RJ Elliott is a three-time graduate of the University of Central Florida. His passions in life are sports, politics, and nature. He dislikes daytime television, anti-American dictators, and people who talk like Garrison Keillor. …
Lately, the conservative side has been telling us to 'listen' to rural America. Well, perhaps it would work best if both sides listened to each other. I didn't see anything other than dissent in any of those photos, and only the burning of the effigy was a bit much, the rest looked like a lot of people who take their civil liberties very seriously. I'm sure they don't expect you to understand. Perhaps, instead of recoiling in horror at the photos, you should be congratulating the great uniter.
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RJ
Nov 05, 2004 at 6:13 am
That's the Left's problem, BCB. They see nothing wrong with such sentiments as:
"FUCK MIDDLE AMERICA"
"Can We Secede Already?"
"BUSH = SATAN"
"IMMIGRANTS AGAINST DEMOCRACY"
"I am ashamed to be an American"
"NO BLOOD FOR ISRAEL"
"Investigate the CIA for 9-11"
"No to war for capitalist profits!"
...and the burning of the American flag.
I am unsurprised you offer praise for these loons.
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SFC Ski
Nov 05, 2004 at 6:46 am
It is not merely Bush they have a problem with, it is Middle America. When large groups of people have protests like this in Des Moines, I'll worry.
I love San Francisco, and I wouldn't want it or its inhabitants to change, but that is why they went to SF in the first place, it is a great city that attracts a lot of people who were not happy in flyover country and moved. It attracts more of the same and so it goes.
I'm not sure why anyone would expect a city with a large gay population to not feel like saying "fuck middle America" right now, since that is precisely what has been said to them BY middle America. Or haven't you heard? The red middle states and the conservative party are saying the election is a victory for and by middle America and their values, a.k.a, the anti-gay agenda.
Until the people in middle America realize that as a majority, they should not use that majority -- as their ancestors have done before them -- to deny equal access to the American dream to a specific minority, they will continue to hear and see some outrage.
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empath
Nov 05, 2004 at 8:17 am
The left goes nuts in SF? What about the people on the right who terrorize abortion clinics and the women who use them? What about the right-wingers who protest gay rights events by holding signs that say "God hates fags", and have slogans like "Matthew Sheppard has been in Hell for X days"? Get off your ridiculous moral high-horse and take a look at the fringe on the right if you want to see some serious hate and intolerance.
RJ, First, I will again challenge you to give me some stats regarding your comments on my blog yesterday. Second, as vile as you may see these images the great thing about them is that this can only happen in America. Our citizens right to stand up and say "FUCK BUSH" without getting our fingers chopped off or our wife raped or our children hung is the greatest thing on this earth. THIS is the basis of our country. EVERYONE in this country has a right to their opinion and when right wing, opinionated fanatics such as yourself start placing moral judgments on society then YOU my friend are the one that is wrong. The law in this country is that we are allowed to do pretty much whatever we want just as long as we don't kill or hurt anyone mentally or physically or break any existing laws. You are not the law and if I want to make a statement that this country is WHACKED by burning an American flag (not that I would) then I have every right in the world to do so. And THAT is a beautiful thing baby. THAT is what the left stands up for. They stand up for your sorry whining ass so you can sit behind there and stab them in the back on the internet. STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS ON SORRY, SAD, PATHETIC PEOPLE LIKE THIS WILL RISE UP AND STEAL THEM AWAY! Just talk to the gays about that. The majority does not rule in this country my friend. The constitution does. Get used to it or YOU can leave the country.
here's an example of 'vile' behavior on the right:
in manchester, new hampshire, during the last couple of days before the election somebody went around dropping handfuls of roofing nails in the driveways of people having kerry/edwards signs on their lawns.
there are nutjobs on both sides of the line in this country.
- While these loons obviously have the right to make asses of themselves, their behavior is counter-productive. Maybe 20% of the country finds such "street theater" to be amusing or even endearing, the other 80% of America finds it disturbing. Your side loses potential supporters through such public displays of idiocy. And then you lose elections. Like this last one. :-D
- I never said they did not have the right to free speech. I support their freedom of speech. And the same First Amendment that allows them to burn the American flag and compare our President to the Devil gives me the freedom to criticize/mock them for doing so.
I'd imagine that it must be a horrible life, waking up every morning knowing that a loathsome, slimy mind is as good as it's going to get for the rest of the day.
But maybe it's different looking out than it appears to be from the outside.
