If Cindy Sheehan's grief was genuine, why does she welcome all the media attention?
Should President Bush meet with grieving mother Cindy Sheehan? Sheehan lost her son Casey who was serving in Iraq. Since August 6, she has been camping outside the President's ranch in Crawford, Texas, calling upon Bush to see her. Bush has said he sympathizes with her, but has not seen her yet.…
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26 - Z.Z. Bachman
I am sure that the folks camped out in front of the Crawford ranch believe that terrorism is really being spawned by George Bush and our US foreign policy stretching back to... perhaps forever. Please... wake up liberals. Many islamic hardcore sites are being VERY clear that this neo-islamic religion is hell bent on exterminating the people of Israel and also any Christian that get's in their way. Peace in the Middle East will never come about until radical islamic teachings are themselves exterminated and extinguished. Bravo Tony Blair for deporting islamic hate mongers from Great Britian !! U.S. mainstream moonbat media will NEVER report this stuff.... since it doesn't meet their agenda of bashing the U.S. administration. Read and learn what your enemy is thinking... and take your heads out of the sand.
27 - Anthony Grande
Isn't it weird that out of all the 1,700 mothers who lost a son or daughter in Iraq that only one would come out and complain about Bush. It is also weird that none of the other 1,699 mothers have joined her. The ones who go out against her don't get much publicity.
28 - Sam Boogliodemus
Well, it didn't take a month for her to fade away. It took all of 24 hrs. Once her inconsistenceis were revealed by CNN, she was toast. Did her mother really have a stroke? The timing is very suspicious! She is just an emotional nut who's family and freinds tolerated her weirdness until the pierced tongue crowd swept her up. Now she's a liability.
29 - Anthony Grande
Well said Sam
30 - billy
are you kidding me. you right wingers are on the side of criminals that run over memorials to the troops and american flags with their pickup trucks. that is un-american which is what you are showing yourselves to be. i have only one word for people that slander the military and their families like you. - - -TRAITOR
31 - Anthony Grande
billy, Are you calling me a traitor??? When did I slander the military??? I think Sheehan is the one who is slandering the Military. Did you mean her???
32 - Shark
First -- what Margaret said.
Also -- Marc, you still have no shame -- and hopefull, someday you'll ask people like Cindy Sheehan for forgiveness.
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Meanwhile... in their rush to defend their lying, opportunistic President, the bullshit and blasphemy continues:
Grande sez: "Isn't it weird that out of all the 1,700 mothers who lost a son or daughter in Iraq that only one would come out and complain about Bush."
Bear with me for the next few moments -- moments that should probably be SPENT IN SILENCE.
More people who are unpatriotic and belong in the same breath as Jane Fonda?
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May they find some healing.
...And may our nation find some kind of healing...
33 - MSG John
Please note that several of the deceased in the above list are listed more than once and that many of the relatives are not mothers or even fathers of the deceased.
May they all find some healing? Most certainly. Protesting in Crawford ain't gonna do it though. All that does is hurt our troops.
34 - MSG John
Oops, almost forgot, there are also a couple non-combat related fatalities including one suicide committed stateside.
35 - Shark
NOTE: our esteemed, loving, Christian, highly moral and ethical Mark Edward Manning has Photoshop'ed the above photo to make a wimpy, peace-loving liberal hippy look more "effiminate" by placing the head on the body of a female with small but protruding breasts.
--- Which I believe says a lot more about Manning than he would like -- and once again demonstrates that THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO SHAME.
36 - MSG John
Oh and look, a couple killed in Afghanistan--definitely not part of Iraq, the conflict in question. Oh and hey, there is a car accident stateside...
37 - Shark
MSG JOHN: "Please note that several of the deceased in the above list are listed more than once and that many of the relatives are not mothers or even fathers of the deceased."
Thanks, John. I guess that like Sheehan -- brothers, sisters, and other close relatives don't count when it comes time to tally up the "anti-war movement".
Feh.
Please note your attempt to avoid talking about what a disaster IRAQ is.
Please note your refusal to discuss criteria for American withdrawal.
Please note your avoidance of discussing what will constitute a "victory" in the "war" in Iraq.
Please note your denial that Bush took America into a war of choice based on false and/or misleading evidence.
38 - Dave Nalle
>>Please note that several of the deceased in the above list are listed more than once and that many of the relatives are not mothers or even fathers of the deceased. <<
You forgot to mention that he lists Pat Sheehan, who has totally distanced himself from his soon to be ex-wife's protest. And of course if you count all those objecting parents up they're still less than 2% of the total.
Dave
39 - MSG John
"Thanks, John. I guess that like Sheehan -- brothers, sisters, and other close relatives don't count when it comes time to tally up the "anti-war movement"." - Shark
Consider that your list was in response to "Isn't it weird that out of all the 1,700 MOTHERS who lost a son or daughter in IRAQ that only one would come out and complain about Bush."
"Please note your attempt to avoid talking about what a disaster IRAQ is.
Please note your refusal to discuss criteria for American withdrawal.
Please note your avoidance of discussing what will constitute a "victory" in the "war" in Iraq.
Please note your denial that Bush took America into a war of choice based on false and/or misleading evidence."
Please note that none of those things were the subject of discussion.
40 - Anthony Grande
Comment 32, fine 29 parents out of 1,700 are against Bush. Where are the other 1,679.
But I think comment 32 should be diregarded and edited out. There is too many mistakes, like Pat Sheehan never spoke out against Bush and the majority of those weren't even parents. Also there is no telling how many of those names are made up.
41 - Joe
That pic wasn't 'shopped, that dude needs an mansierre!
42 - MSG John
"That pic wasn't 'shopped, that dude needs an mansierre!"
That dude probably smoked way too much pot and hasn't done any push-ups since grade school.
