Actually, a lot has to do with Pelosi. With her as Speaker, nothing changes. She's a part of the problem and will never be a component of the solution. I wish to God that a Democrat House would produce some results for America but it won't. Our political system is sick and needs the attention of America's voters. For all this talk of accountability that comes from the Right, it confounds me that no one of any significance has called them on it.
George W. Bush and his minions have not been held accountable by any stretch of the imagination. Sure, there are times when it seems that politicians or the media have challenged the Administration. But it is all fluff. Even Senator McCain, my hero, has left me feeling empty. There was a time I believed that a McCain presidency would effect change. Sorry, Senator, you lost my vote and my support. You sold yourself to the Bushite cause.
78 -
gonzo marx
May 14, 2006 at 7:05 pm
Sorry to disagree Silas, but a dem takeover of the House woudl lead to at least one thing...
Investigations...
and getting some sunlight into those dark corners is a very....good...start
Excelsior?
79 -
Dave Nalle
May 14, 2006 at 8:40 pm
I would think that after the travesty of the Clinton investigations you'd have learned by now that investigations rarely lead anywhere good. They don't shed light, they smear the grime of partisan recriminations on everything. They are to a large extent what has brought us to the current atmosphere of hostility and divisiveness.
Dave
80 -
gonzo marx
May 14, 2006 at 9:33 pm
and you appear to miss the point that indeed, frivolous fishing expeditions done in a pure partisan arena do indeed lead to what you state, when digging into people's personal lives and the intersection between private and public...
however, what wwe are talking about here are indeed "high crimes and misdemeanors" by their very fucking definition...if indeed what appears to have happened has happened...
such as...
violations, on multiple counts, of the FISA laws
violations of the 1934 telecommunications act
possible perjury and obstruction of justice in a few areas (still under Investigation by the Admin appointed Fitzgerald...a republican i woudl vote for in a heartbeat)
there's a lot more...but those shoudl suffice
a fucking order of magnitude difference exists between Ken Starr and that bullshit circus, which did indeed show perjury for which Slick Willie was censured...as opposed to what appears to be an Administration that holds itself completely above the law and which has operated with no checks and balances due to the current single Party rule
but some of those GOP types are breaking ranks over soem of this shit, so there is every chance that come November, if the Dems do get control of either House or Senate...that those Investigation woudl be pretty bipartisan...
so hem and haw, make yer excuses, try the Rovian tactics and spew the talking points all you like
then check the current polls and sweat it out till November
and comment #81 shows the extent of the intellectual bankruptcy some follow...
nice to see that when you can't discuss issues, you can get scatalogical
Excelsior?
84 -
Dave Nalle
May 14, 2006 at 11:59 pm
Gonzo, I'll give you your first paragraph in #81, but after that it goes into pure fantasy land.
It is NOT apparent to anyone who looks at the real facts that there are any high crimes and misdemeanors here. At the very worst we're talking about gray areas, and it's very easy to look at the facts and exonerate Bush entirely.
Sorry, much though you want this to be a bigass scandal, it's not. The crimes aren't there.
Dave
85 -
gonzo marx
May 15, 2006 at 1:52 am
/sigh...
#85 sez...
*It is NOT apparent to anyone who looks at the real facts that there are any high crimes and misdemeanors here.*
no?
violating the Federal FISA law by not getting a warrant, thus bypassing not only the Law itself, but the 4th Amendment? not a "crime" to you?
there is just NO fucking excuse for not going to the FISA court...the only one given by the Administration, is the same for not simply changing the Law...."we didn't think they woudl do it"....
we cannot be certain whether those crimes are there or not...
since there have been NO fucking INvestigations...and no Investigations because the same Party that committed the alleged crimes also control the law enforcement involved...
or did you miss the one where the NSA won't give the fucking Justice Dept investigators permission to look at what they need to...
these are US Department of Justice investigators...not let in...denied clearance
spare me the partisan bullshit
Excelsior?
86 -
Dave Nalle
May 15, 2006 at 1:59 am
Sorry, Gonzo. We're just going to have to disagree on this. The facts are what they are. You choose to spin them negative. I take them as stated and give everyone some slack.