RJ, just because someone voices their opinion does not make them a liberal. Especially when it is aimed at our leadership. Arguing with you is pointless and until you come up with an opinion and a point to your posts you will be in the minority on this site. Especially when you call people pointy head liberals when you have no friggin' idea. Turn off Limbaugh and get out off Ann Coulter's bitch podium and come back to the middle where we all belong.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
- Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918
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Gee Dubs
Nov 05, 2004 at 1:31 pm
Just what do you expect from a group of sexually disenfranchised citizens?
C'mon, can't you just let RJ wank to his pornography in peace? Obviously the vile little creature has nothing else.
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Eric Olsen
Nov 05, 2004 at 2:48 pm
PLEASE - I have had to edit a bunch of nonsense from this thread. Let us strive to refrain from personal insults. I really have much better things to do
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SFC Ski
Nov 05, 2004 at 2:56 pm
I think some people are forgetting that not all of San Francisco is gay, but it is definitely comprised of a larger amount of "outsiders" if you will, those who do not identify with many of the tenetes and values of the mainstream, if such a thing exists.
It's nice to know that posters can compare our President to Hitler and a retarded monkey, and it's par for the course, but if I point out that Ms. Edwards is a little bit "broad of beam" that is apparently beyond the pale.
Jesus...
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Eric Olsen
Nov 05, 2004 at 6:10 pm
RJ, subtlety counts - when four separate people complain publicly and privately about a single comment, there is no choice. You said the same thing much more tactfully above. Don't you realize this is game?
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Dawn
Nov 05, 2004 at 6:29 pm
RJ, I am not sure what relevance her physical appearance has on anything, not to mention the fact that as far as I recollect she hasn't done one negative thing at any point in the campaign. She seems like a really nice lady and a good mom -
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— go to most recent comments1 - boomcrashbaby
Lately, the conservative side has been telling us to 'listen' to rural America. Well, perhaps it would work best if both sides listened to each other. I didn't see anything other than dissent in any of those photos, and only the burning of the effigy was a bit much, the rest looked like a lot of people who take their civil liberties very seriously. I'm sure they don't expect you to understand. Perhaps, instead of recoiling in horror at the photos, you should be congratulating the great uniter.
2 - RJ
That's the Left's problem, BCB. They see nothing wrong with such sentiments as:
"FUCK MIDDLE AMERICA"
"Can We Secede Already?"
"BUSH = SATAN"
"IMMIGRANTS AGAINST DEMOCRACY"
"I am ashamed to be an American"
"NO BLOOD FOR ISRAEL"
"Investigate the CIA for 9-11"
"No to war for capitalist profits!"
...and the burning of the American flag.
I am unsurprised you offer praise for these loons.
3 - SFC Ski
It is not merely Bush they have a problem with, it is Middle America. When large groups of people have protests like this in Des Moines, I'll worry.
I love San Francisco, and I wouldn't want it or its inhabitants to change, but that is why they went to SF in the first place, it is a great city that attracts a lot of people who were not happy in flyover country and moved. It attracts more of the same and so it goes.
4 - bhw
I'm not sure why anyone would expect a city with a large gay population to not feel like saying "fuck middle America" right now, since that is precisely what has been said to them BY middle America. Or haven't you heard? The red middle states and the conservative party are saying the election is a victory for and by middle America and their values, a.k.a, the anti-gay agenda.
Until the people in middle America realize that as a majority, they should not use that majority -- as their ancestors have done before them -- to deny equal access to the American dream to a specific minority, they will continue to hear and see some outrage.
5 - empath
The left goes nuts in SF? What about the people on the right who terrorize abortion clinics and the women who use them? What about the right-wingers who protest gay rights events by holding signs that say "God hates fags", and have slogans like "Matthew Sheppard has been in Hell for X days"? Get off your ridiculous moral high-horse and take a look at the fringe on the right if you want to see some serious hate and intolerance.
6 - bhw
Don't get too worked up, empath. RJ is known for Chicken Little-style hyperbole when it comes to denigrating the Left.
7 - empath
clearly.
8 - Yensid
RJ, First, I will again challenge you to give me some stats regarding your comments on my blog yesterday. Second, as vile as you may see these images the great thing about them is that this can only happen in America. Our citizens right to stand up and say "FUCK BUSH" without getting our fingers chopped off or our wife raped or our children hung is the greatest thing on this earth. THIS is the basis of our country. EVERYONE in this country has a right to their opinion and when right wing, opinionated fanatics such as yourself start placing moral judgments on society then YOU my friend are the one that is wrong. The law in this country is that we are allowed to do pretty much whatever we want just as long as we don't kill or hurt anyone mentally or physically or break any existing laws. You are not the law and if I want to make a statement that this country is WHACKED by burning an American flag (not that I would) then I have every right in the world to do so. And THAT is a beautiful thing baby. THAT is what the left stands up for. They stand up for your sorry whining ass so you can sit behind there and stab them in the back on the internet. STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS ON SORRY, SAD, PATHETIC PEOPLE LIKE THIS WILL RISE UP AND STEAL THEM AWAY! Just talk to the gays about that. The majority does not rule in this country my friend. The constitution does. Get used to it or YOU can leave the country.
