Dick Cheney — the Executive Officer of the Chickenhawk Squadron — is doing his best to avoid an appointment at The Hague.
Incredible. Absolutely freaking incredible.…
"A sinister cabal of superior writers."
The Blinders of Dick Cheney's Patriotism - Comments Page 2
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— go to most recent comments26 - Jeannie Danna
Roger[Don't you have anything good to say about Obama administration? Don't you think, for example, that the crackdown on the credit companies, requiring the kind of transparency not available to consumers before, is a good thing?]
notice this was ramrodded through the House like a bolt of lightning!
Why are all the other bills we so desperately need lying on the floor of the Senate. Do you think on of those "numb nuts" could pick one up and pass it. Note: I refer to the proverbial nut belonging to both male and female!
pass HR 676! pass HR 444 and pass the Lilly ledbetter fair pay bill so the 64% of the working force that is FEMALE can bring home enough money to feed their families!!!
27 - Cindy
Enough with the get a room bullshit. It's really fobnoxious.
fobnoxious - fucking obnoxious
28 - Jeannie Danna
THIS is our room! It belongs to all of us..:)
29 - roger nowosielski
Well, Jeannie. Don't forget me either. I could use an extra hundred a week. Then I wouldn't be stuck on BC every hour of the day.
30 - Andy Marsh
And you should cut back on your caffeine intake!
Enough with the made up contractions. They're really fucking obnoxious!
31 - roger nowosielski
This room business resurfaces every so often. The editors are fairly conscientious about it, though, and tend to clamp down on all suggestions of impropriety.
32 - Jeannie Danna
Cindy, I have found this little fact true my entire life:
When ever a girl or woman says something you don't agree with there is always that little boy or man sitting in the corner trying to bring it back to sex. ANDY, Sex can not be used as a weapon here. Go move to Pakistan or Afghanistan or any other Stan where you will feel like A BIG man...
33 - roger nowosielski
Jeannie, that's not entirely correct. Ask Cindy how many times the suggestion was directed at me and her. It takes all kinds.
34 - Cindy
I fear Jeannie, you won't like me much the next time I talk about Obama who is, I feel, dangerous. I'm just preparing you ahead of time.
The first time I criticized Obama to my mom, she told me these two things: "Obama is a different kind of Capitalist." and "Nothing you say will ever make me change my mind." Knowing my mom--further discussion would not lead to anything good. So, she occasionally glows with praise for Obama while I just make some noncommittal vocalization or change the subject.
Anyway, your enthusiasm reminds me of hers. I am afraid though I can't go as easy on a political blog.
35 - Jeannie Danna
Roger,[Well, Jeannie. Don't forget me either. I could use an extra hundred a week. Then I wouldn't be stuck on BC every hour of the day.] HA HA HA
I am having so much fun here I'm ready to pay BC! :) no offense Andy :(
36 - roger nowosielski
And you had better consult Strunk & White's The Elements of Style from now on - all you inept contraction makers. You're bastardizing the English language.
37 - roger nowosielski
Well, you do meet all kinds here, Jeannie. And that is the truth.
38 - Andy Marsh
Oh please!
let's take a look at this for second here people...look at comment 21 then look at comment 24. If that's not an example of mutual masturbation than I don't know what is!
Why are you LIBERALS so fucking mean anyway? Can't take a joke now and then? Do you ever get laid? Maybe you need to double up on your prosac or something!
39 - Cindy
Jeannie, that's not entirely correct. Ask Cindy how many times the suggestion was directed at me and her. It takes all kinds.
Well that was more because when I like someone I can be very affectionate. It was a mistake to do that here. Though apparently I can get away with it in Clavos' case, I am happy to see. :-)
Also my views in support of people in general are often taken as personal flattery.
On twitter I can sign my messages with love or X's and o's. No one tells me to get a room or misinterprets my affectionate nature.
40 - Jeannie Danna
Cindy, Don't miss-understand my Enthusiasm here!
I like all of the people here Conservative,Republican,Democrat,liberal,Independent,Canadian!
This is freedom of speech! :)
41 - roger nowosielski
Even Andy?
42 - Andy Marsh
So, in other words Cindy, you gave me a ration of shit for a comment that wasn't even meant for you...nice...is that how you get your exercise? Jumping to conclusions?
43 - Clavos
Why should writers not call attention to it and expose his content for what it really is?
Good point, so let's look at a few that do just that.
Victor Davis Hanson:
"In short, while pundits still believe Cheney is a marginalized figure and an easy target of scorn, in fact, his methodical defense of the past is both logical and principled, and is beginning to illustrate, in quite painful fashion, the utter hypocrisy of the entire Democratic position on enhanced interrogations techniques and Guantánamo Bay."
Stephen F. Hayes, Senior Writer, The Weekly Standard:
"While some of these wounds are self-inflicted, there is little doubt that the constant pressure applied by Cheney is having a significant effect.
Cheney is making arguments that the Bush administration largely avoided throughout the second term. Aside from an occasional, defensive speech about its war on terror policies, the Bush White House allowed its opponents to level harsh attacks with little or no response. Only in the final months of the administration did the White House offer a consistent, unapologetic argument that Bush administration policies, however controversial, were responsible for keeping the country safe in the seven years after the 9/11 attacks.
