From The Kansas City Star:
WASHINGTON - (KRT) - A hearing Thursday on a secret British intelligence memo that said President Bush was committed to waging war on Iraq months before he said so publicly ended with a request for Congress to open an inquiry into whether Bush should be impeached for misleading the nation.
Pinch me, I must be asleep.
And from the Independent (UK):
As American and Iraqi casualties on the ground mount relentlessly, President George Bush is in growing political trouble, with Republicans as well as Democrats questioning his handling of a war that has never been less popular here.
See, it's not just the Democrats just trying to cause trouble, folks. Even some Republicans can't put up with Bush's lies any longer.
More worrying for the White House, another sponsor is the North Carolina Republican Walter Jones, a strong backer of the invasion (and an author of the 2003 "freedom fries" campaign against France in Capitol Hill cafeterias).
Now if that isn't irony, I don't know what is.
In June 2002, a month before the British memo was written, 61 per cent of Americans favoured the forcible removal of Saddam Hussein, as the next stage of Mr Bush's "war on terror". Today, polls show that only 42 per cent say the war was worthwhile.
As I've said before, most Americans have trouble thinking for themselves.
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— go to most recent comments1 - Al Barger
This post is, frankly, just dumb and worthless. You're not making any argument or point. Screaming "liar, liar" at the top of your lungs doesn't make it so.
The stupid Downing memo means absolutely not a goddam thing. It does not provide any kind of evidence of anything. It merely represents the opinion of one British agent.
And the impeachment business, you just pulled that nonsense out of your ass. That's just pinko wishful thinking with not a shred of basis in fact.
2 - HW Saxton
"As I've said before most Americans have
trouble thinking for themselves"...
Uh,OK sure. And most Euros are qualified
to lecture us on our country,which they
know exactly Jack -fuckin'-shit about.
What little you actually know of the US
has been gleaned off of the TV and the
Internet. Which means you know about zip
diddley shit unless you believe most of
everything you see and hear on those,oh
so reliable sources chumlie.
3 - Dave Nalle
I wonder if he even knows what the qualifications for impeachment are. I tend to doubt it.
Dave
4 - me
> The stupid Downing memo means
> absolutely not a goddam thing.
> It does not provide any kind of
> evidence of anything.
It means everything. It proves what many of us have known all along, which is that Bush and his people lied their way into this war.
Bush: Saddam has WMDs.
Truth: No.
Bush: Saddam allied with al qaeda.
Truth: No.
Bush: Our soldiers will be greeted with flowers.
Truth: No.
Bush: Iraq's oil will pay for reconstruction.
Truth: No.
Bush: Saddam wouldn't let in the inspectors.
Truth: Yes he did.
Bush: Mission accomplished.
Truth: No.
Bush: I served honorably in the Guard.
Truth: You deserted.
Bush: I haven't made any mistakes.
Truth: You've made nothing but mistakes.
Bush: I haven't decided to go to war.
Truth via memo: Yes you did.
Bush: War is a last resort.
Truth via memo: War was your first and only choice.
Every single statement Bush has made about his war was not only wrong, but was the exact opposite of the truth.
Add that to his many other lies about many other topics - social security "crisis", the prescription drug bill, his tax cuts for campaign contributors, and you begin to realize that Bush is a person who is incapable of telling the truth.
5 - Randem
This is the beginning of the end for Bush. Who wants to bet me that the Democrats win back the Congress in '06 and impeach that jerk?
6 - Nancy
You forgot the rather outrageous contradictory lies about 'We're safer now because we're fighting the war, vs. 'we're in continuing danger from terrorists at home & abroad', blah blah blah. My rule of thumb w/Bush is, if his mouth is open, he's lying.
7 - Georgio
Nancy....hahahahaha..you said it all ..case closed..
8 - andy marsh
Eric - your site is starting to get infected wit hmoonbats!!!
9 - Temple Stark
One infection for another Andy. Don't like it? Whycome is that? :-)
10 - Mark Saleski
exactly. on the conservative side, there are no "moonbats", 'cus they're all using facts 'n stuff.
