Reverend Wright reminds voters why they'd be crazy to vote for Obama in November.
Much to the chagrin of Obama supporters, as well as to the scorn of most normal people everywhere, Reverend Wright seems to be on some kind of speaking tour. It must be Christmas for the GOP because this is the gift that keeps on giving.…
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— go to most recent comments26 - Cindy D
OA,
Real Nazi's were first children (just human ones, not inherently evil ones) who were indoctrinated with blind patriotism.
27 - Dr Dreadful
Obnox,
Let me get this in before Clavos* does...
You don't need an apostrophe in 'Nazis'. You were using the word in its plural, not its possessive, form.
* Our resident style 'Nazi'... ;-)
28 - Andy Marsh
bliffle - sorry, but the people you associate with is an issue. It goes to a persons critical thinking and what kind of choices he or she makes in life and what kind of choices he or she will make in the whitehouse as well.
And sitting in the same church for twenty years listening to that mans bullshit is very relevant to a lot of people, maybe not to you, but it is to many others.
People ask, what do you really believe...I mean, you sat and listened to that crap all that time and did nothing about it...never spoke up...never got up, you must believe it!
29 - The Obnoxious American
Cindy,
So just that we are all clear on what's going on in your mind, you suggest that you are right in saying that "[I'd] be a great Nazi" by further insulting me by suggesting I have blind patriotism. Sorry but that's a pretty weak justification.
You are in the minority on this point. Most American's don't accept what Reverend Wright said following 9/11, nor do they accept what he said yesterday at NPC. And Obama is paying the price.
Further, my patriotism is hardly blind. Especially when you compare my views (which support the long and successful history of capitalism in this country) to that of the Obamabots who support this candidate who has virtually no experience and whose whole claim to judgement was that he voted against the Iraq war. Sorry but by that measure, it's those people who would make great factions (not Nazis).
Feel free to type another page worth of justification, but your post stunk and you should be ashamed.
30 - Cindy D
cancel my apostrophe too Dr D.
31 - Cindy D
I can only hope that I am in the minority on EVERY point OA. When I am not, I hope to continually question myself as to what has gone wrong in my thinking.
32 - Cindy D
Andy,
Please keep your criticism private.
33 - Andy Marsh
Only of you Cindy!
34 - The Obnoxious American
"Wasting time discussing Wright helps to assure that you won't address the real issues of this election. So once again you will vote out of ignorance and based on prejudices and whims. And meanwhile people who DO want the candidates to address issues and develop policy will be frustrated by this smookescreen. Bah."
Bliffle,
You are aware that I've written several articles that dissect the Democratic candidates from a purely policy point of view. In case you missed them:
Democrats: I just don't understand
The Official Obama Hit Piece
Dishonest Dems
I am very familiar with the policies that Obama is running on, and I've devoted the above articles to refuting those policies. Anyone who reads my columns is well versed on policy issues.
This may very well be the first post dedicated to non-policy stuff. That said, I am in full agreement with Andy Marsh, who you associate yourself with IS important, especially in a candidate with so little else to define his history or views.
Cindy,
As a Republican in New York City, I am familiar with being in the minority. That said, the minority you seem to want to be associated with isn't one you should be proud of. It's sad, I have lost much respect for you as someone who discusses politics with me, and I am positive I am not the only one who has a different view of you given your comments in this thread.
To the rest who are siezing upon my misplaced apostraphe, enjoy that, but it won't change the point, it won't make Rev Wright right, and it won't make Obama president.
35 - Dr Dreadful
Andy,
sitting in the same church for twenty years listening to that mans bullshit...
I very much doubt that Wright's sermon every freaking Sunday for twenty years was a tirade against (white) America. You know perfectly well that those words were cherry-picked out of millions because it was believed they could be used against Obama.
If you believe him, Obama wasn't even there the day Wright made the speech everyone has a firecracker up their asses about.
Having seen charismatic Black preachers in action, I suspect that in reality most of the man's homilies were geared, as per his job, towards scaring the immortal bejeezus out of his parishioners.
The logical gymnastics Obama's opponents have been using to try and paint his friendship with Wright as some kind of fatal character flaw would be comical if they weren't so indicative of the sad sick way American politics seems to work these days.
36 - Clavos
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
Samuel Johnson, 1775
Quoted for Truth.
37 - Dr Dreadful
cancel my apostrophe too Dr D.
You only did it once. I singled out Obnox because he was a repeat offender!
