I pray to God it's anything like the Hannity & Colmes interview with David Horowitz and Ward Churchill a couple months ago -- a segment with so many mixed nuts it should have been sponsored by Planters. I expect nothing less from this same type of setup, and I think if BC can't cover the expenses, they should at least provide the TV reviews.
RJ,
Sorry all of you heroes are in jail, or will be soon. Personally, I welcome our new insect overlords and as an influential blogger, I can be instrumental in getting people to toil underground in your sugar mines.
anyhow, Simpsons silliness aside
Vote Democrat!
Ah hell, just Vote no matter what. Even if you are a Republican... vote. Show them we are important. Vote vote vote
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MCH
May 11, 2006 at 10:44 pm
"She looks loony. She supports wild-eyed, leftist programs. She's a liberal Democrat from San Francisco, for the love of Christ!...some botoxed, desiccated communist...cannot allow this moonbat to come to power...we cannot allow some lunatic member of the Hugo Chavez fan club..."
- RJ Elliott
This garbage ranks right up there with some of Elliott's other hateful rants from the past: "Max Cleland looks like a giant thalidamide baby"..."Kerry voters are fucking communists"..."Theresa Edwards has a big, fat ass"...etc...
What's really odd is that the Powers That Be have spotlighted this story on the main page.
Also, how does this post qualify as "News"?
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RogerMDillon
May 12, 2006 at 12:44 am
Spot on with both points, Lori.
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JR
May 12, 2006 at 1:23 am
charleston! no, no! um... what's that coastal town in georgia? damn... help me out.
Savannah. Though I'd recommend sticking with Charleston, SC - it's got a prettier waterfront and you can go over to Patriot's Point and tour the USS Yorktown.
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gonzo marx
May 12, 2006 at 1:27 am
Suss...it's more like they come in the house, see me, and run screaming fer their mommys
and if it's down south, we must have air conditioning, and frosty blender drinks with lil umbrellas
ok...too much "in the moment"
Excelsior?
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Bliffle
May 12, 2006 at 1:43 am
"...this botoxed bitch should have her power as limited as possible. She makes Fidel Castro look like Pat Buchanan. I hope the botox leaks into her brain and kills her...."
Ahem. Besides exceeding the BC guidelines, this is probably an unwise gambit as it displays both the speakers intemperate nature and his inability to phrase a competent argument, thus tainting any argument he offers in the future.
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Bliffle
May 12, 2006 at 1:47 am
" She's a liberal Democrat from San Francisco, for the love of Christ!"
San Francisco! A city that has a balanced budget. Well, I suppose that to admirers of Grover Norquist this must be a damning indictment.
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Arch Conservative
May 12, 2006 at 8:20 am
Wow looks like you guys have been drinking a ton of Kool Aid.
Yeah those Dems have some great ideas all right like
"claiming terrorists should have the same rights as American citizens, sitting on thier asses while they watch social security go down the drain, cutting military funding every chance they get and then claiming to be the staunchest supporters of the military, trying to block every measure that administration takes in the war against terrorism, throwing more and more money into a failing public education system and opposing vouchers, giving amnesty to illegal aliens, dividing Americans by promoting class warfare propaganda and inflaming racial tensions...... etc.... etc....
There's a reason the Republicans have a majority in congress....it's because the Democrats are nothing but a bunch petty, inept, clowns in expensive suits.
Everyone keeps mentioning how low Bush poll numbers are but what they fail to add is that poll numbers for Congress on both sides of the aisle are lower than Bush's.
What are you idiot moonbats going to do when you wake up one morning in November to learn that Democrats still don't have control of Congress? You'll probably pull the usual shit and claim that the elections were "stolen." You people are pathetic rabble.
BM, I'm still waiting for my tax cuts. I'm in the unenviable upper-middle income group which got the lowest tax cuts of all, so I'm still looking for real tax reform.
And BTW, 'give me liberty' certainly doesn't mean tax and grab political psychos like Nancy Pelosi taking over the country and taking away both my rights AND my money.
Dave
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Georgio
May 12, 2006 at 10:38 am
what are you going to do when you wake up in Nov and see this BITCH take out her whips and changes the whole direction of the house..oh man I can't wait to see this Bitch in action..
It's going to happen Arch..it's too bad that we have to wait until Nov.
Scott, they take away less of our money and a lot fewer of our rights. Learn to love the lesser of two evils now or learn to hate the worse of two evils when Pelosi is in power.
Dave
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Blue Meanie
May 12, 2006 at 12:31 pm
Dave states: "Scott, they take away less of our money and a lot fewer of our rights."
The first half, less of our money is correct, but then they spend more than they have, putting our nations mortgage on the country's credit card at an insanely higher interest rate...
the second half, about taking away less of our rights; that is a pure outright and knowing lie!
