Christian support of illegal immigrants is dangerous to both the security, and economic stability of the United States.
There is a huge difference between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. LEGAL immigrants pay taxes, learn our language, and contribute to the United States as a whole. I support legal immigration, and this article is not intended to speak against legal immigrants or legal immigration.…
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— go to most recent comments76 - Baronius
Jinger, is your comment #42 a reply to my comment #41? I'm afraid you missed my point: that I agree with you. I'm not defending the pro-immigration sentiments among some Christians. I mentioned them in response to earlier commenters who had never heard of a religious/immigration connection.
I also agree with your reading of Mt 22, that rendering unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's means compliance with the laws of the state (although I might add that we are under no obligation to comply with any immoral laws). (I'm sure that caveat is going to freak out some non-Christians on this site, so let me mention Selma, Alabama and hope they understand me.)
Aside from the requirement to follow law, I don't get your tie-in between immigration and Christianity. But it's unnecessary. It doesn't change the argument if illegals drain the economy, or if they brighten our days with colorful flower arrangements. As long as illegal immigration is illegal, that's enough to justify opposing it.
We should probably avoid debating Catholicism under this topic. Happy Memorial Day, and thanks for your service.
77 - Heloise
Conservatives are seen as Christians and Bush ran on being a "Compassionate Conservative" from the advice and book from a Jewish author. So I understand who you are addressing in this essay. I think it is excellent whether or not there is the Christian angle to it. That does not strengthen nor weaken your argument.
I see the illegals and the anchor babies everyday filling up our schools. It was the will of the people that busing not be forced on black and white children. They were outvoted. It is now historical fact that this desegregating of schools led to massive white flight and the ruination of the city of Dallas, just to name one city that was destroyed by something that did not last long.
Schools are not only resegregated but now black and white kids are telling me all the time that their parents are leaving the city because it is too dangerous. Even blacks are leaving the city and moving to newly established black middle class suburbs. People are advocating that blacks segregate themselves into their own schools. Why? Because their interest has been subsumed with the crowding out by illegal alien children.
The overwhelming language needs, socialization, content remediation is just as great or greater than those of poor black chidren. The needs of the illegals will soon smother and extinguish the needs of black children. All made possible by the greed of those parents who have invaded, literally invaded our cities.
It is beyond upsetting it is downright evil. I see not only the greed behind this move but I also see the practical side. Not only are they putting an extreme burden on the health care with their diseases but they have a higher rate of idiocy, mental and physical retardation than other groups. The percentage of retardation in their children is something that no one figures into the cost. Do you have any idea how much more they are getting for having a retarded child?
I am one who has no permanent job, can't get one, despite being a certified teacher, I have NO health insurance, and have to take whatever jobs I can to pay my bills. I am well educated and decided to become a writer because I can't get a real job.
People wake up!
Heloise
78 - anonymous
I am one who has no permanent job, can't get one, despite being a certified teacher
Your comments about retardation being a racial thing makes you unfit to be a teacher.
79 - Bliffle
My wifes school is 90% hispanic, and it's generally acknowledged that 90% of those are illegals. The medical burden is astonishingly high, as is domestic violence, child abuse, murder, and gang activity (she's seen many promising children slide into gang activity). Problem families are no longer an exception that can be handled as special cases. Problem families are common, it is normal families that are exceptional.
80 - Mathew
Hi, pls consider the fact that thousands and thousands of people from all over the world dream of coming to America. It is because this country. It is because, this country is such a country, and this country cannot stand in the way of a person who intends to come here. "Thats love and thats America"
Mathew
81 - Arch Conservative
Gotta love those illegals and how much they contribute huh Casey.
That's not what AMerica is Matthew. people want to come here because thier own nations are either third world shitholes rife with poverty and corruption or socialist shitholes rife with unemployment and pacifist pussies
82 - Christopher Rose
Archie, before you get too gung-ho about the USA, please try to remember there ARE actually other places to be that are just as good or, let me whisper it, even better!
Perhaps your country attracts people from "third world shitholes rife with poverty and corruption or socialist shitholes rife with unemployment and pacifist pussies" as you, with your usual charm, put it because they'd feel right at home there?
