The "leaders" in Israel do not understand democracy. This is not a state of law, it’s a joke of a state.
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26 - Ruvy
Nark,
Crisis/risk/issues management and communications and PR consultant, free-lance writer, aspiring pundit and author.
This does not sound like a "Zionist money-bag" to me. Please do not take this personally - it was certainly not aimed at you, or at all the not so rich, but good-hearted Jews overseas who support our struggle to exist. Remember, I was once one of these people.
It's not an issue of "my way or the highway". When two Jews get together, you generally get three or more opinions. But, if you believe in G-d and His commandments, particularly the ones concerning coming home as part of the Redemption, certain concepts stand firm in spite of all the arguing, screaming, table-pounding and "I know it better than you" attitudes that seem to pervade Jewish meetings.
1. One does not divide the Land.
2. One does not relent on the claims to the Land.
3. One does not retreat from territory that is G-d-given, and which forms the corpus of the Jewish homeland. These places are Jerusalem, Hebron, Tzfat, Bethlehem. Sh'khem, Be'ersheva. Nota bene. Tel Aviv, Haifa and Acco are not part of this group and can be theoretically dispensed with, though doing so would violate points 1 & 2, supra.
In my comments here, I have avoided the G-d given claim. Jewish rights of sovereignty to all of the Land of Israel arise as matters of international law, international law which has been violated repeatedly. The referenced article is a difficult read, but worth looking at.
But you're acting like you have no friends at all except those in your cabal (intentional use of a maybe inappropriate word.) Is it really "my way or the highway?" Can't well meaning people disagree?
When I was preparing to move here, I managed to get on a "how to" list that was supposed to explain how many Israelis it takes to change a light bulb, which bureaucrat to go to make sure that the kippa showed in the identity card, how to open a bank account, how to get a loan, how to get an interest-free loan, and how to get health insurance (and free passes to the sex shop in the binyan klal on Jaffa Road), etc. etc.
You can bet your last bagel that daily, arguments broke out over politics and religion, the two no-no topics. Some of them lasted for sixty e-mails or more. When these arguments broke out, I kept my mouth shut and paid careful attention to the Israeli residents on the list.
The bottom line is that while people of good will (Jews even) can disagree, YOUR ass is not on the line HERE. That is meant in a very visceral way.
This evening, I stood guard at a hitchhiker's spot in Jerusalem a few hundred meters from where an Arab managed to kill 8 yeshiva students earlier this (Christian) year. The possibility that another Arab will open fire on a crowd of Jews is something that all of us live with, even if we do not talk about it very much. And for the most part, we do not talk about it at all. We have too many other things to argue and fight over.
BUT THE AWARENESS IS STILL THERE, DEEP IN THE GUT.
You, by contrast, have other potential problems that I can no longer accurately discern, having lived here for over seven years.
This is something that you should bear in mind. I certainly bore it in mind in writing about the Minnesota race for senate. While I lived there for over 20 years, the place is different from the one I left seven years ago. There is only so far I can go in expressing opinions on the senate race.
Given that I met both Wellstone and Coleman personally, and know some members of Barkley's family, I might know a bit more than the average Joe Six-pack, but that knowledge does not go far. So, in writing on the topic, I must keep a firm sense of restraint uppermost in my mind.
I hope this clears up my intent here.
The people I seek to avoid are just what I described; the big ego, big checkbook, big mouth "Zionists" in America who think they know what is good for this country - like the big-shots at the OU general assembly or convenrion who do not give a damn about Hebron or the government's intent to expel families who paid over NIS 1 million for a house near Hebron.
27 - Ruvy
Mark, that was not addressed to the local pigeon for the DEA. I'm truly a miserable typist....
28 - Mark Schannon
It does clarify some things, Ruvy.
All now is sadness and despair. I don't see a winning strategy for you & Israel. I specialize in helping organizations in crisis find ways to win...often not exactly what they had in mind in the beginning, but a win nonetheless.
