Biden and Palin debate at Wash U with Gwen Ifill moderating the next great meme: truth.
Gov. Sarah Palin stunned the media world and working Americans with her Katie Couric interview. We were wizened with her nuggets of wisdom. Since her debut she has tried repeatedly to convince the American people or maybe just John McCain that she is VP material: “You can’t blink ... I am willing, ready and able to serve as his running mate.” But was she convincing in Thursday night's debate with Senator Joseph Biden? Did she do what she had to do — save face?…
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76 - zingzing
well, yeah, the second part certainly. but palin is no feminist, no matter if ms. mandel says so or not. she uses feminism for her own religious/political nonsense. what feminist organization is she a part of again? oh yeah, the anti-abortion one. that's real feminism right there.
not saying all feminists need to be pro-choice, but jeez-louise. or whatever she would say.
rape and incest, clavos! RAPE! and INCEST!
FOR FUCK'S SAKE, WAKE UP, THIS WOMAN IS A FUCKING NUT.
77 - Clavos
C'mon, zing, you're a good critical thinker.
That one issue doesn't by itself define what is or is not a feminist.
Palin says she's pro equal opportunity, pro equal pay she's even in favor of women having the vote!! :>)
Here's the vid of Mansel's speech.
78 - zingzing
ok, ok. it doesn't make or break a feminist. but, her membership in that feminist organization and no other does make you think that it might just be politically motivated. she's a feminist when she can agree with the particular brand of feminism (and when it gets her some psycho-christian votes, purely for its anti-abortion facet).
and who isn't against equal opportunity and equal pay? misogynists? come on.
besides, if that woman didn't support her, there'd be a special place in hell, etc, etc.
79 - Franco
#72 " Cindy D
Keating Economics
DEVASTATING! McCain is Dead!
How old are you?
On April 9, 1987, McCain and the other senators attended a meeting with federal regulators investigating Keating. McCain has since said he regrets doing so. "He asked me to help him,I said I wouldn't do certain things. He called me a wimp. I threw him out of my office."
McCain testified that he never asked for anything inappropriate during the meeting, and the Senate ethics committee found that, after regulators said the firm was being investigated not just for insolvency, but on criminal grounds, McCain took no further action on Keating's behalf. In the end, the committee recommended McCain and Sen. John Glenn be dropped from the probe
McCain was cleared of wrongdoing in the "Keating Five" case.
Those are the facts, and they are indisputable.
Now since McCain has fully and openly talked all about this and been fully cleared, lets get back to the questions at hand.
Obama will not talk about his relationship with Bill Ayers. Obama and his campain are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to distance themselves from Obama/Ayers working relstionship. Why?
It is a fair question given the mounting evidence that Obama lied to all of us about this.
Now his campain is running a dead story about the "Keating Five".
That is going to back fire on them like a Weathermen pipe bomb. How stupid can they be?
New details now in evidence from the archives of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) reveal that Barack Obama and unrepentant Weathermen William "Bill" Ayers were “partners” in a radical education program that poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists” with “no evidence of educational improvement which their grant was predicated on.
The extremist education program on which they collaborated lined the pockets of community organizers including $487,000 to Michael Klonsky founder of SDS in the 60's with Bill Ayers, and now a Chicago educator and political activist leader of the New Communist Movement. Klonshy runs special school and community workshops that were funded by CAC when Obama was running it.
Last April, Sen. Obama dismissed Mr. Ayers as just ‘a guy who lives in my neighborhood,’ and ‘not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis.’ Yet documents in the CAC archives make clear that Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama were partners in the CAC.
The CAC's basic functioning has long been known, because its annual reports, evaluations and some board minutes were public. But the Daley archive contains additional board minutes, the Collaborative minutes, and documentation on the groups that CAC funded and rejected. The Daley archives show that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda…
The CAC's agenda flowed from Mr. Ayers's educational philosophy, which called for infusing students and their parents with a radical political commitment, like that of Michael Klonsky special workshops based on his New Communist Movementand which downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism.
CAC translated Mr. Ayers's radicalism into practice. Instead of funding schools directly, it required schools to affiliate with ‘external partners,’ which actually got the money,
Proposals from groups focused on math/science achievement were turned down. Instead CAC disbursed money through various far-left community organizers, such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or Acorn).
