The irony: The Brothers of the Revolution Muslims are protected by the First Amendment, bestowed upon them by the country they hate.
Last Thursday an event stunned the nation and shook our military: a soldier fired over 100 rounds of ammunition into a crowd at a Texas Army Base, killing 13 and wounding 30, resulting in the worst military base massacre in U.S. history.…
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76 - Ruvy
If the radical Christians are so damned concerned about society, let them leave as well. Let them go to Jerusalem. At least over there they will have Ruvy to contend with.
Silas,
We don't need these folks to live here. Send these Christian fanatics where they can do some good - to France, Britain or Sweden. All the neo-pagans and the like there need some bucking up - especially in the courage department in dealing with the resident Wahhabi fanatics there. Besides, once there they can enjoy the blessings of socialized medicine and child allowances; if the Europeans are paying by the kid, I'm sure the radical Christians will pop 'em out by the dozen.
As it stands, a lot of these fanatic Christians are the people who stand with us against the Arabs. That's kinda nice, even if it is only to get their own agenda accomplished....
77 - Silas Kain
The reason why I would dispatch them to you, Ruvy, is that you would give them a dose of bitch slap reality. They have this romanticized, mystical view of the Holy Land. Fact of the matter is the majority of these so-called right wing fanatics wouldn't recognize Jesus Christ if He was standing in front of them. First of all the hygiene of that day wasn't the greatest; second, cloth and clothing were primitive among the poor; and, third, His skin color was NOT white!
78 - Baronius
"These Christian fanatics are equally as dangerous as Muslim cells operating within our borders."
Silas, you might want to test that theory against fresh data every couple of years.
79 - Silas Kain
Baronius, fanatics are fanatics. The difference is the weaponry. Cash? Jets? Guns? In the end, cash wins out.
80 - Jet Gardner
Silas, I've never been a weapon of a fanatic. :)
81 - Baronius
So...they're not as dangerous, Silas. But you think they might be if they had better financing. Maybe you could have said that instead.
82 - Silas Kain
I'll bet you've got a fanatic weapon. Or is that fantastic? After Cindy's posts I'm confused.
83 - Silas Kain
Baronius, it's like this. The Radical Muslim wings are well financed. What is their financial base? Poppies, drugs, oil, real estate. The fanatic right wing is well financed and their base? Defense weapons, BlackWater, unsuspecting robotic followers. Each are well financed, it's the methodology. 9/11 changed the dynamic. alQuaeda's mission was clear -- attack America at its' heart -- Wall Street. Mission accomplished. And in the 8 years since, we have seen the virtual collapse of our financial markets as a result. This is the dirty little secret that should be front and center. If they want to attack us at our financial core, then we must reciprocate. Bomb, burn and destroy poppy crops in Afghanistan. Develop an energy policy which is virtually free of reliance on Arab oil imports then seize all property owned by these groups within the states. Hell, if we seize a skyscraper, turn it into affordable housing for Mormons. That'll piss off the radical Muslims. And, last but not least, make American companies pay a dear price for importing goods from China. Sure, it'll piss off the Chinese but it's time to start worrying about building up our infrastructure again. If that means a decade of isolationist policies, so be it.
The time has come for sincere, open debate in this country where the fringes on both sides are left outside while the moderates on both sides plead their respective cases. There's no time left for gridlock. We need action and if this government is incapable of generating the same then it is time for every incumbent to go!
84 - Ruvy
They have this romanticized, mystical view of the Holy Land.
They used to have a romanticized view of Israel, Silas. But they come here, to Samaria, to help us with the olive harvest and the like and they find out very fast what reality is. They see secular Jews from Tel Aviv inciting Arabs to steal our land, they see the soldiers back up the secular pigs from Tel Aviv, and they come round to points of view like mine right quick. They see Ethiopian Jews, Jews from the Burmese border, Jews from Tunisia, Iraq, Kurdistan, they hear Hebrew, English, Spanish, French and Russian on the buses and learn who we Jews are very very fast.
I'm talking about families who come here on their own dime, people from Kentucky or Tennessee, or Minnesota, people who I've met traveling on buses here. They learn to speak passable Hebrew, they learn to understand our perspectives on things. More often than not, my conversations are not bitch slaps of reality at all. They've gotten that already. Some of them have very subversive agendae that they have the sense to keep to themselves. But in the meantime, Silas, they are extra hands to help with the harvest.
Something for you to chew on. Maybe the folks in Massachusetts have a romanticized vision of Israel, Silas. But once they come here and get their hands dirty, the pink lenses get tossed.
85 - Silas Kain
Ruvy, you're right. (shhh, zing), and the problem is that a mere fraction of Americans who romanticize the Holy Land have been there. They see the poverty. They see the ravages of war. They see a people who are struggling to survive in a rough sea of secularist Jews, "court" Christians and who-knows-which Muslims. They learn their lessons and return and the remainder of us are too busy to listen to their experiences.