43 - Dave Nalle
>>But I think comment 32 should be diregarded and edited out. There is too many mistakes, like Pat Sheehan never spoke out against Bush and the majority of those weren't even parents. Also there is no telling how many of those names are made up.<<
Anthony, your denseness never ceases to amaze me.
Dave
44 - Marc
billy:
And who in this thread previous to this comment said or implied anything remotely related to one nutcase and his pickup truck?Shark: That's a fairly small list compared to over 1800 casualties. Then there is this which MSG John also noted.Considering this thread isn't about the topics you berate someone for not answering what's your point? Other than throwing stones I mean. There are hundreds of threads here that speak to those topics, go there I feel relatively certain someone will be more than willing to shoot down most if not all your leftist talking points.
45 - Marc
Shark considering you like polls here is one that actually relates to the subject at hand. Not one about Bush's current support.
Just so we are clear as a bell for even for the most thick headed among us, the poll shows very little support for Sheehan. And one of the moonbat, anti American organizations that DOES SUPPORT her don't give a damn who you are. They are only interested in putting on a show for the cameras and will prop up anything or anyone to show "support" for "poor little Cindy.""Among those with family members who have served in the military, Sheehan is viewed favorably by 31% and unfavorably by 48%." the study said."
And that is opposed to the people that DO SUPPORT Sheehan, Moveon.org as Reported by Dana Milbank of the left leaning Washington Post.
To use Sharks over used expression:
Feh!!!!
46 - John
Not bad. Only a 7 point spread. I can hardly wait for the next poll results, as more and more folks hear about how the democracy George said we were fighting for in Iraq is now going to become an Islamic state sucking up to Iran.
47 - Margaret Romao Toigo
Marc, the poll to which you linked does indeed show very little support for Mrs. Sheehan among those with family members who have served in the military.
However, those numbers are different among the general population in which Mrs. Sheehan is viewed favorably by 35% of Americans and unfavorably by 38%.
Rasmussen Reports also broke down the poll numbers according to gender, partisan affiliations and whether or not poll participants think the US should withdraw from Iraq:
But that poll only deals with the public's attitudes toward Mrs. Sheehan, not the war itself.
If you want poll numbers about the national sentiment with regard to Iraq, here's a few highlights (follow the link for many many more):
8/5-7/05 54% said we made a mistake, 44% said we did not and 2% were unsure.
7/22-24/05 46% said we made a mistake, 53% said we did not and 1% were unsure.
6/24-26/05 53% said we made a mistake, 46% said we did not and 1% were unsure.
4/29 - 5/1/05 49% said we made a mistake, 48% said we did not and 3% were unsure.
Compare these answers to the same poll from 2005 to those from 2003:
11/3-5/03 39% said we made a mistake, 60% said we did not and 1% were unsure.
10/6-8/03 40% said we made a mistake, 59% said we did not and 1% were unsure.
7/7-9/03 27% said we made a mistake, 72% said we did not and 1% were unsure.
3/24-25/03 23% said we made a mistake, 75% said we did not and 2% were unsure.
There is a definite trend here and it does not appear to be relevant to Mrs. Sheehan's vigil/protest or any other anti-war demonstrations/activities.
The point here is that the national sentiment with regard to the war in Iraq has changed because of the progress of the war itself, not because of anti-war activism/protesting.
FWIW, I was against the war from the very beginning, viewing it as a waste of resources that could have been better spent elsewhere (capturing Osama bin Laden, finishing up in Afghanistan and securing the many still-insecure places here in the homeland), but I am not in favor of pulling out of Iraq right now.
I am in complete agreement with the President about "staying the course," because we must finish what we started and not leave the Iraqi people (most of whom sincerely want to rebuild their country now that it needs rebuilding) in a state of chaos that will likely turn into a civil war that could potentially lead to the rise to power of a tyrant as evil as Saddam Hussein.
48 - billy
face it marc you are in a shrinking minority, as margaret has pointed out. we are all around and we dont like bush, we dont like the war and we dont like your radical theories you are putting forward. if you believe in the war take the ribbon bumper sticker off your car and sign up like paul hackett and stop preaching war when you are a coward.
49 - Dave Nalle
>>However, those numbers are different among the general population in which Mrs. Sheehan is viewed favorably by 35% of Americans and unfavorably by 38%.<<
So even among the general population she's viewed more negatively than positively. That does at least a little to renew my belief in the good sense of the people.
>>face it marc you are in a shrinking minority<<
I'm sure the left-wing lynch mobs will be coming for him soon. Thank god we live in a republic and not a mobocracy.
BTW, great comments, Marc.
Dave
50 - Margaret Romao Toigo
The irony of the Cindy Sheehan controversy is that her vigil/protest hasn't made one iota of a difference in the American peoples' attitude toward the war in Iraq (that seems to have come about because of the progress of the war itself), while people on both sides of the issue keep speaking/behaving as if she has had a significant impact.
I will not contemplate whether Mrs. Sheehan herself is a cynical opportunist or a mother expressing sincere grief over the loss of her son, but the motives of the anti-war groups that are exploiting her vigil/protest are quite obvious.
Meanwhile, those people and groups who are demonizing Mrs. Sheehan are not winning many friends or influencing many people because such efforts are mostly perceived as mean-spirited attacks against a grieving mother.
A better strategy would be to speak out against the groups who are using Mrs. Sheehan to promote their own agendas, which is likely the reasoning behind the poll numbers that show 35%/38% of Americans are favorable/unfavorable toward her.
Nonetheless, the national sentiment with regard to the war in Iraq is still going to be dependent upon the progress of the war rather than any sort of activism here at home and Mr. Bush will not be calling any troops home until the mission over there has actually been accomplished.
Of course, if we're still over there by November of '08, all bets will be off.