Canada’s intelligence services have long been ridiculed as being toothless and a far cry from their U.S. or British counterparts. But CSIS, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, has come through for us and prevented Canada’s own 9/11. By all accounts, the terrorist cell based in and around Toronto, had enough explosives to recreate the bombing of Oklahama City three times over.
Keen observers of what has been going on in Canada for the last five years or so are not surprised by this near-attack on Toronto; it has been brewing for a while, they’ll tell you.
Toronto, in particular, has been undermined by criminals and radicals from overseas for years. While this trend may still be barely noticeable even for long-time residents of the city, there is no denying the fact anymore that Canada has become, or is on its way of becoming, “Canuckistan,” a term used by former CNN personality Pat Buchanan.
Buchanan was also among the first U.S. commentators to speak up after the news about the Toronto bust broke, expressing his hope that this would open the eyes of (Liberal) Canadians to reality.
After almost 13 years of Liberal government in Canada, Canadians now reap what the Liberals have sowed: Wide open borders, lax enforcement of even the most fundamental rules, and provisions of immigration laws have resulted in a growing subculture of undesirables who linger about Toronto, Montréal and Vancouver. The majority of them are criminals, but since 2001 in particular, the intake of potential terrorists has also gone up.
To make matters even worse, former Prime Minister Jean Chrétien, in the wake of 9/11, announced that the visa applications of students from the Middle East would be fast-tracked — the very group that forms one of the main sources of future terrorists. It was almost as if that Liberal Prime Minister was hellbent on creating another 9/11 - only this time on Canadian soil.
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1 - Q Bit
Look at the age of the people arrested:it wasn't because of the last 13 years of liberal rules.
If you want to lie, fine, by all means please do so. Because we know very well people like you and what you guys stand for and what the word "human" means to you.
.... growing subculture of undesirables who linger about Toronto, Montréal and Vancouver. The majority of them are criminals, but since 2001 in particular, the intake of potential terrorists has also gone up.
There are organizations like KKK, which would just suit racists like you.
2 - AlbertaLife
This is a personal attack and violates site rules. You will be reported and removed.
3 - Q Bit
I'll see to it. No worries.
Your statement,
.. growing subculture of undesirables who linger about Toronto, Montréal and Vancouver. The majority of them are criminals, but since 2001 in particular, the intake of potential terrorists has also gone up.
Read it again .
And DON"T keep spamming my blog.
4 - AlbertaLife
I am not spamming any blogs - way too busy for that. It seems that you sympathize with the terrorist and criminal elements hiding in Canada. Perhaps, someone should point the RCMP in your direction.
Again, you have been reported for violating comment policy.
[AlbertaLife: As a newcomer to Blogcritics you are probably not aware that the editorial staff look after the comments policy issues and are not currently calling for volunteers in that department... Comments Editor]
5 - AlbertaLife
By the way: the statement you quote is based on facts. Canada is overrun by criminals and other undesirables from around the world. Stating facts is a basic right. And it's not a racist observation, because those undesirables also include Europeans, such as Germans, French or Hungarians who come here and commit crimes (e.g., fraud, etc.).
6 - Q Bit
I am not spamming any blogs - way too busy for that.
- I am not sure about your claim, I checked the IP address and it's from Calgary, Alberta and coincidentally it has the same tone that you used in your email. Let me quote it here:
By engaging in a personal attack you have violated the comment policy of Blogcritics. I have reported you and will be dealt with like the piece of human garbage you are.
Shut up, brownie. You are also a terrorist in waiting, eh? Stop defending criminals and terrorist, and don't comment about Canada if you know shit all.
And now you have written:
It seems that you sympathize with the terrorist and criminal elements hiding in Canada. Perhaps, someone should point the RCMP in your direction.
- now that is not personal? Funny.
7 - AlbertaLife
Now you have just demonstrated how deluded you are. I refuse to communicate with you any further when you're delirious. As an old saying goes, go tell it to your granny; perhaps, she'll believe you.
8 - Q Bit
I couldn't care less. But the filthy language that you have used shows a lot about yourself and I'm not a bit surprised.
