The Massachusetts Governor should be a dream candidate for Republicans. But the Religious Right thinks differently.
Massachusetts Gov. W. Mitt Romney, mulling a 2008 run for president, should be a dream candidate for many in the Republican Party.…
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— go to most recent comments26 - Bob A. Booey
No one answered my question about the magic underwear.
No sex/cheating scandals here. If President Romney gets caught with another woman, he can just marry her.
That is all.
27 - Rodney Remington
No one answered you about magic underwear because it's a stupid question. Is the Jewish Yamaka a magic hat? Is the Catholic Priest's collar a magic collar? Is the Pope's hat Magical? Grow up.
28 - Bob A. Booey
I thought you were my friend, Rodney Remington.
I guess I was wrong ....
(Cue sad music)
I'll just be going home now, with my broken heart.
(Cue sad pouting lower lip, like Michelle from Full House)
Did I mention I had a miraculous set of skid marks once that looked like Joseph Smith? Even I grossed myself out with that joke just now. I would never have such poor hygiene, darlings, which is why I couldn't bear to wear magic underwear that had Masonic etchings or drawings inside it for good luck. I'd confuse them for an hygiene mishap.
The magic underwear thing is for real, though. Look it up on Google: "Mormon" and "magic underwear" or "Mormon" and "temple garments." Underwear's way, way different than hats worn during religious services. I wonder if they make magic thongs for the Mormon ladies to keep their husband (singular, not plural) happy or if they're stuck with unappealing, off-white to gray magic granny panties. Mormon girls are all blonde, too.
That is all.
29 - Silas Kain
No one answered my question about the magic underwear.
Not called magic underwear. It's an 'undergarment' that preserves the chastity of the individual. It keeps them pure for their marriage partner and keeps the forces of evil from hurting them. I kindda think a dude is cute in his sacred garment but I can't go down that road. If I admitted to anything he'd be excommunicated.
30 - Bob A. Booey
Silas is kinky. What about a big hairy bear like Senator Al Barger in the sacred garments, Silas?
Would that be hotter than a Madonna video or what, girlfriend? Would you be able to control youself?
That is all.
31 - Rodney Remington
You make quite a spokesman for the enemies of the Mormon church.
32 - Silas Kain
OMG, Sen Al Barger as a Mormon. That's like making Diane Feinstein a Roman Catholic. I like the idea of Al being the National Teddy Bear, though. He'd be an inspirational icon to so many communities. Unfortunately, BABs, I detest Madonna. She's too commercial. I'm more into Black Sabbath, jazz, and Jimmy Buffett. I am the antithesis of mainstream gay.
33 - Anthony Grande
No no no one will vote for a mormon to be our president. NO devote Christians will vote for one.
Read the last paragraph in the Bible, preferibly the Living Bible, it states:
"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book; if f anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away that person's share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book." -Revelation 22.21
This is the reason we will never have a Mormon president, because the Mormans have added to the bible. They added a whole chapter about John Smith and even added a whole other book: The Book of Morman.
34 - Silas Kain
Wrong, Anthony. The Book of Mormon is an additional Testament of Jesus Christ. It's a wonderful read and I suggest you check it out. Joseph Smith didn't add to the Bible. He complemented it. And insofar as adding to the Book is concerned, I urge you to research the books of the Bible and those that were removed by the Council of Nicea. Christianity changed the rules of the game hundreds of years ago. The Book that has been crafted for mass consumption in all probability is far from the intent of the original writers.
35 - Bob A. Booey
They are gay Parrotheads?
What would one call a gay Parrothead?
I tried to think of a clever, punny joke but I couldn't. That's so unlike me, but I don't know enough ornithology to think of a gay bird.
Silas is definitely a top if he likes Black Sabbath.
That is all.
36 - Silas Kain
Greatest rock song ever written was Iron Man followed by War Pigs. Fairies Wear Boots ain't all that bad either. BABs, I'm not a pop queer, I detest Streisand and think Judy Garland was overrated.