I'd rather chop off large parts of my body off than live in such a rude, dangerous, unfriendly and unintelligent place as your America and I hope you never get a visa to enter Europe!
83 - Heloise
I can post the URLs with the medical research. I am talking about research that shows that eating large amounts of corn products (some tainted, some of it genetically engineered), they even have the amount of corn that Mexican women eat per month, is ACTUALLY causing higher rates of mental retardation among MEXICANS. NOW EAT THAT! #78.
I am not only certified and qualified in two areas, but the system wants people who are unbelievably low skilled. Since I have two real degrees, and not the bullshit degree in teaching, I am overqualified to teach in public school.
Most teachers do NOT have degrees in the content area they teach. That's why I don't have a job. I am overqualified and not a socialist ass kisser like yourself.
Heloise
84 - Michael J. West
Archie, before you get too gung-ho about the USA, please try to remember there ARE actually other places to be that are just as good
I think it was David Sedaris who said, "Surprising as it is to most Americans, people in other countries don't chant, 'We're number two!'"
85 - Michael J. West
I am overqualified to teach in public school.
Then stop teaching in public school.
86 - Heloise
We know that hospitals in LA are closing due to the burden of illegal immigration but now there is documentation of schools with 100% Mexican population having to close. Why? Because what you may not know is that what schools get from the feds in terms of dollars is linked to the rate of attendance. In other words when the attendance gets so low, as in dropouts and no shows, then it effects the budget of that particular school.
And hell, if those illegals want to hang out, eat corn, put on makeup ad nauseum, fuck, have more illegal babies, act like packaged commerically pushed "black culture" as espoused by BET (now white owned), then what is a school to do to attract people who don't want to be there?
Fact: The dropout rate and poor attendance rate among illegals and Mexicans is THE highest among any group, including poor black children. If you want to dispute that then show me where you have taught in those types of schools and read the facts and figures on it.
Fact: They have high rates of mental and physical retardation.
Fact: The law that states that a child born on American soil makes the child automatically a US citizen is NOT a fact. It was formulated so that children of former BLACK slaves would become citizens of this country when born here.
Fact: That law was NEVER meant to grant automatic citizenship to the anchor babies of illegal alien females who jump the border invaded one of the local hospitals and dropped their baby bombs on stupid Californians.
Fact: Banks like Wells Fargo are aiding and assisting illegal aliens to get mortgages and open bank accounts both here and in MEXICO.
Fact: You must get and apply for a birth certificate regardless to the legal status of the parents. What about people who are American and have a baby out of the country? They too have to show papers.
It is not racist to point out the weakness in any group. Remember the good old days when it was just blacks and whites hating each other and fighting for civil rights in the cities?
Heloise
PS: I am not only a proud black American but also a woman. I have been accused of being a white male (that was my last life). And yes, I have lots of LEGAL immigrant friends, and naturalized citizens (mostly from India).
My family is part Latino (Cuban). But we are NO part Mexican, but also part American Indian. So that makes us natives...hehehehe
87 - Heloise
I am overqualified to teach in public school.
Then stop teaching in public school.
Do you know how hard it is to get a job when you are overqualified for anything? I only work as a substitute because if I ever get a classroom job then it would add to my years of teaching.
Heloise
88 - Arch Conservative
I'd rather chop off large parts of my body off than live in such a rude, dangerous, unfriendly and unintelligent place as your America and I hope you never get a visa to enter Europe!
Sounds like you're describing France not America Christopher. Americans don't have shit on the hordes of unbathed, brie eating, surrender monkeys that inhabit France when it comes to being rude and xenophobic Chris.
I have a T shirt that has a german and french flag on it and it says what part of europe are you from.....
underneath the french flag it says "the part whose ass we saved" and under the german flag it says "the part who ass we kicked." Hahah
But seriously ....Europe sucks... you can have it all to yourself Chris.
As for AMerica not being the best nation on earth.........
if America is such a bad place why do more people seek to emigrate here than any other nation on earth? why do people buy our products and immerse themselves in things produced by the american culture? why does the UN (useless nations) get about half it's funding from the US and then badmouth us?
