On Friday — timed just right to minimize news coverage — Republican Party of Florida Chairman Jim Greer and the state party Grievance Committee notified a number of party members, many of them holding elective office, that they were effectively purged from the party and had been removed from their offices and would be ineligible to hold any other party positions for periods ranging from two to four years.
The targets of this purge are mostly members of the Florida chapter of the Republican Liberty Caucus, a group which seeks to return the party to its core beliefs of individual liberty, limited government, and free markets. These particular individuals were targeted because they had expressed opinions critical of party policy, candidates, and office holders, on the basis of which the grievance committee decided that they had "engaged in disruptive conduct likely to interfere with the activities of the Republican Party." Acting on the committee's recommendation, Chairman Greer issued letters stripping them of their offices and rights as party members.
This is the culmination of an ongoing assault by a party establishment dominated by big-government Republican hacks seeking to silence grassroots activists who are trying to reform the party and bring it back to the values on which it was founded. Previous actions against the RLC include an attempt to prevent them from using the word “Republican” in their name, despite the fact that the group has used the title for almost 20 years and obtained permission in writing from the party for the use of the name under a prior administration.
The current actions may be at least partially driven by the success of the RLC in Florida, where it has grown to be one of the largest political groups in the state, and by the outspoken support of many members for Marco Rubio, who is challenging incumbent Governor Charlie Crist in the next senatorial election. Many RLC activists supported Ron Paul in the last presidential primary and were not enthusiastic about the McCain nomination, drawing criticism from the party establishment. Also at issue were demands for an audit of the state party and an investigation into financial improprieties by Orange County Chairman Lew Oliver.
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— go to most recent comments1 - Mark
It might just be me, but isn't there something of a qualitative difference between Stalin's purges and these?
While I agree that the RLC has a serious problem with the likes of Greer and the powers that be in the Republican party, isn't the Soviet comparison a tad over the top -- rhetorically speaking, that is?
2 - Orlando Tea Party
Purging is not the answer. It is a failure to reflect from within as to why and how this is happening within the party.
I can tell you why; I've witnessed it myself. It is the fault of the leadership and inaction or inability to take proactive steps.
Purging is not proactive, it is reactive which shows the level of failure the Republican Party is at right now.
Every step is error-correct error which should not be supported.
3 - Dave Nalle
Mark, sometimes you've got to use strong words to elicit a response.
And yes, Orlando TP, I agree that this shows a fundamental weakness and lack of leadership which falls squarely on Jim Greer.
In his position as chairman of the state party his role should have been to step in and find a way to resolve the conflict, rather than letting it come to the conclusion which it did.
Dave
4 - Cindy
Game's not as fun when you get cast in the role of pawn, it seems. But Dave, look at it this way; the system works just fine, just like you said. The people are getting what they want. You just don't happen to want what they do.
I am coming around to seeing things your way. Like when you told me that the people with the power and assets should be the ones making the decisions, because they are the ones who have more at stake.
That ownership of the word 'Republican', that's pretty amusing. Guess that's what happens when people can own words. (To hell with historical significance.)
Can't wait to see what the results of owning human genes will be.
5 - Mark
Mark, sometimes you've got to use strong words to elicit a response.
Yup. Nothing like a good red scare to get people hopping! Especially exceptional Americans.
6 - Clavos
I am a Floridian and a conservative-Libertarian. Because of Florida's bizarre registration requirements, I am registered as a Republican, but I vote as an independent. I support Marco Rubio.
Jim Greer is an embarrassment to the party and to the state of Florida. It is he and the Grievance Committee who should be purged -- permanently.
7 - Julie
Dave, nicely written piece. I hadn't heard of this purge in Florida of Republicans that speak their own minds. I don't agree with Mark that a comparison with Stalin is "a tad over the top." I, personally, believe that huge, historic purges start small and grow from there. If you don't speak out when the threat is small, you might not be around to speak out later.
I believe your article has hit on the head the entire problem the Republican Party faces right now. Speaking to their ever shrinking "base" (i.e., Right-wing Christians) and losing sight of their basic principles is why they're losing elections. And, it is a shame, too, since this country needs some Republican ideas to move forward.