37 - Anthony Grande
Silas, I agree that the Mormans aren't adding to the bible, but the strong willed Christians disagree. I should know, my mother is one of the strong willed Christians who believes the Mormans are going to hell.
He wouldn't get a single Christian vote.
38 - Silas Kain
And maybe your Mom is right. And maybe there's no Hell. It's all about faith, Anthony. If we insignificant little humans had more faith in each other perhaps we would find that level of spirituality we are longing for.
39 - Jewels
My Mormon Tale: my parents, once avid RV'ers, who loved to travel out West, especially southern Utah and the desert areas, spent one whole winter out there a few years back. Something happened to them... Upon returning, they set up their house for sale; Dad gave up his lifelong appreciation for Jack Daniels, (oh the long chats we used to have solving all the world's problems while sipping our 'buddy' Jack...*sigh*) Well they've up and moved to Utah; joined the Church of LDS (so similar to LSD). Dad's now a high priest.
But to think of the two of them chasing each other around in magic underpants...I am irrevocably damaged.
40 - Silas Kain
I see a new Hanes commercial coming.
41 - Jewels
Or how about a children's book; "Junie B. Jones and the Magic Underpants"?
42 - Hunter Swift
i too believed certain falsalities about the "Mormon Church". I was raised christain, and thought Mormons were a cult, but now I know they are not. Here is why: http://hunterswift.8m.com
43 - Jon
I think that as more and more Mormons realize the feelings the people who they vote with have for them that more and more will start voting with the democrats, a party much more open to differing views and backgounds.
44 - count dookie
Uh, hate to tell you. Romney is extremely UNpopular in Mass. He wont be reelected gov. if he runs.
45 - Nancy
I did a lot of research on, and talking to, Mormons back when I was a kid. I would never, ever even vaguely consider voting for one, not because of the magic undies (I don't care what they wear) or that they think they're going to become gods (but just the men) when they die, but because (as pointed out by TD in #20, this particular cult, as with all cults, demands & requires an absolute, unquestioning obedience from all members in submission to whomever is the current "prophet" - which is precisely WHY it is considered a "cult" in the first place. Jim Jones had nothing on the president/prophet of the LDS church as far as requiring blind obedience from his followers. Even the Pope doesn't try this (altho I'm sure if Bennie the unpteenth thought he COULD, he would in a Vatican minute). This mindless submission & indoctrination is creepy, repulsive, and in the not-very-far-distant past has been positively murderous & insane. I know, because I almost got talked into it. Fortunately, I was able to escape, but it wasn't easy, once they thought they had their hooks into me. TD is right: the LDS relies on conversion/retention methodology far too similar to other cults & secret societies, such as Scientology. I wouldn't vote for a Scientologist, either, for that matter. Or Jim Jones, even if he were still alive.
46 - Nancy
Actually, I would only vote for someone reasonably secularist anyway, so which variety of religious persecution any candidate favors would be moot.
47 - Hunter Swift
(An editorial on Mormons from a Santa Clarita, CA newspaper)
>
>Editor:
>
>I have heard and seen enough! I have lived in the West all my life. I
>have
>worked around them. They have worked for me and I for them. When I was
>young, I dated their daughters. When I got married they came to my
>wedding.
>Now that I have daughters of my own, some of their boys have dated my
>daughters. I would be privileged if one of them were to be my
>son-in-law.
>
>I'm talking about the Mormons. They are some of the most honest,
>hard-working people I have ever known. They are spiritual, probably more
>than most other so-called religious people I have encountered. They
>study
>the Bible and teach from it as much as any Christian church ever has.
>They
>serve their religion without pay in every conceivable capacity. Not one
>of
>their leaders, teachers, counselors, Bishops or music directors receive
>one
>dime for the hours of labor they put in. The Mormons have a non-paid
>ministry--a fact not generally known.
>
>I have heard many times from the pulpits of others how evil and
>non-Christian they are and that they will not go to heaven. I decided
>recently to attend one of their services near my home to see for myself.
