But back to my thesis: what is a vast right wing conspiracy exactly? It is when the members of the same party spout the same lie at the same time. Now, say it slowly it is when the same lie is told at the same time to the gullible public.
It was a defeat to the bloggers who passionately pilloried the idea of a unilateral war. We got war, we got another Bush term. We got screwed. We got a trillion-dollar war. We get it. The question is not “Had enough?” rather an emphatic “Never again!”
Heloise Said "Thanks, But No Thanks"
In a recent article, I asked whether Palin is ready for prime time. And the answer came from an interview with Charlie Gibson: a resounding "NO"! And what about those words that got her so many applause lines? I should have taken a bow! Why? I knew the source of that meme. It came from the Heloise article of June 4, “Last Tango in Texas” in which I wrote: “Sean, the Dems don't need your unsolicited help, thanks, but no thanks.” I got a chill when I heard Palin parrot it at the RNC. I thought: too convenient, too handy, too cogent and too tasteful to be her idea. I thought: somebody's lying.
Heloise, with those words, was talking to the GOP and Sean Hannity about giving the Democrats unsolicited advice on how Obama should conduct his campaign. I told him in essence "We got this." Then days later I heard Hannity echo my words over and over for weeks, repeating them on his show: “thanks, but no thanks” to whatever he was talking about.
Imagine my surprise four months later when I heard Palin screech: “I told Congress thanks, but no thanks on the bridge to nowhere.” Huh? Either she is a quick study or someone coached her in the ways of the 'Net. I Googled around and could find no attribution to her back in 2006 or 2007 when she might have said same in some speech in the dead of an Alaskan winter. Other people, like Al Gore, actually did speak those words back in 2006. But no finds of Palin telling Congress no thanks.
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— go to most recent comments1 - Lisa Solod Warren
What is even worse is that should McCain win he would most likely choose Phil Gramm, architect of the ruin of this economy (through his deregulating of the banks and mortgage companies) to be Sec'y of Treasury! And McSame would have us believe that his "Commission to Study the Economy" would actually do anything to turn this shitstorm around. Read up on this and it'll scare you to death. Obama warned NASDAQ months and months ago this was all coming down... they called him crazy...
It just gets worse and worse. How ANYONE can still even be a Republican escapes me. After what Bush/Cheney et al has done to this country and to its people, I am astonished that anyone could even imagine giving another Republican a chance, especially one who has been in Washington for 26 years and has done virtually nothing to make things any better but who now claims he will do so in the next four. I am simply not stupid enough to even entertain believing that.
2 - Clavos
"Thanks, but no thanks" your words?
Oh, puleeeze.
That expression has been around for at least fifty years.
3 - Lumpy
incredible. they buy every lie of the left yet reject simple commom sense if it comes from the right. never doubt that the indoctrination program that is public education has worked.
4 - Heloise
I didn't say I created that idiom Clavos. That's not the point. A whole lot of idioms I use have been around for a long time. But they have been picked up and used over and again when they had not been in use, that's my point.
I've heard no one else using Heloise speak, until she spoke it, rather wrote it. You don't get it. It's all about the sound bite, that becomes the meme. And Palin got bite with that one.
Heloise
5 - Clavos
But they have been picked up and used over and again when they had not been in use, that's my point.
And your point is specious, Heloise. The expression has never stopped being used. For you to claim that Sarah Palin (or any other politician) is using an expression because you wrote it in one of your articles is the height of ridiculousness.
And hubris.
I've heard no one else using Heloise speak, until she spoke it, rather wrote it. You don't get it. It's all about the sound bite, that becomes the meme. And Palin got bite with that one.
But not from Heloise, my dear.
Every English speaker I know uses that expression - regularly.
6 - Heloise
Breaking: AIG Bailout by government.
WTF? More welfare for the "wealthy" by those who created the deregulation in the first place. Where's Joe Kennedy?