8 - Andy Marsh
I've felt for a long time that the republican party had gotten away from the things that made me think I was more with them than against them, so to speak. I've always been a registered independant, but that's because I don't have the nads to pick one party. Really, it's more because I don't agree with any one platform. I'd say I'm more libertarian than anything, but more often than not they (the Libertarian Party) pick people that are just a little to far out for me!
But isn't this just great. It seemed like first it was just the democrats that were tearing themselves up from the inside out, with the blue dogs and moderates against the likes of Pelosi and Reid. Now the republicans are gonna do it too?
What's the world coming to? Rebulicans are kicking people out of Fla and MSNBC has an FLA rebublican in it's morning lineup??? It's dogs and cats dancing in the streets next!
9 - John
The GOP refuses to change, they love money, power, wealth all for themselves. Oh wait, is'nt that like the Dems too? Yup, they're one party, just have to have 2 names, so most of them wil get elected and keep the status quo moving. What a bunch of idiots. We need Ron Paul 2012, Rand Paul 2010, Peter Schiff 2010 and many more like them. These are the guys the GOP needs. The GOP will never succeed without them.
10 - Dr Dreadful
Ah, the perils of a two-party system.
As an outsider, it makes no sense to me that you should have to register a political affiliation in order to vote anyway. Surely the only constitutional criteria are that you are 18 or older, sane and not a felon?
Where your political sympathies lie should be none of the registrar's fucking business.
11 - Baronius
"Marco Rubio, who is challenging incumbent Governor Charlie Crist in the next election"
That's not exactly right. Crist and Rubio are both running for the Senate seat in 2010. They've both held major state office. (Rubio has more legislative experience.) Rubio's people should treat Crist as no more than a fellow candidate, unless they're sure that perceived incumbency will be a negative.
12 - FreeDem
Wow - a knockdown drag out fight between the Libertarians and the Theocrats both the sort that the elephant was supposed to remind everyone that they would never forget had nearly destroyed the Country.
Max Blumenthal got the story right when he called his book Republican Gomorrah. You create two Frankenstein monsters and then complain that they are destroying the village. Unfortunately we all live in the village.
13 - Jive Dadson
Patriots of Florida, Mr. Greer is a disgrace and an impediment to the cause of Liberty. Redouble your efforts.
14 - Cannonshop
And now, the Florida Republican Party Demonstrates that there's not a dimes' difference between control-freak big-government Democrats and control-freak big government Republicans.
15 - Truth speaker
Here is just one of a thousand examples of why these "Republicans" were booted. This email was sent by Will Pitts, leader of the RLC, just days before the election.
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"For liberty to survive in America. Obama must win.
Here is how I see the current garbage being pushed to us from the mainstream media. My opinion is that in order for us to to save America Obama has to win. If McCain wins then those who consider themselves to be "conservatives" will be lulled back to sleep. They will feel they have won and will tune into their daily dose of Hannity and Rush and feel as if by listening to talk radio for an for an hour a day they are Patriots.
I have experienced deep resentment from my own party just as Ron Paul did in the primary. The Republican party does not want anything to do with repudiating the communist manifesto. Both Obama and McCain support the erosion of property rights, they are jointly embracing Al Gores environmental initiative. McCain is heading the globalist environmental agenda, they both support eroding our sovereignty to the UN, they both support the Kyoto treaty, they both support an assault weapons ban, they both support gun confiscation, they both support a centralized US Department of Education, they both oppose the 10th Amendment, they both support continued war, they both support unlimited borrowing, they both support a graduated income Tax, they are both socialist.
The problem with a McCain is that when he practices socialism conservatives are treated as heretic for speaking against what he is doing. Many in the party are so stupid that if a Republic does something that is socialistic and the talking heads promote it (i.e war) then the socialist policies become "conservative." Then one is not a "good Republican" if they speak against the new policy of the party, even if what they are doing is un American.
Therefore, the only way to effectively awaken and unify the Constitutional Conservative Republicans, Constitutional Conservative Democrats, Constitutional Conservative Independents is to have blatant socialist in office.
The demise of America is coming from those who claim to be Conservatives who do most harm to the Constitution. John McCain would be exactly that type he will kill the constitution and our sovereignty through incrementalism.
At least with Obama he is going to go for the brass ring to bring in tyranny and socialism. At that time hopefully Constitutional conservatives can call the question to restore the republic. Below is my take on Globalist McCain.