>What a surprise! What I heard and saw was just the opposite from what
>the
>religious ministers of the day were telling me. I found a very simple
>service with no fanfare. I found a people with a great sense of humor
>and
>a
>well-balanced spiritual side. There was no loud music. Just a simple
>service, with the members themselves giving the several short-sermons.
>They
>urge their youth to be morally clean and live a good life. They teach
>the
>gospel of Christ, as they understand it. The name of their church is
>"The
>Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." Does that sound like a
>non-Christian church to you? I asked them many questions about what
>they
>teach and why. I got answers that in most cases were from the New
>Testament.
>Their ideas and doctrines did not seem too far fetched for my
>understanding.
>When I read their "Book of Mormon" I was also very surprised to find
>just
>the opposite from what I had been told I would find.
>
>Then I went to another church's pastor to ask him some of the same
>questions
>about doctrine. To my surprise, when he found out that I was in some way
>investigating the Mormons, he became hostile. He referred to them as a
>non-Christian cult. I received what sounded to me like evil propaganda
>against those people. He stated bluntly that they were not Christian and
>that they did not fit into the Christian mold. He also told me that they
>don't really believe the Bible. He gave me a pile of anti-Mormon
>literature.
>He began to rant that the Mormons were not telling me the truth about
>what
>they stand for. He didn't want to hear anything good about them. At
>first
>I
>was surprised and then again, I wasn't. I began to wonder. I have never
>known of a cult that supports the Boy Scouts of America. According to
>the
>Boy Scouts, over a third of all the Boy Scout troops in the United
>States
>are Mormon. What cult do you know of that has a welfare system second to
>none in this country? They have farms, canneries and cattle ranches to
>help
>take care of the unfortunate ones who might be down and out and in need
>of
>a
>little help. The Mormon Church has donated millions to welfare causes
>around
>the world without a word of credit. They have donated thousands to help
>re-build Baptist churches that were burned a few years ago. They have
>donated tons of medical supplies to countries ravaged by earthquakes.
>You
>never see them on TV begging for money. What cult do you know of that
>instills in its members to obey the law, pay their taxes, serve in the
>military if asked and be a good Christian by living high moral
>standards?
>
>Did you know that hundreds of thousands Mormon youth get up before high
>school starts in the morning to attend a religious training class? They
>have
>basketball and softball leagues and supervised youth dances every month.
>They are recruited by the FBI, the State Department and every police
>department in the country, because they are trustworthy. They are taught
>not
>to drink nor take drugs. They are in the Secret Service - those who
>protect
>the President. They serve in high leadership positions from both parties
>in
>Congress and in the U.S. Senate, and have been governors of several
>states
>other than Utah. They serve with distinction and honor. If you have
>Mormons
>living near, you will probably find them to be your best friends and
>neighbors. They are Christians who try to live what they preach. They
>are
>not perfect and they are the first to admit this. I have known some of
>them
>who could not live their religion, just like many of us. The rhetoric
>which
>is spread around against them is nothing more than evil propaganda
>founded
>in untruths. (Others) had successfully demonized them to the point that
>the
>general public has no idea what they actually believe and teach. If you
>really want to know the truth, go see for yourself. You, also, will be
>surprised.
>
>When I first moved here some 25 years ago there were five Mormon wards
>in
>Santa Clarita. Now there are 15. They must be doing something right.
>
>Paul Allen
>Santa Clarita, California
48 - Tstrike
"Developed through isolation in Utah's frontier?" Mormon Doctrine was fully developed years before Utah came into the picture. And followers of Mormonism must declare nothing, if they don't wish to. As a convert to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I have never been commanded to blind obedience; the admonition most given to me by church leaders has been to "pray about it."
