Israeli politicians manage to mess up a successful anti-terror operation of the IDF.
The IDF, under the command of Ehud Barak, demonstrated that it could do more than merely bully Jews and destroy their homes. The much ballyhooed "convoy to Gaza", sailing under the Turkish flag, was boarded and seized at about midnight, 31 May 2010, Israel Summer Time.…
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426 - roger nowosielski
#424
Is this a variant of the argument, you are what you eat?
427 - Ruvy
Les, have you noticed how many people have commented here on the disinvite the "Tel Aviv love embassy" got from the organizers of the Madrid Gay Pride Parade?
From the article:
"Like their counterparts worldwide, the Israeli gay community is one of the most progressive and left-wing in the country. One Israeli gay rights organization, Black Laundry, describes itself as “a direct action group of lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transgenders, and others against the occupation and for social justice.”
But neither Israel’s exemplary record on gay issues nor the hostility towards homosexuals by Hamas and its supporters seems to have made any impression on the gay Spaniards. What the head of the Madrid Gay Collective, which organizes the parade, told the Spanish publication Libertad Digital (Spanish link) contradicted any excuse of security concerns, painting the decision in clearly political colors. He said that Israelis " including the gay community " are “the executioners and now they want to play the victim.”
428 - Ruvy
The ironies I saw while reading that were just delicious....
429 - Les Slater
427, 428 - Thanks Ruvy - I agree. No one, just because of where they live should be held responsible for the policies and actions of the government of where they're from. I will comment more later. I have to head out to a meeting.
430 - roger nowosielski
Except for those who approve of said policies.
431 - Les Slater
Approve or not? Such litmus would eliminate most from the United States. Why single people out who are from Israel?
432 - roger nowosielski
So be it. I'm being evenhanded in applying the same standard.
433 - Ruvy
Roger, you keep letting your ignorance of specifics get in the way of the fine arguments you would like to make. Most of these gay groups in Israel are pro-Arab, want to see me and all the rest of us in Judea and Samaria kicked out of our homes and, and, and....
BUT they have the sense to recognize that Arab society as it is now in Israel is homophobic in the extreme - so they attempt to protect these gay Arabs.
The delicious irony is that the bigoted Spaniards don't care. The bigoted Spaniards see yet one more opportunity to spit at los judios. It is for reasons like these that the young S'faradi girl sitting on the bus next to me thirty-seven years ago on the way back from Eilat waved aside my explanations of what non-Jews think with this simple sweeping statement: kodem kol, kol goyim Hayot "First of all, all goyim are animals". It shocked me at the time, but after living here and seeing the hatred and venom directed at Jews, I don't need any convincing to agree with her.
And the Israeli gay orgs are not gay at all from being bitten in the ass (pun intended) by the Spanish bigots. They haven't leaned any lessons. They will still go on supporting the positions that undermine the security of their country. But they are beginning to comprehend that there is more to discrimination than some straight Israeli insulting them.
434 - roger nowosielski
I wasn't speaking of any gay groups. Your comment is clearly misdirected.
435 - Christopher Rose
Ruvy, with regard to your repeated calls for all Jews to move to Israel, my understanding is that the current Israeli population is a little short of six million.
Given that the global Jewish population is something like 14 million, where exactly do you see them all living in the pretty unlikely event that they did?
Secondly, given that the overwhelming majority of Jews clearly don't want to move there, shouldn't you respect the majority view and perhaps not be so judgemental?