9 - mizry
hahahaha.
best comments section on a blogcritics article. ever.
anyways, this thing about an aborted terrorist attack in toronto is news to me. interesting.
10 - Joey
yeah, they got busted with tons of fertilizer.
I was expecting some ultra-stealthy catch, some modern and complex high explosive... instead they must have followed a dump truck to the drop off.
Interestingly though, a number of the suspects were Canadian youths, obviously sympathizers for for the intentioned perps of a violent mess. BTW, that amount of fertilizer was 5 times the amount used in the OK City bombing.
I'm not certain what type of explosives were used in the 1st WTC bombing... but I do believe that the entire crew on that attack was out of Iraq, and had the full knowledge of Hussein. Which, in my mind demonstrates that Saddam is not totally ignorant, nor innocent of past culpability.
What have we all heard... it's not a matter of if, but of when. And I can prophesy that after the next hit... all the discussion about patriot act, spying, loss of privacy etc... will become instantly moot.
That's my 2cents
11 - Deano
Canuckistan?
The raid in Toronto was targeted on a group called The Jamestown Crew, who have a background mainly from Jamaica (a long way from the Middle East...)and the raid was conducted and run by the Metro Toronto Police but they included Peel, OPP and some RCMP - Harper didn't have squat to do with either implementing it, planning it or ordering it - it has been in the works for a considerable length of time and the investigation has been ongoing for almost a year. So I fail to see how this can be due to Harper's benign influence...
Further you conclude that the Libeals would have done nothing effective in response to the supposed Toronto plot yet you also laud CSIS for demonstrating their effectiveness in preventing any incident. Well, CSIS developed and ran their intelligence operations and monitoring under Martin's watch, not Harper's, so if as you claim the Liberals were so shockingly ineffectual, why aren't we all blown up by now. Harper's only been in power for what - 6 months - the investigation has been tracking these guys for several years.
This is the most boring type of partisan hackery post...
12 - Dave Nalle
Look at the age of the people arrested:it wasn't because of the last 13 years of liberal rules.
Are you seriously trying to say it was caused by the less than 1 year of conservative rule? Come again?
Dave
13 - Dave Nalle
yeah, they got busted with tons of fertilizer.
I was expecting some ultra-stealthy catch, some modern and complex high explosive... instead they must have followed a dump truck to the drop off.
Joey, read a paper sometime. Amonium nitrate is THE explosive of choice for your high-yield car or truck bomb. It's easy to get ahold of and can be exploded easily in huge quantities to do phenomenal amounts of damage. They didn't just happen to find it, they went looking for it because their trainers told them to.
Dave
14 - Q Bit
Dave: Blaming it on Liberals might serve agendas but I do think, most of them probably came to Canada before the last 13 years of Liberal rule.
The immigration policies in Canada are quite relaxed but that has been for ages, and blaming Liberals certainly doesn't serve any purpose.
I don't have all the necessary datas right now, but here is a quote from Toronto Star
Most were Canadian citizens or residents. Police described them as coming from a broad “strata” of society. Some are students, some are employed, some are unemployed. The adults range in age from 19 to 43.
Rocco Galati, lawyer for two of the Mississauga suspects, said Ahmad Ghany is a 21-year-old health sciences graduate from McMaster University in Hamilton. He was born in Canada, the son of a medical doctor who emigrated from Trinidad and Tobago in 1955.
Shareef Abdelhaleen is a 30-year-old unmarried computer programmer of Egyptian descent, Galati said. He emigrated from Egypt at the age of 10 with his father who is now an engineer on contract with Atomic Energy of Canada, the lawyer said.
First one: born and brought up in Canada, and the second one immigrated 20 years ago, not during the Liberals. I hope you see my point.
15 - RJ Elliott
I don't see how it is "racist" to point out that Canada has lax immigration rules, and that this has led to countless criminals and potential-terrorists coming to your country and setting up shop.
BTW, the US has lax immigration laws as well, and the government here deserves blame for this situation, too.