Seems to me like most of the rest of the world are a bunch of fucking hypocrites.
89 - Christopher Rose
Actually, I've been to France many times and, apart from their odd conviction that French is a great language, they're very charming people.
Your ideas seem rooted in a warped mindset of hate and odd post 2nd World War prejudices, Archie. You do understand that all ended over sixty years ago, right?
Maybe it's because the USA so very nearly sided with Germany back then that bugs you about the French?
Or maybe it's because your country would probably never have won its freedom from the British if it wasn't for crucial French military intervention?
Or is it that France loved the idea of America so much as to send it the Statue of Liberty?
Archie, I'd say it is you that is the hypocrite - but don't go letting reality get in the way of venting your own bitter stream of bile, that's so much more fun and doesn't require any of that tricky thinking stuff or intellectual honesty.
90 - Arch Conservative
I've been to Paris in the past 5 years and they are assholes!
Yes the french did help us win our independence from the British but we have repaid the favor tenfold.
My ideas are based on what's going on in the world today Chris.
You don't see people clamoring, risking thier lives to get into France do you?
NO other nation or culture has as much widspread and far reaching influence on the world than America.
Virtually every nation in europe has a much higher unemployment rate than that of the US.
I'd say you were jealous and that that was the root of your animosity toward the US Chris but I know better. You're so ignorant that you actually believe the bile that YOU spill. Typical European non-american douchebag with a superiority complex.
Most european nations are at least 4-5 times older than America yet we have eclipsed them in every aspect of government, economics, science, technology you name it, in just over 200 years.
You conviently ignored many of the points that I made with regard to America being the most emigrated to country in the world, America funding nearly half of the UN, America giving more in economic aid to impoverished nations than any other nation, America donating more than nay other nation in the world to the AIDS problem in Africa, America giving more aid than any other nation to help the victims of the recent tsunami in asia...etc etc etc
Why don't you address some of these points Chris?
91 - yomero
Well, why are you worry? I'm Mexican and really i don't care about your country, in fact is last country in this world i would go. Immigration in latin american is a cultural problem, all those people are just following the funny american dream, like all your ancestors, so please think first before sy something stupid, just like "Supporting Illegal Immigration Is NOT Christian", please grow up schizoids!!!!!!
92 - anonymous
That's not what AMerica is Matthew. people want to come here because thier own nations are either third world shitholes rife with poverty and corruption or socialist shitholes rife with unemployment and pacifist pussies
Nice ... do you pray to Jesus with that mouth??
93 - Bliffle
I go to France regularly, and my wife is french. I have never been treated rudely or been insulted by a French person. If you treat them as a reasonable human they will return the favor. Like most people anywhere in the world, they will treat you as you treat them: maybe that's why they treat you like an a..hole.
94 - Christopher Rose
Actually, Archie, people are risking their lives to get into Europe every single day. YOU may not see it but it's pretty hard for you to see anything new bent over double like that.
Nobody is denying the USA has had a lot of influence on global culture but not all of it has been good. Sure, there are some structural problems to be over come but I'd rather have our social model than the USA's mix of heavy state control, heavy policing and high crime any day.
I was wondering when you'd trot out the lazy jealousy argument - it's just as mistaken as your empty presumption that I spilt any bile at all. Let's see, I'm simultaneously jealous, ignorant, and a European non-American douchebag with a superiority complex. I'm just grateful the only power you have is to vote once every few years.
The USA hasn't eclipsed anybody at all, just because one star shines briughtly doesn't drown out the whole sky. You just sound insecure and full of empty bravado, desperately trying to reduce these topics to the level of some school football game.
I don't know if the USA is the country most people want to move to and really don't care. It seems most people want to shop at WalMart and eat in MacDonalds but that doesn't mean it is somehow a better choice.
As for funding the UN, I think it's still the case that the USA is the country with the largest unpaid contributions ever and seems to think that not paying in billions of dollars whilst complaining about the UN's lack of resources is a credible policy.