38 - The Obnoxious American
Doc,
As usual, a sober and smart recount of the situation. That said, I think it's clear, given Wright's recent speaking tour, that he probably says what he said in that famous post 9/11 sermon fairly often. After all, it didn't take that much to get him to repeat it yesterday. Was some of it meaningless bravado, for sure. Does Obama being a part of his church mean Obama agrees? Perhaps, but not necessarily. Is American politics sick at the core because of it, not at all.
This is the vetting process. I think most Americans were willing to forgive Obama for Rev Wright, especially after his "race" speech. But Obama's continued parsing of whether he supports the man or his comments, combined with his lack of experience and record, make this information all the more telling. It says a lot to the people that he hasn't been more outspoken against these words, as opposed to explaining he's done instead. It makes him look weak, it makes Hillary look more credible (!).
People can attack me all they want, call me names or make fun of my typos (we all make them), but it won't change the basic truths about this article, nor the fact that this situation is impacting Obama's electability with his abetting.
39 - Dr Dreadful
Obnox, of course he repeated some of it yesterday. He's been all over the news for that speech and he was asked about it. Why wouldn't it come up? It'd be like landing an interview with the ghost of Oppenheimer and not talking about the atom bomb.
40 - The Obnoxious American
Cindy
"Real Nazi's were first children (just human ones, not inherently evil ones) who were indoctrinated with blind patriotism."
I had to respond to this drivel.
Sorry, but there were plenty of Germans who managed to rise above the indoctrination and actually saved the Jews in their midst. Not sure what kind of moral relativism you are engaging in, but unless you are suggesting that grown men have no responsibility for their own moral compass, your point is entirely meaningless. Everyone is first a child. So what? When they grow up, it's up to them to decide what's right or wrong. "Just following orders" isn't ever an excuse.
If I were you, I'd hang up the keyboard.
41 - The Obnoxious American
Doc, but thats the point. He still feels this way. And Obama still has not refuted the man (not just his comments).
If this were a white candidate, well let me stop right there, we all know what happened to Trent Lott when he toasted Strom Thurmond. Aside from being on the wrong side of the politically correct fence, what's the difference really?
42 - Ruvy
Cindy,
There is a great deal you do not understand about either patriotism or about Nazis. Saying that they were born as children and indoctrinated to be Nazis does not say a whole lot. Everybody was born and was socialized into one society or another.
Asserting that someone's nationality is a mere accident of birth is not an accurate assertion. You do not know the Will of G-d, and you are not G-d that you can make an assertion that all births in the universe are accidental occurrences.
Patriotism is not blindly following any government or nation. It is in the belief in the fundamental values of that nation, whatever they happen to be. In my own country, those values are undergoing a major shift. But what those values are is not yet determined. The issue of what those values will be will determine who is a patriot here in Israel.
The real Nazis were racists who honestly believed that Jews had to be exterminated for the good of all Mankind, as they defined Mankind. And they followed their beliefs. The murder of Jews was an issue that stood at the same level of importance as defending the Fatherland, and it was to be followed with the same determination.
Calling anyone a Nazi (or saying that that would make a great Nazi) implies that they have murderous personalities, and a satanic desire to kill off "inferior" races of people.
Think carefully on your words, Cindy, for you (actually, all of us) are judged on them.
43 - Cindy D
"Sorry, but there were plenty of Germans who managed to rise above the indoctrination..."
Of course there were, and that is what is good about subjecting one's government to criticism. This supports what I am saying. Can you see that?
Are you grasping the point I am making about ANY form of uncritical patriotism? You are sort of making comments around my point perhaps because you cannot allow your mind to entertain even the possibility that what happened in Nazi Germany might have been in part a result of an unquestioning patriotism (like some Americans practice).
What I am saying is, it scares me to see people uncritical of their government. It's destructive as far as I can see. I can't see it leading to anything worthwhile, but, I can see it leading to the acceptance of horrendous things.
44 - The Obnoxious American
"What I am saying is, it scares me to see people uncritical of their government. It's destructive as far as I can see. I can't see it leading to anything worthwhile, but, I can see it leading to the acceptance of horrendous things."
Great, you should write an article all about that. Not sure why you suggested I'd be a great Nazi, or your urge to post that here, in an article that has nothing to do with blind patriotism, by an author who isn't a blind patriot, about a subject that doesn't even relate to patriotism.