As for Revelation 22:18, try Deuteronomy 4:2, or Proverbs 30:5-6. That would make for a shorter Bible, no? Or we could just remember that the Bible as we know it, even the Living Bible, was collected and organized by the leaders of what was about to become the Catholic church hundreds of years after the original twelve apostles were dead. That means that the Catholics have the line of succession from Christ through Peter, just like they say, and the Southern Baptist "cult" is SOL for rejecting the truth. Or, when God and His Son appeared to Joseph Smith and told him that ALL the churches were wrong and had no authority and set him to the work of restoring Christ's church, the Latter-day Saints picked up the "torch of truth"-- and the Southern Baptists are still SOL. As far as Mitt and the presidency, I wish him luck, and I hope that he's able to wade through the muck of national politics without compromising his commitment to the truth, which looks to me like a tougher chore than getting elected for one in the same party as Tom Delay and Carl Rove.
49 - imthenats
Hey whatsup Hunter Swift, this is your friend PK.
I am a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ.
I don't think we should be hostile to Gays and Lesbians. I do beleive, however that It is wrong for a man or a woman to be homosexual. To me it is just plain wrong and not of God.
I don't yet know the truth of all things, but at times I have felt strongly that I am in the right place.
The thing is, I don't know the truth yet, I have been a Mormon all my life, but my friend Hunter Swift knows.
50 - P. Phillips
I think a lot of you morons concerned with "magic underwear" and the like need to learn to cope with the fact that anyone who's been associated with a Mormon friend or coworker sees them as more "Christian" than most self proclaimed Christians are. Mormons are one of the only Christian religions left out there that actually live their religion.
Some of you might say, "I don't know any Mormons." Well, you'll find them in perhaps some surprising places. Consider these well known Mormons.
J. Willard Marriott, founder of Marriott Hotels
Nolan Archibald, CEO Black & Decker
Steven R. Covey, Chairman of Franklin Covey
David Neelman, CEO Jet Blue Airlines
Kevin Rollins, CEO Dell Computer Corporation
Sports greats: Steve Young, "Jack" Dempsey, Roy Halladay, Wally Joyner, Dale Murphy, Ryne Sandberg, Robin Yount...just to name a few.
Even Madison Square Gardens is run by a Mormon (Dave Checketts).
So maybe Mormons aren't so scary after all eh?
51 - Nancy
What is scarey is the history of the behavior of the LDS leadership, from the inception, beginning with Smith. In it's short history, the organization has been implicated (and several times convicted on impartial evidence) of complicity in murder, theft, fraud, and any number of other crimes. Furthermore, the leadership demands unquestioning obedience from all subordinate members, and is accountable to no one. The reigning 'prophet', whoever he is (and Mormon creed forbids it ever being a woman, since women are merely considered as breeding animals - physical or spiritual - for men, both here on earth and when they become 'gods' in their own universes) and his 2 fellows in the ruling triumvirate of the LDS church are completely, utterly unaccountable, either to the membership or to any other bodies of oversight. Technically, within the church (and within the state of Utah, if not elsewhere as well), that means they exercise absolute power. And we are all well aware of the sayings about absolute power.
Hence, yes: Mormonism is creepy, and Mormons are scarey. Reading material written by Mormons just makes it more so. Kind of like reading Jim Jones.
52 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
I can't say anything about the Mormons per se and won't. But I got awful curious about the comments referring to "magic underwear".
I read through the comments to get an idea of what this "magic underwear" was.
Apparently, the Mormons have instituted a priesthood with sacred clothing. The "magic underwear" are the undergarments desidgned to provide ritual purity to the Mormon priesthood.
Looking at the comments about "magic underwear" made me understand how our Kohaním will be viewed by ignorant outsiders and non-Jews once the priesthood is re-established here.
53 - Nancy
One could make a case that the "magic underwear" is actually inspired by the Jewish 4-cornered garment w/tassels (tzitzit?), altho the LDS version is covered w/various arcana symbols, especially Masonically-derived ones. If you go to ebay, I've seen them on sale there, if you're interested in seeing what they look like.
54 - Maurice
Mormons give 10% of their gross earnings to their church.
That is scary. Especially considering the money involved would be larger than state governments tax revenue.