On McCain
The final push to get the sheep into the slaughter pen is underway. The Globalist Neo-Conservatives have successfully taken over the Republican Party just the same as the Nazi's took over the Weimar Republic and suspended the German Constitution. The Nazi's then led a totalitarian regime and the rise of Hitler in his quest to establish the New Order.
Hitler's globalist movement continues today with the New World Order and can not be accomplished until the American people become disarmed and subservient to the United Nations and its World Trade Organization and their un-American socialist agreements NAFTA and CAFTA and the ultimate override of US Sovereignty - NATO.
The Globalist have slowly and gently guided the American people from thoughts of freedom and liberty to government domination and group speak through media manipulation, marginalization, humiliation , loyalty oaths, and rigged straw polls.
Their final denouement was to secure their nomination by demonstrating their ideal police state at the Republican National Convention ("RNC") evidenced by armed gun ships, check points, swarms of combat police in full riot gear, intimidation, unlawful arrest and the such. Even within the Republican convention the Nazi ilk demonstrated and flaunted their take over of the Republican Party by recruiting partly loyalist to watch other party members and to report them and strong arm them to silence dissenting opinions. All of this was well funded by the US taxpayers and the multi national corporate lobbyist who were celebrating their victory over the people.
Prior to the RNC their well orchestrated schemes were evident with local party bosses parroting the orders of the state bosses who parroted the orders of the national bosses who parroted the orders from the RNC committee leaders who received them directly from the oracles of the anti-American lobbyists and special interest groups. The McCain annointing message was sent down, comply and you will be rewarded, and if you do not comply and get rid of all dissenters you can plan on a ruined political career and no funding unless the message was pushed down stream.
The handwriting on the wall was there for all to see during the last week of December 2007 when long shot candidate John McCain received "in a rare move" the support form Benedict Arnold, foreign born, Heinz "Henry" Kissinger. Heinz then quickly paraded the washed out parrot John McCain to the Council on Foreign Relations and to its members including their CEO and reported of the national global media firms. This immediately ensured that the McCain "Maverick patriot" message was pushed down to the masses.
Quicky Former President Bush jumped in and backed McCain.
Once Kissinger, Bush, the Carlyle crew and the AIPAC elite announced the announting, the talking heads on the networks, that are predominately viewed by the party membership, went to work to prop up McCain. They simply began talking about how great he is are all day long while simultaneously marginalizimg his opponents.
McCain did not need real support or money and coincidently at the time McCain had neither. The message began with "McCain may not have money but he is going to win New Hampshire." Blah, blah, blah, it was story after story all day long about McCain heading to New Hampshire and winning again. The benefit and value of the incessant free positive media coverage provided by the major network would have cost in the tens of millions of dollars if not the hundreds of millions. The fix was in and the game was on for the minds of the 80% of Americans who form their opinion from televisions. These same non-thinking Americans place implicit trust in what the "credible" pundits have to say and they were saying "McCain."
Simultaneously, the media controlled networks and AIPAC writers began their smear campaign against the only pro-American, Pro Liberty Candidate that was in the presidential race-Ron Paul.
11/17/07 Mona Charen Slimes Ron Paul.
1/13/08 Ron Paul - The Smear Campaign.
11/29/07 Ron Paul smeared by CNN's Jeffrey Toobin about NAFTA highway.
5/28/08 Media Campaign Against Ron Paul Continues.
Following McCain's visit to the CFR has was paraded to the Anti- American - Israeli Lobbyist firm AIPAC where he was escorted by his two handler rabbis - rabbi Kissinger and rabbi Lieberman, where he swore upon the altar of the Global New World Order allegiance and aid to Israel and swore to continued aid to all foreign nations as directed and allegiance to defend the Israeli agenda and to continued preemptive war against those enemies so declared by Israel.
Any liberty minded individual who has not witnessed the erosion of the Bill of Rights with the Patriot Act, John Warner Act, Military Commissions Act and other such tyrannical pieces of Unconstitutional legislation has been asleep. These assaults on the U.S. Constitution and the American People are all supported by the treasonous traitor John McCain.
Now the very elect -the remnant - is still being deceived. We are told "you have got to vote McCain or we will have Obama. Big Bad Obama." Okay, so in order to go in and push the button or pull the lever for McCain I just need to reconcile a few things before I sell my soul to Satan.
