Here's the background and more on South Dakota's effort to pass an abortion ban that legislators hope will result in overturning Roe v. Wade
I'm starting to think we should change the signs people see when entering my state. "Welcome to South Dakota, Front Line of the Abortion Wars" has kind of a catchy ring, don't you think?…
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76 - Mark
CC
#58 [A point you seem to be missing is that I dont really care all that much if a woman dies during an abortion...]
No Mark, actually that point was not lost on me. I just thought it bared repeating. Thanks. And yes, I do indeed think that is apalling, but somehow I think you'll get over it...b/c I smell like old cheese. BTW- why did you put that weird statement at the end of your post?
Interesting how you chose to simply take my words out of context, instead of addressing the point I made in that post. The cheese thing was me mocking pro-choice people, its tough to bring my humor down a few levels...sorry.
77 - RogerMDillon
How did you know, Virgin Josh? You told me that you only had a sore throat, but it appears it was worse. Make sure you tell the sailors before they ship out.
78 - CC
#72 I don't know about your first example b/c I'm not familiar with the details of either case. Most likely the actual facts have been distorted by people who hate the ACLU. Sorry, but I'm also not willing to just take your word for it, b/c you are so biased against them, that anything they do would be seen as inappropriate or harmful.
There is a BIG difference b/t having a class in schools to teach about religion vs forcing children to pray or 'have a moment of silence' and trying to teach Creationsim, uh execuse me, Intelligent Design(because they are really different y'know-honestly). A big difference. I took Bible survey courses in high school and also prayed with my group Fellowship of Christian Atheletes actually on school grounds. Another distortion typical of arch conservatives.
Minutemen- legal? Nope, they kidnap (take people against their will) which is AGAINST THE LAW, but I guess we can just do whatever we AMERICANS want to ILLEGAL aliens b/c in your words 'no where in our constituion does it say that people who sneak across our border illegally have rights under the American legal system'. LOL- absurd
[I fail to what the ACLU's extreme zeal for defending islamic terrorists/enemy combatants and slandering the American military has to do with civil liberties]
Of course you don't b/c although you have not actually stated this, but you seemed to imply from your statement post that only AMERICANS deserve to have their civil liberties defended.
DEATH TO THE ACLU- not actually a threat against them? Yeah, and when radical Muslims say DEATH TO AMERICAN! they don't actually MEAN it right? They just want us to disappear, but they aren't trying to actually DO anything or make it happen. again...absurd
The rest is just inane babble.
#74 [Birth control does nothing to reduce the number of abortions]
*sigh*
[PA requires parental notification and my parents would never allow it]
FYI- parental notification does not require parents permission, as parental consent does; so they could do NOTHING to prevent her.
Also, the rate of abortion among conservative Catholics & Protestants is actually statistically higher b/c they are less likely to use birth control & feel they need an abortion- especially among unmarried women & girls. so professing to be what you call a 'good Catholic' doesn't mean much- not in reality anyway. I know you refuse to believe these points, but I thought I'd at least try. note: I am in no way saying anything about your family personally, so please don't take it as such.
Also, plenty of women get abortions without anyone knowing-even in good Catholic families(after the vast majority of early term abortions, you are fine in a few hours). Hence the higher statistical rates of abortion among conservative religious people. (nobody has to know except them and god- there is no evidence)
[Interesting how you chose to simply take my words out of context, instead of addressing the point I made in that post. The cheese thing was me mocking pro-choice people, its tough to bring my humor down a few levels...sorry.]
You mean down to my level? Okay- that's just plain rude and obnoxious. I don't appreciate it.
Also, can you explain to me how 'A point you seem to be missing is that I dont really care all that much if a woman dies during an abortion' can be taken out of context. I'm really curious. I did not say you were happy that women die when they get illegal abortions- then you WOULD be a nutjob. Taken in context, your actual comment is appalling and IMO immoral.
79 - CC
#72 cont-
To try to bring the discussion back on topic- there is a big difference b/t teaching about religions and trying to pass off ID or Creationism as actual science. ONLY science belongs in science class. But apparently religion belongs everywhere else- in our state legislatures(south dakota), in our personal private bedrooms, on our bodies, and in our uteruses, and with us at the doctor's office.
80 - Arch Conservative
CC ...where to begin. First of all just because you're not familiar with the cases I mentioned does not mean I am distorting them. Instead of remaining ignorant why don't you educate yourselves on these cases instead of making an ass of yourself on here.
With regard to religion in schools the ACLU has files countless lawsuits to ban the mention of any aspect of Christianity in school not just "teaching creationism," while not doing the same when Islam is discussed in the public school system.
