President Obama's Cairo speech was full of sound and peacefulness, but signified little.
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President Obama's Cairo Speech: A Worthwhile Effort or an Exercise in Narcissism? - Comments Page 4
President Obama's Cairo speech was full of sound and peacefulness, but signified little.
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126 - zingzing
hrm. "little things DO unintentionally poke out."
taken out of context that sounds awful.
kind of like a 60 year old man lobbing insults on the internet.
127 - Ruvy
bah--you know nothing about me
The more I read from you, the less I want to know.... When I can take my knowledge about you into the minus 50 or minus 60% range, I'll feel satisfied....
kind of like a 60 year old man lobbing insults on the internet. You're not even worth the insults. And no, I haven't reached 60 yet, either.
Little boys throw shit at tanks - and accomplish nothing. So, keep lobbin' the shit, little boy, and see what it gets you.
128 - zingzing
what's it going to get me, gramps? (you're not 60?)
129 - Clavos
although i'm sure little things to unintentionally poke out now and again.
heh
130 - zingzing
see 127, clavos. late to the party.
131 - Clavos
I saw it.
Doesn't change the irony.
132 - zingzing
alright, grammar police. don't talk to me about irony. you slip up, just once, and the hounds will eat you alive.
133 - Clavos
I slip up all the time.
The hounds are usually busy chasing their tails.
134 - zingzing
and it was 126, not 127, so there.
i made another mistake, unlike his god-like presence hitherto known as clavos, now known as "mine god shines brightly," who knows all, sees all and documents every grammatical error with certain, god-like glee, of, ever, and forever, every known and unknown (unto all but he) soul upon the ever-growing epicenter of his mind (as that encompasses all known and unknown to us, the puny mortals supplied by his mind's eye's imagination's dung), noting irony (for which he has a natural predilection) upon irony (for which he has his only blind spot, obviously) in his own hypocritical hype.
"i am god!" roars clavos, and the world shivers.
135 - Clavos
Waaay too wordy, zing.
This would have been enough:
"i am god!" roars clavos, and the world shivers.
136 - zingzing
the wordiness was the point, grammar nazi. i gave you plenty to work on. must be driving you up a wall.
137 - Clavos
Naahh.
I just cut it down to the point.
And it was an editorial critique, not a grammatical one.
Wordiness is never good, not even to make a point; bores your readers..
138 - Ruvy
The following comment is for those of you who have enough maturity to realize that the word "appeasement" has nothing to do with putting green peas on a knife in an attempt to eat them.
Since Obama made his little speech in al-Qahir, Jews have been whining like stuck pigs, suddenly realizing - and unable to believe - that their country was actually on the line. Tonight, in about 2½ hours, the "Whiner-in Chief", prime minister Netanyahu, is going to find a way to contort himself into a pretzel so as not to "collide" with the big bully on the block, the United States, and somehow yet retain a shred of his dignity and connection to those who elected him, the nationalist Jews of Israel. It should be fun to watch.
In the meantime, the Jews who already have the right idea about the United States and how to deal with this smelly bully have been speaking up in various ways, and Arutz Sheva has been one the very few places to give them a public forum.
The most important of these people was Israel Eldad, whose comments on "acceptance of a two-state solution" were covered in my comment here, #119. To remind you, though, he warned that Netanyahu's acceptance of a 2-state solution here, would bring about his own overthrow. That is just the bed of rice upon which we lay the following pieces of schnitzel.
This article from Arutz Sheva about the real priorities of this country is a direct slap in the face to those who yammer endlessly about "Israeli democracy".
This is a Jewish nation , first last and always. All else comes afterwards. That is policy, so far as Member of Knesset David Rotem (Yisrael Beiteinu party) can make it so, and at this point, he has amassed some bit of power in the Knesset.
It's nice to see that my side is beginning to heft some weight on the scales of power here. It's about time!!
But there is yet more schnitzel to be laden onto the rice. Independent journalist, Yoav YitzHak, the owner of Hebrew language internet news site News1 states that NaHum Barne’a of yediot AHaronot, Ben Caspit of ma'ariv and Yoel Marcus of ha'aretz all write as if they were plants of Hussein Obama, rather than Israelis at all. He called on Israelis to boycott the three leading Hebrew newspapers, for Israelis to refuse to buy them because of this.
I've been following this policy for years now, spending all of 20 shekels in the last eight years to buy the specified Hebrew language papers. Of course, having the internet, and access to freebies like yisrael hayom has helped. Of course, I must admit, that the only paper whose journalists maintain any real standard of Hebrew is ha'aretz.
The bottom line here is this - the summary paragraphs of the article in Arutz Sheva:
YitzHak's tirade against his comrades is reminiscent of a similar article by another independent writer, Arab affairs expert Dr. Guy Bechor. Writing in his website last September, Bechor contended that Israel was under "media occupation."
"At its core, the media in Israel is not elected and does not change," Bechor explained. "It is made up of several 'gurus' who carry on for decades, without any real change in its personal makeup."
