Investigator and independent reporter, David Bedein stated the obvious in a video interview – that the "leaders" in Israel do not understand democracy.
According to this article in Haaretz, Security Minister Barak has 30 days to attempt to cause Jews in the Peace House to leave, after which it will be forcibly evacuated. Also according to this article, Aryeh Eldad of the National Union Party warned, "Anyone who tries to raise a hand at the peace house in Hebron will long for Amona, and will find that Amona was nothing," referring to the violent riots that accompanied the government's evacuation and destruction of 'Amona in Samaria.
It appears that a season of violent confrontations await the police and the "government" of Israel which is demonstrating to one and all that the rule of law is worthless in the Zionist Entity, and that the Hebrew saying "this is not a state of law, it’s a joke of a state" is all too true.
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— go to most recent comments1 - Ruvy
UPDATE....UPDATE....UPDATE....UPDATE....UPDATE
There is a clock ticking on this issue. the Security Ministry, acting to enforce according to the High Court order, stated that if within thirty days the residents of the Peace House on trhe worhipers way between Qirya 'Arba and Hevrón do not evacuate, it will evacuate them by force.
In reality, what this means is that within thirty days the government will act with force to expel the legal residents of the Peace House from their homes. That can occur at any moment, and the government will attempt to act by surprise.
In this case, surprise may be a little difficult to achieve. The first likely act is to declare the area around the peace House a "closed military zone". This can accomplished with relatively little effort on the part of the army and police, and can cut off the supporters of the residents by making it hard for them to get to the Peace House.
Therefore, the former mayor of Kedumim, Daniella Weiss, has called on supporters to come en masse immediately according to this story published 22:17 last night at Arutz Sheva,. This is a video and may require some of you to install software to see.
2 - Ruvy
This is the take on Bet haShalom from the Jerusalem Post, which used to be a relatively objective newspaper. In other news, Jewish residents of Judea are feeding the Arabs a dose of their own medicine of vandalism and hate, scrawling "Mohammed is a pig" in a Moslem cesmetery, and attacking Arabs as well.
3 - Ruvy
Bit by bit, nationalists are beginning to display teeth in their determination not to be further bullied by the secular traitors ru(i)ning Israel. There were clashes with soldiers after the government's goons (Yassam) destroyed part of the security fence near Nevei Tzuf. In addition, a boycott of Channel 2 and Yediot AHronot is going to begin to display to Israeli media that we do not have to buy the shit that they hustle. Those who incite against us will pay from the wallet.
Slowly, this is all leading to the next step. Once that step is taken, things may change rapidly here.
4 - Mark Schannon
Ruvy, when before in history has a country that won land by military force (1967) felt the full force of international might to give it back? Should the so-called English (most of whom are really Bretons) give England back to the Saxons, who'd have to give it back to the Picts (whomever?)
Should the U.S. give the native Americans all their land back?
Oh, but what happened in Israel was only a few years ago, say the righteous.
On the other hand, you know how torn I am by all this...not because I think your claims are illegitimate but because Israel needs peace--whatever the hell that means--more than anything else, and I fear there will never be peace under your vision.
Surely, some of this is pure anti-Semitism, regardless of what the pro-Arab supporters say, but that doesn't explain all of it. Look at Africa and the world's crocodile tears over the slaughter there. Or the Killing Fields of Cambodia.
When the King of Saudi Arabia leads a U.N. meeting on religious freedom, what can one say but that, as my blog proclaims, Parodies are Lost. I wouldn't have even thought of writing something such as that--too bizarre even for parody.
At times I really do feel your rage--which has been spilling over perhaps too freely into comments--but I can't see a successful end game.
If I knew more Yiddish, I'd say, bon chance. Instead, I'll just rely on Oy Vey.
Oh...and only the faithful will read a story this long, my friend! Edit, edit, edit, LOL.
In Jameson Veritas
5 - Ruvy
Mark, my friend,
Peace? Have you lived with war, that you know what peace is? I don't mean war in some far off country; I mean war next door.
My younger son will be grabbed of into the army here. Do you know what the generals do to the soldiers here? They treat them like dogs, and send the religious ones into ambushes to be killed. That is what happened in Lebanaon in Sultan Yukub. And the commander was named Ehud Barak.
That bastard should have his neck stretched with a rope.
Mark, once the IDF was a soldier's army, now it's the army of the left wing oligarchs trying their best to make sure the "faithful" - believers like me, like my son - do not get any power.