I don't know enough about what's going on there, but we've seen enough examples over the last 8 years of how useful international law is when you've got a lawless administration. International law is most often upheld when the most powerful impose it on others.
Are you in that position?
Would you not give up an inch of land (hey, I'm playing Tevya here) for the ability of your sons and grandchildren to leave in peace? If an inch (here it comes), perhaps some land that is legally and contractually yours?
Of course, (now playing Bill Clinton), it all depends on what the definition of peace is, and, given the current state of the Arab world, I, in my somewhat less than infinite wisdom, can't imagine what that would look like.
But...if you could get real peace...wouldn't that be worth some land?
I already know the answer, which does make me sad. I fear you are willing to give your life for a cause that is noble but perhaps, just perhaps a little Quixotic?
And we haven't even touched the whole God thing. I should send you my unagented book, "God Never Answers." I'm in the middle of the 8th or 9th edit...and it doesn't address your critical issues, but at least you might get a laugh or two out of it.
Fuck. (Can I say that here?)
I wish I had the same prayers you offered to help me...but I don't, so all I can say is, be well and be safe, my friend. May God finally, once and for all, grant Jews some peace.
29 - Ruvy
Mark,
That G-d you have trouble believing in has the winning strategy. If I didn't believe that, I'd be on the first plane back to the States.
Notice, I'm not interested in proving G-d to you, Mark. G-d will prove Himself to you; indeed He is. You're on how many edits of that book, again? And what is it really about? More likely than not, your own struggle with G-d, even though you may not realize it (but perobably do). I've pointed out before that G-d tests those He loves, and He is testing you. He is testing me, I'll tell you.
Poor Jet - He is really running him through the wringer.
I specialize in helping organizations in crisis find ways to win...often not exactly what they had in mind in the beginning, but a win nonetheless.
We need a guy like you badly out here. Your profession is called ya'útz - consultant. But in reality, you are what Israelis like the best - ha'm'sadér - the fixer. In many ways, I work in the same field. All of us here are involved in that field.
And between the two of us, we could come up with a win-win solution. Just bear in mind that out hear, you need a win-win-win-win solution. Two wins are just not enough.
Dinner calls, and I gotta run.
30 - Ruvy
UPDATE....UPDATE....UPDATE....UPDATE....UPDATE....
The funeral of Rav Gavriel Holtzberg, z"l, hy"d, is scheduled for 13:00 tomorrow, and I'm guessing that the likely strategy of the IDF and police will be to storm the building when people are busy attending the funeral. It should never be forgotten that Ehud Barak, when he commanded troops in the Lebanon War in 1982, led religious soldiers into an ambush at Sultan Yukub where they were killed.Arutz Sheva reports that "Forces Are Massing around Peace House"
It appears that the Israel Police and military are planning to storm the Peace House and evict its legal occupants soon. Earlier today, activists asked that as many people as possible gather at the Peace House before the army declares the area around it a closed military zone and before the army and police storm the building.
This story, released by Arutz Sheva at 21:37, covering the same topic, indicates that
This same Barak is now security minister in Israel, and the same kind of cynical activity should be expected of him tomorrow.
The other possibility, alluded to here, is that police and soldiers wll storm the building in the middle of the night.
31 - Ruvy
UPDATE....UPDATE....UPDATE....UPDATE....UPDATE....
Special Forces Head to Hebron
As predicted yesterday, the IDF declared the area around the Peace House a closed military zone, and are blocking entrance to the area by anyone but residents. There are presently approximately 1,500 people in the vicinity, prepared for a struggle of some kind with the goon squad the Israeli government is sending in, the Yassam special anti-terrorist unit.
From the article
It is likely that the goon squad will attempt an evacuation very soon. There will be violence and casualties. The question is whether the next step - Jews killing Jews - will be crossed.
32 - Ruvy
UPDATE....UPDATE....UPDATE....UPDATE....UPDATE....
There are three major axes around which events in Hebron appear to be revolving.