11 - Dave Nalle
Lord protect us from facts. Thank god they won't be necessary anymore when the Democrats get control of Congress.
Dave
12 - Mark Saleski
do they teach you that stuff at the ClicheClub meetings?
13 - andy marsh
well...between this one and the WTC conspiracy thread...makes me feel rather.....sane!
14 - Dave Nalle
I say let's impeach everyone who voted to allow the Iraq war. Then we could elect entirely new sets of Senators and Congressmen.
Dave
15 - Nancy
Oooo, Dave, I LIKE that idea! Impeach EVERYBODY complicit in the war, and start over! YES!
16 - Georgio
Dave ..where you for or against going to war...I totally agree with you..impeach them all and start over..but let's start with the American majority who believed Bush..
17 - Eric Olsen
I was for the war then and now because the Middle East needed an enema and Iraq was the most logical delivery point.
18 - Scott
"Lord protect us from facts. Thank god they won't be necessary anymore when the Democrats get control of Congress."
Yeah, Republicans obviously have no use for facts either.
I'm putting you on hyperbole alert, Mr. Nalle. No more crazy exaggerating.
19 - jmstettner
A few points:
1) the person responsible for the comment in the Downing Street Memo has yet to speak publicly about what he meant - so everyone is interpreting.
2) the definition of "fixed" in the context of the statement in the memo is not clear.
3) the use of the word "fixed" in England is somewhat different than how it is used in the US and it is being given its worst possible connotation.
3) the circumstantial evidence for Bush Lies is at best ephemeral. I put it to you that if Bush were the "evil genius" he's being made out to be, he would have arranged for WMD to have been found.
4) Hussein used WMD against the Khurds and the Iranians.
5) Mustard Gas and Sarin 155mm mortar rounds, Chemical Weapon rockets, and Weapons-class Biological agents have all been found in Iraq and not just by American forces.
6) Why were "pesticides" hidden in underground bunkers if they were only for agricultural use?
7) All of the reports (Duelfer, Kay, etc.) have documented the Hussein regime's plan to restart the Iraqi WMD program as soon as sanctions were lifted.
8) All the major intelligence agencies in the world INDEPENDENTLY found that Iraq had WMD - it wasn't just the CIA or Bush.
9) Bill Clinton and the Democrats in both houses of Congress (along with the Republicans) unanimously approved the Iraqi Liberation Act which set regime change in Iraq as official American foreign policy.
It seems clear to me that most of the people participating here are, for reasons only they can provide, ignoring the overwhelming evidence. This really comes as no surprise.
20 - SFC SKI
Not to mention the fact that we only know for certain about the presence of WMD in Iraq because we were finally able to go in there and not have to play Saddam's shell games.
21 - Dave Nalle
>>Dave ..where you for or against going to war...I totally agree with you..impeach them all and start over..but let's start with the American majority who believed Bush..<<
I'm for the objectives of the war and I'm for completing the war successfully. I'm not convinced that this war fought this way was the best way to achieve the objective, but now that it's the way we've chosen I'm for seeing it through.
Dave
22 - Dave Nalle
>> 3) the use of the word "fixed" in England is somewhat different than how it is used in the US and it is being given its worst possible connotation.<<
Not to mention that the wording is that of the author of the memo, not of anyone in the Bush administration. They may well have said 'assembled' or something much more longwinded and he chose to summarize it as 'fixed'.
Dave
23 - PseudoErsatz
"Screaming "liar, liar" at the top of your lungs doesn't make it so."
Oops! You hit upon the secret of winning arguments from the liberal point-of-view:
1) Scream.
2) Often.
3) Plug ears to critique.
4) Rinse.
5) Repeat.
24 - Nancy
If you add
6. Appeal to religion and bluster that anyone not in step with you is unAmerican and unpatriotic
Then you have the Republican secret of winning arguments. But they were always better at wrapping themselves in flags & dogma than lefties are.
25 - Al Barger
Nancy, I'll agree that Republicans are better at wrapping themselves in the flag, in that so many liberal Democrats HATE the country and denounce US at every possible turn. They'd much rather burn it than wrap themselves in it.