Example: Utah income tax rate = 7% (highest bracket)
I live in Idaho where we also have a large percentage of mormons. Our top bracket is 7.8%
55 - Nancy
The LDS church controls huge assets - it's estimated even more/larger than the RC church, but of course it's all secret. Actually, from what I've been told, a lot of them give more than 10% - 10% in the "suggested minimum" - and frequently there are "special collections" taken by order of Salt Lake City High Command (usually there is no reason given - just a stated 'goal' for each stake/parish), but seldom is the rank & file ever told what it's for, or if a reason is given, it's vague (like "missionary support", which is specious, since Mormon missionaries are expected to pay their own way). I do state that this is what I've been told recently by active Mormons. AND in addition, each family is expected to stockpile a year's worth of food & emergency supplies; so they put out quite a bit of their income to the LDS church.
I personally wouldn't give a nickel to anyone who was unaccountable for the money, except the US government, & them only because I haven't figured out a way to avoid it without going to jail.
56 - Nancy
Anyway, back to the issue: yeah, I don't think Romney is viable, but that's only part of the reason. As noted in the article, he's a very cold fish even if he is capable, and Gore tanked for the same reason: not Mr. Personality.
57 - Mark Bell
Ok, first off 10% is supposed to be the minimum and the maximum of the tithe people are asked, actually challenged (Malachi 3:8-12) to give. If you don't give the tithe as challenged or however you want to put it that is the individuals choice to make. The LDS church is all about choices and personal accountability. If one doesn't give the 10% asked he forfeits the blessings mentioned in the scripture reference. There are other blessings that are associated with tithing because it is a worthiness thing (but that would take a while to discuss) But basically thats all that happens.
If someone wants to know where that 10% goes it's quite simple. It goes to provide power, land, etc. to build churches. There is no paid ministry in the church, all the money that goes into the church goes into building and maintaining buildings.
As for the special drives for "missionary support" amongst other things mentioned, let me be frank that doesn't happen. There's forms that people can donate to if they choose to donate to the missionary department or humanitarian aid or a number of other categories. None of this is mandatory.
The missionary department itself does more than just send young men and women out into the world. It also pays for the commercials for different video's, books, etc. on TV. All of that is paid for by missionary funds. The missionaries themselves do pay to be out there as best they can, but there are those who are willing to serve but cannot afford to. In that case the church steps in to help with those funds after all the perspective missionary can do to pay for it himself. There's also a matter of transportation, housing, and more to be taken care of for the young men and women who are out there. All of that is paid for and where lacking supplemented by the missionary fund.
If you want some more reading or would like to know what the mormons really believe my advice ask a mormon! Here are a few websites I'd suggest taking a look at afterwards I'll comment on Romney for president.
www.mormon.org (take a look around you'll figure it out)
http://www.lds-mormon.com/time.shtml (this is a link to the TIME magazine article about the LDS church which you may be interested in. If you want to find it you can check TIME yourself the article is cited on the page)
Ok now that I can get off my soapbox... *steps down* Alright as for being president I don't believe Romney will be elected. But I do believe he'd make a great vice president. The problem is what's been expressed in the board here, too many people have no idea what the mormons are really like and believe. That will hurt him unfortunately, but if he does get elected vice president people will see that Romney doesn't have the capability to use "mormon" powers to take over the country and turn people into slaves or whatever. Maybe some more time in the limelight will prove he doesn't have horns and a tail or whatever. In office as vice president if he distinguishes himself there's a very good chance that the people will change their views and then maybe in 2012 he can run succesfully for president. Just a thought.
58 - Nancy
I DID ask a Mormon. Several Mormons, in fact, as well as reading quite a bit of material BY Mormons ABOUT Mormons & the LDS church. As you say, it's a "choice", but if you make a choice not in accord with the church, you're also gonna suffer the consequences, which as I have been told BY Mormons, are a little more drastic than just "losing blessings". Like, say, being pressured to put out the $$ anyway, ostracized in church & out of it, etc. As the saying goes, there are WAYS to get your attention if you don't tithe & cough up whatever other sums are demanded of you. This is according to people who are lifelong Mormons. They aren't ex-Mormons. One is a local Stake president.