Moreover:
"Of course there were, and that is what is good about subjecting one's government to criticism. This supports what I am saying. Can you see that?"
What you were saying was that I'd make a great Nazi. Nope, still not SEEING it.
"Are you grasping the point I am making about ANY form of uncritical patriotism? You are sort of making comments around my point perhaps because you cannot allow your mind to entertain even the possibility that what happened in Nazi Germany might have been in part a result of an unquestioning patriotism (like some Americans practice)."
Now that you are making that point, sure I see it, but I still don't see what that has to do with the article I wrote. Unless you are STILL suggesting that I am a blind patriot, which would be ignorant. Some may disagree with my points, but to suggest
45 - The Obnoxious American
that they represent some blind patriotism is to indicate a lack of familiarity with my arguments.
46 - zingzing
"Asserting that someone's nationality is a mere accident of birth is not an accurate assertion. You do not know the Will of G-d, and you are not G-d that you can make an assertion that all births in the universe are accidental occurrences."
so god chose you as an american and you decided that god was wrong, so you moved to israel?
47 - Lawyer Consolidation Insurance
Reverend Wright Advocates Separate but Equal at NAACP Dinner to Thunderous Applause - "Different is NOT Deficient"
"A statute which implies merely a legal distinction between the white and colored races-a distinction which is founded in the color of the two races, and which must always exist so long as white men are distinguished from the other race by color-has no tendency to destroy the legal equality of the two races" - the Plessy v. Ferguson majority opinion enshrined in law that different is not deficient.
48 - The Obnoxious American
Perhaps God intended for Ruvy to be born in the US and then move to Israel. Either way, it doesn't take away from the very good point he made in response to Cindy's comments.
It doesn't excuse Cindy's way out of line comments about me, her trivializing of what it means to be a Nazi, nor the amount of backpeddling she's done since then to avoid admitting that her comments were shameful, and in bad taste. In fact, she's probably backpeddled about a full 26.2 miles by now in trying to explain her transgressions. She calls it being in the minority or trying to help me see something that she never said until pressed. I call it prejudice.
49 - The Obnoxious American
LCI,
If this hasn't become the closest Left Wing allegory to the Trent Lott/Strom Thurmon affair, I don't know what is. It's not quite being covered in the same way.
With Trent Lott, the media basically exposed this to prove that Trent was racist by association (and perhaps he was).
In this case, the media is outlining this to ensure that the voting public is prepared for this information come election day, or so that the super delegates can make an informed decision. No one in the media is suggesting that Obama feels this way, and in fact many journalists are making the case for Obama that he shouldn't be judged by his associations (CNN's top political staff to wit).
It's tough having a long memory.
50 - zingzing
so cindy is now prejudiced (against who?) because she said that your "blind patriotism" (which stems from the "I refuse to be ashamed of my country or its actions" part of your bio) stinks of the same reasoning that german citizens used?
as for ruvy's point about god and nationality and "accurate assertions," one is taking a mighty big step to say that god plants new human births inside political lines. whatever.
51 - Dr Dreadful
Obnox,
Lott has a history of making racially insensitive and/or downright offensive comments. He got away with it for years and became Senate Majority Leader in spite of it.
But... marry his unfortunate foot-in-mouth habit to a very public sucking-up to Strom 'Lookin' Good in a Hood' Thurmond, and you have a recipe for the Republican bigwigs to finally decide that enough was enough and yank the rug from under his pale white hairy legs.
Does Obama have a history of cosying up to black supremacists? I hardly think so.
52 - The Obnoxious American
Zing, I no longer understand what you are talking about. My bio about not being ashamed of my country does not equal blind patriotism. Quite the opposite, I think those Americans who are ashamed of this country are in fact self hating.
I may disagree with certain platforms or policies of this government. But I would never hoist our foreign policy responsibilities onto the dysfunctional UN - a view that many on the left share, and indeed a major part of Obama's (and Kerry's) platform.
That said, it has NOTHING to do with the article. I find it curious that you are so quick to defend Cindy's poorly chosen words.
Doc:
"Does Obama have a history of cosying up to black supremacists? I hardly think so."
Well I guess that's the question now isn't it. 20 years of attending a church whose pastor is calling for seperate but equal certainly sounds like a history of cozying up to something. If not black supremist, certainly seperatist. Not what I'd expect from the preacher of the candidate who claims to want to heal the racial divide (that incidentally doesn't exist so much anymore except perhaps in the same extremes that give birth to the Cindy D's of the world).