Look at the incitement of the left wing in this country against the nationalists, believers like me. Do you know the story of Hanukkah, Mark? If you do not, go back and read my very fist article here at Blogcritics Magazine, Hanukkah, Judaism's Most Important Holiday. Reread it. Hanukkah is the reflection of the civil war between the "faithful" like me, and the "faithless" who ruled the nation.
When Matatyahu (Matthew, for those of you who cannot handle all those syllables in Hebrew) Hashmonai ran his sword through a Jew sacrificing a pig at a Greek idol, he not only committed murder, he committed an act of rebellion against the ruling authorities, ruling Jewish authorities who wanted to abandon Judaism. We see the same thing happening today in Israel. Until this "Jewish" contamination is removed, there can be no peace.
Mark, it is all that simple.
6 - zingzing
ruvy, why did you move your sons to a place where the leaders of that place will lead them to their deaths?
don't you think removing them from that possibility would be the best thing for their future?
if what you say is really true, then move. obviously, israel is no more kind to your's than nearly any other place i can think of. if you let your son go into that...
just leave, if that's true.
7 - Ruvy
ruvy, why did you move your sons to a place where the leaders of that place will lead them to their deaths?
That is a damned good question, zing. The truth is I didn't know at the time, and I honestly thought that a "peace" agreement would happen, and that it would seriously lessen the chance of my kids dying in war. At the time, I was far more of a peacenik than I am now.
At the time, I bought all the bullshit about "peace", and didn't understand fully the implications of the overwhelming American influence on the government and events here.
By the time I did, there was nothing for us to return to in the States. I had made my bed, and now I would have to sleep in it, no matter how many nails popped out of the mattress to stab me in the heart.
We didn't make a mistake. We did the right thing for the boys, and we live full lives here. But full lives entail more sacrifice than empty ones, and that is the risk and the price that one pays for seeking a full life, a life lived with a sense of meaning to it. It can be full of joy - and also be full of tears.
8 - Dr Dreadful
Should the so-called English (most of whom are really Bretons)
Whut??!!??!!??
Look, in a nutshell, the first inhabitants of Britain were probably the neolithic peoples who were responsible for Stonehenge and suchlike artifacts. No-one knows where the hell they came from, but it seems those who settled in Scotland eventually became the Picts. All these folks were invaded by the Celts, who in turn were invaded by the Saxons and various other groups from northern Germany, who in turn were invaded by Vikings. Just when all these groups had settled down and mishmashed together they were invaded by the Normans, who were the last people to successfully invade by force. A few hundred years later the Neolithic-Celtic-Saxon-Viking-Norman hybrid that is the British people decided they missed all that fun invading they used to do, and built an Empire. Those they conquered have been peacably invading us right back ever since.
So who are the true Britons? Probably everyone...
As for the Bretons, they actually left England to get away from the Saxons, who had BO and couldn't read. They never did anyone any harm.
9 - Ruvy
zing,
I guess I should add that full lives can also be full of contentment - and, as you unfortunately see, full of rage as well.
10 - zingzing
ruvy: "I had made my bed, and now I would have to sleep in it, no matter how many nails popped out of the mattress to stab me in the heart."
it's not just your bed though. you've lived a life. your sons have not. apparently, they're still fairly young.
11 - Ruvy
it's not just your bed though. you've lived a life. your sons have not. apparently, they're still fairly young.
Our sons prefer it here. For them, it's not a matter of having to lie in a bed, as it is for me and my wife. Israel is almost 50% of their lifetimes and they are Israelis. For them, this is home in a far deeper sense than it ever can be for my wife and I. There are things they liked about the United States - like Pop Tarts, for example, or Breyers Ice Cream.
But they are used to the week starting on Sunday and ending on Thursday; they are used to a normative Jewish culture, even one where the rulers dislike religious Jews. They spread chocolate on their bread, like Israeli kids do, eat shwarma and falafel, like Israeli kids do, and speak Hebrew - like Israeli kids do.
For them, the army is a fact of life; the treasonous behavior of the government is a fact of life. Terrorism is just another risk they take every day, and the bus not running on time or being short of eqipment, is just the run of the mill stuff for them.
They've lived in America and liked it - but their lives and friends are here. And the friends they have made, I'm proud to say, are not the kind of kids who are always hankering to get a green card to live in the States.
And they are almost fully grown men.
For all the risks of death that remain, my wife and I may have succeeded in planting firm roots in our ancient homeland, zing.