Equally important is that the views of the American public on national security are much closer to Cheney's than Maureen Dowd's. Democrats have made the assumption that because Cheney is personally unpopular, the policies he has advocated are, too. Obama did not become president because voters supported his positions on national security and the war on terror. They don't.
In a widely overlooked Pew poll on "torture" released late last month, respondents were asked: "Do you think the use of torture against suspected terrorists in order to gain important information can often be justified, sometimes be justified, rarely be justified, or never be justified?"...
"...A stunning 71 percent of those surveyed said that the use of torture could be justified--with 15 percent saying it is "often" justified, 34 percent saying it is "sometimes" justified, and 22 percent saying it is "rarely" justified. Independents fall decisively in what most journalists might characterize as the "pro-torture" camp. More than three-quarters of independents--77 percent--said that torture could be justified: with 19 percent saying it is "often" justified, 35 percent saying it is "sometimes" justified, and 23 percent saying it is "rarely" justified. The phrasing of the question also likely resulted in underreporting the support for what Cheney calls "enhanced interrogation," since some of the respondents might be hesitant to admit to a random telephone caller that they favor "torture.""
Jim Geraghty:
"The standard has been set; Obama is now tinkering with the methods. They're betting a lot ??" not just their chance at a second term, but the lives of you and me ??" that they can get the same results with different methods. We will see...
...If there is another successful and terrible terror attack, either on U.S. soil or on a U.S. target abroad, the immediate moment will be too terrible to hear the words "I told you so." But if, God forbid, that day comes, we will know that indeed Dick Cheney did tell us so."
There is also the article, "D.C. Smackdown: Advantage Cheney" to which i linked in my comment #2. Because of the site limit of three links per comment, I can't link to the article here, but there is a link in #2:
"I realize that Dick Cheney is "Darth Vader," as far as the Obama Administration and its allies are concerned. But he is also an excellent debater who is able to bring well-placed facts overwhelmingly to bear in any argument. He did so against Joe Lieberman in the 2000 Vice Presidential debate. He repeated the performance in 2004, manhandling the silver-tongued John Edwards in the process. And despite the fact that I disagree with much that makes up his stance, I have to admit that he appears to have done so again. If President Obama--eloquent as he is--is unable to persuade those who are inclined to agree with him, he ought to reconsider his debating strategy.
Maybe he'll consider taking a lesson from Dick Cheney."
44 - Andy Marsh
That's funny roger!
45 - Cindy
Andy,
Then you tell two men to get a room next time and I won't say a thing.
And I'm not a liberal.
46 - roger nowosielski
Actually, Andy's right. The "room" remark was directed, as best I can tell, to Jordan and Jeannie.
47 - Cindy
Of course it was directed to Jordan and Jeannie, Roger. Who thought it wasn't?
48 - Dan(Miller)
Interesting article and truly fascinating comments.
From the article, we learn that Vice President Cheney (who apparently wore a funny hat) is a "chickenhawk," that the "torture" employed by the U.S. to gain information from three terrorists was worse than the "torture" employed by Nazi Germany during WWII, that the Nazis employed more safeguards and used less outrageous methods, and that Vice President Cheney's own statements have landed him afoul of international law and treaty so that he should have an appointment at The Hague.
From the comments, we learn (# 9) that Vice President Cheney is the Dark Lord, that (#11) Cheney's God is money and his church is the OIL INDUSTRY!, that he created (#13) more than a handful of fresh new terrorists with vigorous hate hard-ons for America., that we should (#18) Look at his hunched shoulders and the way he postures towards the interviewers leaning forward and almost falling out of his seat. I am truly surprised that he has not had another coronary by now!, that (#20) Vice President Cheney is a bitter old man who wandered out of his retirement home, and that his (#21 and #24) robotic heart is standing up pretty well. . .
The comprehension of the "torture" issue is truly outstanding; good, hard headed factual analysis such as presented here is so much needed in these times of partisan bickering and ad hominem mud slinging. I am proud to see my colleagues from the left rise so far above that sort of thing.
Palpable anger always leads to rational discussion. More! MORE, I say!
Dan(Miller)
49 - Jeannie Danna
Roger, Are you referring to ME! I was about to say thanks for your reference to About . com in fact I am trying to download the free version of White smoke grammar checker it would really help me! :) but every time I try to choose the free version it changes to 99 bucks :)
50 - Cindy
Women sometimes support each other. Men and women sometimes support each other too.
51 - roger nowosielski
But your response to Andy made him think he was referring to you and Jeannie. At least Jeannie thought so.
52 - Clavos
You're wasting your time, Dan(Miller).
It seems they are all about to get a very large and rubber-lined room.
53 - roger nowosielski
Are you referring to the Strunk & White remark and the business of contraction-making? No! That was Cindy's flagrant violation.
54 - Jeannie Danna
Cindy, [Women sometimes support each other. Men and women sometimes support each other too.]