This is substantiated by the entire NSA scandal currently breaking.
People in the republican party, like Dave, constantly between now and November will try and paint the incompetent, lying, corrupt, scandal ridden blood sucking leeches currently in power as the lesser of the two evils.
Boy, evil gets tossed around a lot by them.
Check the facts and don't fall for the republican talking points, then decide for yourself which is the lesser evil. Myself, I think that checks and balances are far better than the single party rule we have been under the last few years.
We are no safer, the national checkbook does not balance, our standing in the world has diminished and our basic rights are broken by an administration that knowingly states they believe themselves above the law or our Constitution.
See the justification behind the signing statements and the bypassing of both the FISA law, as well as the 1934 telecommunications act for easy examples. Then add yesterday's revelation concerning Abramhoff.
A court ordered the WH to comply with a Judicial Watch lawsuit and provide records of Jack's coming and going. Incomplete records were given, not in compliance with the Court order, and those listed only 2 visits by Abramhoff ( both to Rove to ask for Jack's staffers to get WH jobs). Neither of these visits were the ones mentioned by Scott McClellen as knwon visits.
So again, the WH holds itself above and beyond the law and the courts.
Who is the lesser evil?
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zingzing
May 12, 2006 at 12:37 pm
dave: "they take away less of our money and a lot fewer of our rights"
i really don't remember being so scared for my freedom 6 years ago. do you? what did clinton do to reduce your rights? if administrations had been stripping rights like this all along, we'd have nothing left at the pace bushetc have set. i'm confused. what rights? guns? ahh, fuck off. if i could, i'd take every gun and stick it up the gunowner's ass. oh, don't start on that. that was just a sidetrack. maybe... the right to define marriage by the bible?
i'm looking for something that dems would take away from us. help me out. what are they going to do, and if they are going to do it, why didn't they already do it, you know, if they would ever do such a thing?
Arch: "dividing Americans by promoting class warfare propaganda"? Is it better to engage in class warfare or talk about it? Repubs blast Democrats for the latter while they do the former at the same time. Un cool.
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zingzing
May 12, 2006 at 12:57 pm
well said.
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JR
May 12, 2006 at 1:14 pm
Dave Nalle: Scott, they (Republicans) take away less of our money and a lot fewer of our rights.
I bet Tommy Chong, Brendan Mayfield, the terminally ill and any pregnant teenager would beg to differ.
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Arch Conservative
May 12, 2006 at 1:18 pm
How exactly does the GOp engage in class warfare JP?
I bet you will give some trite "tax cuts for the rich" bullshit answer.
To that I would provide a few statistics
The top 1% of taxpayers pays 30% of all income taxes.
The top 50% of taxpayers pay 96% of all income taxes.
The top 1% pays more than ten times in income taxes than the bottom 50%.
So while your whining about "tax cuts for the rich" JP maybe you had better take a closer look at how much all the illegals aliens that you moonbats love so much are costing us.
"Today, the estates of only 1 out of every 200 people who die owe any estate tax whatsoever, because the first $2.0 million of the value of any estate ($4.0 million for a couple) is totally exempt from the tax."
So how does that affect us all equally? Only in the fact that these top 0.5% of estates pay these taxes, but the defecit and debt they help balance is a burden of everyone.
The top 50% of taxpayers pay 96% of all income taxes.
And the top 5% of taxpayers make 90% of the income. So until the top 5% of taxpayers are paying 90% of all income taxes, they are by definition receiving tax breaks.
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Arch Conservative
May 12, 2006 at 4:51 pm
"And the top 5% of taxpayers make 90% of the income. So until the top 5% of taxpayers are paying 90% of all income taxes, they are by definition receiving tax breaks."
The top 5% pay a higher percentage of their income than the rest Michael. It's called being in a higher bracket. Therefore they are not recieving any tax breaks
How does cutting or repealing the estate tax promote class warfare JP? As you yourself stated the law currently only taxes estates in excess of 2 million. So you think that the children or heirs of someone who has been so successful that thier estate exceeds this figure should be punished by being taxed while evryone else gets a pass?
That's the problem with you lefties. You're a bunch of tax happy socialists who get a hard on every time the term income redistribtution is mentioned. You expect the rich to take care of everyone by being forced by the governemnt to surrender a huge and unreasonable portion of thier personal income. You can't fathom the idea that people should make better decisions in thier lives that affect their financial welfare.
Tommy Chong went to jail under a Democrat governor and Attorney General in California.
Brendan Mayfield,
Mayfield was arrested by mistake as a result of bad data. There was nothing political about it.
the terminally ill and any pregnant teenager would beg to differ.
Some might argue that Republicans are more inclined to preserve the lives of the terminally ill. As for pregnant teens, who doesn't want to keep them from getting pregnant?