The media in Israel, he emphasized, "has turned into an active political force that serves as a substitute for the political parties of the past. The more the Left in Israel shrank in size, the greater its influence became in the media, although [this influence] was always hidden and camouflaged."
"Thus the Israeli media crossed the lines, and moved away from its western counterparts," he accused. "Thus it also betrayed the Israeli public, which expected, and expects to this day, that it will cover events."
139 - zingzing
"Wordiness is never good, not even to make a point; bores your readers.."
but if your point is to be pointless, do you have a point?
and wordiness, at the expense of our god clavos, is always good. keeps you busy. [Edited]
140 - Clavos
but if your point is to be pointless, do you have a point?
You tell me. It was your "point."
141 - zingzing
then it had a point.
142 - Ruvy
then it had a point.
It would appear, zing, that some moyel came and shaved off your "point" yet a bit more - or maybe he slit it off with "nails" (ouch!!!).
Anyway, moving on up to more cerebral matters, do you think you are capable of contributing something of use to us here {Edited}? Or maybe you should retire to that "other listening room" of yours for a bit.... Some contemplation and meditation can do wonders for the mind {Edited}
143 - Cindy
Except for Zing, there is a real shortage of maturity and braincells here on BC.
cindy: "how do you put up with us?"
zing: who?
You know us-- the immature stupid people the one who shall remain nameless bitched about. :-)
144 - Cindy
the funny part to me zing is knowing that your days were surely numbered as 'the good boy'
145 - Ruvy
One never knows when an evil man will turn to do righteousness. Jimmy Carter, a nuisance to the Bush administration who has been a voice for the Arabs and for Arab control of the Land of Israel, may actually have some voice with the evil pagan princes of darkness of the Obama administration.
Known hitherto for his unalterable opposition to a Jewish presence in Judea and Samaria, in a visit to Nevé Daniel, a village across the road from Efrat just north of Hebron, the former president stated "This particular settlement area is not one I envisage ever being abandoned or changed over into Palestinian territory,"
One never knows. Carter's visit may be far more significant than Netanyahu's speech.
146 - Ruvy
In the meantime, bringing hope from an entirely different direction, is Professor James Tabor, the author of the "The Jesus Dynasty" and now "Restoring Abrahamic Faith", who, in his works, makes it possible for Christians to see their way past the dividing lines between Judaiszm and Christianity, issues of the divinity of Jesus, etc., etc.
He, like others who possess his beliefs, state that Tabor explains that alongside his love for Judaism and his knowledge that the Jews are G-d’s chosen people, he believes the Jews are meant to be a minority in G-d’s divine plan, and he is comfortable with his place as a declared 'Ben Noah' or 'Noahide'. The belief in Israel’s mission to bring light to the world does not necessitate that everyone be Jewish, he says.
This comment is especially for Irene Wagner, and for Leighann, if they are reading.
147 - Dan(Miller)
Ruvy, aside from the fact that President Carter went to that village and talked with some of the people there, how is it different from the others villages which are to be "abandoned or changed over into Palestinian territory?"
Dan(Miller)
148 - Ruvy
The link for comment 146 is here.
149 - Ruvy
Dan,
Nevé Daniel is more of a suburban bedroom community than anything else. I have family there. It is across the highway from Efrat, a city, which is the center of a place called gush etzión or the Etzion Bloc of towns and villages. This group of towns and villages is located just near Bethlehem and stretches south of it. It is a large coherent bloc of towns and villages, rather unlike some of the other Jewish towns and villages either in Judea or Samaria.
It should be born in mind that Carter, for all the Arabs seem to have bought him out, is still a Bible-believing Christian, and "Efrat, which is Hebron" where Rachel died, has a reality for him that it does not have to Catholics, who center their faith in Rome, or to fallen away Christians, who have no real concept of the historicity of this country at all. It should be further remembered that it was Carter who sought out this visit. He was not invited.
So, there is more here than meets the eye.
150 - Ruvy
Look at it this way, Dan. If I were a pipe smoker, like I think you are, this would be quite the "three pipe problem" that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle afflicted Sherlock Holmes with occasionally.
151 - Cindy
Ah, I love Sherlock Holmes. (And Hercule Poirot too.)
152 - Dan(Miller)
Ruvy,
Yeah, it does seem present at least three three pipe problems:
The first is to understand why President Carter apparently came to the defense of the village, and as to that you may have hit the hammer on the head with the nail. The second is whether it will do any good for the village, and the third is whether it should.
I'll pass on the second problem, because my crystal ball was made in Venezuela, where quality control has not yet reached the giddy heights of perfection displayed in Chinese products, and pass on to the third.
If President Carter followed only his Christian religious instincts to arrive at his conclusion, then in the absence of some other basis, I don't think that his conclusion has a suitable predicate for the U.S. Government to adopt it. Great Zeus! Just think of the plethora of silly notions that the U.S. could adopt on such a basis.