Dave
87 -
gonzo marx
May 15, 2006 at 8:13 am
#86 sez...
*I take them as stated and give everyone some slack.*
and there you are...
trusting the "guv'ment"...from a "libetarian conservative"...
cuz the guv'ment knows whas best...
now i have indeed seen it all
and so goes our Republic...
i'll say it again...
woe is U.S.
Excelsior?
88 -
troll
May 15, 2006 at 8:55 am
extremely well funded independent candidates could deny both parties the majority
gonzo - IMO if the dems take over not only will there be investigations but quite possibly escalated military involvement overseas as they try to 'fix' the Bush foreign policy errors - remember to remember: it's a democrat position that the individual is subservient to the state...."Ask not etc" JFK
shuddering with draft paranoia
and Bingolina - let's come at the tax problem differently...what we're talking about is how government should be funded and by whom...right - ?
so what's your plan - ?
mine is that the fed state and local governments declare a 'war on spending' until they dry up and the country descends into dysfunctional anarchy and soon thereafter efficient totalitarian fascism fully funded by international corporations
troll
89 -
Dave Nalle
May 15, 2006 at 10:19 am
Troll, if what you say is true then we'll see Michael Badnarik as the new Congressman from West Austin this fall. He's raised more money than both his Republican and Democrat opponents put together so far, including money left over from his presidential campaign. I'd love to see it, but I don't believe in it at all.
Dave
90 -
Bliffle
May 15, 2006 at 8:11 pm
What, specifically, would disqualify Pelosi from being Speaker? Or is it just that she's a democrat? Or that she's from SF?
it's what would happen if that knot came undone in the back of her head...all that skin would...oh man...I just had a vision of an ugly sharpei!!! Do you suppose she can even close her eyes?
Pelosi has my vote of confidence and remind me to tell her that.....I've personally mailed over 2,000 letters to Congress and I write her all the time amongst others....They seem to enjoy Mardi Gras beads and my cds promoting coastal restoration for one reason or another....Madam Speaker you rock!!!!
Article comments
76 - Bliffle
So, what does all this have to do with Pelosi?
77 - Silas Kain
Actually, a lot has to do with Pelosi. With her as Speaker, nothing changes. She's a part of the problem and will never be a component of the solution. I wish to God that a Democrat House would produce some results for America but it won't. Our political system is sick and needs the attention of America's voters. For all this talk of accountability that comes from the Right, it confounds me that no one of any significance has called them on it.
George W. Bush and his minions have not been held accountable by any stretch of the imagination. Sure, there are times when it seems that politicians or the media have challenged the Administration. But it is all fluff. Even Senator McCain, my hero, has left me feeling empty. There was a time I believed that a McCain presidency would effect change. Sorry, Senator, you lost my vote and my support. You sold yourself to the Bushite cause.
78 - gonzo marx
Sorry to disagree Silas, but a dem takeover of the House woudl lead to at least one thing...
Investigations...
and getting some sunlight into those dark corners is a very....good...start
Excelsior?
79 - Dave Nalle
I would think that after the travesty of the Clinton investigations you'd have learned by now that investigations rarely lead anywhere good. They don't shed light, they smear the grime of partisan recriminations on everything. They are to a large extent what has brought us to the current atmosphere of hostility and divisiveness.
Dave
80 - gonzo marx
and you appear to miss the point that indeed, frivolous fishing expeditions done in a pure partisan arena do indeed lead to what you state, when digging into people's personal lives and the intersection between private and public...
however, what wwe are talking about here are indeed "high crimes and misdemeanors" by their very fucking definition...if indeed what appears to have happened has happened...
such as...
violations, on multiple counts, of the FISA laws
violations of the 1934 telecommunications act
possible perjury and obstruction of justice in a few areas (still under Investigation by the Admin appointed Fitzgerald...a republican i woudl vote for in a heartbeat)
there's a lot more...but those shoudl suffice
a fucking order of magnitude difference exists between Ken Starr and that bullshit circus, which did indeed show perjury for which Slick Willie was censured...as opposed to what appears to be an Administration that holds itself completely above the law and which has operated with no checks and balances due to the current single Party rule
but some of those GOP types are breaking ranks over soem of this shit, so there is every chance that come November, if the Dems do get control of either House or Senate...that those Investigation woudl be pretty bipartisan...
so hem and haw, make yer excuses, try the Rovian tactics and spew the talking points all you like
then check the current polls and sweat it out till November
Excelsior?
