And remember that the British government is partly responsible for the death of tens of thousands of INNOCENT people in Irak. This is just one more innocent person killed by them. What's the difference ?
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td
Jul 26, 2005 at 2:10 pm
I love racist debates.
"You're a racist"
"No, you're a racist"
"No, you're a racist"
"No, you're a racist"
blah blah blah....
If you want to accuse and entire country of being racist based on specific events you select from their history then please referance what country you live in so that others can do the same.
Racism sucks. It exists in every country and every culture. No one is exempt.
That said, it doesn't mean every act by an individual of one race against someone of another race is fueled by racist motivations. Maybe the cop who shot him is a racist, and just wanted to cap a minority. Or maybe was given information that led him to truly believe the guy did have a bomb and was trying to execute an attack.
But if your argument is: The cop must be racist because his country killed indians 500 years ago.
Then please rethink your argument. Unless your talking about the french, this type of stereotyping is unproductive.
td I am in the United States. We know more about racism more than any other, whereas we exposed and try to remove it, others still trying to hide it's existence....
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Dave
Jul 26, 2005 at 3:04 pm
Gee, all you have to is look like a third worlder and have a thick coat on and BAMM! your one dead mudder pucker! Charles de Menezes is now dead.
He didn't look like a third-worlder, he looked (by virtue of his behavior, not his appearance) like a terrorist: He emerged from a suspected terrorist hangout that had been under surveillance, wearing a long, bulky coat in July that gave him the appearance of hiding something under it, and then when the police identified themselves and told him to stop, he ran into the same subway system that has suffered two waves of terrorist attacks in the last few weeks, jumped the turnstile and ran onto the platform. So spare us the all you have to [do] is look like a third worlder crap.
It is still the cops words vs no one else. No video footage yet.
32 -
valery dawe
Jul 26, 2005 at 10:23 pm
>If you want to accuse and entire country of being racist based on specific events you select from their history<
Colonizing large areas of the planet and subjugating whole populations are specific "events"???
I said Britain's head of state was ignorant for giving a speech praising centuries of racist behaviour and therefore it shouldn't surprise anyone that British cops, judges, Members of Parliament and the general white public are on the same level.
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dave
Jul 31, 2005 at 6:01 am
(I said Britain's head of state was ignorant for giving a speech praising centuries of racist behaviour and therefore it shouldn't surprise anyone that British cops, judges, Members of Parliament and the general white public are on the same level.)
As td said (please referance what country you live in so that others can do the same.) quite new at this but your last comment sounds racist to me
how can you judge the general white population by the fault of a few thats not saying i think the police where at fault the guy should have stopped when asked if he had been bomber what would
have been said then
for reference i am white english
next door neighbour black english or is that wrong thing to say ??
34 -
valery dawe
Aug 01, 2005 at 3:34 am
>how can you judge the general white population by the fault of a few<
Colonizing large areas of the planet and subjugating whole populations isn't/wasn't the fault of a 'few'. The few were those who weren't part of the Union Jack-waving herd.
>the guy should have stopped when asked<
Okay, so you're gullible.
>for reference i am white english
next door neighbour black english or is that wrong thing to say ??<
It's irrelevant.
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cc
Aug 17, 2005 at 12:48 pm
Now that the new revelations have emerged, John and Dave and Nancy look really stupid now.
It seems that since our domestic security forces are not capable of tracking and preventing terrorist activities, our governments have enacted draconian measures to further empower the very people who weren't smart enough to pick out the real perpetrators in the first place.
We're fucked.
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Nancy
Aug 17, 2005 at 1:17 pm
Nancy is humble enough to say that if the situation is not as originally represented, Nancy has made a gross error in judgement on this. And IF the allegations are true, that he was NOT running & refusing to stop, etc., that he was sitting peacefully, then this is beyond horrible, but why would they jump on him out of everyone else there? At any rate, at this point Nancy doesn't quite know what to think. They have to protect the public .... Thank God I'm not the British police; I couldn't make a judgement call like that.
39 -
Nancy
Aug 17, 2005 at 1:20 pm
Having been to the various news sites, I am just horrified, and state that I am/was totally wrong.
It almost sounds like a murder/assisination job now. This is even more disturbing.
43 -
cc
Aug 17, 2005 at 9:50 pm
I, upset and frustrated and feeling helpless by these events, posted for the sake of being unkind. Not that I thought that anyone would even read comments on an entry that was last commented on sixteen days ago.
So, I give Nancy lots of credit, and I take back my initial comment.