A lot of Mormons aren't aware of some of the less apple-pie-&-mom practices of the LDS church, either in history or current workings. Some of it is only vouchsafed to those who are "advanced", as the LDS church calls it. Some of it only has come out in the course of criminal investigations - like the Salamander murders in Utah - or other scandals. In any event, the LDS church & its inner workings (especially finances) has always been as secretive & arcane, if not more so, than the Vatican, which is saying something.
59 - Nancy
I just don't think Romney has the personality to make VP. He's smart, but he's got less personality than a wooden cigar store indian (or Al Gore, which is saying something), and the GOP is going to need someone with a helluva lot more charisma than Romney, LDS or no LDS.
60 - Lem
Nancy, I really hope you're just extremely misguided rather than intentionally sharing such blatant lies.
For the record, tything or any other donations made to the church are 100% confidential. Members have no way of knowing how much others choose to give (or not give).
61 - Simple Guy
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (frequently slanged Mormon by those outside the church).
I believe Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and offers himself as the Savior of the world.
This is the same Jesus Christ referred to in the Bible. His life and teachings most commonly read about in the New Testament.
I celebrate Christmas, out of reverence and respect for his birth. I believe he was born in a stable, by the virgin Mary.
I celebrate Easter, out of reverence for his resurrection. I believe he was crucified on the cross for the sins of the world, and rose again on the third day.
I believe Christ did many miraculous things throughout his life, including healing the sick, curing the blind, and raising the dead.
I recognize that it is only through Christ that a person can be saved, and no amount of good deeds or works can allow a person into heaven without him.
I strive to follow the teachings of Christ. To follow the life that he lived by showing charity and good will to my neighbors.
I love the Savior Jesus Christ.
It confuses me that any of my Christian brothers or sisters of other faiths would demean, belittle, or attmept to deny me my faith in Christ.
62 - MCH
So, Nancy...I take it you don't believe you were ever one of Joseph Smith's 51 wives in a former life?
And speaking of scary, Google the Mountain Meadows Massacre sometime...
63 - LPJ in Texas
Ruvy in Jerusalem. You may want to talk to a Rabbi on the subject of the temple garments. The mormons do not use the Aaronic Priesthood garments that were used by the Levites. Instead, they have restored and use the Melchizidek Priesthood garments. You're Rabbi, if he is knowledgeable on this topic, will be able to explain the difference, including the difference in the markings.
64 - Steve
OK, Simple Guy, just to see if I'm on the same page here, would it be fair to say that you don't believe Jesus was 'God in the flesh'???
65 - David
That would be correct Steve, members of the LDS church belive God, Jesus are seperate. Jesus was the son of god.
66 - Steve
OK, Dave, thought so. Do they also believe Jesus is Satan's brother???
67 - David
Steve, We beleve that Jesus is the son of God. And that Satan is a fallen angle. We also belive that God almight created all things including angles. So my I ask if you belive that Jesus and God almighty are the same?
68 - Nancy
I certainly believe God created angles - angels, too. However, Mormonism remains a 'scarey' religion, with highly controversial & unorthodox tenets of belief, like that all males in good standing will become Gods themselves, ruling over their own little universes the same way that God rules over this one, populated by infinite hordes of spirit-children they shall engender with an equally infinite horde of wives. Women, of course, can not aspire to Godhood, just to being the breeding animals for a formerly-human male God. This, and a few other equally showstopping pieces of dogma, are seldom revealed to rank & file Mormons, but only to those who are "advanced" - same as in the RC church where the more esoteric & strange dogmas are reserved for those in Opus Dei.
I would suggest anyone interested in the nuts & bolts of Mormon history & theology read Fawn Brodie's "No Man Knows My History". Herself a good Mormon from an old Mormon family, as well as a trained historian, she writes a very good, rock-solid narrative, warts & all, much to the displeasure of the LDS church leadership who had hoped to keep a lot of LDS church history swept conveniently under the rug.
And after reading her opus, I can really say, it's a scarey religion.
69 - Steve
David, are you saying that Jesus is not an angel, like Satan is (albeit a fallen one)??