I'm no expert on these things like some but I think you'll also find that US economic aid may be the largest in dollar terms but not as a peercentage of the economy - which is of course the only rational basis for comparison.
95 - Dave Nalle
There's nothing wrong with the French. I've been there quite a few time and outside of Paris they're generally pretty reasonable people. In Paris there are people in the service industry who ARE arrogant and anti-American, but it's very different in the countryside or smaller cities. My main complaint about France these days is the damned African immigrants who can't speak proper French and are incomprehensible, and yet management insists on putting them on the drive through speaker at McDonalds.
Dave
96 - MCH
"There's nothing wrong with the French."
True, and they were right about opposing the invasion and occupation of Iraq.
97 - Dave Nalle
Guess I have to take back my approval of the French. There's nothing wrong with them except for their willingness to let the people of Iraq live under an oppressive regime so long as it bribed them with oil.
Is that better?
Dave
98 - Beth
Jinger Jarrett wrote: "What's worse, aren't we creating a double standard by saying that we will convict some people of certain crimes but not others? Lawbreakers, regardless of the crime, must be punished. This is the only way that we can keep order in this country and preserve our sovereignty."
Just who broke the law? Who didn't preserve our sovereignty? That's where the disagreement among christians is!!!
By refusing to enforce the law’s (and in some cases at the local level even deliberately obstructing the laws) established in 86 by the IRCA, the US Federal, State, and local governments, has in fact agreed to a “social contract” (as fmr. Rep. Newt Gingrich referred to it) with our illegal immigrants, by giving them a wink and nod, as they uprooted and fled the poverty in their home land, entered this country, and took up employment!
Now! almost two decades later, they’ve suddenly decided they want to pull this contract away from them, and by fining their current employers, force them back to a land where any hope of bettering their lives could be some 20 30 years away. In other words they are going to punish them for something, the US government, has been encouraging them to do! Just what penalty will government officials be paying for their disregard of the law? How about we Christians begin advocating for a provision requiring that any Local, State or Federal official, who either ignored/refused, or enacted a policy designed to obstruct the federal laws established in the 86 IRCA, and any future law breaking official, receive no less than ten years in federal prison. (the same amount of time proposed in the Senate bill for becoming an American citizen)
Their two decade long, government-sanctioned social contract, has resulted in a permanent underclass because they are less able to bargain individually with employers for a full market wage, and therefore have no way of achieving economic mobility. President Bush is doing the only thing a good Christian would do, the right thing, by proposing we give them the opportunity to raise them-selves out of this underclass.
Furthermore, I’ve heard other members of my party express concerns about the amount of immigrants the Senate bill will allow into this country. On the Radio they were saying that allowing 60 million immigrants from third world countries over the next twenty years would be disastrous and would increase the welfare state to unprecedented proportions. I don’t understand why we would be fearful of 60 million new immigrants over the next twenty years. As our baby boomers retire, isn’t the United States going to lose 78.2 million Americans from it’s work force over the next twenty years?? Are not more and more Americans beginning to agree that giving young Americans the freedom to chose where their Social Security comes is the right thing to do?? Don’t immigrants come to make a better lives for themselves, because laws in their birth country prohibits growth?? With the help of our more libertarian Republicans, more and more Americans are better understanding that government run institutions restrict the freedom to chose, and government entitlements in general, create poverty!
Immigrant from socialist countries already and corrupt countries like Mexico already understand this fact.
Personally I think our conservative representatives, worried about the immigrant growth causing the welfare state to grow, need to worry about doing what they do best, continuing to cut our taxes even further, so that we have more of our money to give to our Churches and charities. The churches, worshipers and charity volunteers will worry about doing what we do best, helping people, be they native or new immigrants, to help themselves achieve a better life!
99 - DazeyMai
MCH....You are so right!
Dave....You eat at McDonald's in France? Are you kidding?
100 - Michael J. West
There's nothing wrong with the French
Don't you mean, "the Freedom?"
101 - sr
Dave#95. This is why I dont drive through. The IQ of most workers at McDonalds and all the others types is below camel dung. America the stupid.