The first axis is the presence of large numbers of Israeli "Yassam" police and large numbers of the the IDF surrounding what is now a closed military zone.
While it appears that neither the IDF nor the Yassam are doing anything, a news story has surfaced which indicates that there may be cracks in the IDF's determination. Arutz Sheva reports that Druze soldiers are asking the IDF not to use soldiers to expel Jews.
The Druze are a non-Jewish minority living mostly in the north of the country and for the most part, have been fiercely loyal to the State of Israel and to the IDF.
This is the letter of Mandee Safdie, chairman of the Druze Forum for Israel, which represents many Druze.
This story follows in line with the claim by former ground commander Ron Tal that the government is to blame for the violence surrounding the Peace House.
The second axis of events revolves around government denunciations of the Jews who have refused to vacate their legally bought homes and their supporters. The latest of these comes from MK Dr. Tzvia Greenfield of Meretz who claimed this morning that the "hilltop youth" who are supporting the residents of the Peace House are perverting Jewish values. In an interview some time ago, a retired Meretz Knesset member was asked, "all that appears of Zionism that you support is speaking Hebrew." The retired parliament member said, "that is sufficient." So much for the "Jewish values" of Meretz.
Two days ago, Welfare Minister YitzHak Hertzog said that the "hilltop youth", teenagers who spend their days building new Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria and fighting border police and other forces who attempt to evict them, "are a danger to security.” Not only do they endanger security, he said, they are “a danger to education and to society that we must deal with.”
He proposes to set up "re-education" institutions for them, treating them much as criminals might have been in the Soviet Union. Israel purports to be a democracy, but political freedom is extended only to those, who like in the Soviet Union, agree with the government.
The final axis around which events appear to be occurring involves the fate of a young man who was attacked by an Arab with a rock. He is in very serious condition.
This is a developing story. The question stands as to whether the IDF and Yassam will try to starve out the supporters of the residents of the Peace House, or simply storm the crowd as well as the residents.
33 - Ruvy
CRITICAL NEWS UPDATE....CRITICAL NEWS UPDATE....CRITICAL NEWS UPDATE....CRITICAL NEWS UPDATE....
From Arutz Sheva: Apparently the attack on the Peace House is beginning. Hebron: Police Fire Tear Gas, Stun Grenades at Jews
Three people are reported hurt following the use of the riot dispersal gear.
34 - Ruvy
DEVELOPING STORY, CRITICAL NEWS UPDATE!!...DEVELOPING STORY, CRITICAL NEWS UPDATE!!
As reported a bit earlier, this is a developing story; at 17:22, Arutz Sheva reported that the IDF declared the Peace House a "closed military zone". In practical terms, this means that anybody within the zone who has not received prior authorization in writing from a responsible officer within the IDF was banned and to be expelled. According to Arutz Sheva, 8 people were arrested.
Seventeen minutes later, Arutz Sheva reported that a general call had gone out from the organizers of the resistance to the expulsion: Everybody Come to Peace House Now!
There are evidently reporters on the scene as Hebron resident Baruch Marzel of the Judean Front warned Wednesday that a confrontation in Peace House could "set the entire region and the entire Middle East ablaze." This was reported at 18:03.
At 18:20, Arutz Sheva said that it had been reported that traffic on Highway 60 (which used to be called the Hebron Road) in Judea has been blocked between Gush Etzion Junction and Karmei Tzur. The cause of the traffic stoppage has not been reported. But one can guess.
A few minutes earlier at 18:14, Arutz Sheva reported this quote from Daniella Weiss, former mayor of the village of Kedumim in Samaria, as saying, "I point a finger of blame towards the government of Israel, which in an act of shocking anti-Semitism wants to evict Jews from a house in the Land of Israel that was purchased in full."
Ms. Weiss is at the besieged Peace House.
The assault is underway; 6 more have been hurt as police continue to use stn grenades and tear gas Arutz Sheva reported at 18:31.