Heloise
7 - Heloise
Breaking News: AIG Bailout by feds
And #2: Can today be John McCain's "Al Gore moment?" His boyz said that McCain, yes McClone invented the RIM blackberry, a Canadian company! Wow can they tell some whoppers? Just in time for more lies.
#3: Can today mark the tide turning in favor of Obama? Now that the market meltdown, many predicted including him, but not sure, has come about?
Heloise
8 - jamminsue
Lisa; fine sentiments, and well said. However the confusion we non-neocons have over the lack of consistency in the things the neocons support is simply because of belief. The neocons believe whatever, which does not allow for inclusion of facts. One cannot fight against belief - only make sure those that question are shown how irrational and myopic that belief is. Getting a neocon to look at hard facts is like trying to reform a drunk; they can't be reformed UNTIL THEY CHOOSE.
I believe any Clinton supporters who support Palin because she is a woman are truly irrational, (They sure did not support Hillary for that reason, but what policies she represented) and if that happens, then we non-neocons may as well give up, at least for this generation.
The wonderful zing that Whoopi Goldberg, on The View achieved last week has me smiling. John McCain said he wanted only strict constitutionalists for the Supreme Court, referring to the Roe v Wade issue. She asked John McCain if she should be worried about losing her personal freedom, because the constitution said Negroes had no status. McCain could not find a reply to that.
9 - Lisa Solod Warren
After what has happened in the financial markets, the crash in the housing market, the increase in joblessness.....you name it, the fact that a Republican could get elected, well, it would be like letting the fox guard the henhouse (how do you like that one, Clav?). When even Greenspan, who had no small part in all of this, calls it the worst he has ever seen, we know we are in trouble.
But, as McCain said, the fundamentals of our economy are sound. At least he said that 16 times before he decided today that what he meant was that the fundamentalness of our workers or whatever were sound.
Please, wake me up some time after November 4.
10 - Heloise
Heloise thinks McCain should have quipped "I knew Teddy Roosevelt" instead of: “I am a Teddy Roosevelt Republican,”
LOL
...McCain said. “Teddy Roosevelt believed that we needed an economy that can function without government interference. But he also said unfettered capitalism can breed corruption. We’re seeing Teddy Roosevelt’s words come true.”
Source: AP
Heloise
11 - Heloise
Clavos, you don't know enough to argue with Heloise. Hubris yes, balls no.
Heloise
12 - Baritone
Palin has now stonewalled the investigation of the dismissal of the Alaska state trooper, which she originally stated that she would fully cooperate with, now claiming that it is politically driven. She apparently disregards that the 5 person group performing the investigation is made up of 2 Democrats and 3 (county 'em 3) Republicans!
It has been suggested that Palin's tanning bed was needed by Alaska's guber owing to SAD (seasonal affective disorder,) a form of depression.
Depression? Hey, that's good news. The next VP, if elected could be suffering from depression. Perhaps Sarah should have a chat with Thomas Eagleton? Oops! Tom has shuffled off this mortal coil. Perhaps she could go to church and contact the former Senator while speaking in tongues. I bet she won't spend much time in Cheney's bunker.
B
13 - Lisa Solod Warren
I know (re Palin's stonewalling). Rachel Maddow had a superb interview with the man Palin had fired.... Amazing. Palin is going to HAVE to meet with the committee, which she originally (before her nom for veep) said she would cooperate with... because this guy is finally talking and he won't shut up.
14 - Heloise
Yeah, just read Alaska, along with Washington state, or is it Oregon, has the highest suicide rate in the country. It must be all those Alaskan nights. No sun will do that to you. That's why I live in Texas.
She's a lying snow bunny.
Heloise
15 - Heloise
Palin Alert: she is doing interview with Sean "My man" Hannity on Hannity and Colmes. I recorded it will watch in the a.m. and report on the new Palin dishes out.
Heloise
16 - Clavos
Clavos, you don't know enough to argue with Heloise. Hubris yes, balls no..
Sure, Heloise. Whatever you say, girl.
17 - Heloise
Priceless: watch my man Hannity meltdown!