Mr. Obama once conducted ‘leadership training’ seminars with Acorn, and Acorn members also served as volunteers in Mr. Obama's early campaigns. External partners like the South Shore African Village Collaborative and the Dual Language Exchange focused more on political consciousness, Afrocentricity and bilingualism than traditional education. CAC's in-house evaluators comprehensively studied the effects of its grants on the test scores of Chicago public-school students. They found no evidence of educational improvement.
CAC resulted in nothing but failure for Chicago families and schoolchildren. Are these really the people we want to see setting education policy for the next four years?
Cindy, those are the indisputable facts!
What the hell is going on Mr. Obama? We Americans would clearly like to know.
Your campain websites says "Trust Me".
OK tells us about all of the above if you want our trust, seeing as you are calling for and increase for grants to charter schools programs like CAC!
80 - pleasexcusetheinterruption
So who are Obama's radical associates again?
I mean give me a break people. He's toed the party line this whole time and will continue to do so as President. He and the democratic party fully endorse capitalism. Nothing radical there. Bill Ayers on the other hand..
When we get right down to it, Dave doesn't want his taxes raised by Obama so that people making less than 250k a year can have a tax cut.
81 - zingzing
palin associates with witch doctors. therefore, she is a witch. or burns witches. or something.
is that logical, franco?
82 - DaveNalle
When we get right down to it, Dave doesn't want his taxes raised by Obama so that people making less than 250k a year can have a tax cut.
PETI, my family income is substantially less than $250K a year. I just don't for a minute believe that Obama won't raise taxes on just about everybody who earned more than the median income. He may raise my taxes less than he does for those in the highest bracket, but there will be more brackets and the ultimate goal will be income equalization.
I also don't see him cutting the corporate tax rate, which I believe is the single most important thing the government can do to revitalize the economy and create jobs.
We are currently the second most taxed nation in the world. Any increase in taxes will kill us economically and doom us when it comes to international competitiveness.
Dave
83 - Ruvy
DD,
The number of Arabs supporting Obama is dwarfed by the number of non-Arabs supporting him. Nice red herring, man.
That's not the red herring, it's the whole damned fish!
Obana is surrounded by anti-Israel types who want to use American troops to impose a military solution here - one that makes me and 200,000 people like me homeless in our own country. So most Israeli are very nervous about this slick bastard.
The picture of Obama that emerges is this:
1. He is a disciple of a serious revolutionary who believes in infiltrating society to overturn it (Alinsky).
2. He hangs with former, but unrepentant terrorists (amateurs, but they still managed some damage) like Dohrn and Ayers.
3. His is bankrolled by Pakistanis, Arabs and has an Iranian for a chief advisor.
4. He lies to AIPAC about a "united Jerusalem" and the fools buy it (American Jews used to have brains - this generation is a pack of stupid self-satisfied cows).
5. He does not want to release where a lot of his money is coming from.
Most Israelis see this and see disaster. And they are right! So they oppose Obama. I see it and see an opportunity - to overthrow the American puppets in Jerusalem. I'm also a revolutionary. So I support Obama.
But this slick "community organizer" will deliver America into the hands of foreigners for real.
No shit, Sherlock.
84 - Lisa Solod Warren
I believe the pronouncement on McCain re Keating was that he used "poor judgment." He seems to get that a lot. Do we really want a president who uses poor judgment?
When Bill Ayers was in the Weathermen, Obama was 8 years old. He was then on a board with him. He has disclosed his association with him ad nausem. Read the NYT which Palin clearly did NOT finish reading (poor attention span?). McCain bringing this up is last minute mudslinging, old news, and not pertinent.
It's the global economy, stupid. It's people, stupid, and their lives, stupid, and the wars, stupid, and the world in general, stupid, and who has the best temperament and judgment to lead.....
McCain has denounced negative ads and negative campaigns time and time again yet continues to pull them out in desperation. He's losing the election, losing his marbles, and trying anything he can.
85 - troll
...spurred on by Franco and having spent the night studying the history and particulars of of as many weather people as I could locate information on and reviewing different definitions of terrorism/terrorist I'm forced to conclude that Hoover was right
as I cannot bear the shame I shall now expiate my weak argument through the ritual of seppuku
86 - Cindy D
how about sudoku instead. really hard ones.