35 - Ruvy
DEVELOPING STORY, CRITICAL NEWS UPDATE!!...DEVELOPING STORY, CRITICAL NEWS UPDATE!!
On the other side of the fence, Arabs officials in the "PA" warn that the continued presence of Jews in Hebron could cause "a big explosion".
This was in a statement by Abu Abbas to representatives of the "Quartet, the official neo-colonialist pigs sent to "police" the problem.
Unreferred to in the news flash from Arutz Sheva was the group of security agents that the "PA" intends to send to Hebron, over the objections of the government of Israel.
Evidently, Abu Abbas is attempting to get the Israeli government to take its obvious next step, expulsion of the four to six hundred Jews who live in Hebron.
36 - Ruvy
DEVELOPING STORY, CRITICAL NEWS UPDATE!!...DEVELOPING STORY, CRITICAL NEWS UPDATE!!
Haaretz, reporting this from the other side of the ideological spectrum in Israel, reported at 18:31 that Barak, settlers leaders to meet Thursday in bid for deal on Hebron house. According to this report, the government is likely to instruct the Israel Defense Forces to forcibly evacuate the so-called "House of Contention," unless an imminent agreement is reached between security officials and settler leaders.
Note how Haaretz has called this a "House of Contention", using the name the Arabs prefer. The rest of the article sums up the events of the last couple of days, reporting from the hostile eyes of the "pro-peace" Hebrew media in Israel.
This article is an excellent illustration of the kulturkampf that afflicts this nation, all the more relevant to the approaching holiday of Hanukkah, which dealt with a civil war between those who believed in the G-d of Israel and those who preferred to assimilate into the pagan Hellenistic empire ruling the country at the time.
In those days, the High Priesthood, the House of Tzadok were nearly as pagan as the Greeks they imitated.
Matatyahu Hashmonai, who was the father of the "Naccabees", started his political career by running his sword through the bowels of a Jew willing to sacrifice a pig to a Greek idol. In other words, he was both a murderer and a rebel. Hanukkah celebrates the victory of people who today would be called religious nutjobs and killers.
The question that remains is how long must it take before a Jew, a believer, kills a Jew who would bow at the American-European god of peace and suicide.
Who will be that modern Matatyahu Hashmonai?
37 - Ruvy
As I said when writing this article, there was a clock ticking. And now the violent confrontation has begun in the Peace House. Arutz Sheva reported in a news item posted at 14:54, an hour ago, that the Expulsion Begins at Hebron's Peace House. According to the article,
The word "refused" in the quoted block of text above is a link to an earlier article posted at 11:30 this morning where Barak was quoted to have said, "This building will be evacuated".According to this report a half hour ago, 20 people had been injured already. According to the Newsflash link at Arutz Sheva, the reports look like this:
Reading from bottom to top, one can see the progression of events, but each line of text is a separate link at Arutz Sheva
Do note. Israeli Yassamniks operate like pigs do worldwide, pulling off identity tags so the illegal violence they inflict cannot be sued in court.
But in the final analysis, the blame for events today in Hebron does not fall on these evil men with truncheons; they are but the hired thugs of a government of gangsters, liars and killers. The members of this government are the ones whose necks must be stretched upon the hangman's rope for treason.
Let's name names of some of the guilty:
1. Shimon Peres, who arranged the murder of YitzHak Rabin. A long trail of blood and criminal activity follows this evil man, a trail too long to detail here.
2. Ehud Barak, who as a commander in Lebanon allowed the ambush of two religious Jewish soldiers at the massacre of Sultan Yakub, the man responsible for the Israeli evacuation of South Lebanon in 2000 and therefore for for the 2006 Lebanon war, the man responsible for HizbAllah occupying south Lebanon today and for their possessing 30,000 missiles of destruction, missiles that can reach Tel Aviv. His failure to crush Arab terror with an iron hand lead to the election of the next man on the list.