If the U.S. Government is to involve itself in deciding whether villages should be destroyed or abandoned to the Palestinians, and if so which, shouldn't the bases of its involvement include the security of Israel, and all of the other points you have previously raised? Will it derail the "peace process" or require Israel to yield something even worse? Somehow, I doubt that those are of great importance to President Carter and that he will pay much attention to them in any discussions he may have with the current powers that be.
Dan(Miller)
153 - Ruvy
Dan,
It is hard to truly know the motivation of a man. For example, YitzHaq Rabin, the man assassinated at the behest of Mr. Peres, was a drunkard a good part of his life. But reliable sources had it that he was studying Torah at the end of his life, and actually beginning to change his life a bit. So, we cannot truly know, and it is dangerous to attempt to extrapolate too far. This leads down the road to satire but not necessarily wisdom or understanding.
154 - Ruvy
This is the essence of Netanyahu's speech up to 20:39 according to Ha'aretz. You need to read it from the bottom up.
20:39 Netanyahu: With God`s help we will know no more wars, only peace (Haaretz)
20:37 Netanyahu: We are committed to bringing back Gilad Shalit safe and sound (Haaretz)
20:37 Netanyahu: Israel will not negotiate with terrorists who wish to destroy it (Haaretz)
20:36 Netanyahu: Palestinians must choose between the path of peace and that of Hamas (Haaretz)
20:35 Netanyahu: Settlers aren`t enemies of peace, they are our brothers and sisters (Haaretz)
20:33 Netanyahu: Future Palestinian state must be dematerialized if peace is to arrive (Haaretz)
20:32 Netanyahu: We do not want a Palestinian state that can become a terrorist base (Haaretz)
20:30 Netanyahu: We want the two peoples to live peacefully side by side (Haaretz)
20:30 Netanyahu: We don`t want to govern Palestinians or force our culture on them (Haaretz)
20:29 Netanyahu: There wouldn`t have been a Holocaust if Israel had been formed (Haaretz)
20:27 Netanyahu: Jewish people`s link with Land of Israel has lasted for 3000 years (Haaretz)
20:26 Netanyahu: Israel assimilated thousands of Jewish refugees from Arab nations (Haaretz)
20:25 Netanyahu: Palestinian refugees must find solution outside Israel`s borders (Haaretz)
20:24 Netanyahu: Palestinian leaders must show integrity and courage to attain peace (Haaretz)
20:23 Netanyahu: Even moderate Palestinians will not recognize Israel as Jewish state (Haaretz)
20:22 Netanyahu: Israel`s withdrawal from Palestinian territories has not brought peace (Haaretz)
20:22 Netanyahu: The closer we get to an agreement, the farther the Palestinians retreat (Haaretz)
20:21 Netanyahu: West Bank does not stand at the center of dispute with Arab world (Haaretz)
20:20 Netanyahu: Root of the dispute is refusal to recognize Israel as Jewish state (Haaretz)
20:19 Netanyahu: We must ask ourselves why has peace not arrived after 60 years? (Haaretz)
20:18 Netanyahu: I don`t want war, no one wants war (Haaretz)
20:17 Netanyahu: We want both Israeli and Palestinian children to live without war (Haaretz)
20:15 Netanyahu: Financial efforts won`t come instead of peace, but will aid in its arrival (Haaretz)
20:15 Netanyahu: We want peace, in Damascus, in Riyadh in Beirut, and also in Jerusalem (Haaretz)
20:14 Netanyahu: After yesterday`s election, the Iranian threat is at its most dangerous (Haaretz)
20:13 Netanyahu at Bar Ilan: Meeting of extremist Islam and nukes is greatest threat (Haaretz)
20:12 Netanyahu: Iran, economic crisis, peace process are our greatest challenges (Haaretz)
155 - Bliffle
It's popular to ridicule Jimmy Carter, yet he's the only one to ever have effected a lasting peace agreement in the Middle east: the Egypt-Israel peace pact 30 years ago.
156 - Ruvy
It's popular to ridicule Jimmy Carter...
Frankly, madame, until this afternoon, Mr. Carter had only my contempt - just another damned Jew-hating cracker. But, there may be more to the man, yet. G-d has given him a long life. One is forced to wonder why.
157 - Ruvy
REACTION TO NETANYAHU'S SPEECH LAST NIGHT.
Netanyahu put on a consummate act, swallowing the poison while saying he was hedging it about with conditions. With all the conditions it was "just a little itty bitty bit of poison". The conditions will all disappear - only the phrase "two-state solution" will remain. Netanyahu is an expert at this kind of shit.
Talkback #141 at this Jerusalem Post article said it all.
HE BUCKLED! No leader can afford to play these kind of games with the future of his country. A REAL LEADER must do and say what is right, not to attempt to please everyone, much less foreign governments. His job is the protection Israel and - in spite of all the frosting on top - this was nothing but a speech of surrender. Israel will pay dearly for Netanyahu's words. And so will he because next time there won't be any reason for voting Likud. By trying to please everyone, Netanyahu has angered the majority of Israelis. Mr Netanyahu is accountable to Israeli voters - not to foreign powers. This is nothing but a travesty of democracy. The US government will continue to squeeze because they know Israel has surrendered.