We have heard the mindless prattle about the War on Terror by intellectuals such as Michael Moore, John Murtha, and Howard Dean and are aware of their positions. How would we feel if someone invaded us? It looks like we are occupiers trying to force our way of life on them. We should listen to them and they will respond favorably. Islam is a religion of peace and only radicals are out there causing trouble.
These things show America as a country unwilling to fight for its survival. I have often heard from the left how we should have learned from Vietnam. That was a quagmire and we are doing the same thing. They are correct in that we should have learned from Vietnam but they are wrong on which lesson. Vietnam was lost because of the divided nation back home. People like John Kerry protesting and calling our soldiers criminals emboldened an enemy who knew that if he waited long enough we would effect our own defeat. The same thing can happen in Iraq because we have people in this country, one of whom happens to be John Kerry, who are undermining the effort and allowing our enemies to wait us out. They are following the Vietnam plan by letting us effect our own defeat.
Islam is a violent religion. All this crap about religion of peace is someone's pipe dream to excuse behavior that has only one goal, conversion of the world to Islam. We continue to hear all these references to Crusades and imposition of our beliefs on the enemy but in fact they are the ones hell bent on converting the world to their twisted religious views. From Yahoo News:
Al-Qaida in Iraq warned Pope Benedict XVI on Monday that its war against Christianity and the West will go on until Islam takes over the world, and Iran's supreme leader called for more protests over the pontiff's remarks on Islam.
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Al-Qaida in Iraq and its allies said Muslims would be victorious and addressed the pope as "the worshipper of the cross," saying "you and the West are doomed as you can see from the defeat in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya and elsewhere. ... We will break up the cross, spill the liquor and impose the 'jizya' tax, then the only thing acceptable is a conversion (to Islam) or (being killed by) the sword.
The Islamic world has launched its own Crusade and they are determined to convert people or have them die by the sword. Of course, this is the very thing the Pope quoted that caused such an uproar in the Islamofascist community. We need to take these people at their word and realize that appeasement does not work. Spain pulled out of Iraq and were rewarded with a terror attack at their train station. Al-Qaida is threatening to launch attacks here in the US and they have no regard for the lives of innocent people.
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— go to most recent comments1 - Jay
Alternate title for this post:
Embrace Genocide: My Fascism Is Better than Yours
2 - Baronius
Dog, in a perfect world, we'd employ all of your political and military advice, and you could get back to your job writing Hallmark Cards.
I'm terrible at remembering internet noms de plume. Are you new in town? I've noticed your name on a few articles recently, and they've all been enjoyable.
3 - Big Dog
Jay, It is better to embrace ours than for our leaders to embrace theirs. Killing sucks but better them than us. You can call it what you want but they will not stop until they are thoroughly defeated.
Baronius, I am new to BC and thanks for the compliment. No, I don't write for Hallmark. Could you imagine that? Roses are red, violets are blue, you can't read this because we nuked you....
In a perfect world we could live in our country and they could live in theirs and we could just do our thing. It is hard to just "all get along" when people fly planes into buildings and threaten to release WMD in our country. If it happens, we need to just put an end to them. Truthfully, we need to put an end BEFORE it happens.
4 - Georgio
You sound like a right wing religious fanatic to me and if you are one than I'm glad you are here so we can hear more of what they reall think//
I think Jay has it right .
5 - Michael J. West
They are correct in that we should have learned from Vietnam but they are wrong on which lesson.
Actually, with no offense intended, I would say you are wrong on which lesson. The lesson to be learned from Vietnam, from where I sit, is not to get involved in wars in which we have no business being involved.
Vietnam was lost because of the divided nation back home.
And there was a divided nation back home because going to war in Vietnam was the wrong thing to do in the first place.
6 - Jet in Columbus
To try to lay every problem this country has on democrats is a load of Bushit. Republicans were in control of the White House for the last 6 years of vietnam. Republicans have been in charge of the White House for the last 6 years and Republicans have been in charge of congress for the last dozen.
