Birthers are convinced this executive order is part of a grand coverup of President Obama's citizenship. They're wrong.
One of the spurious claims being circulated by the Birther fringe is that one of President Obama's first acts in office was to issue Executive Order 13489 (PDF), which they claim was intended to seal away his birth certificate, school records and other evidence that he is not a United States citizen or otherwise unqualified to be President.…
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— go to most recent comments176 - Ruvy
If the Obama-haters really thought they had a case - and don't tell me they don't have many able lawyers - the matter would already be before the courts.
They have many able lawyers. And the matter has been before a number of courts. And the government has the money to buy off the judges - Obama appoints the federal judges, so they know that if they rule against his legitimacy, they have NO chance at a higher spot....
As for being bored with "ksdb", you don't have to read his posts. Hey, I stay away from the place where you argue philosophy for the same reason. It's as boring as all hell, not to mention, IMHO, irrelevant.
177 - Dr Dreadful
ksdb, your link proves nothing about your claim. It relates how the fake certificate was produced to test whether Orly Taitz and her followers would swallow any old crap - which they duly did.
How can it be a 'pre-emptive forgery' if it came to light over a year after the Obama campaign released his COLB?
(And I'm sure the irony is quite lost on you that your link is from an anti-birther site.)
178 - ksdb
dread, funny how you act like you have some logical capacities and then fail to show them. The person who prodcued the fake to test Orly was an Obama apologist. He went around blogs and political sites trying to bring down the Polarik forgery accusations. And it was a pre-emptive fogery in case Orly had a real Kenyan certificate. I didn't say it was a pre-emptive forgery for the Obama COLB. I said for any REAL certificates that might emerge. If I was talking about the COLB, I would have said so. Focus, dread, focus.
179 - roger nowosielski
Well, I was being ornery on purpose, Dreadful.
Don't have as much patience as you do.
180 - John Wilson
ksdb is hopeless. Gone.
181 - pablo
Kdsb been putting you to shame lately dread.
182 - handyguy
Pablo, the fact that you believe that tells everyone more than they need to know about you.
183 - Dan(Miller)
I have an explanation for it all -- and much more besides. However, as the frequent recipient of barrages from World Net Daily, I am delighted to be able pass along the latest news. My views on this exciting topic are stated here.
Before dealing with where President Obama was born, the query should be if he was born, or merely deposited somewhere as an egg by one of the Reverend Mr. Wright's chickens on the way home to roost. Or should that be "roast?"
Dan(Miller)
184 - zingzing
he wasn't born so much as he fell out.
185 - roger nowosielski
Why stop there? For all we know, he may not even exist.
Solipsism anyone?
186 - Dr Dreadful
kdsb, you wriggle more vigorously than a hamster I once knew.
And it was a pre-emptive fogery in case Orly had a real Kenyan certificate.
How do you know?
And your claim still doesn't explain why it took so long to come to light - especially since, as it turns out, Taitz did not have an authentic certificate.
BTW, where is that Kenyan birth certificate? They aren't all that hard to get hold of, as the link I posted yesterday shows.
(And what is a 'fogery', anyway? Is it a deception practiced by an old fogey?)
187 - Dr Dreadful
Dan, don't you write for a certain right-wing website named after an item of sleepwear?
Oddly enough, the verification word I had to type in order to post a comment on your blog just now was 'pajamput'.
Eerie.
188 - roger nowosielski
One thing's for certain. When Ruvy, Pablo and ksdb are in the same camp, you can bet your sweet arse that something is up.
Let me suggest one common denominator: Obama-hatred.
What's amazing, neither can think of a better target. They, each and everyone, must think Obama a messiah or a miracle man to have singlehandedly orchestrated America's demise. And if that's not being naive about politics to the point of childishness, I don't know what is. But I guess hatred is blind.
189 - Dan(Miller)
Roger, "I think therefore I am." President Obama seems infrequently to think. From that, it is clear that he may well not exist, except in some alternative universe from which his edicts are transmitted through little worm holes in the space-time continuum.
If you don't understand, a review of some of the philosophical works of Douglas, the late lamented Earl Adams, may be useful.
Dan(Miller)
190 - handyguy
President Obama seems infrequently to think.
I know that's a joke. Or a "joke." Or something. But Dan, capable of great wit and insight, often ends up coming off as just another partisan, unpleasantly sniping, when he gives in to his dark side. Not funny, not true, not worth saying.
191 - handyguy
When Ruvy, Pablo and ksdb are in the same camp
That's when the rest of us should know better than to take the bait and get into pointless circular debates.
Aren't they in the same camp all the time? Space Camp for Permanently Adolescent Paranoiacs.