Dave
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zingzing
May 12, 2006 at 7:01 pm
pregnant teenagers... maybe he was talking about the a-word. don't say it.
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JR
May 12, 2006 at 7:40 pm
Uh... as far as I can tell, Tommy Chong was nabbed as part of Operation Pipe Dreams (that looks like a Republican taking the credit there) and sentenced by a Federal judge.
Brendan Mayfield was arrested due to an FBI error which I would not attribute to partisan politics. However he was deprived of his due process rights (he was held without being charged and not given access to legal representation) under provisions of the Patriot Act, which was written by and pushed through Congress by Republicans.
Your last paragraph completely avoids addressing my point; you know that, right?
OY, back to the topic at hand. Nancy Pelosi as Shrieker of the House --- I shudder the thought. I'd take a third GW Bush term over the prospect of the Nanny Goat from California presiding over the people's business or as I see it the status quo. The special interests and the machinery on K Street would continue to weild their immense powers.
If the voters of America want real reform, there's no doubt that the GOP needs to be sent packing out of the House. But, in the process, we've got to have the vision and guts to bring into office people who will not allow the devisive politics to continue. We don't need an impeachment of GW Bush. We do, however, need a wholesale overthrow of the legislative branch of Federal Government.
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JR
May 12, 2006 at 9:18 pm
Silas Kain: OY, back to the topic at hand. Nancy Pelosi as Shrieker of the House --- I shudder the thought. I'd take a third GW Bush term over the prospect of the Nanny Goat from California presiding over the people's business or as I see it the status quo.
Then we disagree. Strongly.
I'd take a bloody war of secession and Nancy Pelosi as President of the Republic of California over the prospect of a third term under Bush, Jr.
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Arch Conservative
May 13, 2006 at 9:50 am
Nice to see all you good libs changing the subject when alittle lightis shone on the reality of our current tax system and it doesn't support your socialist class warfare propaganda!
Dave, I think it's time you get with the program here. This is just downright embarrasing.
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gonzo marx
May 13, 2006 at 11:42 am
and the Bingster chimes in...like a good little GOP drone, tax cuts are the be all and end all for him...
many of the GOP faithful still cling to the idea that they will allow anything to happen to our Nation as long as they get their 30 pieces of silver
fuck that
balance the fucking checkbook...pay for the fucking pre-emptive War...then we can talk about reforming the tax system (which i have no problem with)
but no...instead it's more pork than a texas bar-b-q and more tax cuts for those who don't need it...
ya make $50,000 ya get about $40-50 bucks back...but ya make $500,000 ya get over $40,000 back
that makes sense, huh?
Excelsior?
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Arch Conservative
May 13, 2006 at 12:44 pm
Well gee gonzo if the moonbats didn't say "tax cuts for the rich" 100 times a day maybe I wouldn't have to fucking respond to them. why don't you trying callin them drones as well when that's all they fuckign say all day long "tax cuts for the rich" "evil corpoarations" and other assorted letist catchphrases. Nice to see how objective you can be Gonzo.
I agree that no one in congress rep or dem is actually practicing fiscal restraint or responsibility at the moment.
The only solution seems to be to overhaul the system. We need to eliminate the financial incentives to be a member of congress. Term limits would be a good start. from there.
The reason I still support the GOP in spite of thier recent financial ineptitude is that they still represent my social values more than the dems.
I'm sorry but I don't have a hardon for socialism, abortion on demand, the eradication of expressions of christianity by private citizens in public, the lax attitude toward pedophiles, illegal aliens, race baiting for political gain, or any other form of moral relativity.
Fuck the liberals and Dems.
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gonzo marx
May 13, 2006 at 1:22 pm
ok Bing..here's the acid test...
just how "conservative" are ya?
what's yer position on...
violating the 4th amendment and FISA laws with the wiretapping bullshit?
Abramhoff and lobbyist scandals?
Duke Cunningham and his corruption?
Deficit spending on pork projects?
pre-emptive war and nation building?
see, i don't have a hard-on for folks who claim to stand for one thing, then fuck up and do the other, all the while lining their pockets...
as for your last paragraph full of straw men...it just shows how much you can't be taken seriously
Gonzo, a lot of the issues you bring up in the last post aren't strictly speaking conservative vs. liberal issues. In fact I'm not sure that conservatism is inherently opposed to corruption and I think pre-emptive war has to be differentiated from nation building from a conservative standpoint.
Dave
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Arch Conservative
May 13, 2006 at 2:41 pm
OOOHHH Gonzo says I'm not really a conservative so I must not be. Just like he claims people making 50K only get 50 bucks back. If you're making 50K and only getting 50 bucks back then you need to take a class in filling out your tax returns correctly or basic math...either way you're an idiot.
As for your little test, you can take it, cover it in K-Y, and shove it straight up your ass Gonzo. But don't forget to pull your head out first.