The minutemen have never kidnapped anyone. All that they have done is surveilled people crossing the border illegally and then call the border patrol to make them aware of these people. In one instance they even helped one man who had crossed the border illegally and became dehydrated and sick. The minutemen took him to a hospital to recieev medical attention. I don't know where you got the idea that they kidnap people because it is not true. Frankly I think you just made it up because it derves your delusional point of view.
With regard to your comment about my failing to believe foreigners have civil liberties you totally missed the point. The ACLU is an "American" entity that professes to stand up for the civil liberties of "Americans." Therefore it is not only hypocritical but innapropriate that the ACLU shows more consideration for terrorists and illegal aliens. I don't expect you to understand this because you live in the bizarro leftist world where common sense and logic are frowned upon as they are diametrically opposed to your the leftist agenda.
You go on to speak about how only science should be taught in science class and not creationism because it has religious leanings. Why then is it ok for the left then to force thier views glorifying the homosexual lifestyle on children in the first grade. Seems like a rather striking hypocrisy to me. it's ok to teach a subject in public schools if it is leftists leaning but if it is conservative or has any connection to Christianity at all ...oh no we can't have that.
You're ignorant of what actually goes on in the real world CC. You like the typical left wing [Deleted], ignore the facts that don't support your point of view and impugn those who offer them while making up your own truths like "the minutemen kidnap people." You really are sad.
81 - Elvira Black
Mark:
Thank you for answering my questions.
82 - CC
#80 I am familiar with the ACLU and have done quite a bit of research into their cases & my findings are different from yours. So my only conclusion is you are flat out being dishonest about the ACLU(but I'm sure you'll just levy the same charge at me), so we're at an impass. But don't take my word for it- I encourage people to look at the merits of the individual cases (not political opinions about the cases) as well as familiarize themselves with our rights under the Constitution, but the actual ACLU cases concerning religion in schools & otherwise instead of believing random people's word for it.
The ACLU standing up for no religion in schools does indeed go beyond the mentioning (education) of X religion in schools- which was, is, and never will be illegal in the U.S. because it is not a government endorsement of religion. Enforced prayer in schools is. The fact that they tend to go after Christianity more so than Islam is simply a illustration of the prevalence of Christianity in our society vs. Islam as well as demonstration of the differing functions of those particular religions. Christians prostilitize(including in the schools) and Muslims do not- therefore it is to be expected to see evangelical Christians attempting to force their religion on public schools b/c it is their duty as Chistians. Your claim that Christianity or other religions cannot be 'mentioned' in schools is either a lie or a misrepresentation- depending on your definition of the word mention and who is doing the mentioning. However I do appreciate the fundies stamping of feet, while loudly proclaiming, "Why do THEY get to get into the schools and not us? Wahh!"
Acceptance or education on what you term a homosexual 'lifestyle' is not the opposite of not allowing Christian religious teachings in public schools. Being gay is a reality, and just because your religion claims it to be a sin or wrong, does not mean it does not exist, or the public school education of it(or anything else fundie Christians disagree with- contraception, Evolution) is an assault on
your interpretation of your religion. Get over yourselves! Not everything is 'in reaction' to you.
I am fully aware of the Minutemen's actions b/c I live in TX and actually know a number of them. They do kidnap(hold people at gunpoint against their will until border patrol arrives)- this IS illegal under the law, as well as trepass on private property, and break other laws. Not saying they are evil or do not help people in need, but they are law breakers.
Frankly I am proud of the ACLU for standing up for anyone subjected to torture or abuse- especially when they are in U.S. custody or on U.S. soil. I think it is part of the ACLU's duties and responsibility to not only defend our civil liberties, but to indeed defend others when we as Americans abuse others' civil liberties, thereby not only showing ourselves to be hypocritics, but also showing a disregard and a distain for the rights we hold so dear and expect from others. These rights are not only U.S. citizens rights, but indeed human rights.
A.C.- How much more conservative can your government get before you will be happy? I mean, what the hell else do you want? You have the presidency, the legislature, and a large percentage of the courts. What the hell else do you want!? I mean, you've had this country since the early 1980's and the Clinton years DO NOT count b/c he was not a liberal & you got to terrorise him daily as well as get so-called welfare reform etc. out of it. Will you be only happy when your kind are running EVERYTHING and all political discourse is disallowed unless it agrees with your view, vigilante groups are taking the laws into their own hands, schools are no more than tax-payer funded Sunday schools, and absolutely no one has rights to address their concerns in a court of law? I'm inclined to believe the answer is yes.