53 - zingzing
"My bio about not being ashamed of my country does not equal blind patriotism."
ahh, but by "refusing?" no matter what?
"I think those Americans who are ashamed of this country are in fact self hating."
there are things that this country does that should ashame you. we aren't any angels. we're money-grubbing, war-mongering, religion-crazed, hypocritical and somewhat backward. but that's not everything that we are. i'm not ashamed of this country, but some of its actions ARE pretty damn shameful. i want them to change, so i can believe that everything this country does is done with the understanding that "america" only exists in the world, and that our first priority should be to all of humanity, not to some political designation.
"I would never hoist our foreign policy responsibilities onto the dysfunctional UN"
and this unilateral gung-ho bullshit is really working in our favor?
"I find it curious that you are so quick to defend Cindy's poorly chosen words."
they're just words. and i didn't defend her words so much as condemn yours (as exactly the same thing you are complaining about, really).
54 - Dr Dreadful
20 years of attending a church whose pastor is calling for seperate but equal certainly sounds like a history of cozying up to something. If not black supremist, certainly seperatist.
Nah.
Wanting that to be true don't make it so.
the racial divide (that incidentally doesn't exist so much anymore except perhaps in the same extremes that give birth to the Cindy D's of the world)
The racial divide exists, Obnox - albeit for the most part no longer in the same hateful terms it used to. But it's still there.
For instance: how many Black friends do you have? Close ones? How many White friends do you have? Close ones?
In the lunch room at your workplace, who sits with whom?
Can you identify several distinctly 'ethnic' neighborhoods in the city where you live?
That kind of thing.
55 - Matthew T. Sussman
I guess when I run for president, they'll look at my super liberal best friend and say, "Well, if he tolerated her extremist views for over 20 years, and he isn't disowning her as a best friend, then that's just as bad as agreeing with her or saying it in a speech."
Granted, this is actually one of many reasons I am unelectable. But still.
56 - Dr Dreadful
I agree that you shouldn't run for President, Suss. You tend to cut through bullshit far too easily.
But you'd make a wonderful debate moderator. Move aside, Mr Lehrer.
57 - The Obnoxious American
Zing,
First, every country has things that they should be ashamed of. Every country should change for the better. But it's when you take it to the point of saying things like this:
"I want them to change, so i can believe that everything this country does is done with the understanding that "america" only exists in the world, and that our first priority should be to all of humanity, not to some political designation. "
it belies a blind anti-patriotism that exists on the left.
Our government should be focused on what's best for this country. Not humanity OR some political designation, just what's in our best interest. And if in the course of looking out for ourselves, we can also make the world a better place, then great. And that's precisely what's happened. The creation of the state of Israel for example WAS an attempt to make the world better. Our alliances with those who are now our enemies (famous pic of rummy with saddam) was borne out of the desire to make the world better.
Problem with the left is that they assume Bush is evil, the GOP is evil, I am a Nazi, etc. This is where Cindy's comments came from and why they are so offensive. Why your comments are nonsensical and you are trying (with little effect) to turn this argument around on me.
It's this blind factioning that the left routinely engages in that makes claims by the likes of Obama, the single most liberal senator, to be "post partisan" whatever that means, so laughable. Especially when for the life of me, I can't understand what post partisan means. Non-partisan perhaps? or just a dictatorship?
Unilateral gung ho? How about just doing what's in our best interest? That works.
58 - Baronius
Obnox - I'm sure you could be great at anything if you applied yourself.
59 - The Obnoxious American
Doc,
"Wanting that to be true don't make it so."
Again, you are assinging too much of this onto me. I don't want it to be true. In feb I was wishing that this guy was a Republican. But this situation, and moreover the way Obama has handled it, has raised questions in my mind as well as in the minds of many.
If we want to turn this article, which is about Wrights comments at the NPC into a debate over me (taking tidbits from my bio even and using them to argue the issue no less), feel free, but that would be the biggest strawman yet on BC.
60 - zingzing
"it belies a blind anti-patriotism that exists on the left."
patriotism is nothing but a nice word for nationalism, which is a dangerous, dangerous thing. witness the 20th century for your proof.
"Our government should be focused on what's best for this country. Not humanity OR some political designation, just what's in our best interest."
the world is going to run into problems that way.
"The creation of the state of Israel for example WAS an attempt to make the world better."
exactly. didn't work out, eh?
