The Futility of Hope - Comments Page 2

Part of: Mark My Words

We may stumble out of our domestic financial mess. But how are we to recapture the value system that has been our moral compass?

What a surprise.  We're heading nowhere faster than a speeding bullet.  We gnaw on decaying bones while fresh meat hangs in front of us, going bad.  They do not just hold differing opinions, they are handmaidens of the devil, dragging us either towards some Nazi, socialist, new world order...or deeper into the new American aristocracy where wealth and personal success are the sole measures of a person's worth.…
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  • 26 - roger nowosielski

    May 21, 2009 at 7:08 am

    #22,

    You are correct. Here's an excerpt on Wagner:

    Racism and Nazi appropriation
    Some biographers have asserted that Wagner in his final years came to believe in the racialist philosophy of Arthur de Gobineau, and according to Robert Gutman, this is reflected in the opera Parsifal,[17] Other biographers such as Lucy Beckett[18] believe that this is not true. Wagner showed no significant interest in Gobineau until 1880, when he read Gobineau's An Essay on the Inequality of the Human Races.[19] Wagner had completed the libretto for Parsifal by 1877, and the original drafts of the story date back to 1857. Wagner's writings of his last years indicate some interest in Gobineau's idea that Western society was doomed because of miscegenation between "superior" and "inferior" races.[20]
    Wagner's writings on race and his antisemitism[21] reflected some trends of thought in Germany during the 19th century. Houston Stewart Chamberlain, expanded on Gobineau's and Wagner's ideas in his 1899 book The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century, a work proclaiming the superiority of Aryan races, which had a wide circulation and later became required reading for members of the Nazi party. Chamberlain greatly admired Wagner's work and married Wagner's daughter, Eva, becoming a central part of the Bayreuth Circle, and thus contributing to the association of Wagner's name and works with racism and anti-semitism.

    Also, Nietzsche's use of the term dates to 1883, the date of Wagner's death.

    Of course the "ubermensch" term has got nothing to do with anti-semitism. I was being polemical.

  • 27 - roger nowosielski

    May 21, 2009 at 7:17 am

    Ruvy, #16,

    I'm beginning to see the importance you attach to Jerusalem as a spiritual bastion, as per your last link in #16.

  • 28 - Ruvy

    May 21, 2009 at 10:07 am

    So you finally found the money line and have figured the idea out, Roger. The Arabs want to cut the head of our "snake" off, just as I want to cut the head of their "snake" off. And the intent of the NOI in blowing up a synagogue in the Bronx was just as murderous. The boys in FataH and the NOI have it straight - it's US or THEM. So, so far as I'm concerned, I'd rather it be US. If they want me dead, I want them dead.

    Gandhi was a fool who was killed as his dream collapsed around him. He influenced Yehuda Magnes, the president of the Hebrew University in pre-State Israel, to take foolish risks that allowed the massacre of 77 doctors and nurses on a convoy to Hadassah Hospital in 1948. The path of pacifism is the road to death.

  • 29 - roger nowosielski

    May 21, 2009 at 10:21 am

    Well, Ruvy, that last link was quite convincing - especially as regards the importance of Jerusalem to the very idea and integrity of the Jewish state.

    BTW, I never supported what you call a pacifist position (it's not feasible at the moment) - only an interventionist one. Also the two-state solution might be fine, but not in Israel's backyard. I've always argued that this problem concerns every Arab country in the Middle East, and that every party must be made part of the solution.

    Here's a link, BTW, to the appraisal of the recent meeting in Washington. You might find it interesting.

  • 30 - Ruvy

    May 21, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    Roger,

    Looked at the link. That's the CFR for you, always pushing for some way to weaken this country without actually seeming to do so. That is the agenda of the Wahhabi bastards, the bankers and oilmen the CFR really represents. The bottom is line is this article in Arutz Sheva which describes the typical pattern of US bullying of this country.