87 - Heloise
GOP's "Drill Baby Drill" not going down on Mean street or Drill Baby Drill meets "Not in my back yard"
Heloise lives in THE most conservative county in the country. And that means every other white person is a republican who voted for Bush and plan to vote for McCain, even if HE kills them or keels over, but that aside, we have a conundrum here in that just down the street from me some nice white conservative folks literally don't want to hear the sound of "drill baby drill" as the drills start to make that sound drilling for natural gas.
I got panned when I talked about natural gas cars on Kos because I guess they thought I had a share in natural gas. Well, guess what they're right. We do stand to make royalties here once the drilling begins.
But isn't money the root of the evil GOP? Hmmm, guess not, they not hearing "drill baby drill" because Chesapeake has had to jump through much hoops to get their nearby drill going close to expensive homes and perky little white kids.
Heloise
Below is a quote about what he wants to do in California and they see again' it too.
"T. Boone Pickens could gain from his energy plan, but so might we
David Lazarus, Consumer Confidential
July 9, 2008
When a guy heavily invested in natural gas and wind power says the answer to our energy woes is natural gas and wind power, it's hard not to smirk at his Texas-size gumption.
But let's not be hasty.
Energy tycoon T. Boone Pickens unveiled a plan Tuesday to wean the United States from its dependence on foreign oil. By shifting to natural gas as a transportation fuel and increasing our reliance on wind power, he said, we could cut oil imports by as much as 38%.
"Our dependence on imported oil is killing our economy," Pickens said in a statement. "It is the single biggest problem facing America today."
He called the country's oil purchases from places like Saudi Arabia "the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind, sending billions of our dollars overseas to buy . . . a commodity that lasts 90 days until burned in our gas tanks."
Pickens, a legendary oilman, said his plan could change things within five to 10 years "if we can get Congress and the administration to act quickly."
That's a big if. Another big if is getting the auto industry to play ball by manufacturing more vehicles that run on natural gas instead of gasoline. And yet another wild card is whether the oil industry would support new energy priorities.
"These are big question marks," said Dan Becker, director of the Safe Climate Campaign and former head of the Sierra Club's global warming program. "There are a lot of things out of Mr. Pickens' control.""
88 - Cindy D
RE# 79
Franco,
"radical, radical, radical education activists, radical education program, extremist, lined the pockets of, extremist education program, etc"
What was so radical or extremist about the education program?
Tossing around adjectives like that gives an impression one has said something without actually having said anything.
My own ideas about education would, I have little doubt, be considered radical and extremist. Of course so would anyone's who would actually encourage children to think instead of prepare for penciling in marks on a test.
I do know the Annenberg Foundation though (you know the ones who funded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge). They give out grants for media programs on PBS. How radical!
89 - Cindy D
P.S. Franco,
Just like it doesn't really matter that Obama isn't hanging out with terrorists, it doesn't really matter if McCain was cleared of wrongdoing.
As McCain has decided his campaign will be a smearfest, Obama now is forced to fight back with the same tactics. Remember Kerry and the swiftboating from Bush--he made the mistake of ignoring it.
As McCain understands, it doesn't matter if you did it or not. It doesn't matter if you're innocent. It's the impression you leave.
The video is damning in the impression it leaves. Did you watch it?
Keating Economics
90 - Clavos
The Annenberg Foundation, founded and funded by conservative Republican, Walter Annenberg, lost control of the CAC when it funded Ayers. One of the CAC's acknowledged goals, is the radicalization of inner city school kids.
What irony.
And what a travesty.
91 - Dr Dreadful
When Bill Ayers was in the Weathermen, Obama was 8 years old.
That doesn't matter, Lisa. Anyone with even a slightly shady past who's ever been in the same room as Obama is now an 'associate'. I hear that Obama's mother's midwife once assisted in a backstreet abortion back when they were illegal, which of course makes Obama a baby murderer.
92 - Clavos
That's how rumors get blown out of proportion on the Internet, Doc.
I give it three days until it's on FNC.
93 - Dr Dreadful
Well hopefully my little reductio ad absurdum will remain a storm in a virtual teacup, Clav.