3. Ariel Sharon, who will escape the hangman's noose; he was responsible for the restraint in dealing with Arab terror from 2001-2003, for the Arab desecration of the Church of the Sepulchre in Bethlehem, and finally for the expulsion of 10,000 Jews from their homes in Gush Qatif and in Northern Samaria.
4. Ehud Olmert who managed to hamstring the IDF so that it would lose the Lebanon war in 2006, and who caved like a coward to the pressure of the United States; and who continues to work treason by negotiating the division of Jerusalem when acting in the position of a mere caretaker premier; a man who is determined to undercut both the Jewish nature of the country and to undercut its very existence by surrendering Jewish sovereign territory to a hostile enemy.
I note for you that this is the very short list.
The true list is far longer, with many, if not most of the members of the Knesset on it, many candidates for office, many officers in the IDF and the Israel Police, many owners of publications, like the owners of Ha'aretz, Yediot AHronot, Ma'ariv, leaders of treasonous groups in Israel like Gush Shalom, ICAHD, Peace Now, the New Israel Fund and their many spoor, and many executives in their suites in Tel Aviv who spread the poison of the hatred of G-d and His Law in His Land. All these people must be eliminated and buried, preferably outside of Israel, so that their bones do not contaminate the country and its holiness.
But there are a few people who cannot be reached by an Israeli court.
James Earl Carter Jr.
George Herbert Walker Bush
William Jefferson Clinton
George Walker Bush
Henry Kissinger
Hillary Rodham Clinton
Condaleezza Rice
Madeline Albright
Warren Christopher
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Joseph Ratzinger
I concentrate on Americans because those are the ones I am most familiar with. A German made it onto the list because I happened to remember his name.
All these people deserve to go to their graves, not in peace, but in blood.
I have no doubt that Barack Hussein Obama will join that list in short order, but he is not yet in a position to act against us; so one cannot make such a statement.
Yet.
38 - Christopher Rose
So let me get this straight, Ruvy; you believe that the majority of Israeli politicians, whole swathes of the police and the military, newspaper publishers, other business and civil leaders are all wrong and a small, vocal and committed bunch of religious extremists are correct?
39 - Ruvy
Reread comment #36, Chris, particularly these lines:
This article [in Haáretz] is an excellent illustration of the kulturkampf that afflicts this nation, all the more relevant to the approaching holiday of Hanukkah, which dealt with a civil war between those who believed in the G-d of Israel and those who preferred to assimilate into the pagan Hellenistic empire ruling the country at the time.
In those days, the High Priesthood, the House of Tzadok were nearly as pagan as the Greeks they imitated.
Matatyahu Hashmonai, who was the father of the "Maccabees", started his political career by running his sword through the bowels of a Jew willing to sacrifice a pig to a Greek idol. In other words, he was both a murderer and a rebel. Hanukkah celebrates the victory of people who today would be called religious nutjobs and killers.
Hanukkah celebrates the victory of the rebels, Chris, the people who rejected assimilation into the ancient equivalent of the mellow pile of shit represented by European and American culture.
They were right then and we are right, now.
The boys at Arutz Sheva or IMRA don't have the guts to tell you that in plain English. I do.
40 - Dave Nalle
Ruvy. Feel vindicated. Fox News is giving top news live coverage to your story right now here in the US. Some pretty intense video footage of people being dragged out of Hebron.
Dave
41 - Ruvy
DEVELOPING STORY, CRITICAL NEWS UPDATE!!...DEVELOPING STORY, CRITICAL NEWS UPDATE!!
Reported as of 18:22 by Arutz Sheva
Israeli Troops from the Shimshon Brigade, fired on Jewish demonstrators near Kedumim
Earlier, around 16:30, all of Judea, (all the land south of Jerusalem until the area of the Dead Sea) was declared a closed military zone to prevent "'the arrival of additional people to disturb law and order,' according to the army's spokesperson's office," reported Arutz Sheva.