No wait, we are told Obama is Satan, McCain is a lesser of two evils. So i guess he is more like the one of the minion demons Balaam, Beelzebub, Baal or Amdusias. He is a lesser of two evils so that wont be that bad. Because as we are told, "nothing is as bad as having Satan.:
So let me ask you this rhetorical question, "If you had to leave your children and posterity with Satan or one of his demons, which one would you leave them with?"
And yes, they are going to try to scare us, "McCain will support good judges, Obama will support bad judges." We are told, "Obama will raise taxes, McCain will not." Hello, unless you have not heard, we are $10 trillion in debt, have $40 trillion of debt obligations and Bush and the Central Bankers are working to saddle us more debt than the entire worlds GDP. This is more of the big lie. In reality, these guys serve the same masters there will be no difference. The two worship at the same altar.
So then, realizing that the American People were not buying the McCain story hook line and sinker - and they damn sure were not buying a McCain - Lieberman ticket they reached into their bag of tricks and pulled out Sarah Palin.
Sarah Palin is the latest rabbit out of the hat. Along with Palin comes the globalist media machine to sell her as the savior of the party and the savior of America. We if she is so great, why doesn't the party switch her to president and McCain to VP?
The neoconservative handlers have taken her, written her policy, they wrote her speech at the convention and they have her on record reciting her speech. She can not change her position if she wanted to. This tells us that if what she said is what she actually believes, then we need to reject her message. If she said what she was told to say then I definitely don't want her because she is not strong enough to stand up for the courage of her convictions. She is not fit to be president.
Aside from that, the woman is crazy. She thinks it is Gods will for us to preemptively invade other nations and murder their citizens because they may attack us or they may develop a weapon for their own defense. I think we have heard that before. Sarah Palin is a red herring for the globalist and an irrelevant non-issue.
McCain will continue to disregard the US Constitution to sacrifice the lives of our young to do the bidding of Israel and the Neo-cons. McCain is a traitor and enemy to the US Constitution and has no problem sending our youth to slaughter for his own lesser demon goals of the world.
McCain will continue to promote the United States participation into NATO thus allowing the US to be pulled into Unconstitutional wars.
McCain will continue to promote the devaluation of the US Dollar and enslavement of Americans through US Debt.
McCain will continue to promote the Sovereignty of the United Nations and a world government to the detriment of the US Constitution.
McCain will continue to promote the Real "Dangerous" ID Act that allows for the federal government to surveillance all Americans including our children and to track their every move.
McCain will continue to undermine the sovereignty of the States and their legislatures.
McCain will continue to promote a federal education system that overrides the state legislatures and pushes a socialist totalitarian worldview on our children.
John McCain and his ilk are traitors to the American People and the US Constitution. Any support of this man and their Forth Reich regime constitutes aid and assistance to the enemy of the US Constitution and aid to a traitor to this nation. They do not hold a monopoly or a claim to my mind or my vote.
So as for me I will not cave to the manipulation of two false choices.
So as for me, there will not be blood on my hands by consenting to their actions. They murdered nearly 70 children in the past month in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
As for me, my children will never be in shame because I have to tell them I supported a tyrant who murdered hundreds of thousands.
Every vote for McCain will show a false sense of support for the lesser of two evils. The lesser of two evils is still evil and we must reject the evil. Our fight does not end in November, it has only just begun.
And no we don't have to leave the Republican Party if we don't like McCain and the Neo-Conservatives. If someone breaks into your home and holds you by force and says "sign this oath to support me or leave your home to me", do you leave or do you fight to take it back?
This is the same false choice we are presented by those who are attempting to take the party and the country captive. We will stay in the party. We will take a stand. We will fight. We will silence those who are traitors to the U.S. Constitution, traitors to our sovereignty and traitors to America.
We have been asleep but the spirit of liberty has been re-awakened. We are back, we are not going anywhere and we are here to take it back!
-Will Pitts"
16 - zingzing
"The GOP has always been a "Big Tent" with room for diversity of opinion and a respect for the right of free expression, but in Florida under Greer the rules are more like those of the Soviet Communists who believed that slavish subservience to the party was more important than individual rights."
again with the communism. but i see your point. i just wouldn't have put it that way... is communism just about anything you don't like?
and your abbreviation of "Orlando TP" just throws fuel on the fire.