But the worldwide nature of the internet means whatever you write will get taken seriously by somebody. More likely if it's an article and not a mere comment - as I found out when I penned a tongue-in-cheek Ron Paul [crosses self, resists temptation to link to said screed] article a few months back.
94 - DaveNalle
When Bill Ayers was in the Weathermen, Obama was 8 years old. He was then on a board with him.
He was actually on two boards with him and Ayers hosted one of his first political fundraisers at his house. That's just a bit closer relationship than you suggest.
Dave
95 - Cindy D
RE #90
Clav,
Any chance I can get a reference.
"...lost control of the CAC when it funded Ayers..."
I'm not sure what that means. Ayers wrote the grant for the CAC. Annenberg gave the grant (about 50 million. The city matched it 2:1 (about 100 million).
I can see it now...the city of Chicago giving 100 million to a group that acknowledges the goal of "radicalizing" children. You know, the city of Chicago--the city that obviously "supports terrorism."
What is "radicalization" of children? What were they teaching them, to make bombs and blow things up?
Why doesn't anyone tell me what the hell was radical, extremist, etc?
96 - zingzing
oh, jesus. sarah palin worships with a witch doctor, mccain accepted endorsements from pastors that want to wage war on islam and the catholic church, obama hangs out with ex-radicals... i once sat next to a hooker and have had people huffing paint and whip-its in my bedroom... you, dave have been known to converse with socialists and once lived in a communist state...
funny how this shit comes up (again) when mccain has his back against the wall. and he doesn't even say it. he gets his little minion to do it for him. pathetic. pick a real issue.
97 - Clavos
Annenberg gave the grant...
A big mistake on the Foundation's part. They obviously didn't vet Ayers before turning him loose with Ambassador Annenberg's money.
What is "radicalization" of children? What were they teaching them, to make bombs and blow things up?
Here's just one citation, from an article titled "The Bomber as School Reformer," by Sol Stern and published in today's City Journal:
Sounds pretty radical to me.
Stern is not alone. Simply google Ayers' name and you'll find numerous references to his CAC activities that agree with Mr. Stern.
98 - Franco
#89 " Cindy D
Cindy, all we want is some answers from Obama. To date, he and his campain are trying to get as far away from it as they can. The more they try, the more people want to know why.
Here is more, I would like Obama to explain the following too.
In 1995, with Obama as chairman of Bill Ayers newly formed Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a school reform organization, CAC's first grant out of the box was to Michael Klonsky's Workshop for 175,000. The CAC provided another $482,662 to Klonsdy over the next few years.
Mike Klonsky was a former SDS comrade of Ayers and later helped found a maoist party in the United States, travelling to meet with Chinese leaders in 1977 for their endorsement of his effort here. Klonsky’s Small Schools Workshop received a total of $647.000 dollars from the CAC headed by Obama and Ayers.
In a book, "Revolution in the Air," author Max Elbaum, himself a former Maoist activist, recounts that in Beijing, Klonsky toasted the Chinese Stalinist leadership who, in turn, hailed the formation of his Communist Party group as "reflecting the aspirations of the proletariat and working people," effectively recognizing Klonsky's organization as the all-but-official U.S. Maoist party.
Michael Klonsky leader of the New Communist Movement.
Why is that kind of money going into special communit education programs through Mr. Obama at Chicago Annenberg Challenge, why did he authorize CAC funds to the New Communist Party to fund their special school work shops.
This is reasonable question. It's not a smear, all these facts came out of the CAC records stored at the UIE library.
99 - Cindy D
Sol Stern is a neocon who sees "radicals" under his bed. According to him the entire NYC school system is filled with radicals.
RADICAL TEACH
N.Y.C. SCHOOLS' NEW FAD
So, the CAC was promoting "teaching for social justice". I guess they were ahead of their time. Interesting, that is part of my pedagogy (which focuses on critical thinking and social justice). Students should learn to become active participants in their society. They should also be trusted with a factual accounting of events rather than cultural "incantations" which rather view the world like "Leave it to Beaver" by ignoring reality.
Here is a review of Stern's book: Breaking Free
Frequently Stern's objections to the horrors of progressive educational methods are more troubling. For example, Stern decries attempts to celebrate "Black History, Hispanic Heritage, Asian/Pacific Heritage, Women's History, Lesbian and Gay History - which nearly takes up the entire school calendar, leaving scant time for plain old American history." Presumably "plain old American history" need not include blacks, Hispanics, Asians, women, or gays.