"Why your comments are nonsensical and you are trying (with little effect) to turn this argument around on me."
my comments are nonsensical? YOU tried to make her out to be insensitive towards the jews, which is just a weak argument. in effect, you tried to make her out to be a nazi. invoking the nazis is foolish, i'll give you that.
"It's this blind factioning that the left routinely engages in that makes claims by the likes of Obama, the single most liberal senator, to be "post partisan" whatever that means, so laughable."
see bush's campaign. every presidential candidate tries this junk. it never works, but it tricks some people into voting for them.
"Unilateral gung ho? How about just doing what's in our best interest? That works."
no it doesn't! our "best interest" (or whatever the government decides that is) is what lead us to the "unilateral gung-ho" nonsense. a majority of the rest of the world was saying "don't go in there, it's just going to make things worse for all of us," and they were right.
61 - zingzing
"but that would be the biggest strawman yet on BC."
how long have you been here? we've seen mighty big strawmen around here.
62 - Cindy D
"...the racial divide (that incidentally doesn't exist so much anymore..."
Have a look around Tim Wise's site. Particularly, an article, in the essays section, titled:
Of National Lies and Racial Amnesia:
Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama, and the Audacity of Truth
Here are some videos where Tim Wise presents some fairly well-evidenced challenges to the status quo concerning racism in America. The first one is a highlight that lasts only 5 minutes.
63 - The Obnoxious American
Zing,
I never tried to make Cindy out to be a Nazi. I called her out for using words that even you agree were insensitive. See, as a Jew, when I hear people call George Bush a Nazi, or when they call someone with even less of a moral stain a Nazi, they cheapen the meaning of the word. In Cindy's world, if you have strong views, you are Nazi like. Sorry, but Ruvy got the description of a Nazi correctly, a murderous person, someone willing to wipe out an entire race. I know you probably hate Bush given your comments, but he isn't a Nazi. I am sure as hell not a Nazi in any way shape and form.
It's clear that I have to explain all of this to you. It's clear that you are doing your best to try and argue on behalf of Cindy's terribly chosen and insensitive words. You can continue that defense but it is unbecoming.
In response to your other views, we don't elect our government to make the world better. We elect them to RUN THIS COUNTRY. It's funny because you cling to the idea that the US's goal should be to improve the world, but in the same post, you make fun of the results of these attempts (talk about nonsensical):
"the world is going to run into problems that way.
"The creation of the state of Israel for example WAS an attempt to make the world better."
exactly. didn't work out, eh?"
So which is it, should we try and help the world, or should we only help the world when it can't be later poked at by navel gazing liberals with 20/20 hindsight?
"see bush's campaign. every presidential candidate tries this junk. it never works, but it tricks some people into voting for them. "
Give me a break. Being above partisanship is the very centerpiece of Obama's campaign. Bush may have suggested that he would work across the aisle, and I dare say that he has, more than Obama has. But Obama's big selling point for indies and even (gasp) some republicans has been to suggest that he will rise above it all. And it's simply not true.
"no it doesn't! our "best interest" (or whatever the government decides that is) is what lead us to the "unilateral gung-ho" nonsense. a majority of the rest of the world was saying "don't go in there, it's just going to make things worse for all of us," and they were right."
Obviously you are talking about the decision to go into Iraq. Sure, the UN said, don't do it. They were also taking money from Saddam via the Oil for Food scandal. Same UN that created an impossible to rely upon inspections regime. Rather than tell us not to follow our own foreign policy, the UN could have ensured that we didnt go to war with Saddam by removing greed and corruption from it's programs. But it didn't.
I am not saying that the War in Iraq was managed well, it wasn't. But to sit there and complain that we went into Iraq out of some gung ho unilateralism is ignoring the realities at the time and playing into the classic liberal argument that Bush is evil, that the GOP is evil, that Cheney is Darth Vader, etc. It's all nonsense.
"how long have you been here? we've seen mighty big strawmen around here. "
Not surprising with guys like you running around here.
64 - Cindy D
actually this was right on target:
"...(which stems from the "I refuse to be ashamed of my country or its actions" part of your bio)..."
your bio. very simple. you said it yourself.
65 - The Obnoxious American
Cindy,
I never said racism doesn't exist, it does and always will (your Nazi comments to wit). What no longer exists is a real racial divide.
If it did still exist, we'd never be seriously talking about Obama as a candidate for president. But we are. Because for the majority of Americans, race doesn't matter nearly as much as it did a mere 30 years ago.