9 - Mark Saleski
here's an example of 'vile' behavior on the right:
in manchester, new hampshire, during the last couple of days before the election somebody went around dropping handfuls of roofing nails in the driveways of people having kerry/edwards signs on their lawns.
there are nutjobs on both sides of the line in this country.
it's friggin' scary.
10 - RJ
Yensid:
Two points:
- While these loons obviously have the right to make asses of themselves, their behavior is counter-productive. Maybe 20% of the country finds such "street theater" to be amusing or even endearing, the other 80% of America finds it disturbing. Your side loses potential supporters through such public displays of idiocy. And then you lose elections. Like this last one. :-D
- I never said they did not have the right to free speech. I support their freedom of speech. And the same First Amendment that allows them to burn the American flag and compare our President to the Devil gives me the freedom to criticize/mock them for doing so.
Get it?
11 - Hal Pawluk
Your post, RJ, tells me more about you and the right than about the left.
I'm sure that not even you "in your hearts of hearts" think that the "Black Bloq" is representative of those who disagree with you.
Yet you continue the name calling, the guilt by association smears, the derogation.
Now that the election is over, these aren't the acts of a right wing partisan; they're the acts of a nasty little weasel.
I've seen the same elsewhere, so it looks like the "uniting" is going to be four years of "My way or the highway."
That's now The American Way.
12 - RJ
"I'm sure that not even you "in your hearts of hearts" think that the "Black Bloq" is representative of those who disagree with you."
Not at all. But the other Leftist loons in those photographs are a pretty accurate depiction of the fringe kooks that hate our President.
13 - RJ
"Now that the election is over, these aren't the acts of a right wing partisan; they're the acts of a nasty little weasel."
Hey, Hal "Zogby" Pawluk: Whatever happened to Kerry winning by 6 points?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
14 - Hal Pawluk
If you could look past the sloganeering and lies of the administration you would see that America lost.
But the piper is standing just out of sight, tuning up his instrument.
Get your checkbook ready.
15 - RJ
My checkbook's never been fatter.
16 - Hal Pawluk
Ever the gratuitous, creepy insults, RJ.
I'd imagine that it must be a horrible life, waking up every morning knowing that a loathsome, slimy mind is as good as it's going to get for the rest of the day.
But maybe it's different looking out than it appears to be from the outside.
17 - Mark Saleski
comment #15: yet another comment that makes me proud to be a blogcritic.
18 - Yensid
RJ, just because someone voices their opinion does not make them a liberal. Especially when it is aimed at our leadership. Arguing with you is pointless and until you come up with an opinion and a point to your posts you will be in the minority on this site. Especially when you call people pointy head liberals when you have no friggin' idea. Turn off Limbaugh and get out off Ann Coulter's bitch podium and come back to the middle where we all belong.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
- Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918
19 - Gee Dubs
Just what do you expect from a group of sexually disenfranchised citizens?
20 - Jim Carruthers
C'mon, can't you just let RJ wank to his pornography in peace? Obviously the vile little creature has nothing else.
21 - Eric Olsen
PLEASE - I have had to edit a bunch of nonsense from this thread. Let us strive to refrain from personal insults. I really have much better things to do
22 - SFC Ski
I think some people are forgetting that not all of San Francisco is gay, but it is definitely comprised of a larger amount of "outsiders" if you will, those who do not identify with many of the tenetes and values of the mainstream, if such a thing exists.
23 - RJ
I see my Ms. Edwards comment was erased. Cute.
It's nice to know that posters can compare our President to Hitler and a retarded monkey, and it's par for the course, but if I point out that Ms. Edwards is a little bit "broad of beam" that is apparently beyond the pale.
Jesus...
24 - Eric Olsen
RJ, subtlety counts - when four separate people complain publicly and privately about a single comment, there is no choice. You said the same thing much more tactfully above. Don't you realize this is game?
25 - Dawn
RJ, I am not sure what relevance her physical appearance has on anything, not to mention the fact that as far as I recollect she hasn't done one negative thing at any point in the campaign. She seems like a really nice lady and a good mom -