You know how passionate I am about the West getting out of your affairs. However, while Jerusalem is definitely a city which belongs to the Jewish state, it seems to me that if the Israeli government could force a policy of cohabitation for the major religions which descended from Judaism, it would go a long way yo start bridging divides.
Ruvy, you and I are closer to meeting our Maker. Doesn't it make sense to try and educate our children and grandchildren -- not in the ancient divides but in encouraging reasoned dialogue and debate? Is it necessary for us to bequeath to our children another generation of spilled blood?
86 - Ruvy
You know how passionate I am about the West getting out of your affairs. However, while Jerusalem is definitely a city which belongs to the Jewish state, it seems to me that if the Israeli government could force a policy of cohabitation for the major religions which descended from Judaism, it would go a long way yo start bridging divides.
I have six articles that I bookmarked just today detailing Arab terror incidents here. The Israeli government cannot force anything - they are too scared of Arabs and their violence, and they are too scared of Haredím and their violence. The Israeli government is a pack of cowards and bullies.
The only reason that the secularist pigs from Tel Aviv continue their shit at all, is that we have not gone to Tel Aviv to beat the living shit out of them. The same goes for the Europeans who incite Jews for You Tube videos. I they were attacked, the lot of them and beaten bloody and forced to leave us, they would not return. If they were attacked in their home cities , they would learn very fast to NOT incite religious Jews.
It's easy to teach a bully manners - you break his nose, break his jaw, ram your fist through his teeth. Bullies are cowards, and once they are confronted and beaten up, they usually sink into whatever slime they emerged from.
Once this policy of "moishe-coddling" is adopted by believing Jews in dealing with traitorous Jews, we will have a lot fewer problems here.
87 - Ruvy
Do notice, Silas. I did not mention non-Jews here. But, speaking for myself, I have taught my own children to differentiate between Wahhabi trash and Islam.
88 - Heloise
Ruvy, we get your pain, really we do.
But I have just about lost respect for Islam, the Koran and that purdah crap. It's too much. In the land of freedom I believe that if we don't curtail the freedom of Islam in this country it will take us over faster than you can say illegal aliens from Mexico.
Radical Islam could/should be banned but the only thing bout going underground is that it often gives it more power.
At The Trough I can say what I think and what I think is that Islam should be banned in America. Why? Because it's gonna take away the very freedoms that we have been stupid enough to give it.
Heloise
89 - Silas Kain
At The Trough I can say what I think and what I think is that Islam should be banned in America. Why? Because it's gonna take away the very freedoms that we have been stupid enough to give it.
Here's a helpful hint, Heloise. If we eradicate the practice of Islam from our society what is to stop us from prohibiting Judaism, Pantheism or any other damn ism? It's a slippery slope when you single out an entire culture for expulsion.
You're entitled to your opinion. That being said remember this. If we were to ban Islam from our culture, you may end up not having the right to express your views against another. Take Mormons. They're Christian. I would slam them at every turn. If we became a radical right religious republic who knows what my fate would be if I expressed my concern over the use of magic underwear.
And let me get another thing straight. My intense passion against anything Mormon has nothing to do with their belief system. It has to do with their getting rid of polygamy because their "Prophet" said God told him to. That's bullshit. For Utah to be admitted to the Union, the Mormon Church had to make a political decision. Sorry, that just doesn't cut it with me. When you sell out a faith for political gain, that's hypocrisy.
90 - Cindy
Silas,
I think it's pretty hopeless trying to make any sense whatsoever to someone who would say this: what I think and what I think is that Islam should be banned in America. She seems not able to hear us anymore.
But you did a good job trying.
91 - Ruvy
Cindy,
Heloise is a scholar of that branch of Islam that I view as the most compatible with Judaism, Sufism. I would never say "ban Islam" for the same reasons that Silas advances above. For her to say this should tell you something.
This is what it says.
The evil of the Wahhabi savages has taken over Islam to such a degree that even she is willing to see the whole religion banned your country and probably elsewhere as well. She knows Muslim culture a lot better than you do, I'll wager or Silas or me.
92 - Cindy
She knows Muslim culture a lot better than you do, I'll wager or Silas or me.
Yeah, I bet she does. But likely not as well as the Muslim woman whose words I've posted.
For her to say this should tell you something.
Yes, it does tell me something. It tells me that becoming a scholar does not guarantee one will become a clearer thinker about a subject.
It tells me what I already know, that adults do not change their minds easily and will defend their biases despite all the learning in the world. I think most adults generally just use what is learned to reinforce what they already think. Some, maybe even recognizing that, try harder. But not very many--not even among skeptics.
Look at this confusion: Radical Islam could/should be banned but the only thing bout going underground is that it often gives it more power.