7 - Big Dog
Great argument Jet (not!). The point of it is? And just in case you missed the history lesson, A Republican was in the White House the last 6 years of Vietnam but Congress was controlled by the Democrats.
The last 6 years now have been fine. Good economy, good wages, except for a war (that we are winning), we have had a smooth ride.
Of course, the blame for things in this country goes to both parties but it is the left with the defeatist attitudes (and the left were the anti-war protestors in the 60s).
8 - Big Dog
Mr. West, we could argue about why we go to war all day but once we are in one, we need to win. That is the bottom line regardless of the reason for the war.
There were a lot of reasons this nation was divided during Vietnam and that is just one of the opinions as to why.
Georgio, I don't remember mentioning my religion though now that you brought it up. I am happy for every person to practice his own religion. I will not however, tolerate anyone forcing his religion on me or my country. Convert to Islam or die sounds like being forced to me. I happen to choose neither option and would rather eliminate the threat. If you are looking for religious fanaticism from me you will be wasting your time. I offered a tactical option to end a threat, nothing else.
9 - Michael J. West
Mr. West, we could argue about why we go to war all day but once we are in one, we need to win.
I don't necessarily agree with that. Once you make a mistake, the idea is to either undo it or fix it.
In the case of Iraq, that's exactly why we need to stay for now: to fix the mess that resulted from our mistaken invasion.
In the case of Vietnam, which was a mess before and after us, the mistake was getting involved in a civil war that wasn't ours. The solution should have been to extricate ourselves as soon as possible, not try to win the war.
10 - zingzing
so how do you think that us nuking them and them nuking us will make any of us feel better?
11 - Nancy
Well, zing, I don't know about you, but I always feel better after I've wiped out all my enemies. Besides, we have nukes and they don't...yet. Better to get them before they get us, as BD says.
12 - zingzing
but wouldn't that make people angry at us?
i would be afraid if some country killed another country. i think i might wet the bed.
wouldn't other people wet the bed? maybe they would be scared of us. they don't know us like we know us.
maybe they would try to hurt us so we don't hurt them just like we are thinking about doing to this other country.
i'm scared.
13 - Nancy
No. The psychology so far is working - on us, at least: the terrorists are so berserk, willing to kill themselves by blowing themselves up, etc. that we're wetting the bed in fear of them, walking on eggshells with them. But if WE were so berserk that we didn't hesititate to take out not only the terrorists, but their so-called "innocent" families, including the extended families inhabiting the villages they stem from, which support & finance them, turning the entire region into one big sheet of molten glass, and displaying an insane & callous willingness to take on anybody else & do the same to them & theirs, well ... it just might give them second thoughts. Most people are brave enough to be willing to sacrifice themselves, but their families, their kids ... ehhhhh, they might think twice about that & then decide it's not worth it, especially if it's a dead certainty (no pun intended) that it will indeed happen.
Comes a time you gotta stop being afraid & wetting the bed and strike back, and for good. Didn't you ever encounter a bully at school, and didn't you ever learn that lesson?
14 - zingzing
yes, i did. i killed him. that's why i spent a lot of time in jail, where they raped me and raped me and raped me until i had given up all hope for a decent life ever again.
really, if we start blowing up countries, it would be best for the world if someone hit us back. just take us out. countries can't go around taking out other countries. it's just not right.
other than the fact that advocating the total annihilation of another country is murder, and just plain ol sick, one must believe that this is not 1945 and we aren't the only ones out there with the bomb. if we start using such things, the world will end and politics will not matter, and that's a fucking "dead certainty."
15 - Nancy
Well, pacification won't work - the terrorists have already told us that. And half-assed measures like Bush & Rummy are employing don't work. So what would you suggest - that we all roll over & convert to Islam?
16 - zingzing
i certainly don't suggest killing millions of innocent people just to prove a point. that's fucking sick and you know it.