12 - zingzing
well, i, the same as most americans, don't even have an "ancient homeland." my family is split between finland and luxembourg, and in either place, i would feel as foreign as i do here in new york, as i did in seattle, as i did in england and as i did where i came from, where i born into a midwestern household even though i lived in the south.
where my blood was the last time your blood lived in your "ancient homeland," i don't know.
you and i come at life a different way, to say the least. i don't need roots or a homeland. i go where the hell i want. you went, at least to some degree, where you figured your people were wanted. or commanded to go, or some nonsense.
i can respect your answer to my question. if your children feel at home there and know no different, and if they want to be there and face all that comes with that, then that's where they should be.
me? i'd get the hell out of there. it seems like a bum deal. dealing with being forced on the front line to fight against crappy terrorism for a crumbling desert does not sound like my cup of tea. i'm sure there's more to it than that. and i'm a big fan of history... but i don't want to become it just to protect it.
13 - Ruvy
i'm sure there's more to it than that. and i'm a big fan of history... but i don't want to become it just to protect it.
That is the difference between you and me, zing. You're a fan. I'm in the game, a game I never thought I'd be in. So get back to your seat in the bleachers, and stop throwing the rotten tomatoes. You never know; I might just be playing on your side.
In history, it's really hard to tell the guys with the black hats from the guys with the white ones.
14 - Ruvy
zing,
By the way. Last week's Torah reading had to do with Abraham being called to sacrifice his son on Mount Moriah. That's what you and I have been writing about these last couple of conments.
This week's Torah portion deals with - wait for it - Abraham's purchase of the cave at MaHpela and the field adjacent to it for 400 silver shekels of negotiable currency: over $1 million in today's money. Go look at the top of the article...
15 - zingzing
"That is the difference between you and me, zing. You're a fan. I'm in the game, a game I never thought I'd be in. So get back to your seat in the bleachers, and stop throwing the rotten tomatoes. "
not all history is violent, ruvy. although it might seem so from your perspective... i'm playing the game as much as you are. maybe i'm just better at strategy.
16 - Christopher Rose
Am I the only one that finds it odd that, whatever Ruvy says, it always places him and the others with whom he agrees at the centre of the story rather than the periphery?
He probably thinks it is all ordained by a higher power, but I find it a particularly ugly demonstration of narcissism, egocentricity and, most of all, bigotry. Nasty stuff...
17 - zingzing
it is amazing how often comment threads head towards israel when he gets involved.
it's just the name of the game.
but, chris, did you notice there's a sports argument going on? and it's about england vs. u.s. vs. australia! go knock some heads! i'm sure that england's sports are the best...
18 - Ruvy
zing,
not all history is violent, ruvy, although it might seem so from your perspective...
You're very right - not all history is violent. But at certain times and in certain places, it is. This is one of those times and I live in one of those places.
The violence has hit you, only in a different way. Your economy is undergoing a violent change. A few minutes ago, a friend of mine who had been in Westchester for a couple of months watching over his sickly aged father called me up before the Sabbath (it's going on 16:00 here and the Sabbath comes in at 16:15).
I told him about how the Dow had shed 10% of its "weight" in the last two days and he told me about his experiences in three airports: Kennedy, Heathrow and Lod. All were astonishingly empty, he said. He bought juice or coffee in Kennedy and Heathrow, asking the counterperson each time if business was normally like that. Each time he was told they had never seen anything like it. They had never seen their places of businesses so empty, so lacking in traffic. My friend then told me about Lod Airport (Ben-Gurion). People were coming in, he said. Virtually nobody was leaving.
i'm playing the game as much as you are. maybe i'm just better at strategy.
We're told in the Bible that in the End of Days we should hide ourselves in a small room, shut the door behind us and wait for the unpleasantness to pass. The rabbis interpret this (for Jews) as meaning "COME HOME!". Israel is that "small room". Israelis are inveterate travellers, zing. They are staying home.
The economy here has not been good and the papers warn of bad tidings after the next holiday ends (first warning after Sukkot; now it will be after Hanukkah). But things here have been remarkably stable. There have been layoffs, but nothing like what you read about in the American financial pages. The shekel has dropped because the Bank of Israel has been buying up every spare dollar that is floating around, driving the dollar up and the shekel down. And lately, the dollar has gone up against the euro and sterling.
Inevitably, though, the pressure on the American economy will drive the dollar down. At first the Bank of Israel will buy them up like cheap hotcakes. But at some point, the Bank of Israel will dump its dollars as everyone else does the same.
Even the America-worshipers in the secular economy in Israel, and all the religious pishke shakers who run to the States to raise money when they run short, will shut the door behind them and hope the unpleasantness passes.
But you said you had "gotten the message"; that you didn't want me to throw rocks at you, so I won't. I understand.
Instead I wish you a good Sabbath, or as your neighbors in the black coats and beards might say "a goot shabbes"
19 - Christopher Rose
zingzing, yes, England's sports are the best, but we're not always the best at them!