It's from Think Progres. Another one of my memes.
Heloise
18 - Baritone
Hel,
I DID like the note at that site saying "We watch Fox, so you don't have to." It IS good to know that someone is doing it. I know I couldn't.
B
19 - Dave Nalle
A couple of reality checks for Heloise.
And #2: Can today be John McCain's "Al Gore moment?" His boyz said that McCain, yes McClone invented the RIM blackberry, a Canadian company! Wow can they tell some whoppers? Just in time for more lies.
Except that Al Gore was NOT lying when he claimed to invent the internet. People just didn't get what he was talking about. I was there with him at the time, so I know exactly what he was referring to. He played a very real role in the events from which the internet as we know it today.
And in fact, this blackberry business comes from a statement by a McCain staffer (not McCain) which makes a similar claim for McCain's role in promoting telecommunications development through his legislation. McCain's role would be much less seminal than Gore's in the internet, but it's not an entirely outlandish claim.
And the key difference is that McCain didn't make the claim himself.
#3: Can today mark the tide turning in favor of Obama? Now that the market meltdown, many predicted including him, but not sure, has come about?
That 'market meltdown' would be a drop which took us all the way back to where the market was in mid-july. And a third of which was restored today. Want to bet that Monday's drop will be completely negated by the end of the week?
Dave
20 - Lisa Solod Warren
So, Dave, you think it's all good, then.
21 - Lisa Solod Warren
Some more fun for all of you!!!!
It's on Troopergate.
22 - Andy Marsh
You know what? if the SOB had tazed my nephew, he probably wouldn't be breathing right now and if he was still breathing and an amployee of mine and I told his manager to fire him and he didn't, I'd fire him too!
In other words, who gives a fuck!
23 - Dave Nalle
Yeah, what the hell is wrong with Palin? How dare she think that someone who made death threats against her family should be fired. The nerve!
Dave
24 - Cindy D
Heloise thinks McCain should have quipped "I knew Teddy Roosevelt"...
ROFLOL!
25 - Cindy D
How dare she fire that guy for making death threats. How could anyone accuse Palin of firing people she doesn't like, or for that matter, hiring unqualified people she does like. I'm sure these guys probably made death threats too:
Last summer State Representative John Harris, the Republican speaker of the House, picked up his phone and heard Mr. Palin's voice. The governor's husband sounded edgy. He said he was unhappy that Mr. Harris had hired John Bitney as his chief of staff, the speaker recalled. Mr. Bitney was a high school classmate of the Palins and had worked for Ms. Palin. But she fired Mr. Bitney after learning that he had fallen in love with another longtime friend.
(snip)
Palin...fired the town's museum director, John Cooper. Later, she sent an aide to the museum to talk to the three remaining employees. "He told us they only wanted two," recalled Esther West, one of the three, "and we had to pick who was going to be laid off." The three quit as one.
Ms. Palin cited budget difficulties for the museum cuts. Mr. Cooper thought differently, saying the museum had become a microcosm of class and cultural conflicts in town. "It represented that the town was becoming more progressive, and they didn't want that," he said.
Days later, Mr. Cooper recalled, a vocal conservative, Steve Stoll, sidled up to him. Mr. Stoll had supported Ms. Palin and had a long-running feud with Mr. Cooper. "He said: 'Gotcha, Cooper,' " Mr. Cooper said.
(snip)
In 1997, Ms. Palin fired the longtime city attorney, Richard Deuser, after he issued the stop-work order on a home being built by Don Showers, another of her campaign supporters.
Your attorney, Mr. Showers told Ms. Palin, is costing me lots of money.
(snip)
The Wasilla High School yearbook archive now doubles as a veritable directory of state government.
Palin runs the government of Alaska like it was the high school student council.
When Ms. Palin had to cut her first state budget, she avoided the legion of frustrated legislators and mayors. Instead, she huddled with her budget director and her husband, Todd, an oil field worker who is not a state employee, and vetoed millions of dollars of legislative projects.
Quotes are from this article.