This brings me to Minority Leader Harry the little wimp Reid. What a macho mam. Say all you want to this dork and the answer is always the same. "Racist". What would Reid have done if she was president on 911?
In 1906 congress passed and President Theodore Roosevelt signed legislation requiring people seeking to become naturalized citizens to demonstrate oral English literacy. Guess Theodor was a racist Harry. In 1950, the requirement was strengthend to require people to demonstrate an understanding of the English language. More racist for Harry. Now it gets even more racist Harry so hold on to your panties. Including an ability to read, write and speak words in ordinary usage in the English language.
Let us all go out and vote. We have no frecking clue about who we are voting for, what the prop's mean and how do I amend this or that.
America, bend over and kiss your stupid big fat ass adios.
102 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
sr opines,
"Dave#95. This is why I dont drive through. The IQ of most workers at McDonalds and all the others types is below camel dung. America the stupid."
Hmmm...
sr, I used to manage a Burger King in Minnesota, and I will tell you that the drive-thru workers we had were prewtty sharp cookies - especially when you lined them up against a lot of the fools who came through gabbing on cell phones and not paying attention at all to what they were allegedly doing.
I never almost ordered on a drive-thru myself anywhere in the States - but this was because I didn't want to sit on line and spend gasoline if I didn't have to. Most of the time, the drive-thru workers at other restaurants I visited were pretty sharp and on the ball.
103 - Arch Conservative
There's nothing wrong withthe French unless you don't consider anything wrong with the folllowing: taking bribes to look the other way from a crazy Iraqi dictator who brutalizes his people and ignores UN resolutions, having a national unemployment rate over 10% and an unemployment rate for young people in the high 20%, having riots in the streets due to racial tensions and a stagnant economy,
A quote from Chris
"I don't know if the USA is the country most people want to move to and really don't care."
Yes of course Americans are the ignorant ones right Chris?
If there is such a distaste for all things American in europe and everywhere else then why doesn't everyone just say no to our money, military and culture? I mean if europe is so superior why don't they do this Chris?
I know you like to think of Europe as some sociliast utopia Chris but the facts just don't bear it out. First of all, the major nations of europe Germany, France, Spain, Italy, all have unemplyment rates of over double that of the US. Great britian does have a slightly lower unemployment rate than the US but then the world has seen that they like not to be grouped in with mainland Europe and many of Brits are in staunch oppoisition ot being part of the EU. Third...the gross domestic product per capita of all european nations is lower than that of all but 4 states in the US. That's right whole european nations cannot even compete with single states in America.
Chris writes
"I'd rather have our social model than the USA's mix of heavy state control, heavy policing and high crime any day."
Heavy state control in America? The last time I checked you guys in Europe were taxed almost twice as much as we are here for the purpose of personal wealth and income redistribution. The healthcare systems in europe are either owned by or run by the government.
You mentioned that comparing economic figures can only be done as percents rather than raw numbers if it is to make sense. The same goes for crime.
According to interpol the crime rates per 100,000 in 2001 were:
* 4161 - US
* 7736 - Germany
* 6941 - France
* 9927 - England and Wales
The numbers don't seem to support you high crime in America assertion do they Chris?
So if you want to keep making dumbass assumptions about the contrat between America dn Europe please do.
I am quite prepared to keep proving you wrong Chris.
104 - Christopher Rose
Archie, firstly, you aren't proving me wrong, you're only proving that you can't understand somebody who speaks the same language as you, never mind someone who doesn't actually speak English.
To call me ignorant for not being up to date on the latest trends in US migration is as laughable as it is irrelevant. I simply said that I wouldn't want to live in an America as defined by your warped and hateful set of beliefs.
You'll just have to trust me on that. I find you delusional, paranoid, mean and nasty and that's not a set of values I can get behind.
You don't know the first thing about what I think, Archie, you're too busy leaping to your stereotyped mindset and hurling out your bitter cliches.
Sure, there are several economic and social issues that need addressing in Europe. That's always been true and always will be, both in Europe and the USA - and everywhere else in the world for that matter - so you're not really saying anything at all. Mind you, we already knew that.
