone confirmed it, because he was too stupid to see the evidence right before his eyes live and on television. Why did he wait so long, BECAUSE HE WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO MAKE HIS DECISION FOR HIM!!! That's why.
A jet plowing into the pentagon might have given him a clue too!
Sideways moaning about leaking grain and rotten milk have nothing to do with the subject of this string, and you know it. The fact that you haven't plausibly addressed the issues that I raised in #51 proves that you can't come up with an argument, and that you know I'm right, and attempting to distract us with your storied, troubled, and possibly fictional past isn't swaying me. Nor is your inventory of hand-held shoulder fired missiles.
You can self-righteously pontificate, and vigorously demand an apology till you're blue in the face, but that only proves that I'm right about the points I made in #51.
To sum up.
Bush had no business sitting there while his country was being attacked. Solid proof, or lack of information be damned. He is our leader and even the hint of danger to this country would've sent Bill Clinton into IMMEDIATE action.
You want to smuggly compare Bush to Clinton? Have you ever seen a president take more vacation time? You had to practically pry Clinton out of the White House.
What was the deficit when Clinton left office in 2001 and what is it now?
Instead of real action during a crisis, our leader, mumbles, stutters and then goes into public prayer, instead of offering real solutions to the problem at hand.
His useless public prayers didn't stop the twin towers from falling before everyone got out.
His useless public prayers didn't help find anyone in the rubble.
His useless public prayers and irresponsible inaction didn't get jets into the air fast enough to stop an airline from crashing into the pentagon.
His useless public prayers didn't help the miners in West Virgina
His useless public prayers didn't stop Hurricane Katrina.
His useless public prayers only catered to the religious right, and made him look like a fool.
Anyone else would've taken decisive action FIRST, and prayed to thank god for his wisdom and guiding hand later, not the other way around.
Yes Yuri, you can teach us a few things alright, like standing around whining and demanding apologies when you lose control of your life, and when your feelings get hurt from a perceived lecture. You pout there at your keyboard, and instead of standing up for your own country and fighting like you should have, to make it better from within, you fled like a scared rabbit to another country.
You nicely prove the point of my original writing in spades, and I thank you for it.
But thank you so much for contributing to our little conversation here.
love Jet
67 - Dan
OK Jet, I think Yuri had already given his thoughts on why GW did what he did during the attack. But I'll give you mine:
Point A: You say the "whole nation" was stunned and "panic stricken". I wasn't. Interestingly, I was on my way to Indianapolis airport to board a United Airline flight to Las Vegas with my life partner. During a lapse in our giddy conversation, she turned on the radio. When we heard the report, I pulled off the side of the road, and we turned and headed back. It was early but we realized all flights would be cancelled. We weren't panicked.
You suggest that the President's reading of a goat story was being broadcast "live" and that he should have turned to the camera and calmed a "freaking out" nation. I don't think it was being broadcast at all. I think an obscure tape of the event was made for the future use of students and faculty, which eventually got into the hands of anti-American propagandists.
You say that, if you were GW. you would have cleared the classroom and turned it into a "command post". Why not strap on pearl handled revolvers and run out into the street firing bullets into the air like general Patton?
Thankfully, there is a strict protocol for handling this event that required the president, any president, to sit for 7 minutes and look stupid, to you, while qualified people performed their roles to get the president into a position to perform his.
Point B: I guess your saying that Reagan had nothing to do with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Please give it up. The most memorable event for me was when Reagan walked out on the SALT talks. Reagan wasn't going to compromise, and that pissed the liberal media offfffff. They were wrong, he was right. I was a liberal before Ronald Reagan, but I bought in to what he was selling. When he bluffed the commies with strategic air defense (and unprecedented defense spending) I assumed it was true. The most intelligent people come here. And it's plausible that that type of technology would be possible. When the Soviets finally folded, it was because of Conservatives. Not Liberals. If you can't thank Reagan, at least you can thank conservatives.