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gonzo marx
May 13, 2006 at 3:50 pm
well Bing..thanks for your thoughtful and insightful response..
guess that answers my question
as for the numbers on what i stated, please note that not even Mr. Nalle disputes them...they came from the CBO this past week, taken directly from the Bill that just passed House and Senate
so..fuck your opinion, Bing...try a dose of reality once in a while
for Mr. Nalle....i see your point, and agree some of it may be open to discussion...when it comes to nation building/pre-emptive war
but you should at least agree with the rest of those points...
it bloggles my Mind that the very same folks who claim staunch conservatism/libertarianism....and will fight tooth and nail not to register their guns, will bend over and take one about the vital importance fo Privacy Rights and the 4th Amendment....
Actually, Gonzo, I missed your comment about the tax cuts.
The new, proposed tax cuts, would actually overwhelmingly target the middle class, the people who need them the most. Most people in the lower income brackets pay little or no taxes, and these cuts taper off rapidly at the higher income levels.
You can read the analysis at The WaPo. I couldn't find a link to the CBO report which that article is based on.
Basically the cuts are focused directly on incomes in the $75K to $200K range, tapering off above and below those levels. Very little in the way of cuts for the truly rich who are earning over $1mil.
What's also not mentioned in any of this is that the proposed budget would grow the deficit by only $29 billion next year, less than 1/5 of what was projected two years ago, so between Bush's newly proposed spending cuts which are quite substantial and increased revenues resulting from tax cuts we're WAY ahead of schedule on balancing the budget. New estimates are that we'll have a balanced budget before Bush leaves office and be paying down the deficit.
Dave
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gonzo marx
May 13, 2006 at 5:03 pm
comment #67 sez...
*What's also not mentioned in any of this is that the proposed budget would grow the deficit by only $29 billion next year,*
note, grow the deficit...
i understand and know where you are getting your rosy predictions from...
i just don't agree with the methodology or how comprehensive the calculations are...
that's ok..and part of ongoing Debate...which is as it should be...
just how many folks do you think are going to gain from the capital gains cuts when they earn under $50k?
this is all a minor point...
read #63 again, and ask yourself those Questions honestly
fair enuff?
Excelsior?
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Dave Nalle
May 13, 2006 at 5:33 pm
I thought #63 was for AC? I don't agree with most of that stuff and never have, though I do draw the line somewhat differently on what actions actually violate the 4th amendment.
Dave
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gonzo marx
May 13, 2006 at 5:56 pm
it was mostly fer Bing...but ANYone shoudl be able to look at those Questions and think fer themselves, eh?
as for the 4th amendment...well, i know you and i have differed on this....i obviously have a much more Libertarian approach, in that i fucking REQUIRE a judicial branch review and warrant that holds to the level of "probable cause" as LITERALLY delineated in aforementioned Amendment...
I wouldn't call your approach more libertarian, just more rigid and limited.
I believe that there are fundamental rights and freedoms which transcend and predate the Constitution, and that while it is in most ways a very good expression of them, it's far from perfect, and that common sense and natural law are of slightly higher value.
Tax cuts coming out of Washington are an insult to any American --- get it through your heads, folks, they're playing us and we're buying into it.
They're gearing up for an Election Season so they'll dust off the "kill a married queer" posters. They'll get the little blue haired grandmothers out of their government sponsored corrals to picket in front of abortion clinics. Why, if I were a betting man, I'd invest in a wire hanger factory. There'll be plenty manufactured for this political season.
Arch Conservative says: As for your little test, you can take it, cover it in K-Y, and shove it straight up your ass Gonzo. But don't forget to pull your head out first.
For someone so anti-gay, he sure knows a lot about the lingo. Must have studied all that at Divinity School in the class where they teach that with Christ men can be made straight. Praise the Lord! I ain't "cured"!
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JR
May 13, 2006 at 11:52 pm
They'll get the little blue haired grandmothers out of their government sponsored corrals to picket in front of abortion clinics.
In my experience, they prefer to draft kids to picket. After all, in a profound disagreement over morality, sex and reproduction, what could be more important than the opinion of a twelve-year-old?
Arch - "You expect the rich to take care of everyone by being forced by the governemnt to surrender a huge and unreasonable portion of thier personal income." You're assuming here that the estate tax is unreasonable. I don't think it is. Conservatives seem to think cutting all taxes is the best approach to fixing any problem, I just don't agree.
Article comments
— go to most recent comments26 - Dave Nalle
I'll pay for the live webcams and bandwidth.
Dave
27 - gonzo marx
cover my expenses and i'm in
the problem is...no one will get in the house with me...my rule woudl be no firearms
i can Dream, can't i?
Excelsior?