Over incorrect assumptions you might want to rethink before continuing to make a fool of yourself in public:-
1. State control and taxes are not the same thing.
2. Changing the subject without answering the question is NOT an acceptable response.
3. Life IS more violent and aggressive in the USA, particularly in the major cities but also out in the countryside too.
I have been to the USA many times, in areas of fantastic wealth and mindshredding poverty, and seen a lot of crime. I have also spent a lot of time in almost all the major European state capitals.
Trust me, it's not the same at all, regardless of what those statistics of yours may say. The level of aggression in the air is markedly higher in the USA.
In some ways you are a classic American stereotype yourself, somewhere between the emotional depth of Al Bundy and the intellectual grasp of Cliff from Cheers. Thanks for the entertainment.
The USA is a wonderful country of magnificent landscapes and unlimited hopes of a better future in a more just world.
It's also, as one of the world's younger national cultures, just a little unsure of it's role in a world that it's only comparatively recently come to understand as rather more complicated and nuanced than it first appeared.
Ready to come down off that high horse yet, cowboy?
105 - Bliffle
"Dave....You eat at McDonald's in France? Are you kidding?"
Actually, McD is better in France than in the US. The burgers are leaner and less fatty, the frites are excellent and the espresso is often the best in town. In fact, I have scandalized my French family by getting espresso at the McD drivethru, which is always empty (of course, one misses the REAL pleasure of a cafe, sitting at the table on the plaza watching the people, enjoying the air, the chiaroscuro shadows of plane trees on the earth, etc.). Nevertheless, the McD burgers are not good enough to sway one from going to a real restaurant or sidewalk cafe for lunch. But the McD on Champs elysee is always jammed because it is a very chic meeting place for young parisians. It's easy to find: right across from the huge Banana Republic and Virgin Records store which are the ultimate in chic.
106 - Les Slater
Nobody has made a case as to what God or Jesus think about all this. Is Jesus to sit back and let his followers quote scripture that was written when the world was enormously different than it is today?
Christians have taken opposite positions on important issues past. Slavery was one of them. Did God, or even the scripture really, and definitively, support either side?
It was resolved through a civil war. The issues were social, economic and political.
The same is true for immigration.
The call to resist the ‘invasion’ in religious garb is just a reactionary appeal to irrational fears. This more than borders on the hysterical.
107 - sr
Ruvy my amigo, Yes I know you managed a Burger King in Minnesota which was some time ago. Come to Florida. It's not just the drive throuh. Inside is the same. KFC is another story. The old Col would be doing flip flops if he could see the Kingdom of Fried Chicken now.
Arch, Sure crime is up in Europe. They removed those dreadful guns from the law abiding. Guess who still has the guns? CORRECT.
Never been to France. No desire. However if I did my choice of cuisine would not be dining under the golden arches. France will be the next kingdom of fat, second to America when they start eating double meat, double cheese, double whoppers, double fries, and all the other fat foods. Napoleon Bonaparte once said for an army to win they should eat 2lb's of escargot and 3gal's of wine each day and leave the whoppers and fries for our enemy.
Makes sence to me.
Monday is Memorial Day. Thank a vet.
108 - Beth
Chris, I don't disagree with your perception of Arch’s attitude. There is no doubt, he has allowed the pride he takes in our country to become arrogance, and he could probably use a reminder that the US is only a few law’s away from becoming one of those “shitholes” (as he put it), to bring about the humility he’s lacking. Fortunately, for the USA we aren't all as insulting, and arrogant as he is.
However, in the same breath, I do agree with many of the statements he’s made on the comparisons between America and Europe. Your right, America is one of the younger nation’s in the world, and yet she has exceeded our European counterparts to become the most powerful and successful nation in the world today. I have no doubt that this success is due to American ambition and because of the lack of State control, not heavy state control. (But it is increasing by the day)
However, in the same breath the destruction and devastation that Europe suffered due to WWII was so great, that Europe was forced to begin again from scratch, and therefore could be considered even younger than the US. How far Europe has come since WWII , should also bring a great sense of pride to Europeans.