100 - Cannonshop
"Critical thinking" and "Social Justice" are mutually exclusive terms, Cindy. The first relies on examining inputs based on their outcomes, honest data analysis, and skepticism.
The second relies on belief in a secular religion.
101 - Cindy D
Cannon,
Justice is a religion?
Hey look, businessdictionary.com has a fairly good definition of social justice:
Fair and proper administration of laws conforming to the natural law that all persons, irrespective of ethnic origin, gender, possessions, race, religion, etc., are to be treated equally and without prejudice. See also civil rights.
Holy shit! I guess that makes me some kind of "secular religious zealot".
What is wrong with this world? How did we decide that even justice is not valuable? Are we not social creatures anymore? Are we merely money-grabbing machines? So that nothing but aiding the making of money is worthwhile?
Note: For those of you who don't like the "ahistoric" phrase "natural law" just replace it with "reasonable proposition".
102 - Cindy D
Here's an example of part of a series of lesson plans on aging that I developed based on a social justice principal.
I feel that something we do in our society is to lock the elderly away from view in nursing homes, which are often hell holes of despair. Aging is taboo--we understand this from all of the TV commercials that tell us so.
The lesson plan includes trips to a local nursing home to read to the elderly. Dialogs are encouraged. Often, experiencing reality like this has a number of benefits:
1) The old people get some company.
2) The children get to hear the voices of their fellow society members directly.
3) Exposure to aging people may help to "normalize" the idea of aging and promote self-acceptance.
4) The children get to see a part of society whose voice has been shut off. That is they get to experience a part of reality they generally don't see.
5) Through reading children learn vocabulary and grammar. Incorporating reading as an activity is the best way to improve reading and writing skills.
Seeing exactly how social policies effect people in our society is something I believe we should be doing.
If what I believe is religious secularism then I am a proud heretic of the Church of Capitalism.
103 - Cindy D
Oh and don't forget all the subversive discussions can be gleaned out of such a radical method of teaching. The experience with the elderly could lead to other discussions.
For example: We could discuss critical thinking about TV commercials. Discussion of what advertising is might result in questioning what the goal of advertising is. Children might learn how to fact check about products and claims. Someone might get the idea that their body size/shape/age is okay, what if they had an idea like that as they grew up? What would that mean for Revlon's revenues?
Radical!
104 - Clavos
Actually, Cindy, I think the program you describe is excellent; props to you for teaching it and for your innovative methodology.
But radical it isn't. At least not in the sense of what Ayers taught through the CAC project.
105 - Cindy D
Okay Clav,
But I am still waiting for someone to tell me what Ayers taught through the CAC project.
Really, I can't find anything myself, at the moment. I'd like the "what" of what was the teaching, not someone else calling it radical. If you find anything, please let me know.
Perhaps the actual records might be available soon.
106 - Cannonshop
The other problem being that while I don't have a problem either with your program, Cindy, or with the book definition of "Social Justice", that's NOT what activists mean when they use the term.
irrespective of ethnic origin, gender, possessions, race, religion, etc., are to be treated equally and without prejudice.
Irrespective, as in colorblind, Cindy. Most of the time when the words "Social Justice" are USED, it's to advocate for special treatment for a pressure group, RESPECTIVE of ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, etc.
A JUST system recognizes all citizens as Citizens, not (pressuregroup)citizens.
107 - Cindy D
Oh, Clav, one more thing. I'm not a teacher yet. I've been taking classes for my retirement job in the next year. (Ft. Lauderdale here I come.)
108 - Cindy D
Cannon,
But I am an activist. Which activists are you referring to?
"colorblind": you mean ignoring reality?
109 - Cannonshop
"Colorblind"-as in weighing people by what they DO, not what they look like. it isn't likely to make you feel better about yourself, but applying ONE standard to everyone, regardless.
If a guy beats his wife, it doesn't matter that he's white, brown, green, or purple-polka-dots, he's a beater and a scumbag by definition of what he does. Druggie, murderer, petty thief, they're all the same regardless of who their daddy was or wasn't.