17 - Dave Nalle
Yes, truthy. Will Pitts is an unrepentant radical who advocated the need for the GOP to be slapped down so that it would be forced to rebuild itself. He did this BEFORE he held an elective position or was head of the RLC of Florida. And regardless of when he did it, he has a RIGHT as an American and a Republican to hold an opinion and if he runs for office it is the voters who should assess that opinion, not the party.
Dave
18 - Lumpy
Another reason I'm glad I don't live in Florida. Here in Virginia the libertarian republicans and the state party seem to get along a lot better. Maybe it's because we can look across the river and see the beast and know how badly it needs to be put down,
19 - Dan Gonzales
Beast? The only way to put the beast down is to quit supporting it! You look across the river in Virginia and what you see is a reflection. The two party cabal is the problem here and some of you need to learn to cut the apron strings and stand strong for a change. You cannot change the top of the Republican pyramid but you can abandon it and build a new one. Even our founding fathers had to learn when to quit the old ways and begin anew.
20 - Dave Nalle
The top of the Republican pyramid has been changed at least 5 or 6 times in the past in substantial ways. There's no reason why it can't happen again, turning one of the parties into a net positive instead of a neutral or a negative force.
Dave
21 - Glenn Contrarian
Truth Speaker - great post! It's great not in the rhetoric of Pitts, but in enlightening us as to some of the infighting within the Republican party.
22 - Dave Nalle
And Glenn, look at what Pitts is saying - ignoring the conspiratorial part - and you'll see how a lot of Republicans have felt about Bush and the party leadership since about 2003. It really gives the lie to the Democrat argument that all Republicans are inherently complicit in anything Bush and the party may have done wrong.
Dave
23 - Glenn Contrarian
Dave -
"The GOP has always been a "Big Tent" with room for diversity of opinion and a respect for the right of free expression."
That has GOT to be the biggest load of bovine excrement I've ever seen you post. I really don't mean any personal insult by that, because I'm sure you mean exactly that...and conversely, I think I can safely say that you think the same of my own posts.
But back to the 'big tent' and 'respect for the right of free expression':
1 - there are mainstream Christians, agnostics, and atheists in the Republican party...but how many Republicans are Hindu? Or (horrors!) Wiccan? Or Muslim, especially after the Bush administration? That doesn't sound like a 'big tent'.
2 - There are minorities in the Republican party...but a quick glance at the political conventions last year will show where the minorities really are, and you know it. Remember the coverage by Fox at the Republican convention, how they would repeatedly focus in on the same small set of African Americans? That's because that 'small set' were pretty much the only African Americans there. Again, that doesn't look like a 'big tent' to me.
3 - Which party is it whose members more strongly support making English the 'official language' of America? You know very well it's the Republicans...and considering the continuing change in demographics, well, that's not exactly the 'big tent' way.
4 - Who raises cain whenever there's a controversy about 'In God We Trust' on our coins, and 'One nation under God' in the Pledge of Allegiance, and the Ten Commandments on the courthouse lawns, and Christmas trees and nativity scenes on government property, and this very year about Obama's 'lack of support' for the National Day of Prayer (or something like that)? So much for the Republican support for separation of church and state...and exactly what would those who are not mainstream Christians think about the 'big tent' that Republicans claim? Especially when there's a whole slew of Republicans who continue to claim that America is a 'Christian country'?
5 - AND how about that Republican 'big tent' strategy for gays, lesbians, and transsexuals? Ever hear of DOMA, the Defense of Marriage act that is so popular among Republicans that it has its own acronym?
The Republican party, where one can find a 'Big Tent' and support for 'freedom of expression'? Please.
You know better than this, Dave. I've said before that you are intelligent, educated, and no fool...but these advantages also mean that we can expect you to know when your own words are grossly inaccurate. There are many who will strongly agree with what you say...just as there are many who believe everything that Rush and Hannity say.
But due to the general level of intelligence of those who blog here, those on the right AND on the left who imbibed a bit too much grape Kool-Aid are called out and exposed on a regular basis. You've done this for me...and I hope you see that I'm doing it now for you.
24 - Glenn Contrarian
Dave -
"It really gives the lie to the Democrat argument that all Republicans are inherently complicit in anything Bush and the party may have done wrong."
Um, I'm not sure if you realize this, but you Republicans DID elect Bush...twice.