Arch used taxes to point out that Europeans live in a country with more state control than America because Americans see taxes AS state control. For two reasons- Anytime a government can decide how much of your hard earned income, you can keep, and how much the government can take, that is state control. 2nd. The more money the government takes from you the more power and control over your life it can take from you. Governments can’t support the institutions that it creates to control your choices, actions, your life in general, without your money.
Also His arrogance aside, I think he was trying to assert that the US is the most generous nation in the world. He only mentioned the monetary aspect of US giving, (probably because he was too occupied with insulting you) But had he included US resources, he’d be correct in his assertion, both in absolute measurements and as a percentage of GDP. In addition to giving more foreign aid, and in private foreign aid in absolute numbers, than any other country, we have long provided the most foreign direct investment to the developing world and generated the bulk of the world's research and development, spurring long-lasting economic development and saving lives through better food and medication. We also contribute the most militarily, guaranteeing the security necessary for growth and democracy. The big point--that the totality of U.S. foreign assistance far exceeds all other developed nations. Giving in this manner is very consistent with the personal beliefs held by the majority of Americans. That being, that the best way to help those in need, is to help them pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
ARCH is being a twit really necessary? BTW Our health care system might as well be state controlled, it is unarguably one of the most heavily government regulated industries, hence the reason it is so expensive today. Sadly since complete and utter disregard for the constitution has become the norm, the reality is that our health care system is only one liberal presidential pen stroke away from becoming a universal health care system.
Remember Arch: But for the grace of God there go I…
109 - Les Slater
Beth,
Foreign aid is designed to bankrupt and impoverish the recipient country as a set-up for economic rape and pillage.
110 - sr
ARCH, Keep being a twit. Im a twit myself just like Beth is a twit. Mark Twain once said it is far better to speak twitenly then not to speak as a twit. Twain remains for all and he hait no twit.
Forever twitenly.
sr.
111 - MCH
"Guess I have to take back my approval of the French. There's nothing wrong with them except for their willingness to let the people of Iraq live under an oppressive regime so long as it bribed them with oil."
- Dave Nalle
And of course, all your hundreds-of-thousands of rhetorical, typed words of "support" of the invasion have made exactly same the impact as what the French have done:
Z-E-R-O!!
So you actually have more in common with the French than to our soldiers being sacrificed over there, Nalle...
112 - Dave Nalle
You know, there's a whole thread of relevant discussion here you could comment on, MCH. But you'd rather bore us with your repetative irrelevancies.
Dave
113 - Bliffle
"...There's nothing wrong with them except for their willingness to let the people of Iraq live under an oppressive regime so long as it bribed them with oil."
But wasn't that US policy a few years ago? I remember happy smiling pictures of one D Rumsfeld with Saddam under an earlier administration that was considered Excellent.
Maybe it's just hard for dimwits like me and the French to follow the twists and turns of administration policy.
114 - Nancy
I've always found the French to be lively, lovely people - and I can't speak French very well at all, but they were generous in spite of that. Besides, anyone who invents Brie & can make bread the way they do is AOK in my book. And like w/the US, it ain't the French people who are skanks - it's the French (and US) governments. Viva le peuple Francois!
115 - Joey
Have you taken enough yet? I see your point, to a degree. But this weekend a though occurred to me.
Given the argument at hand, and the "talk" of amnesty... has ushered in a surprising (yet not surprising) event.
The discussion around amnesty is bringing EVEN MORE people to the border. EVEN MORE people are crossing, EVEN MORE people stand to injure themselves... why? So they can get in under the wire IF, I say IF, I say it again IF, amnesty is granted...
So... the mere debate around a POSSIBLE AMNESTY is causing a rise in the crossing rates.
10 percent of Mexico now lives in the U.S.? Wow.
There is a lot to be said for the corrupt government and other business practices within a country if fully 10% of it's population leaves to live in a better off, convenient country located next door.
That's amazing. Why are we the magnate? Based on your writing... America is a blessed nation, we have favor in God's eyes. Is that true? Is that the reason we appear to be a light upon the world? A beacon of hope. An answer to prayer.