28 - Matthew T. Sussman
I pray to God it's anything like the Hannity & Colmes interview with David Horowitz and Ward Churchill a couple months ago -- a segment with so many mixed nuts it should have been sponsored by Planters. I expect nothing less from this same type of setup, and I think if BC can't cover the expenses, they should at least provide the TV reviews.
29 - Lono
RJ,
Sorry all of you heroes are in jail, or will be soon. Personally, I welcome our new insect overlords and as an influential blogger, I can be instrumental in getting people to toil underground in your sugar mines.
anyhow, Simpsons silliness aside
Vote Democrat!
Ah hell, just Vote no matter what. Even if you are a Republican... vote. Show them we are important. Vote vote vote
30 - MCH
"She looks loony. She supports wild-eyed, leftist programs. She's a liberal Democrat from San Francisco, for the love of Christ!...some botoxed, desiccated communist...cannot allow this moonbat to come to power...we cannot allow some lunatic member of the Hugo Chavez fan club..."
- RJ Elliott
This garbage ranks right up there with some of Elliott's other hateful rants from the past: "Max Cleland looks like a giant thalidamide baby"..."Kerry voters are fucking communists"..."Theresa Edwards has a big, fat ass"...etc...
31 - lori
What's really odd is that the Powers That Be have spotlighted this story on the main page.
Also, how does this post qualify as "News"?
32 - RogerMDillon
Spot on with both points, Lori.
33 - JR
charleston! no, no! um... what's that coastal town in georgia? damn... help me out.
Savannah. Though I'd recommend sticking with Charleston, SC - it's got a prettier waterfront and you can go over to Patriot's Point and tour the USS Yorktown.
34 - gonzo marx
Suss...it's more like they come in the house, see me, and run screaming fer their mommys
and if it's down south, we must have air conditioning, and frosty blender drinks with lil umbrellas
ok...too much "in the moment"
Excelsior?
35 - Bliffle
"...this botoxed bitch should have her power as limited as possible. She makes Fidel Castro look like Pat Buchanan. I hope the botox leaks into her brain and kills her...."
Ahem. Besides exceeding the BC guidelines, this is probably an unwise gambit as it displays both the speakers intemperate nature and his inability to phrase a competent argument, thus tainting any argument he offers in the future.
36 - Bliffle
" She's a liberal Democrat from San Francisco, for the love of Christ!"
San Francisco! A city that has a balanced budget. Well, I suppose that to admirers of Grover Norquist this must be a damning indictment.
37 - Arch Conservative
Wow looks like you guys have been drinking a ton of Kool Aid.
Yeah those Dems have some great ideas all right like
"claiming terrorists should have the same rights as American citizens, sitting on thier asses while they watch social security go down the drain, cutting military funding every chance they get and then claiming to be the staunchest supporters of the military, trying to block every measure that administration takes in the war against terrorism, throwing more and more money into a failing public education system and opposing vouchers, giving amnesty to illegal aliens, dividing Americans by promoting class warfare propaganda and inflaming racial tensions...... etc.... etc....
There's a reason the Republicans have a majority in congress....it's because the Democrats are nothing but a bunch petty, inept, clowns in expensive suits.
Everyone keeps mentioning how low Bush poll numbers are but what they fail to add is that poll numbers for Congress on both sides of the aisle are lower than Bush's.
What are you idiot moonbats going to do when you wake up one morning in November to learn that Democrats still don't have control of Congress? You'll probably pull the usual shit and claim that the elections were "stolen." You people are pathetic rabble.
38 - Dave Nalle
I reluctantly have to applaud the 'truthiness' of that last post from AC, despite his general looniness. It's spot on, especially the last paragraph.
Dave
39 - Blue Meanie
Wel now, there you have it. Arch and Dave have just gone and proven the kinds of folks that make up that 30% approval rating.
One swims in the kool-aide, the other gladly sold his soul for the thirty pieces of silver in his tax cuts.
I guess "Give me Liberty..." means nothing to some people anymore.
40 - Dave Nalle
BM, I'm still waiting for my tax cuts. I'm in the unenviable upper-middle income group which got the lowest tax cuts of all, so I'm still looking for real tax reform.
Dave
41 - Dave Nalle
And BTW, 'give me liberty' certainly doesn't mean tax and grab political psychos like Nancy Pelosi taking over the country and taking away both my rights AND my money.
Dave
42 - Georgio
what are you going to do when you wake up in Nov and see this BITCH take out her whips and changes the whole direction of the house..oh man I can't wait to see this Bitch in action..
It's going to happen Arch..it's too bad that we have to wait until Nov.
43 - Scott
Dave's right...we're much better off with the current crop of (cut) tax and grab psychos taking away our rights and money.
44 - Dave Nalle
Scott, they take away less of our money and a lot fewer of our rights. Learn to love the lesser of two evils now or learn to hate the worse of two evils when Pelosi is in power.