I think part of the reason why the Rev Wright thing is so bad for Obama is because most Americans are not racist. They don't want some candidate preaching to them about healing a divide that to them no longer exists. It turns Obama into the "black" candidate, as opposed to a presidential candidate.
I have a feeling that most voters, who like me are probably proud at how far this country has come in terms of race relations, will find the conversation about a divide that doesn't, that can't exist in this day and age, rather pedantic. I certainly feel this way.
66 - The Obnoxious American
Cindy,
"your bio. very simple. you said it yourself."
Great, glad that zing was able to explain your idiotic comments. Thanks for clarifying. And as I said, it is a major strawman. Now that we've spent countless posts discussing your foolish and insensitive name calling, care to actually argue the central point behind the article?
67 - Cindy D
and you dispute the evidence i presented via tim wise exactly how? (or you just disregard it, what i presume).
68 - Cindy D
Here's Tim Wise on white privilege (it's 9 whole minutes).
69 - The Obnoxious American
did you read my post? There is a difference between an individual's racism or prejudice (such as you suggesting I'd be a good nazi) and my systematically being denied the same rights as you because I am jewish. Get the difference?
Sure, most people in Jail are black. Poor people in urban centers tend to be black. But no longer is there a divide in this country. What we have now is the result of a divide that at least systemically no longer exists. It will of course take many years for the effects of the divide to normalize.
I agree that when I was growing up, being white gave you a privledge. I can tell you that when I was a youth on the city streets, the cops tended to be a lot kinder to this white boy than to many of my African American friends.
In this day and age, many cops in NYC are black. Are we suggesting that they are continuing the systemic oppression of blacks? Let's be serious. And this is just one example. Same could be said for corporate opportunities, educational opportunities, etc. It's all there for any underprivledged person, white or black, should they pursue it.
I'm sure there are still klansmen somewhere out there (perhaps in some dark corners of NYC), but the difference these days is that they've been forced out of the mainstream. It is a crime to be racist now, and you will get prosecuted. So talking about a divide in 2008 is ignoring the realities of how far we've come, and is quite the opposite of the audacity of hope.
70 - Cindy D
"Sure, most people in Jail are black. Poor people in urban centers tend to be black."
I can hardly believe my ears. So, POOR BLACK PEOPLE IN URBAN CENTERS are arrested and jailed more often than white people, EVEN THOUGH WHITE PEOPLE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MORE CRIME and you are also saying:
"But no longer is there a divide in this country. What we have now is the result of a divide that at least systemically no longer exists."
Even though there used to be more white people in jail because they committed more crime and even even though more white people commit more crime now there are more black people in jail. You say that there is no longer a divide?
I say you are attending to the notions in your own head instead of the facts of who is and is not in jail and who does and does not commit crime.
71 - Cindy D
It has become okay in your narrow mind to decide that poor people from bad neighborhoods can be jailed more often. You are a screaming racist.
72 - Cindy D
I resent what you and people like you have done to MY country.
73 - Dr Dreadful
Obnox, you're confusing active racism with the racial divide. The latter is the antithesis of what Martin Luther King envisioned when he talked about Whites and Blacks 'sitting down together at the table of brotherhood'. On a practical, everyday level, that part of the Dream is still some way off, purely because of peer pressure and individual choice.
74 - The Obnoxious American
"It has become okay in your narrow mind to decide that poor people from bad neighborhoods can be jailed more often. You are a screaming racist."
Thanks for telling me how I feel. For your information, I grew up very poor, in a bad neighborhood. I'm a racist? Wrong, I'm just not living in liberal fantasy land.
In the future, debate my comments. Don't waste my time telling me what I think or who I am. You really don't have much of an opinion besides them talking points do you?
It would seem based on your posts (and not some nonsense that I dreamed up about you) that you seem to think that there is a systemic prejudice against blacks in our legal system. Care to prove that allegation? Just FYI, stats aren't proof.
Another point, you blur the lines between white and black, rich and poor. But let's be clear, no one cares what color you are as long as you have green in your pockets. Is there a class divide? Sure, I'd never deny that. But it's not racially motivated (but perhaps systemic) divide.
Cindy, we are all less smart for even engaging in this conversation with you.
75 - The Obnoxious American
"I resent what you and people like you have done to MY country."
People like me? lolllll you are sounding more and more foolish with every post. Zing, care to catch her back?