192 - Dan(Miller)
Doc,
Dan, don't you write for a certain right-wing website named after an item of sleepwear?
Guilty as charged. As to the verification word, that is indeed eerie. Thanks, though, for the comment on my little blog.
Perhaps some of our conspiracy theorists can come up with an explanation.
Dan(Miller)
193 - STM
kdsb: "Maybe you'd have better luck arguing Australian politics ... or something you actually have some knowledge about"
Maybe. You probably should too, because you know sweet fuck all about American politics.
194 - STM
Bottom line: All kdsb and his mates have is a half-baked conspiracy theory.
Aliens have obviously switched off the half of their brain that deals with reasoned thought.
The reason there has been no successful court challenge related to the nonsense he posts is because it none of it will hold up in court.
Even the majority of people who don't like Obama and who don't believe he should be president don't buy in to this rubbish.
As for my Australian mate born in the US and holding US citizenship, he IS eligible to be a president of the US provided he has spent a certain amount of time there (14 years as a permanent resident).
Since he has never sworn an oath to protect the constitution, nor rebelled against the United States, he is eligible.
How ridiculous then that he can qualify, having spent most of his life in another country he has no desire to leave and his father holding American citizenship ... and these maniacs believe that a person born in the US (an American citizen at birth AND natural-born according to all the evidence) to a US citizen and mostly raised in the US is not eligible.
It's cloud cuckoo land.
195 - STM
And should be treated with the contempt it deserves.
196 - Irene Wagner
#128: I give up. Who were they?
197 - dennish
Obama dad was british citizen, therefore NOT A NATURAL BORN. Does not make any difference where he was born.
198 - handyguy
This article was just a mind trick by Dave Nalle to increase site traffic. I admire Doc and STM for sticking it to these yoyo's, but it's pretty pointless.
199 - Dr Dreadful
What, Irene, you mean the presidents who'd be ineligible according to kdsb's interpretation of 'natural born citizen'?
Obama is the first in a long time to have a non-citizen or non-native-born parent. The last was Herbert Hoover, whose mother was (or wasn't, depending on your source) Canadian. Woodrow Wilson's mother was English. Chester Arthur and James Buchanan had Irish fathers.
And the really famous one? Andrew Jackson, both of whose parents were born in Ireland.
So I guess kdsb shouldn't go spending any twenty-dollar bills.
200 - Irene Wagner
Woohoo! Thanks Dr. D.
Course this whole discussion is rendered null and void by the wise old adage:
"You're only ever REALLY sure who the mama is."
201 - Irene Wagner
And that was NOT a racial slur, I hasten to add.
202 - Irene Wagner
I am wondering, sort of though, what else does ksdb stand for?
That isn't really a fair question, though, because it is not outside the realm of possibility that someone who might know us would adopt a separate username for adopting a position for that would cause him to be ostracized in other contexts. (Yes, you're dying to know what mine is, I'm sure. It's Undercover Fundy.)
But is there something else ksdb, that you stand for, if it's not presumptuous to ask?
203 - Dr Dreadful
"You're only ever REALLY sure who the mama is."
Wouldn't it be funny if it turned out that the real reason Obama wouldn't release his birth certificate was that his real dad was Dweezil B. Knutsack of Pothole, Kansas, who was stricken from the family rolls after he was jailed for looking at a police officer in a funny way?
204 - Irene Wagner
Whoa, Dr. D, this place is giving me the heebie jeebies. Like...you posted that funny video with the guy who looks like MR. BEAN in it, and the wonderful parting shot....EVEN as I had held in CTRL-C reserve the following link.
Ah, if you wait long enough, you'll hear something funny about racism and
205 - Irene Wagner
Clavos and I went through a series of about 48 comments like this once. Let's try that link again:
"...you'll hear somethning funny about racism and even North Korea
if you wait long enough. You'll know the line when you see it.
Well, off to get me Major Babe Beauty Sleep.
206 - zingzing
doc--what show is that? i wouldn't think it's blackadder, but i could be wrong... and what's the spg?
"lrene"--that is mr. bean. (by the way, lrene, i'm spelling your name with a lowercase L now. splte! splte!)
207 - STM
Dennish: "Obama dad was british citizen, therefore NOT A NATURAL BORN. Does not make any difference where he was born."
Wrong. Go and look up the definition according to how the constitution and the US government defines it. If he's born on US soil to a US citizen (mother or father), he qualifies.
He might even qualify just by being born on US soil, because he's entitled to citizenship.
Why don't you guys find out the facts before you post this half-baked, pie-in-the-sky crap.
Nowhere does the constituion actually define what natural born means.