I believe in the Trinity, David, that God is 3 persons in one essence, like the Bible teaches i.e. Father, Son & Holy Spirit. All 3 are God.
Re. Opus Dei, Nancy, I don't believe that the organisation with that name as depicted in "The Da Vinci Code" holds to all the same beliefs as the one in reality. Be careful with Brown's book, there is alot of misinformation in there.
70 - Nancy
I meant in referring to them, that just as in the LDS church, some of the more outrageous & esoteric teachings of the upper echelons that would be unacceptable to the rank & file are restricted to those who have proved their unquestioning ingestion of any dogma, no matter how outrageous. Opus Dei is also a scarey organization.
71 - David
Steve, you said "Father, Son & Holy Spirit. All 3 are God" The LDS beleave Father, Son & Holy Spirit. All 3 are Gods. One in porpoise but three seperate beings.
Matthew 3:12-17 says
[13] Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
[14] But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
[15] And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
[16] And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
[17] And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
I do not belive god, the holy ghost and jesus are talking to themselves. The Trinity was decided I think by council of Nicea by a bunch of men who belive the heavens were sealed and fought over weather 3=1. Before that time Jesus was concidered the god of this world but not God almighty.
I hope this give you a better understanding of my belives.
P.S. Sorry for the spelling.
72 - Steve
Okay, David. So where Christians would consider themselves theists (a belief in one God), you consider yourselves polytheists (a belief in more than one god), then, right?? So, on that point, you have more in common with, say, Hindus, than with Jews, Muslims or Christians?? Right??
73 - dot
Mormonism, so called, is Christianity.
74 - Betrayed
Magic Underwear? Creepy? Given enough time I could come up with a few more. Is it true? Oh YES it sure is! You asked if that person knew any Mormons? Well, My brother, who married a lovely woman, had a son... they bought a trailer and took a tour os the USA. When they got to UTAH, made the terrible mistake of signing the guest book on a tour of a temple or whatever they toured (couldn't have been a Temple, as only hallowed, special, perfect in all things, are allowed in there to take part in secret, unknown proceedings), in no time flat after they return home, a knock on their door and two 10 foot tall 95 pound soaking wet boys were there to have them sign their lives away to the great God, Joseph Smith. My brother wanted no part of it, but my sister in law signed away, dragged their son into it, then they had a daughter and she was right in (both were) before they could say their own names. My brother allowed it.. went along with it.. supported it.. did everything to ensure they were happy and even defended them when others persecuted them for it... like myself, because I knew better thanks to the "real" Bible wherein it states: "PROVE ALL THINGS, Hold fast to that which is good." IMO, Mormonism is evil, always was always will be, regardless of how goodie-two-shoes they try to pawn themselves off as.
Okay, cut to the chase time. My Neice is now 21, she's been introduced to a boy who just finished his 2 year mission. Can anyone say "Arranged Marriage?" So, they were to marry... only problem being.. DAD who supported her all those 20 years and gave his OKAY to being a Mormon, even though he wasn't always happy with some of the goings on, was now told because he was NOT a Mormon, that he could not attend the wedding ceremony....why? Because he was not WORTHY!! LOL Family values? "They don't compromise, they love and care of their families?" Boy, what a pile of doggie-doodoo After you bring up, care for, love unconditionally, a daughter who you want to make SURE she's protected from some slimy, perverted MAN (that's they way we all are about our daughters. right)... are NOT going to accept very well, that he will not be allowed to give his own daughters hand away in Marriage! Any father would FREAK if he was robbed of that RIGHT! Well, it happened anyway, under his nose... he even tried to storm the temple (not by force) to be there.. that's all he wanted.. to BE there to see his daughter being given away. Well, TWO of the Temple Nazis (Guards) grabbed him by the arms and escorted him back outside and said they'd call the police if he tried again. GOOD FAMILY VALUES you say? I say again, Mormonism is a Cult... not Christian in the slightest. They knock on your door carrying a Bible in hand... and as soon as you let them in, the Bible goes back in their satchel and out comes the Book of Mormon, designed to mislead you about the lies of one Joseph Smith, who probably ate too much Peyote one day, saw a vision.. and I could go on for hours, proving it's all so phony, like it is.