However, if this is a sports argument, it is going right over my head, rather like anything Ruvy posts these days. Are you guys developing a parallel universe or something?
20 - Dr Dreadful
The sports argument is on the socia1ism thread, Chris.
I know - go figure...!
21 - Mark Schannon
Christopher, the article is about Israel so why are you surprised that Ruvy's arguing from his POV?
Ruvy, o.k., help a bear of little brain here. I know you see two enemies: the current Israeli administration & the Arabs. It sounds like your primary opponent is your own government, which, I confess, is beginning to make ours look almost tolerable.
But say you somehow wound up with the government you wanted. That would lead to further expansion of territory to include all land you believe is the original Israel. How in the world are you going to do that without pulling the wrath of the entire Arab & Muslim world upon you? Not to mention being abandoned by the west (which I know you don't care about, but, let's face it, you do need the money & arms.)
I can't figure out what your successful endgame is. Maybe there isn't one.
Whatever, if I prayed, I'd offer lots of prayers to you-know-who to protect your sons.
BTW, you may not have to worry about all this if my predictions in my unread article over in culture come true. O.k., here we go trying to do the link stuff: The Non-White Man's Burden - God's Vengeance
Hey, I think it worked!
In Jameson Veritas
22 - Ruvy
Mark,
Ruvy, o.k., help a bear of little brain here....but say you somehow wound up with the government you wanted. That would lead to further expansion of territory to include all land you believe is the original Israel. How in the world are you going to do that without pulling the wrath of the entire Arab & Muslim world upon you? Not to mention being abandoned by the west (which I know you don't care about, but, let's face it, you do need the money & arms.)
There is a strategy to accomplish my goals. It's not something I can discuss here.
There is no issue of "pulling the wrath of the entire Arab & Muslim world upon you" - that is already a given.
Second of all, one does not use the weapons that would be bought from "friends" like the United States.
In addition, any strategy of accomplishing this has to be done without committing large numbers of soldiers. Strike forces of the kind that Stan Denham has dicussed repeatedly here need to be used.
Finally, and this is the most important point of all, one has to entirely ignore the big ego, big checkbook, big mouth "Zionists" in America who think they know what is good for this country, in addition to ignoring the scumbags from "J-Street". These people are as bad as the secular traitors here, only adding ignorance and stupidity to typical Jewish stubbornness.
The security of the only Jewish entity in the world is not something one discusses at a kiddush table.
23 - Ruvy
These statements by ex IDF Chief of Staff Ya'alon, as reported at Arutz Sheva, cut through all the bullshit blathered about by the "J Street" types and others (including Sarah Palin) about a "two state solution" .
Let's pay attention to reality, something that Rahm Emanuel needs to understand very clearly, and something that his rich friends in Tel Aviv will not tell him.
The bottom line, as far as the Arab terrorists (empowered by the Labor Zionists in Israel) is that there is no legitimate Jewish state. It is a waste of time negotiating with them. We're better off arresting the lot of them and executing them as rebels, for leading a rebellion on sovereign Jewish land.
Either the State asserts its sovereignty over this entire country as having arisen in international law and enforces that assertion militarily - or it falls.
This applies to ther Temple Mount, Hebron, the Peace House on the worshipers' way, the Cave of MaHpela, as it applies to Ma'ale Levona - and especially to the People's Republic of Tel Aviv.
It is that simple.
We either enforce our claims - or watch as others destroy our country peice-meal.
24 - Ruvy
As of 12:51: Police, IDF Ready if Peace House Jews Don't Agree to Go
According to Arutz Sheva Avi Dichter is making clear that there will be a forcible eviction of the legal residents of the Peace House on the Worshipers' Way near Hebron. Is this where the "next step" is taken?
25 - Mark Schannon
You might consider, my friend, that not all outsiders (American supporters of Israel) fit that category of fat cat Zionist money bags.
And...sometimes advice from the outside can help those embroiled in something so difficult and all consuming that they can fail to adapt strategies to changing situations. It's the old forest/trees issue.
I'm not one to offer advice since I'm confused by just about everything in the world these days...maybe it'd be a good thing for the Messiah to come soon & start over or do whatever it is He plans to do. Couldn't be worse than the mess we've gotten ourselves into.
But you're acting like you have no friends at all except those in your cabal (intentional use of a maybe inappropriate word.) Is it really "my way or the highway?" Can't well meaning people disagree?
As a wise man once wrote, "When all you can hear is yourself, you've gone deaf."
Oh well, at least we'll always have Paris.
In Jameson Veritas