The same can be said of con-men, and while it's a bit of an idealistic view, Cindy, there are a great many con-men in Wall Street and D.C. who need to go to the same prisons we send the con-men from Trailerpark USA and Slumville.
To Be Justice, Justice must be blind and inconsiderate of background. weighting the scales based on who someone's daddy was makes as much sense as NOT prosecuting a drunk driver because his parents were alcoholics. deciding that some groups get treatment different because they are 'special' just perpetuates injustices in the system.
It's the equivalent of saying "Oh, it's okay, they're just Wogs, after all, they don't know any better."
THAT is indefensible.
110 - Cindy D
Cannon,
So you don't mean colorblind: ignoring that we may in fact favor some people or disfavor others based on ethnicity.
In that case, I don't have a problem with that.
111 - bliffle
Profound, really profound Cannon:
"A JUST system recognizes all citizens as Citizens, not (pressuregroup)citizens."
Victor Hugo expressed this best:
"The law, in all it's majesty, proclaims that rich man and poor man alike are prohibited from sleeping under bridges".
112 - Cindy D
Sweet Sarah Begins to Inspire The Ugly Americans
"...Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."
Sorry, those of you who didn't see her for the ignorant bitch she is.
113 - Heloise
People don't get Chicago. It is THE RADICAL city. You have what we called the "plantation politics" and Mayor Daily on one side and everyone must kow tow to the Daily Machine, no matter who you are if you want to win. We called it Mayor daily because he had been mayor for so many decades now followed by his son. But what I hate: that they have turned Chicago in a sanctuary city.
Growing up we NEVER saw a Mexican. No kidding. Didn't know they existed until I went to college in California.
Then there are the radical fronts that are born, bred and raised in Chicago. Must be something in the water. As a young teen I used to go to meetings with my aunt (my New Orleans family was intrumental in electing the first black mayor of NOLA, as I helped Harold W. get elected in Chicago) of something called the "Topographical society" could not find it on the Web because it is defunct.
What was the purpose of the TS? Simple, since black people (poor and middle class) all lived along the Dan (Damn) ryan on the SS of chicago, we felt a conspiracy afoot. Blacks believed that the tanks would one day swoop down on all black people and exterminate them because we/they were sitting ducks!
But guess what happened instead? Most of the projects along the Ryan have been imploded and black people were summarily moved out of beautiful Chicago to make way for you guessed it: flippers, and high-end real estate. They were booted to the poor ass burbs of further south Chicago. It was dramatic and traumatic. Chicago has become a haven for yuppies.
But why is Chicago so rad? Esteemed sociologists whose lectures I would attend, for fun, pointed out and documented that little ole Chicago was the MOST segregated city in the WHOLE world. He included the apartheid of south Africa. This was in the late 1980s.
The other thing I did for fun was following quantum physics. I used to go the U. Of Chicago and listen to the Nobel prize winners in physics. Never ran into Obama or Bill Ayers I must admit.
As for Chicago public schools, I NEVER attended CPS. We were afraid that they would do us bodily harm because we were so genteel and sheltered.
As a grown person, I moved away from Chicago so that my kids would not attend those schools because I did not have the funds for private school. Instead they went to the public schools in a small southern IL town.
Heloise
114 - Bro in Law
Heloise
Stop hating on Chicago. Admittedly it is still probably the most segregated city in the world, the housing for black folks near Downtown is still being razed to make way for yuppies, and Mayor Daley is still running things and working on bringing the Olympics here.
But I was born and raised here, attended public schools, worked in the public schools and sent my kids to public schools and we're still alive and kicking.
Love your analysis and comments on the election drama though.
115 - Heloise
Palin Alert: she is doing Saturday Night Live SNL for real this Saturday! She said she has not seen a script yet. Is she kidding? She and gramps don't need a script. Did you see him last night at the Smith dinner?
Like I said he and Sarah are both screams, living hysterical standups. And guess what Sarah (yes, Heloise to Sarah Palin) comedians make millions when they go on the road. So when Alaska kicks you to the curb you can dust yourself off and go on the road and make loads of money with Joe and Suzy six pack who want to see you.
I prefer black comedians.
Heloise
Thanks bro in law for your comment...I think. But I too grew up in Chicago.