16 - Armchair Climbing Enthusiast
How's that saying go.... "the Mounties always get their man"?
In contrast:
Google "Phoenix+memo"
Time magazine, re: Colleen Rowley
Things that make you go "Hmmmm...."
17 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Um,
Maybe you were going a bit heavy on the Liberal bashing, Albert Life. That is something that is more for your fellow Canadians to determine. What you said did not appear racist to me. But if your present prime minister is deporting illegals and the Mounties are lucky enough to catch a ring of terrorists on his watch, I'd say it's been a good weekend for the Conservative party in Canada - not to mention all the folks who did NOT die in a terrorist attack...
18 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Sorry about the typo on your name, Alberta Life... Lousy typist, no spell checker... what can I say?
Serously, wishing the Liberals to be gone won't get them gone...
The Progressive Conservatives may be history, but, if memory serves, the Liberals have been around from before Confederation.
19 - AlbertaLife
Thank you, RJ. Indeed, there was nothing racist about the observations made. I did not say that all immigrants were undesirables. Every group of people has good and bad. Even our "native" population has good and bad, and the undesirables in that group and their actions must be denounced just as strongly.
In a properly enforced immigration system, the number of undesirables that slip in is kept at a minimum. Under the Liberals, however, the number of undesirables was drastically increased, very much to the detriment of all other decent immigrants who now see themselves painted with the same brush.
As for those terrorists arrested in Toronto, while they are "born" Canadians, it is also true that their minds were infected with dangerous ideas and ideologies by those who have come to Canada over the last few years. It was not their parents who brainwashed them into terrorism, but others who have come to Canada for the sole purpose of organizing terrorist activities and "jihad".
If the Liberals had not flouted Canada's immigration laws for the past 13 years, we'd have fewer of those "brainwashers" among us, and those young Muslims born and bred in Canada may not have been infected with such murderous ideologies.
That, and only that, is the sole point of this argument.
20 - Joey
David,
I know all about fertilizer.
I was illustrating that it wasn't some dirty nuke, or sophisticated propellent. It was Amonium nitrate. Uncle Harry used to take a bag of fertilzer, a gallon of diesel fuel and an M-80 with a 2 minute fuse (I forgot the measurement, but it's all timed by length), and blow stumps.
21 - Bonnie
I'm not sure that Harper et al deserve a feather in the cap for these arrests, simply based on timelines. The Conservative government has discussed these issues, but have they actually implemented any legislation that would be relevant to these arrests? And even if they had, I would expect this investigation's beginning predates the current government's election.
I'm curious, AlbertaLife, what criteria you would use to distinguish between desirable and undesirable immigrants, which seems to be a core concern in this piece.
22 - AlbertaLife
Desirables: they have useful skills and qualifications; they speak English and/or French at a functional and professional level; they work for a living; they integrate - in short, they become Canadian.
Undesirables: they never learn the language of the land; they don't integrate; they live off welfare (courtesy of the Canadian taxpayer); they commit crimes; they are terrorists; they have no interest in integrating.
23 - Bonnie
Is reality that far out of pace with those standards?
Most immigrants of working age are degree holders, more than 2/3 have "conversational" skills in an official language and the vast majority of newcomers enter under the skilled worker class or as part of a family sponsorship, (Source.)
I often wonder if the implicit promise when we demand these kinds of qualifications without fully putting the skills to use is part of the problem. To be welcommed into Canada because of your skills in engineering but then told your prior experience isn't applicable here... There's a big gap between the promise of Canada and the reality for many skilled immigrants. Those seem like circumstances that would be ripe for bitterness that could be harnassed for action.
24 - RJ Elliott
"I often wonder if the implicit promise when we demand these kinds of qualifications without fully putting the skills to use is part of the problem. To be welcommed into Canada because of your skills in engineering but then told your prior experience isn't applicable here... There's a big gap between the promise of Canada and the reality for many skilled immigrants. Those seem like circumstances that would be ripe for bitterness that could be harnassed for action."
Translation: You come to Canada. You don't immediately find a high-paying job. You become angry. You decide to kill Canadians. Blame Canada.