Your kind shuns history, sound economic theories, science, the separation of church and state, philosophy not based on religious prinicples, rational argument and logic, intellectualism, the U.S. Constitution & the judicial process, and a respect for the balance of power that is supposed to exist in our government. I don't know what to be most appalled about, but your attack of the judiciary & your lack of basic knowledge of our Constitutional rights smacks of ignorance(lack of knowledge) of both. Your attacks seem not so much about accepted law, the U.S. Constitution, and established precident but more grounded in your hatred & distain & your personal beliefs regarding the process that YOUR Founding Fathers established in our Constitution. Your fervent demagoguery is truly disturbing.
I guess I could just continue on this rant about my 'agenda' arch conservatives and what I believe to be their delusional 'agenda' but it would not help or change your mind, and frankly, you are being a bit too abusive with your words and I no longer wish to waste my time with an abusive bully.
Regardless, I am very grateful to be ignorant of what goes on in YOUR world.
83 - Mike
I could give this whole spew on why abortion is wrong, and i could of course use an array of facts drawn from science, logic, and morality, however i wont.
I simply will say:
Anyone who supports abortion is a baby hater.
Thank you
84 - Josh
Man-slut Roger:
You're right. Do you have any other symptoms they should be aware of? It's always been a business policy of mine that customers should be made aware of my employees "little problems".
85 - Mike
Josh, put emphasis on the "Little" part. His "Little" problem has created a big problem in his attitude. It has caused a swelling of arrogance, to compensate for the lack of swelling elsewhere.
86 - Josh
CC, I agree that the ACLU has done very good things. However, it's defense of NAMBLA is appalling and seriously undermines their credibility.
87 - RogerMDillon
Virgin Josh, as long as they kept themselves out of your mouth, they should be fine. I can't speak for any of your other orifices since I couldn't afford your steep price of a piece of chewing gum.
Virgin Mike, that's not what your mom said.
88 - Mark
Wow...I think we've all witnessed some scathing rhetoric tonight...impressive.
89 - Smoke Crack Mountain
Hey people, realize this: we are just as superstitious as those long lost Mayans so long ago. We have to make some bizarre sacrifice to appease the earth god, our own fears, or a political philosophy dating from the late twentieth century.
The sad shit is that abortion is legal everywhere. America is no different. We are pussies to trends too. It will always be legal to kill the innocent. Liberty is dead, and nobody cares.
90 - CC
#86 Although of course I agree that what NAMBLA supports is indeed disturbing, that does not mean the group's web site or materials incited the crime that was committed to that poor little boy. The men who committed that crime happened to view NAMBLA materials- materials& literature which were subsiquently determined NAMBLA does not promote any type of violence or illegal behavior. It does promote the repeal of age of consent laws, but does not actively encourage people to break the law. ACLU saw this as solely a free speech violation, and they did not in anyway defend the criminals or their actions. Would people be as appalled and go after particular websites if a white guy shot and murdered a black guy, but the days leading up to it had viewed KKK & NRA websites and literature? However, I do agree NABLA is a very poor choice of planitiffs to represent. I guess they figure it is their duty to defend all free speech rights, no matter how abhorrent the speech.
Unless a group 'encites' or encourages others to violence like the Nuremberg Files website, there is little our government can do due to that damned first amendment.
91 - Lee
I love all of the conservative Christian rantings about how precious life is, how dare those who believe in choice and civil liberties murder these defenseless fetuses. If life is so precious to you and your ilk, then why are none of you ever trying to help those in need, who end up dying beneath bridges or frozen to park benches in the dead of winter. How many of you worry about the children who die everyday in Bush's playground (Iraq). Between Texas, Afghanistan, and Iraq, your wonderful leader has put more of that precious life in the ground than you care to talk about, but that is okay. "He's pertectin' ya from the terrists and the killars. It's hard work, real hard." Get out among the masses, help all that precious life you guys normally ignore and sneer at. Quit looking down on all these helpless people and quit just believing that lower taxes are the way to salvation for all this precious life. You pathetic sumbitches make me sick!
92 - Rachel
Hi,in my opinion abortion is never justified. we supposed to punish those who murder but thousands of women who have had abortions are walking around happily enjoying their life even though their incocent angelic child was silently slaughtered behind sterile doors.
Any one who has had an abortion is a murderer and should not be allowed to get on with their life!
93 - Rachel
Lee; i am 100% prolife, hate violence, dont agree with the death penalty, against war,and i want to help homeless people but realisticly where i live(England) and my age(13) there is nothing much many people can do. England has set up Homeless sheleters and on March 11 we raise millions of pounds(dollors to you) to help those who need it in England and Other countries.
The goverment in America and England are probably doing everything they can to help those in need.
By the way dont you ever call pro-lifers "You pathetic sumbitches make me sick!" because we are not pro-choice people are "pathetic murderes and you make me sick" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!