So, what, a US citizen AT BIRTH, can't be eligible? Then John McCain might not have been eligible either.
This is just a load of nonsense from people who have got half an idea, checked a few things out on the internet, and run with it.
The only problem is, they keep dropping the ball with the line wide open.
208 - STM
Winston Churchill wasn't eligible to be Prime Minister of Great Britain.
His mother was American.
Luckily, they didn't care.
209 - STM
Handy: "This article was just a mind trick by Dave Nalle to increase site traffic. I admire Doc and STM for sticking it to these yoyo's, but it's pretty pointless."
Yeah, but it's hours fun Handy ... and great practise.
As for Nalle's old Jedi mind trick, yep, he's a clever boy.
Loves bringing the fringe element out of the woodwork.
210 - Dr Dreadful
zing: what show is that?
It's Not the Nine O'Clock News, which ran from about 1979-1982 and launched the careers of its four stars Mel Smith, Griff Rhys Jones, Pamela Stephenson and - yes, Irene, that is Mr Bean, a.k.a. Rowan Atkinson.
and what's the spg?
The Special Patrol Group, a defunct unit of the London Metropolitan Police which was mainly used in public order/crowd control situations and as strategic backup. They had a cowboy reputation which was the butt of a lot of jokes (hence the punchline of the skit), and the unit was eventually disbanded following a series of high-profile brutality complaints.
211 - STM
Doc, my two favourite NTNOCNS skits ... The Chinese diplomats (the people from the western and east plains), and I Like Truckin'
A very young Rowan Atkinson in the truckin skit (and, ah, Pamela Stephenson in a short skirt ... 'nuff said).
212 - STM
Actually, the Chinese skit is from Alas Smith and Jones.
Anyway ... Here (I like truckin') and here Chinese skit
Hilarious, especially the second one, if you like that kind of stuff :)
213 - Dave Nalle
Stan, it's like when the worms come up after a good rain and then roast to death in the sun on the sidewalk.
Dave
214 - STM
Yeah ... the ads were right: it IS hours of fun. Dave, check out the Chinese diplomat skit above. You'll appreciate it. Cheers
215 - zingzing
not the 9 o'clock news... never heard of it. british sketch comedy is only rivaled by kids in the hall. although there have been some really good american ones (chappelle's, mr. show, robot chicken (sometimes), carol burnett), i've never gotten into them like i have british and canadian stuff. although now that i say that, tim and eric awesome show great job is pretty classic already, if incredibly awkward. and eric of tim and eric is possibly the greatest music video director ever. (check out his flying lotus or health videos.)
216 - STM
Stereotyping Hollywood's Nazi generals
217 - STM
And Doc, these Kevin Rudd propaganda videos in Mandarin are for you. You know the joke, don't you ... that he speaks fluent Manadarin?
Video 1 (Kevin 07, The long march to Canberra)
Video 2 (The great victory of leader Rudd)
218 - El Bicho
"they know that if they rule against his legitimacy, they have NO chance at a higher spot"
why wouldn't they? the new person in charge would be more than likely to reward the judges. you don't know what you are talking about (again).
"Let me suggest one common denominator"
Good thing you gave the answer. Mine was insulting yet no less accurate
219 - Ruvy
I have a newsflash for you all. It doesn't mean a rat's ass to me if Obama is found to be the fraud he is or not. He is doing something for me that I alone, or that all of us in the Nationalists Camp in Israel, no matter how much we burned up our keyboards, could manage to do.
Obama is convincing the average Israeli Yossi Sixpack that the United States government is the enemy of the Jewish people, and of Israel in particular.
We nationalists here, could never pull that off the way Obama has. If Jew-hatred didn't stink from shit, I'd say it's a class act.
And the prick will not be thrown out before his time to be arrives. Since you refuse to be warned, then he is your problem. I wash my hands of the whole thing. I officially don't give a fuck.
But since you don't either, you will find yourself paying....
Have a nice day!!
220 - zingzing
DOOOM
221 - roger nowosielski
"I wash my hands of the whole thing."
A re-enactment of the Pontius Pilate story.
222 - roger nowosielski
Kind of interesting, zing, that our conservatives have little or nothing to say without the left to egg 'em on.
Their silence speaks volumes.
223 - Dr Dreadful
Stan, I'll have to look at those videos when I get home. YouTube is blocked at my office, which is definitely not where I'm commenting from right now. Definitely.
224 - Dr Dreadful
DOOOM
Bearing in mind your affinity for British comedy, zing, you'll appreciate why I sometimes contemplate whether Ruvy is a reincarnation of this guy.
225 - roger nowosielski
Or this one.