That's a lot to think about. There is a lot wrapped into those thoughts, which a lot of Americans, and respondants to this blog, don't comprehend.
And will probably NEVER comprehend. Their eyes are closed, there is nothing in their hearts, but hatred. Blind hatred to any thought that might show a blessing, favor, or that would ask the question of... Are we a country which others shoud aspire to, or come to?
116 - MCH
"But you'd rather bore us with your repetative irrelevancies."
- Dave Nalle
I don't have a degree in English, but isn't it spelled "repetitive"(?)
117 - NancyGail
HOLD IT! What a lengthy dialogue. I was under the impreession this piece was written due to people in the religious community supporting illegals. At least one is a Catholic priest. I know the reason for political asylum. But if those in Mexico would put the same energy into be raising their voices to protest conditions which are put into the protest in Amercian streets, THAT would turn things around. Vicente Fox needs to go.
118 - sr
MCH#116. That was forceful. Or is it fartful.
119 - Heloise
You're wrong--people ARE clamoring to get into France. And yes they do pay high taxes on all goods and services. But at least they are not fat. My second language is French, but I can't seem to get a job teaching French because the racist system here goes all the way to Canada to get French speaking people from there to come here to teach. And naturally they are all white women.
But aside from that I would leave the US and move to France. Why? Because they treated me fairly and better than they treat most whites who visit. Why? Well, I did speak their language, much better now. And they seem to prefer the exotic to the white bread...sorry about that.
Besides they find writers and intellectuals as heroes rather than people who simply run around with no clothes on, who can't act, and makes lots of money to not be worthy of their time and attention. I do think they are a little mad about The Da Vinci Code making it so big.
I loved I M Pei's pyramid entrance to the Louvre. It was being refurbished when I was there because the French gov't had part of it as offices and they moved out to a building near the Gare de Lyon. So, I have not seen everything in the Louvre but I did see La Jocund (sp) or the Mona Lisa. I was disappointed that it was so small, surrounded by plexiglass, roped off and always had a crowd around it.
Heloise (forgive my rudeness it comes with French territory)
120 - Joey
I never thought the French were rude... just French. What's the problem?
121 - Heloise
Joey, where have you been? Rudeness is the sine quo non of being french. In fact that is what the word "frank" means--rude.
Heloise
122 - Arch Conservative
Beth and anyone else reading.
If pointing out the inaccuaret statements that Chris makes about America makes me a twit then I am a twit.
He says there is more crime in America so I provide interpol states which show he is wrong.
He says america has too much state control and I point out that we are not nearly taxed as much as europe and that our healthcare system is not govt runned or owned.
He claims Americans are rude and ignorant then makes the statement that he doesn't care about global population shifts and the reasons for them ..labelling them as American trends.
And anyone who has been to paris can tell you that the french that live there are pretty much the most xenophobic, smug, and rude people on the planet.
He claims that life is more violent in the USA than Europe. I could provide statistical data on international crime from international sources that shows this is actually not true but he'd just ignore it because he's the one who is arrogant and unwilling to admit that his notions of the world are anything but 100 percent accurate.
You call me a twit but I'm not the one insisiting that things are the way they are just because I percieve them to be that way. I'm actually pointing out facts, citing studies, providing case data etc....
But Chris isn't interested in that because he is after all a superior European and anything offered by me is to him "American ignorance."
There's no reasoning with a person like this.
123 - Christopher Rose
"inaccuaret"
mwuahahahaaaha
pwned
124 - Arch Conservative
Yeah you can't actually respond to the content of anything I said so you have to harp on a typo.
How pathetic.
125 - Joey
Good gracious Heloise, being frank... I always thought was being up front, truthful.... I'll defer to Webster on this (the 1955 unabridged, thank you very much). I found this particularly good edition... on trashday... on the curb, waiting for futher distribution... in front of a School teacher's townhouse no less...
Frank (4). Free in uttering one's real sentiments; not reserved; using no disguise; candid; open; ingenuous; outspoken.
Still not a problem. The French have always been "French" so why is there surprise, when they speak frankly... it's thier nature. And I really don't have a problem with that, it's refreshing.