My nephew... he does his 2 year mission now... this is after my neice is married (Oh, incidently, she no longer talks to her dad.. the Mormon hierarchy forbade her to have any contact with him.. and I guess she's going along with it). Can anyone say "Mind Control? Brainwashing?" Now, years later she now has 6 kids.. SIX!! Gotta turn Mormon women into baby making machines to drum up millions of drones to feed the church Billions of Dollars, that they use to help people with. HAHAHAHA!! Riiiight...
So getting back to my nephew, he gets back.. now he's looking for the promise of a wife... POOF! They found him one... some lonely, homely, not quite the best looking halfwit, and that's who he's told is his wife.. so like a dumbed, drugged lemming... he goes along with it. Turns out she's Barren... so NO KIDS for my nephew.. and he always loved to play with kids...
Yep, those Mormons, they sure have it down for family values and know how to keep their OWN flock of suckers passified and happy, in a controlled sort of way... almost like an implant to keep them robotized. Hey, maybe it's the specially formulated coating on the Magic Underwear? That special cloth that protects them from all harm. I'd sure love to be wearing those when my plane get shot out of the sky and I SMACK the earth at 700Mph, and be the ONLY one to walk away unscathed because of my Underwear!
Who needs HANES, when you got LDS Soiled protection!
People, just stay away from these weirdos.. they tell you they stand for loving families and all the goodness that's SUPPOSED to go along with it, but the real truth is... they'll RUIN your life. Totally.
Only way you'll think they're the best is if you get dragged into it as a toddler too young to speak already.... OR as an adult, if you're ultra impressionable and easily suckered into any salespitch that sounds too good to be true.
My brother sure knows NOW that all those times I told him to get them OUT of that cult, that he should've listened to ME instead of defending the Mormons. Gads.. what a costly mistake. He's lost both his kids, and his own marriage almost broke apart because she was totally bamboozled and brainwashed by all the garbage too. It took a LOT of work and convincing to show her what went wrong... and she's still not 100% convinced.. but at least they're still together.
Family Values... HAH nothing could be further from the truth. Pure Evil is what LDS is. The Church of Joseph Smith, of Latter Day Satan.
75 - Complicated
As you celebrate Christmas, or prior to... go look up the origins of Christmas! It's a Roman Catholic invention and has nothing to do with what you think it does, because even in Jerusalem at that time of year, it is Brrrrr COLD!! Not even cattle are out in the pastures, and you can be sure no intelligent people would be laying in a manger in sub-zero temperatures. lol
While you're at it, I strongly suggest you look up the origins of Easter! lol... that should scare the bejesus out of you by itself. It's based on pagan worship of the sun god, and CERTAINLY has absolutely zero to do with Jesus.
That's the problem with all you people who just sit there in your church and accept all the lies and deceit that your leaders feed to you. Why don't you go LOOK for yourself, what all this means? The REAL truth is in well documented human history that's been written and recorded long before even the phony teacher that you trust in, learned for himself.
No one denies you your faith... but first KNOW what it is that you're accepting before beliving you understand what it means... because until you truly understand what it all means, anyone can come along and get you to believe nothing but lies, just because they're known to the flock as "Bishop" or any of the other holier-than-thou, self-serving, self-prided, so-called followers of Christ. If they teach and tell you to honour Christmas and Easter (especially Easter! lol) then even they have NO CLUE what they're promoting, being Pagan Worship of a False God. You actually listen to people like this?
Be very careful who you trust... go LOOK it up for yourself, don't let the holier-than-thou Bishop tell you, you're not allowed to Seek the truth... because Christ is better than your Bishop, and HE said, Seek the Truth, and the Truth will set you FREE.
It's time to FREE your mind from the clutches of the Cult of Mormonism.
Did you know the second "m" in Mormon was silent? (not pronounced)
Proof? They have an Angel called Moroni. Need I say more? lol
Moron - I (in Yoda speak, that means "I am a Moron")