Dave
45 - Blue Meanie
Dave states: "Scott, they take away less of our money and a lot fewer of our rights."
The first half, less of our money is correct, but then they spend more than they have, putting our nations mortgage on the country's credit card at an insanely higher interest rate...
the second half, about taking away less of our rights; that is a pure outright and knowing lie!
This is substantiated by the entire NSA scandal currently breaking.
People in the republican party, like Dave, constantly between now and November will try and paint the incompetent, lying, corrupt, scandal ridden blood sucking leeches currently in power as the lesser of the two evils.
Boy, evil gets tossed around a lot by them.
Check the facts and don't fall for the republican talking points, then decide for yourself which is the lesser evil. Myself, I think that checks and balances are far better than the single party rule we have been under the last few years.
We are no safer, the national checkbook does not balance, our standing in the world has diminished and our basic rights are broken by an administration that knowingly states they believe themselves above the law or our Constitution.
See the justification behind the signing statements and the bypassing of both the FISA law, as well as the 1934 telecommunications act for easy examples. Then add yesterday's revelation concerning Abramhoff.
A court ordered the WH to comply with a Judicial Watch lawsuit and provide records of Jack's coming and going. Incomplete records were given, not in compliance with the Court order, and those listed only 2 visits by Abramhoff ( both to Rove to ask for Jack's staffers to get WH jobs). Neither of these visits were the ones mentioned by Scott McClellen as knwon visits.
So again, the WH holds itself above and beyond the law and the courts.
Who is the lesser evil?
46 - zingzing
dave: "they take away less of our money and a lot fewer of our rights"
i really don't remember being so scared for my freedom 6 years ago. do you? what did clinton do to reduce your rights? if administrations had been stripping rights like this all along, we'd have nothing left at the pace bushetc have set. i'm confused. what rights? guns? ahh, fuck off. if i could, i'd take every gun and stick it up the gunowner's ass. oh, don't start on that. that was just a sidetrack. maybe... the right to define marriage by the bible?
i'm looking for something that dems would take away from us. help me out. what are they going to do, and if they are going to do it, why didn't they already do it, you know, if they would ever do such a thing?
47 - JP
Arch: "dividing Americans by promoting class warfare propaganda"? Is it better to engage in class warfare or talk about it? Repubs blast Democrats for the latter while they do the former at the same time. Un cool.
48 - zingzing
well said.
49 - JR
Dave Nalle: Scott, they (Republicans) take away less of our money and a lot fewer of our rights.
I bet Tommy Chong, Brendan Mayfield, the terminally ill and any pregnant teenager would beg to differ.
50 - Arch Conservative
How exactly does the GOp engage in class warfare JP?
I bet you will give some trite "tax cuts for the rich" bullshit answer.
To that I would provide a few statistics
The top 1% of taxpayers pays 30% of all income taxes.
The top 50% of taxpayers pay 96% of all income taxes.
The top 1% pays more than ten times in income taxes than the bottom 50%.
So while your whining about "tax cuts for the rich" JP maybe you had better take a closer look at how much all the illegals aliens that you moonbats love so much are costing us.
51 - JP
Arch -
Cutting the estate tax is a prime example.
"Today, the estates of only 1 out of every 200 people who die owe any estate tax whatsoever, because the first $2.0 million of the value of any estate ($4.0 million for a couple) is totally exempt from the tax."
So how does that affect us all equally? Only in the fact that these top 0.5% of estates pay these taxes, but the defecit and debt they help balance is a burden of everyone.
52 - Michael J. West
The top 50% of taxpayers pay 96% of all income taxes.
And the top 5% of taxpayers make 90% of the income. So until the top 5% of taxpayers are paying 90% of all income taxes, they are by definition receiving tax breaks.
53 - Arch Conservative
"And the top 5% of taxpayers make 90% of the income. So until the top 5% of taxpayers are paying 90% of all income taxes, they are by definition receiving tax breaks."
The top 5% pay a higher percentage of their income than the rest Michael. It's called being in a higher bracket. Therefore they are not recieving any tax breaks
How does cutting or repealing the estate tax promote class warfare JP? As you yourself stated the law currently only taxes estates in excess of 2 million. So you think that the children or heirs of someone who has been so successful that thier estate exceeds this figure should be punished by being taxed while evryone else gets a pass?
That's the problem with you lefties. You're a bunch of tax happy socialists who get a hard on every time the term income redistribtution is mentioned. You expect the rich to take care of everyone by being forced by the governemnt to surrender a huge and unreasonable portion of thier personal income. You can't fathom the idea that people should make better decisions in thier lives that affect their financial welfare.
54 - Dave Nalle
I bet Tommy Chong,
Tommy Chong went to jail under a Democrat governor and Attorney General in California.