    By the way, Roger, you've read me assert that the Wahhabi are heretics and not Moslems. This is an English translation of Al-Fajr as-Sadiq - A Refutation of Wahhabism. This is rough reading, but it does get its point across. In the piece, you find out that the ibn-Sauds have been assholes for at least two centuries.... Think about what you see, and think about how Arabs happily beheaded Danny Pearl, and so many others and the mentality that is behind it. No, it is not necessarily Islam. And the Wahhabis are definitely not Moslems, though they sure as hell pretend to be well enough.

  • 31 - roger nowosielski

    May 21, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    I'll check that out. But I fail to see the problem with CFR's reporting of the event; I thought they covered both sides and the nature of the disagreement between the Israeli and US position as to "tactics." So what exactly are you referring to?

  • 32 - roger nowosielski

    May 21, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Do me another favor? Check out Clavos' latest Notre Dame's thread, especially the last 10-15 comments where I bring up Charles Krauthammer's analysis of the present "torture debate": there are TWO links, mind you. All of a sudden, even Baronius attacks me for taking a "more conservative" position than he - Can you believe that?

    I think the world has just turned on its axis?

  • 33 - roger nowosielski

    May 21, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    It's interesting that Mark Schannon would feature Richard Hofstadter's book for this article. This, in itself, is a solid critique of the American society, along with the critique he himself offers on moral grounds.

  • 34 - Ruvy

    May 21, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    I fail to see the problem with CFR's reporting of the event; I thought they covered both sides and the nature of the disagreement between the Israeli and US position as to "tactics.

    You are so used to reading anti-Israel trash and taking it as true, you can't see the subtle way that the writer puts Israel's positions down. They're not going to scream Allahu Akbar, you know.

    I really don't have the patience to take the whole thing apart for you. But I'm accustomed to reading what the CFR writes and how they carefully phrase their criticisms and try to hide their editorializing. Once, the Writers at the Grey Lady were so skilled - no longer.

  • 35 - roger nowosielski

    May 21, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    I do see they lean to Obama's idea of a solution.

  • 36 - Ruvy

    May 21, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    I bet even the Israelis can't bear listen to you; that's why you dump all your hatred and ignorance on BC......So why don't you just start preaching to your own people from some hill in Samaria and Jerusalem.

    I don't need to preach to my neighbors, Roger - they agree with me. And lots and lots of soldiers agree with me, lots of Jerusalemites agree with me - anybody living near what is called the kav téfer - the "seam line" where Arabs live. WE all understnd the danger.

    I could argue with the leftist fucks in Tel Aviv who think I should lose my home so that they cans sleep in "peace". But I can't see the point. I'll let the Arab missiles destroy the Azrieli Tower and and flames shooting throughout the city to make my arguments for me. Because the Arabs, if not stopped, will bombard and destroy Tel Aviv and so long as the appeasers we have in office stay in power. It's just a matter of time.

    And so long as the appeasers are in power, the Arabs will never be dealt with with the only language they understand - brute force.

  • 37 - roger nowosielski

    May 21, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    So you don't derive much hope from the coming meeting in Egypt, I guess. I think that shrewd diplomacy, the carrot and the stick, just might work. At least I'd give it a shot.

    I'm not so certain yet that Obama is a total sellout. We shall see, I guess.

  • 38 - Bliffle

    May 21, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    Mark says:

    "Mandate health insurance? Ohmigosh--what a crime against humanity. Except, who do you think pays for all those without health insurance? The tooth fairy? If health care is a fundamental right, then having insurance should be a fundamental responsibility."

    You've taken the bait offered by the InsCos and now equate healthcare with health insurance.

  • 39 - roger nowosielski

    May 21, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    "If health care is a fundamental right, then having insurance should be a fundamental responsibility."

    I can't find fault with this conditional.

  • 40 - Ruvy

    May 22, 2009 at 8:14 am

    So you don't derive much hope from the coming meeting in Egypt, I guess. I think that shrewd diplomacy, the carrot and the stick, just might work. At least I'd give it a shot.

    Do you seriously think that the dummy from Chicago is going to teach grampa how to steal sheep?