Dave, I've never been edited for personal attacks. I'm proud of it. I've suffered personal attacks that have been edited, but it's never bothered me. (so I havn't really suffered). I think "psycho-ninnies" is harsh, however, I'm going to let it stand only as a reflection on me, and not as a reflection on the "reasonable right" such as yourself.
68 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Jet, reread what Dave Nalle said about the astuteness of immigrants. And then reread it again.
He didn't have it as hard as my own dad did 90 years ago when the Germans invaded Russia-Poland, but he didn't go through any cakewalks when Gorbachev's perestroika and Reagan's spending bluffs brought about the end of the Soviet Union.
Yuri, just a thought for you - not a pleasant one, but not lecturing by any means. You dealt with a rough time in Russia and now that you are an American citizen, you might be inclined to think that the troubles are all over. That is a reasonable inclination.
Your new nation may be in for one hell of a time in the not too distant futre. So don't forget all those survival skills you learned in Russia. You may very well need them again.
69 - SteveS
Thankfully, there is a strict protocol for handling this event that required the president, any president, to sit for 7 minutes and look stupid
Sounds like something only a secretary of defense like Rumsfeld would concoct.
If the school building was under attack, would the President have had to sit there stupidly for 7 minutes as well while everybody got into their battle stations? What exactly is it that he waited 7 minutes for, for everybody to do, before he could act? Get in the car and leave? Because that's what he did.
however, I'm going to let it stand only as a reflection on me
Call someone an insulting name and then play the martyr for it. Bill O'Reilly would be proud.
70 - SteveS
Your new nation may be in for one hell of a time in the not too distant futre. So don't forget all those survival skills you learned in Russia. You may very well need them again.
care to elaborate? For two years, here in the comment section, I've been saying we're heading for either civil war (haves vs. have nots) or an economic collapse and get called chicken little for it. I'd love to hear you elaborate.
71 - Dan
Steve:"Gays and lesbians face many undue hardships in this country, leading to a suicide rate among gay youth that is 5 times the national average."
You confuse persecution with mental instablility. I had a bi-sexual friend who commited suicide. It wasn't because of his sexual orientation. Or at least it wasn't because he was persecuted for his sexual orientation. He was just plainly depressed. He was well liked, yet unhappy. He was a good singer. He had lot's of things going for him, and nobody that mattered to him, including me, held his sexuality against him.
"You don't tell a rape victim that people who are murdered have it worse. "
What if the rape victim tells you that they've had it worse.
"We gay and lesbians are VERY aware of our birthright in this country, for it is that birthright that enables us to not hide in fear but tell (bigots like you) where to stick your opinion"
You've violated the personal attack comment policy, yet I'm not offended, (and don't expect you to be edited) Just remember I don't condemn you.
72 - SteveS
You've violated the personal attack comment policy,
well then that makes us even. You tell a gay man that a gay orientation is mental instability. Sounds like a far more insulting attack than just telling you where to stick it.
73 - Dan
Steve, please be honest, you called me a bigot, not "where to stick it".
yet, I expect that from you. Name calling is all you've got.
I only say that gay orientation is positively correlated with mental instability. Of course you'll say that it's because of persecution. But then, that serves your purpose. It's a cause and effect thing.
74 - SteveS
and for the record, and to the editor...I never told anybody where to stick it, I just said in this country we have that freedom. I can't help it if someone's imagination runs rampant with comments like that.
However, telling a gay person that being gay is due to mental instability IS a personal attack without mistake and far more vitrolic than I've been accused of.
75 - SteveS
I only say that gay orientation is positively correlated with mental instability.
So you disagree with 100% of all medical establishments out there, like the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Pediatric Association, etc. etc. ad infinitum.
Being so close minded is the definition of a bigot, correct? Whatever. Remove the 'like yourself' phrase from the comment if you need, the point is still clearly there for all to see.