I RETWEET YOU :)
55 - roger nowosielski
Yes, Mr. Miller. This thread has become way too personalized to your taste. I looked for a show of support, though, yesterday, but all the big conservative guns had decided to keep silent. Oh, well.
56 - roger nowosielski
I'll second that, Jeannie. I'd rather view all humans as androgynous beings - after Virginia Woolf's fine example.
57 - Jeannie Danna
Clavos, [It seems they are all about to get a very large and rubber-lined room.] you can join us! the more the merrier ha ha ha
58 - Andy Marsh
Personally, I may need that padded room shortly.
As I am now self employed, I've decided to start my Memorial Day weekend early. I'm heading to the golf course with a new driver!
It's too nice a day to fight with you guys any more!
I wish you all a nice long weekend and try to remember what it's supposed to be about, at least on Monday...
...and why in the world would I ever tell two men to get a room? EWWWWW! And I hate to tell you this, but you sure are a liberal. I've been reading your comments way to long for you to try to blow that smoke up my ass!!!
Have fun, maybe I'll see you next week! I know some of you are hoping I'll stay away longer next time!
HA!
59 - Jeannie Danna
OK let's get back to the subject:
CHENEY sucks!
60 - Cindy
Andy and Roger,
People create the English language. Not them people -- us people.
Roger, you should read the short essay or whatever it's called that I wrote and I posted to Clav on the subject. Here it is again.
61 - Cindy
oops messed up the html.
My Subjunctive Mood
62 - Jeannie Danna
OMG! my courser started moving across the screen by itself and it scared the hell out of me after my last comment! Then I realized the mouse was falling off my desk :)
63 - Glenn Contrarian
Dave -
'Desperation'? 'Lame BS'? 'Pointless attack?'
If this is so, then why hasn't ANYone with direct experience with interrogation - whether the lawful way or whether with torture - has said ANYthing to back Cheney up?
64 - roger nowosielski
"Andy and Roger"
I wasn't being constipated or anally-retentive. Again, you misplace your references.
65 - Jeannie Danna
Bye Andy, You know what George Carlin used to say "Give all the golf-courses to the homeless!" How's that for liberal rhetoric!
66 - Cindy
Andy you are wrong. I'm not a liberal. Liberals support the idea of government. I am much farther left than a liberal.
67 - Jeannie Danna
I am having fun but I really have to pay some attention to Rick(husband) and we want to do a little yard-work. Believe it or not there is a little sunshine in western NY right now! Bye everyone :)
68 - roger nowosielski
Jeannie,
Why don't you withhold your remarks to him until he's back online.
Just a suggestion.
69 - Cindy
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37 - roger nowosielski
May 22, 2009 at 7:39 am
And you had better consult Strunk & White's The Elements of Style from now on - all you inept contraction makers. You're bastardizing the English language.
Roger, you were just joking?
70 - roger nowosielski
Of course it was said in the spirit of irony, in reference to Andy's earlier comment about contractions.
71 - Cindy
Ah...sorry then Roger.
72 - roger nowosielski
You should try to get a better feel as to where people stand on any number of issues - for there's certainly plenty of material to go by, the voluminous threads, for one thing.
I know, you occasionally forget in the heat of the moment.
73 - roger nowosielski
BTW, since I signed up yesterday for the Yahoo Group that Lisa was talking about, I'm getting swamped with emails. I don't know if that's your experience, but I don't need to be so bombarded with information. I think I'll disengage.
74 - Glenn Contrarian
'Pointless'
Interrogators have come forward during the Bush administration who stated that they saw firsthand how our torture was used to recruit more terrorists...and one can only wonder how many American soldiers have been killed BECAUSE of this wonderful recruiting tool we gave the terrorists.
'Pointless'
In the first Iraq war, thousands of Iraqis lined up to surrender. How many enemies of ours in the Middle East would surrender now, now that they KNOW we might torture them?
'Pointless'
Even though so far it's ONLY chickenhawks - people who have little REAL military experience - who support torture. So far, NO military, FBI, or CIA agents have come out FOR the torture. All who have done so, have come out AGAINST torture.
What's POINTLESS, Dave, are the blinders you are continuing to wear. Maybe you haven't experienced being on the metaphorical pedestal in a foreign country just because you're an American. Maybe you haven't experienced a foreigner's eagerness to sincerely discuss crucially important matters with you just because you're an American.
I have...but we've lost much of that moral authority. We've lost much of that TRUST, of that HONOR. And whether you know it or not, such moral authority and trust and honor is PRICELESS and not easily gained, much less regained.
These are what Bush and Cheney so cheaply threw away in the name of expediency...and these are what you would refuse for the same reason.
75 - Cindy
#73 - roger nowosielski
This from someone who says everyone assumed a comment was between two people...one of whom hadn't even posted yet!
Keen eye there Mr. Eagle.
Please stop giving me advice Roger. It really is a lame thing to do when someone doesn't want it. Tell you what I will update my list now and then and when your name appears you can give me all the advice you want.
Here you go: List of people whose advice I welcome and seriously consider:
Mark
Irene
Les Slater
Bliffle (though he never gave me any)
End of List