This video, shot by Info Live TV, and narrated by Margot Dudkevitch (from the Voice of Israel English Service) describes the House of Peace as "House of Contention", the Arab name, and is typical of what many Israelis are seeing on TV.
But this report, from Arutz Sheva, is a bit clearer, even though it is only a written report. Channel 10 reporting on violence that occurred after the expulsion, reported on Jews attacking Arab homes, setting them alight, and of shooting at Arabs, while Arabs responded with rock-throwing and firing at a member of the Border Police.
42 - Ruvy
And now, in the aftermath of this evil by the government, some Jews are discovering that when "rendering unto Caesar" goes against the will of G-d, there is a price to be paid. Yassam police, who expelled Jews from their homes yesterday, were expelled in turn from the synagogue in the Cave of the Patriarchs. They are not wanted there.
Late last, night demonstrators from Ma'ale Levona in Samaria and Kokhav haShaHar in Judea blocked the highways and were forcibly removed by police. This was reported by Arutz Sheva.
Finally from David Wilder in Hebron comes these videos of the illegal police action on the worshippers way yesterday.
There will be consequences to this act on many levels, just as there will be consequences for the expulsion of many more Jews from their homes in Gush Qatif.
When future historians write of this era, they will note that YitzHak Rabin, who tried to kill Jews who had jumped off the Altalena in 1948, was himself murdered in turn. Ariel Sharon, who was a bully to Jews in his youth, as well as a bully to them in his old age, now rots like a bad tomato, suspended between life and death.
More similar rewards await the malefactors of yesterday's evil.
43 - Brunelleschi
You don't have to read much of Ruvy's garbage to see why that part of the world can't settle down and get along. There must be no such thing as an Israeli that ever made a mistake or did anything to cause a fuss. Everything just happens to them for no good reason. If you don't think so, just ask an Israeli!
The US has its own bad history and can't admit mistakes sometimes, but we get past things. At least we let the Indians get back at us by getting rich on casinos. The Israelis just keep running over people like they have a right to and can't see anything wrong with that. They don't know how to think any other way.
44 - Ruvy
Israelis just keep running over people like they have a right to and can't see anything wrong with that. They don't know how to think any other way.
Funny.
I have heard much the same comments from fellow immigrants to this country. Brunelleschi's comments are not that far off the mark - especially if you consider who are the big villains in all this: the secular establishment that hates G-d and the Torah, and the "religious" Jews who are their running dogs. The second category can mean either Haredim who will sell out for money for their yeshivot, or it can be "national religious" Jews on the payroll of the secular G-d-hating Jews, like the "Yesh"a" Council.
Either way, this establishment persecutes both Arabs and believing Jews. The Arabs are discriminated against economically, which makes them easy and willing listeners to the hate propaganda of the Wahhabi-influenced scum who presently are their "leaders". Hamas and the PLO and all of their spoor fall into this category.
But this article does not really deal with Arabs vs. Jews. It deals with Jews persecuting other Jews.
Israelis never really learned how to say, "I'm sorry" or to take responsibility for the evil they've done. The term "I'm sorry" is in the vocabulary; it just isn't heard very much. This is a direct consequence of the "in-your-face", "I'm-never-wrong" culture of Eastern Europe that Jews brought here in the early 1900's. In America, this same culture was moderated somewhat and softened by the dominant Christian culture. In Israel, this never happened. So we here suffer the same diseases of the spirit that Eastern European Jews suffered from; this is one of the spiritual reasons for the success of the Nazi murders in Europe 70 years ago. It is one of the reasons I fear that many many Jews will die in the near future here. It is a Biblical principle that the people suffer for the sins of the leaders.
Is what I have posted here "garbage"?. It stinks, but unfortunately, it is not garbage. It is the truth. That hurts this proud Jew to write. I would rather that, as Brunelleschi writes, There must be no such thing as an Israeli that ever made a mistake or did anything to cause a fuss. But unfortunately fingers of blame can be pointed. And many Jews - and Israelis - have made grievous, and fatal mistakes