Brendan Mayfield,
Mayfield was arrested by mistake as a result of bad data. There was nothing political about it.
the terminally ill and any pregnant teenager would beg to differ.
Some might argue that Republicans are more inclined to preserve the lives of the terminally ill. As for pregnant teens, who doesn't want to keep them from getting pregnant?
Dave
55 - zingzing
pregnant teenagers... maybe he was talking about the a-word. don't say it.
56 - JR
Uh... as far as I can tell, Tommy Chong was nabbed as part of Operation Pipe Dreams (that looks like a Republican taking the credit there) and sentenced by a Federal judge.
Brendan Mayfield was arrested due to an FBI error which I would not attribute to partisan politics. However he was deprived of his due process rights (he was held without being charged and not given access to legal representation) under provisions of the Patriot Act, which was written by and pushed through Congress by Republicans.
Your last paragraph completely avoids addressing my point; you know that, right?
57 - Silas Kain
OY, back to the topic at hand. Nancy Pelosi as Shrieker of the House --- I shudder the thought. I'd take a third GW Bush term over the prospect of the Nanny Goat from California presiding over the people's business or as I see it the status quo. The special interests and the machinery on K Street would continue to weild their immense powers.
If the voters of America want real reform, there's no doubt that the GOP needs to be sent packing out of the House. But, in the process, we've got to have the vision and guts to bring into office people who will not allow the devisive politics to continue. We don't need an impeachment of GW Bush. We do, however, need a wholesale overthrow of the legislative branch of Federal Government.
58 - JR
Silas Kain: OY, back to the topic at hand. Nancy Pelosi as Shrieker of the House --- I shudder the thought. I'd take a third GW Bush term over the prospect of the Nanny Goat from California presiding over the people's business or as I see it the status quo.
Then we disagree. Strongly.
I'd take a bloody war of secession and Nancy Pelosi as President of the Republic of California over the prospect of a third term under Bush, Jr.
59 - Arch Conservative
Nice to see all you good libs changing the subject when alittle lightis shone on the reality of our current tax system and it doesn't support your socialist class warfare propaganda!
60 - Scott
Dave, I think it's time you get with the program here. This is just downright embarrasing.
61 - gonzo marx
and the Bingster chimes in...like a good little GOP drone, tax cuts are the be all and end all for him...
many of the GOP faithful still cling to the idea that they will allow anything to happen to our Nation as long as they get their 30 pieces of silver
fuck that
balance the fucking checkbook...pay for the fucking pre-emptive War...then we can talk about reforming the tax system (which i have no problem with)
but no...instead it's more pork than a texas bar-b-q and more tax cuts for those who don't need it...
ya make $50,000 ya get about $40-50 bucks back...but ya make $500,000 ya get over $40,000 back
that makes sense, huh?
Excelsior?
62 - Arch Conservative
Well gee gonzo if the moonbats didn't say "tax cuts for the rich" 100 times a day maybe I wouldn't have to fucking respond to them. why don't you trying callin them drones as well when that's all they fuckign say all day long "tax cuts for the rich" "evil corpoarations" and other assorted letist catchphrases. Nice to see how objective you can be Gonzo.
I agree that no one in congress rep or dem is actually practicing fiscal restraint or responsibility at the moment.
The only solution seems to be to overhaul the system. We need to eliminate the financial incentives to be a member of congress. Term limits would be a good start. from there.
The reason I still support the GOP in spite of thier recent financial ineptitude is that they still represent my social values more than the dems.
I'm sorry but I don't have a hardon for socialism, abortion on demand, the eradication of expressions of christianity by private citizens in public, the lax attitude toward pedophiles, illegal aliens, race baiting for political gain, or any other form of moral relativity.
Fuck the liberals and Dems.
63 - gonzo marx
ok Bing..here's the acid test...
just how "conservative" are ya?
what's yer position on...
violating the 4th amendment and FISA laws with the wiretapping bullshit?
Abramhoff and lobbyist scandals?
Duke Cunningham and his corruption?
Deficit spending on pork projects?
pre-emptive war and nation building?
see, i don't have a hard-on for folks who claim to stand for one thing, then fuck up and do the other, all the while lining their pockets...
as for your last paragraph full of straw men...it just shows how much you can't be taken seriously
fuck the fascists and hypocritical assholes
Excelsior?
64 - Dave Nalle
Gonzo, a lot of the issues you bring up in the last post aren't strictly speaking conservative vs. liberal issues. In fact I'm not sure that conservatism is inherently opposed to corruption and I think pre-emptive war has to be differentiated from nation building from a conservative standpoint.
Dave
65 - Arch Conservative
OOOHHH Gonzo says I'm not really a conservative so I must not be. Just like he claims people making 50K only get 50 bucks back. If you're making 50K and only getting 50 bucks back then you need to take a class in filling out your tax returns correctly or basic math...either way you're an idiot.