That's one thing I've noticed about Republicans - they take NO responsibility for Bush's mistakes...even though millions voted to re-elect him.
Me, I'll point out the mistakes of Democratic presidents...but I also strongly defend them, and you know it.
Maybe that's one of the things that separate conservatives from liberals. Conservatives believe that individual is paramount, that little or no responsibility is shared...whereas liberals believe that while individual responsibility is important, we also have a very real shared responsibility - for peace, for the planet, for equal rights, what have you.
The primacy of individual responsibility in conservative eyes - does that not go back to what I said about the self-reliance inherent in rural lifestyles giving rise to a conservative worldview?
Maybe I'm wrong about that, but I'd like to hear what you think about that observation.
25 - Dave Nalle
1 - there are mainstream Christians, agnostics, and atheists in the Republican party...but how many Republicans are Hindu? Or (horrors!) Wiccan? Or Muslim, especially after the Bush administration? That doesn't sound like a 'big tent'.
I belong to a yahoo group called "pagan republicans anonymous" which is full of Wiccans. Most of the wiccans and other neopagans I know are Republicans, especially those who have a background in the military, which is quite common. Hindus and Muslims? Have a talk with the clerk at your local convenience store about his politics sometime. I think you'll be surprised. And ask them how they liked Bush - again, you'll be shocked. Or talk to some Iranian-Americans sometime. Overwhelmingly Republican. There's something you're missing here.
2 - There are minorities in the Republican party...but a quick glance at the political conventions last year will show where the minorities really are, and you know it. Remember the coverage by Fox at the Republican convention, how they would repeatedly focus in on the same small set of African Americans? That's because that 'small set' were pretty much the only African Americans there. Again, that doesn't look like a 'big tent' to me.
Actually, what I've seen is the media aggressively avoiding showing the presence of African Americans in the GOP. The most notorious example being their filming of the gun-carrying protester in Arizona where they focused on the gun to avoid showing the fact that he was black.
But I wasn't actually talking about racial diversity. The GOP isn't about race and has never made its appeal on racial grounds. I'm talking about diversity of political perspective.
3 - Which party is it whose members more strongly support making English the 'official language' of America?
A view shared by over 70% of the general population in the latest polls.
And again, you live a sheltered life. Go out and talk to some American-born hispanics sometime about immigration and the English language. You'll be surprised.
You know very well it's the Republicans...and considering the continuing change in demographics, well, that's not exactly the 'big tent' way.
Again, the GOP is not and has never been about race. As a party it's entirely blind to the issue. And again, that's not the kind of diversity I'm talking about. I'm talking about Republicans not agreeing with each other, which there's an awful lot of.
4 - Who raises cain whenever there's a controversy about 'In God We Trust' on our coins, and 'One nation under God' in the Pledge of Allegiance, and the Ten Commandments on the courthouse lawns, and Christmas trees and nativity scenes on government property, and this very year about Obama's 'lack of support' for the National Day of Prayer (or something like that)?
A small number of people on the religious right who get a great deal of undeserved publicity out of it.
So much for the Republican support for separation of church and state...and exactly what would those who are not mainstream Christians think about the 'big tent' that Republicans claim? Especially when there's a whole slew of Republicans who continue to claim that America is a 'Christian country'?
There are a whole bunch of Democrats who claim that America is an imperialist country or a racist country. Doesn't make it true.
5 - AND how about that Republican 'big tent' strategy for gays, lesbians, and transsexuals? Ever hear of DOMA, the Defense of Marriage act that is so popular among Republicans that it has its own acronym?
Again, there are major groups within the GOP who both support and oppose gay marriage. This is what I'm talking about when it comes to diversity. A majority of Republicans polled support civil unions and a third or so support gay marriage while about a third actively oppose it and about a third are indifferent. That's diversity of opinion.
The Republican party, where one can find a 'Big Tent' and support for 'freedom of expression'? Please.
Republicans as a group have been on the side of free speech as an issue more often than Democrats, that's for sure.
You know better than this, Dave.
I know what I see. You need to get out more and experience what America is really like beyond the boundaries of your isolated community of like-minded people.
You show the insularity which is so common of people on the left, who assume they know what other people think and want, with no real personal experience of actually talking to those people. It's like you live in a bizarre fantasy world.
Dave