"pacification won't work - the terrorists have already told us that." <--where did that come from? are we to trust terrorists now? are terrorists really the problem here? maybe it's bigger. maybe we are edging up to a cultural war. we need to remove the reasons behind islamic terrorism. if there is no reason to die for your people or religion or country, who wants to go and die? they have their reasons. they have told us those reasons. we keep adding reasons. do you think without reasons that anyone is going to sign up to die?
if our country wasn't at war with iraq, do you think we would be sending troops there?
17 - JR
Big Dog: Vietnam was lost because of the divided nation back home.
Look who's learned the wrong lesson from Vietnom. That war was lost long before Lyndon Johnson let Congress or the nation know enough about it to be divided over it. That war was doomed to failure because the Vietnamese were fighting for independence and the Americans were fighting for the nebulous and now discredited Domino Theory.
Your posts lack any intelligent insight; I don't know why you bother.
18 - Jet in Columbus
Aw leave him alone JR, his left turn signal is just blown out, that's all
19 - SHARK
JR to BIGDOG: "Your posts lack any intelligent insight; I don't know why you bother."
And I don't know why we bother reading them.
Unfortunately, I've read two of BigDog's recent "essays"; it's some of the most simplistic shit I've read in a long time. About half-way through this one, I just sorta wanted to avert my eyes; it's painful to watch some neophyte take out his neo-cortex and play with it in public.
Blogcritics has definitely lowered the bar for this *mutt.
*not a "personal attack" -- just a play on your screen-name.
zzzzzzzzz
20 - SHARK
And Doggie, next time we want you to "speak" -- we'll call your name and wave a treat; until then... well...
21 - Big Dog
Well, I guess since I am a conservative (not neo because I am not new) you should wave money as the treat.
Mutt is fine, as stated, I have been called worse by better folks (and better by worse).
Seems that my posts have struck a chord and brought the donk contngency out of the closet. It would be helpful if you would attack the argument and not the person making it. I would rather debate an issue than read attacks. But, if you have no game, that is fine too.
I can't say that I blame you. If I had lost as much as you guys on the left I would be bitter as well. I believe I see the big picture and if we are attacked again I would hope you have the testicular fortitude to stand up to the enemy and do what it takes to win. Defeating them is the only way we can stop the war, as Nancy pointed out in #15, they have already told us that.
JR, the history of Vietnam has many twists and turns. We won every battle and yet lost the war. It had nothing to do with what was going on there. We as a nation lost our will to fight. If we lose that will now, we will be fighting on our soil.
Zing, I thank (not blame) German Jews for the nuclear bomb. Without it we would have lost more troops in WWII.
22 - Arch Conservative
Don't listen to these moonbats Big Dog.
You're a breath of fresh air from all the usual I hate Bush rants that go on around here nonstop.
The thing that you and I realize that these loons don't is that it's going to take a lot of civilian deaths and us doing some unseemly things to protect ourselves and we're ok with that.
The moonbats cringe when you mention the use of nuclear weapons and call you crazy. They say we can't kill innocent civilians in the mideast because it's wrong. Ands they're right. No one should kill innocent civlians of any race, national origin, or color without just cause. But we have just cause. We are protecting ourselves. If the terrorists would all wear Al queda name tags so we could know who was a civilian we would just fight the bad guys and leave the muslim civilians alone. But this isn't the case. The line between terrorists and civilian in the middle east is very fuzzy and terrorists operate with impugnity their.
And this isn't just an American or Israeli problem either. Radical muslims of late have refused to play nice everywhere they go Spain, France, the UK, Denmark and so on.
These moonbats call people liek us bloodthirsty and violent and racist. We're not that at all. We're just realists that can see the threat posed by radical islam. We don't want to kill anyone. We just see that we may have to in order to protect ourselves.
23 - JR
We as a nation lost our will to fight.
I'm sure if we'd been occupied by the French we'd have just as much will to fight as the Vietnamese.
24 - Big Dog
If we were occupied by the French we would not have to fight. They would surrender.
25 - Arch Conservative
Why are the streets in Paris lined with trees?
Because German soldiers like to march in the shade.