The thing I think she sees Ruvy is that Islamic fundamentalist are different than those she is used to. They are not amenable to the typical US elite dominator policy, which doesn't care much about which religion you are. Or the US Christian fundamentalist or even the Catholic Church dominator policies. This is a different kind of dominator, one that won't want to just take away your abortion rights, but might want to punish you by death for lack of belief.
They are not frightening to me. No one, not even most of the people I disagree with are about to allow that to happen.
93 - Cindy
What's more frightening to me is what the actual current dominators are doing. Who has time to fantasize about what some other group of tyrants might do given a chance they'd never get, when we have a real group of tyrants, actually oppressing society, to deal with.
94 - Silas Kain
Let me ask an honest questions in the attempt to solicit honest answers:
What makes the current radical Muslim groups different from say the Christian Crusaders? And leave Jesus and Muhammad (PBUH) out of it. I'm talking about the imposition of terror.
Why should the United States remain entangled in the policies of Middle East countries and what does the United States have to gain by continuing to be a presence in the current Israeli government?
Should the United States break diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia based upon their continuous human rights violations?
95 - Ruvy
Okay, Silas, some quick answers to your questions:
1. What makes the current radical Muslim groups different from say the Christian Crusaders?
They don't scream HEP! HEP! when killing their enemy, and they have more modern weapons.
2a. Why should the United States remain entangled in the policies of Middle East countries and
They shouldn't.
2b what does the United States have to gain by continuing to be a presence in the current Israeli government?
Nothing.
3. Should the United States break diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia based upon their continuous human rights violations?
The solution is to nuke Riyadh, move the troops from Iraq to establish Abdallah II as king in Makka and Medina, and (as a goodbye gift) make the new Arabian king accept the "Palestinian" Arabs as his subjects.
This kills several birds with one stone.
1. The Israelis have a way to annex Judea and Samaria and still have a viable governing system and the new Arabian kingdom can negotiate a permanent peace with Israel, solving the "refugee" problem.
2. Everybody realizes that the USA can be pushed so far and no farther. This message is designed to resonate with Europe, Russia and China in particular. If they want to bring you down, they do so at their own risk. They can get burned.
3. Most important, you end the money stream for the Wahhabi mosques - which go broke. The new ruler in Makka determines what kind of Islam rules in the madrassas - and it propbably will not be the Wahhabi trash.
End of story. The United States pulls out its troops from the Middle East, the Israelis attack (and defeat) the Persians and everybody is happy.
After several years of balanced budgets, the United States can once again consider - universal health care - with no expatriate tax!
96 - Cindy
Oh, in case I need to say this, 92 & 93 related directly to the US, obviously Islamic fanatics are in control elsewhere.
97 - Ruvy
I forgot! No more money goes to the Middle East (especially not to Israel!!!). No more weapons go except as cash sales. The Sixth and Seventh Fleets aim their guns and missiles at Moscow and Tehran.
98 - Cindy
Ruvy,
Why don't you stand in solidarity the people? The Iranians have been fighting their govt in continual protests since the elections.
99 - Ruvy
Cindy,
The Iranian people do not control the military. If they did, then there would be no Islamic republic. The Iranian people are sick of those bastards.
But those bastards are still running the show. Helping the Iranian people overthrow the regime in Tehran would be part and parcel of attacking Iran - and winning.
100 - Cindy
Well it might be hard for them to win if they are all nuked.
101 - Silas Kain
Let's not think happy thoughts, Cindy.
102 - Ruvy
Well it might be hard for them to win if they are all nuked.
Cindy if the regime is unstable enough, it might not be necessary to nuke the Persians. But at this point, their mede is my poison. Nevertheless, do note that I did not recommend nuking Persia to Silas, and did not imply it in my solutions for what Israel ought to do. Nuking the Persians is not something I want to see done. It is something I do not see an alternative to. Each mass demonstration in the streets of the cities of Persia is another argument against nuking them.
103 - Silas Kain
Ruvy, I've got a business associate who refers to himself as Persian. Born in Iran, his family escaped to Paris at the fall of Pahlavi. They came to the United States 10 years ago. The reason why he refers to himself as Persian is because he finds nothing in common with Iran of today and is ashamed of what Iranians are doing to Persians. I don't understand the whole dynamic. One thing is for certain, the radical Islamic movement within Iran has caused my friend to abandon his Muslim faith in favor of no belief at all.
Also, thanks for your answers. I'm disappointed that others have not chime din because I see these as essential questions that engaged Americans should be asking their government and each other.
104 - albu
Where there are rape, killings and mutilation perpetrated by muslims. Idiots will ask "Are they on drugs?" When a muslim soldier massacre his fellow soldiers, they ask "is he nut, or a lunatic?" My answer is "No idiots they are just plain muslims."