81 - Silas Kain
Nice, real nice.
82 - fos
Thanks Silas.
83 - gonzo marx
and comment #81 shows the extent of the intellectual bankruptcy some follow...
nice to see that when you can't discuss issues, you can get scatalogical
Excelsior?
84 - Dave Nalle
Gonzo, I'll give you your first paragraph in #81, but after that it goes into pure fantasy land.
It is NOT apparent to anyone who looks at the real facts that there are any high crimes and misdemeanors here. At the very worst we're talking about gray areas, and it's very easy to look at the facts and exonerate Bush entirely.
Sorry, much though you want this to be a bigass scandal, it's not. The crimes aren't there.
Dave
85 - gonzo marx
/sigh...
#85 sez...
*It is NOT apparent to anyone who looks at the real facts that there are any high crimes and misdemeanors here.*
no?
violating the Federal FISA law by not getting a warrant, thus bypassing not only the Law itself, but the 4th Amendment? not a "crime" to you?
there is just NO fucking excuse for not going to the FISA court...the only one given by the Administration, is the same for not simply changing the Law...."we didn't think they woudl do it"....
we cannot be certain whether those crimes are there or not...
since there have been NO fucking INvestigations...and no Investigations because the same Party that committed the alleged crimes also control the law enforcement involved...
or did you miss the one where the NSA won't give the fucking Justice Dept investigators permission to look at what they need to...
these are US Department of Justice investigators...not let in...denied clearance
spare me the partisan bullshit
Excelsior?
86 - Dave Nalle
Sorry, Gonzo. We're just going to have to disagree on this. The facts are what they are. You choose to spin them negative. I take them as stated and give everyone some slack.
Dave
87 - gonzo marx
#86 sez...
*I take them as stated and give everyone some slack.*
and there you are...
trusting the "guv'ment"...from a "libetarian conservative"...
cuz the guv'ment knows whas best...
now i have indeed seen it all
and so goes our Republic...
i'll say it again...
woe is U.S.
Excelsior?
88 - troll
extremely well funded independent candidates could deny both parties the majority
gonzo - IMO if the dems take over not only will there be investigations but quite possibly escalated military involvement overseas as they try to 'fix' the Bush foreign policy errors - remember to remember: it's a democrat position that the individual is subservient to the state...."Ask not etc" JFK
shuddering with draft paranoia
and Bingolina - let's come at the tax problem differently...what we're talking about is how government should be funded and by whom...right - ?
so what's your plan - ?
mine is that the fed state and local governments declare a 'war on spending' until they dry up and the country descends into dysfunctional anarchy and soon thereafter efficient totalitarian fascism fully funded by international corporations
troll
89 - Dave Nalle
Troll, if what you say is true then we'll see Michael Badnarik as the new Congressman from West Austin this fall. He's raised more money than both his Republican and Democrat opponents put together so far, including money left over from his presidential campaign. I'd love to see it, but I don't believe in it at all.
Dave
90 - Bliffle
What, specifically, would disqualify Pelosi from being Speaker? Or is it just that she's a democrat? Or that she's from SF?
91 - Andy Marsh
it's what would happen if that knot came undone in the back of her head...all that skin would...oh man...I just had a vision of an ugly sharpei!!! Do you suppose she can even close her eyes?
92 - DaveJohnson
google has changed
yahoo has not
93 - CajunDelyte
Pelosi has my vote of confidence and remind me to tell her that.....I've personally mailed over 2,000 letters to Congress and I write her all the time amongst others....They seem to enjoy Mardi Gras beads and my cds promoting coastal restoration for one reason or another....Madam Speaker you rock!!!!
94 - Dave Nalle
I bet you're on the list to get a deep cavity search if you ever show up at one of the house office buildings.
Dave