    The Arabs have been at this for millennia and are experts at it. I respect them highly, even if I view their leaders as bloodthirsty assholes.

    I guess I respect them a whole lot more than I respect the cold-blooded SOB's who form the WASP ruling class in the States that manipulate Obama like a little puppet. The Arabs may be bloodthirsty bastards, but at least they get mad. The WASPs are colder than ice-cubes, and far more murderous.

  • 41 - roger nowosielski

    May 22, 2009 at 8:20 am

    Ruvy,

    It's precisely because of your use of terms such as "the dummy from Chicago" that I don't really want to engage in these conversations.

    Have a great Sabbath.

  • 42 - Mark Schannon

    May 26, 2009 at 9:00 am

    Yowza, I didn't even realize there were more comments here.

    Uh Roger, "And BTW, in case you haven't notices, Mark was addressing Mark Schannon for what looks like a duplicitous view of speaking of "moral compass," on the one hand, and condoning "mass murder" on the other.

    He wasn't addressing Ruvy."

    What are you talking about. Show me somewhere where I advocated mass murder, and I'll apologize. But since I don't think I ever have, I'll accept your apology.

  • 43 - Mark Schannon

    May 26, 2009 at 9:01 am

    By the way, the above referred to comment 15.

  • 44 - Mark Schannon

    May 26, 2009 at 9:13 am

    Bliffle,

    Explain health care without health insurance. We currently, thanks to our age & not having a group policy, pay over $35,000 a year in premiums, out of pockets, & non-covered expenses. And yet, without the insurance, I shudder to think what it might cost.

    BTW, that helps explain 50 million uninsured Americans.

    And I'm not saying give the insurance companies free reign. Past Republican dog administrations have loosened the rules that used to govern insurance--spread the risk--so they can now cherry pick who they want to cover & dump the rest into high-cost policies. (I made up that about blaming the elephants...artists license, LOL.)

    Either regulate their asses or dump 'em and find another way...preferably not Canada's or Englands.

    And that's the truth.

    In Jameson Veritas

  • 45 - roger nowosielski

    May 26, 2009 at 9:21 am

    "..and that from Mr Moral Highground who, much as the idea disturbs him, advocates mass murder."

    I'm referring to the other Mark's remark (#3). I took it to be referring to you (rather than to Ruvy) - partly because it was your article and you (sort of) seemed to agree with Ruvy's "solution."

    I see that I was wrong, and I do apologize.

  • 46 - Mark Schannon

    May 26, 2009 at 10:06 am

    Roger, not a problem. I do try to find a middle ground between Ruvy & many others on BC, although I can't stretch that far without ripping vital tendons.

    Thanks.

  • 47 - roger nowosielski

    May 26, 2009 at 10:08 am

    Thanks, Mark.

  • 48 - Ruvy

    May 26, 2009 at 11:23 am

    The wisest strategy in political conlict is not to engage the enemy at all, and to use his own weaknesses against him. This will be found in the works of all great strategists, like Sun Szu and Captain Liddell-Hart.

    But sometimes, great strategies are unavailable - often because the leadership that needs to employ them refuses to for political reasons and is blinded to the opportunities open to it.

    This has happened too often in Israel.

    When this occurs, it is necessary to use a strategy delineated by General Pershing, the commander of the American Expeditionary Force in WWI.

    The best defense is a good offense.

    My article advocating the annihilation of Tehran was an example of this thinking. It is necessary, even though it will not happen under the rule of the present traitor and bought out SOB, Benyamin Netanyahu and his partners in treason, a man willing to bow to the evil and dark visage, the Pagan Priest of the Setting Sun, the Blessing of Hussein, Barak Obama.

    If some of you find that offensive, well that is just too bad. That kind of thinking will have to be used to combat a government that is determined to expel the legitimate residents of Judea and Samaria - the Jewish people - in whom sovereignty resides by authority of the San Remo Articles on Palestine, adopted on 24-25 April, 1920.

    And it will be.

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