Article comments
26 - nick
And remember that the British government is partly responsible for the death of tens of thousands of INNOCENT people in Irak. This is just one more innocent person killed by them. What's the difference ?
27 - td
I love racist debates.
"You're a racist"
"No, you're a racist"
"No, you're a racist"
"No, you're a racist"
blah blah blah....
If you want to accuse and entire country of being racist based on specific events you select from their history then please referance what country you live in so that others can do the same.
Racism sucks. It exists in every country and every culture. No one is exempt.
That said, it doesn't mean every act by an individual of one race against someone of another race is fueled by racist motivations. Maybe the cop who shot him is a racist, and just wanted to cap a minority. Or maybe was given information that led him to truly believe the guy did have a bomb and was trying to execute an attack.
But if your argument is: The cop must be racist because his country killed indians 500 years ago.
Then please rethink your argument. Unless your talking about the french, this type of stereotyping is unproductive.
28 - mojoala
What's the difference ?
The one's that were killed if any by Brits are killed by Military. Charles was killed by Non-Military in a non-war-zone.
29 - mojoala
td I am in the United States. We know more about racism more than any other, whereas we exposed and try to remove it, others still trying to hide it's existence....
30 - Dave
He didn't look like a third-worlder, he looked (by virtue of his behavior, not his appearance) like a terrorist: He emerged from a suspected terrorist hangout that had been under surveillance, wearing a long, bulky coat in July that gave him the appearance of hiding something under it, and then when the police identified themselves and told him to stop, he ran into the same subway system that has suffered two waves of terrorist attacks in the last few weeks, jumped the turnstile and ran onto the platform. So spare us the all you have to [do] is look like a third worlder crap.
31 - mojoala
It is still the cops words vs no one else. No video footage yet.
32 - valery dawe
>If you want to accuse and entire country of being racist based on specific events you select from their history<
Colonizing large areas of the planet and subjugating whole populations are specific "events"???
I said Britain's head of state was ignorant for giving a speech praising centuries of racist behaviour and therefore it shouldn't surprise anyone that British cops, judges, Members of Parliament and the general white public are on the same level.
33 - dave
(I said Britain's head of state was ignorant for giving a speech praising centuries of racist behaviour and therefore it shouldn't surprise anyone that British cops, judges, Members of Parliament and the general white public are on the same level.)
As td said (please referance what country you live in so that others can do the same.) quite new at this but your last comment sounds racist to me
how can you judge the general white population by the fault of a few thats not saying i think the police where at fault the guy should have stopped when asked if he had been bomber what would
have been said then
for reference i am white english
next door neighbour black english or is that wrong thing to say ??
34 - valery dawe
>how can you judge the general white population by the fault of a few<
Colonizing large areas of the planet and subjugating whole populations isn't/wasn't the fault of a 'few'. The few were those who weren't part of the Union Jack-waving herd.
>the guy should have stopped when asked<
Okay, so you're gullible.
>for reference i am white english
next door neighbour black english or is that wrong thing to say ??<
It's irrelevant.
35 - cc
Now that the new revelations have emerged, John and Dave and Nancy look really stupid now.
36 - Aaman
What are the new revelations?
37 - JR
Here.
It seems that since our domestic security forces are not capable of tracking and preventing terrorist activities, our governments have enacted draconian measures to further empower the very people who weren't smart enough to pick out the real perpetrators in the first place.
We're fucked.
38 - Nancy
Nancy is humble enough to say that if the situation is not as originally represented, Nancy has made a gross error in judgement on this. And IF the allegations are true, that he was NOT running & refusing to stop, etc., that he was sitting peacefully, then this is beyond horrible, but why would they jump on him out of everyone else there? At any rate, at this point Nancy doesn't quite know what to think. They have to protect the public .... Thank God I'm not the British police; I couldn't make a judgement call like that.
39 - Nancy
Having been to the various news sites, I am just horrified, and state that I am/was totally wrong.
40 - mojoala
What prompted all these comments 2 weeks later?
41 - Nancy
Apparently, radically different information concerning the circumstances of the guy's shooting. Go to the link in comment #37.
42 - mojoala
It almost sounds like a murder/assisination job now. This is even more disturbing.
43 - cc
I, upset and frustrated and feeling helpless by these events, posted for the sake of being unkind. Not that I thought that anyone would even read comments on an entry that was last commented on sixteen days ago.
So, I give Nancy lots of credit, and I take back my initial comment.
44 - mojoala
Yes, jr it appears we are f_ck_d!