As for your little test, you can take it, cover it in K-Y, and shove it straight up your ass Gonzo. But don't forget to pull your head out first.
66 - gonzo marx
well Bing..thanks for your thoughtful and insightful response..
guess that answers my question
as for the numbers on what i stated, please note that not even Mr. Nalle disputes them...they came from the CBO this past week, taken directly from the Bill that just passed House and Senate
so..fuck your opinion, Bing...try a dose of reality once in a while
for Mr. Nalle....i see your point, and agree some of it may be open to discussion...when it comes to nation building/pre-emptive war
but you should at least agree with the rest of those points...
it bloggles my Mind that the very same folks who claim staunch conservatism/libertarianism....and will fight tooth and nail not to register their guns, will bend over and take one about the vital importance fo Privacy Rights and the 4th Amendment....
much less spending and breaking Federal laws...
go figure
Excelsior?
67 - Dave Nalle
Actually, Gonzo, I missed your comment about the tax cuts.
The new, proposed tax cuts, would actually overwhelmingly target the middle class, the people who need them the most. Most people in the lower income brackets pay little or no taxes, and these cuts taper off rapidly at the higher income levels.
You can read the analysis at The WaPo. I couldn't find a link to the CBO report which that article is based on.
Basically the cuts are focused directly on incomes in the $75K to $200K range, tapering off above and below those levels. Very little in the way of cuts for the truly rich who are earning over $1mil.
What's also not mentioned in any of this is that the proposed budget would grow the deficit by only $29 billion next year, less than 1/5 of what was projected two years ago, so between Bush's newly proposed spending cuts which are quite substantial and increased revenues resulting from tax cuts we're WAY ahead of schedule on balancing the budget. New estimates are that we'll have a balanced budget before Bush leaves office and be paying down the deficit.
Dave
68 - gonzo marx
comment #67 sez...
*What's also not mentioned in any of this is that the proposed budget would grow the deficit by only $29 billion next year,*
note, grow the deficit...
i understand and know where you are getting your rosy predictions from...
i just don't agree with the methodology or how comprehensive the calculations are...
that's ok..and part of ongoing Debate...which is as it should be...
just how many folks do you think are going to gain from the capital gains cuts when they earn under $50k?
this is all a minor point...
read #63 again, and ask yourself those Questions honestly
fair enuff?
Excelsior?
69 - Dave Nalle
I thought #63 was for AC? I don't agree with most of that stuff and never have, though I do draw the line somewhat differently on what actions actually violate the 4th amendment.
Dave
70 - gonzo marx
it was mostly fer Bing...but ANYone shoudl be able to look at those Questions and think fer themselves, eh?
as for the 4th amendment...well, i know you and i have differed on this....i obviously have a much more Libertarian approach, in that i fucking REQUIRE a judicial branch review and warrant that holds to the level of "probable cause" as LITERALLY delineated in aforementioned Amendment...
but i'm silly like that...
Excelsior?
71 - Dave Nalle
I wouldn't call your approach more libertarian, just more rigid and limited.
I believe that there are fundamental rights and freedoms which transcend and predate the Constitution, and that while it is in most ways a very good expression of them, it's far from perfect, and that common sense and natural law are of slightly higher value.
Dave
72 - Silas Kain
Tax cuts coming out of Washington are an insult to any American --- get it through your heads, folks, they're playing us and we're buying into it.
They're gearing up for an Election Season so they'll dust off the "kill a married queer" posters. They'll get the little blue haired grandmothers out of their government sponsored corrals to picket in front of abortion clinics. Why, if I were a betting man, I'd invest in a wire hanger factory. There'll be plenty manufactured for this political season.
Arch Conservative says: As for your little test, you can take it, cover it in K-Y, and shove it straight up your ass Gonzo. But don't forget to pull your head out first.
For someone so anti-gay, he sure knows a lot about the lingo. Must have studied all that at Divinity School in the class where they teach that with Christ men can be made straight. Praise the Lord! I ain't "cured"!
73 - JR
They'll get the little blue haired grandmothers out of their government sponsored corrals to picket in front of abortion clinics.
In my experience, they prefer to draft kids to picket. After all, in a profound disagreement over morality, sex and reproduction, what could be more important than the opinion of a twelve-year-old?
74 - Dave Nalle
How does that work, Silas? Is gay sex with Christ so horrible that it scares them straight?
Dave
75 - JP
Arch - "You expect the rich to take care of everyone by being forced by the governemnt to surrender a huge and unreasonable portion of thier personal income." You're assuming here that the estate tax is unreasonable. I don't think it is. Conservatives seem to think cutting all taxes is the best approach to fixing any problem, I just don't agree.