Lindsey Graham is definitely not a libertarian. I'm not sure he's even a Republican.
South Carolina is a peculiar state. It's managed to produce both Lindsey Graham and Mark Sanford, two politicians who come from the same place, but are literally like oil and water.…
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26 - roger nowosielski
I do agree with that - because it has been used so for political purposes.
27 - zingzing
baronius, the legacy of our government has been one of racial exploitation, and the republicans exploit race as much as anyone. they did it with blacks until blacks could vote, and they do it with whites;as much as they can. they still exploit race today.
just how the dems exploit race is hard to see in the numbers of minorities that vote democratic. when you say that, remember that you're also saying that black people (and women) are dumb. i think they can vote either way and they choose (rightly) to vote for the party that represents their interests.
so which is it? are you racist, or wrong?
28 - zingzing
dave: "Sure, the divide was on north-south grounds back in the 60s, but it manifested as a republican-democrat divide as well."
yeah, one in which 100% of southern republicans voted against it AND a higher percentage of northern republicans voted against it. either way you look at it, it's a n-s divide. you want to make it into some republicans pushing it in over the objections of dems, but that's just not the way it goes. i'm "excusing" the republicans on the grounds that this was a n-s fight, NOT one party's racism vs. the other's justness. (although the dems win that fight along n-s divisions as well.)
and the republicans moved down south as a part of the "southern strategy." it was pure racial exploitation, but it was white racists and gullible people (like you?) who fell for it.
"It's more a case of Zing being delusional and deliberately making no effort to understand anything I say."
of course, you understand that i could say the same thing about you. we believe in different things, some of the time, and both our views of history, etc, are slanted by those beliefs. at least i'm not arrogant enough to deny it. but i'd bet you will.
29 - Baronius
Zing, the Republican Party was created to overthrow slavery. A Republican president wrote the Emancipation Proclamation, and a Republican Congress passed the constitutional amendments. The Democratic Party was the party of slavery, and became the party of the Klan. Ike integrated the military, and as you documented, the Republicans carried the day for civil rights legislation. The Democrats have subsequently switched sides, but not ideology, as they promote discrimination through quotas. Only the Republicans stand for equality under the law.
30 - Baronius
"are you racist, or wrong?"
I don't believe I'm either. I am intellectually consistent, though. I believe that it was stupid to vote for Obama, therefore I believe that most blacks voted stupidly. It would be condescending to excuse anyone for that vote based on his race.
31 - Clavos
Doug Hunter (#14),
Excellent comment!
Dead on.
32 - Dave Nalle
This statement "the legacy of the Republican party has always been one of liberty" is somewhat questionable, I'd think, if only because the privilege of liberty was accorded only to some. So you would need to qualify it, I think.
It's not a matter of the championing of liberty changing, but of the definition of who was a citizen being redefined over time.
Dave
33 - roger nowosielski
Clavos, #31.
Maybe so. But it looks like Doug should be a bit more specific about the "freedom to do wrong." Does it mean everything and anything that's not right?
34 - roger nowosielski
Dave,
Are you saying now that extending the notion of liberty to those who ought to have enjoy it, or championing that idea, aren't important?
Roger
35 - Horace Mungin
So, looking at the numbers that Zinging provided, I may not have been on vacation afterall and though I'm sure that Roger was born yet, Dave may heve spent the decade high on Barry Goldwater.
36 - roger nowosielski
Horace, we're the same age, still alive, thank goodness.
37 - zingzing
baronius: "Zing, the Republican Party was created to overthrow slavery. A Republican president wrote the Emancipation Proclamation, and a Republican Congress passed the constitutional amendments. The Democratic Party was the party of slavery, and became the party of the Klan. Ike integrated the military, and as you documented, the Republicans carried the day for civil rights legislation. The Democrats have subsequently switched sides, but not ideology, as they promote discrimination through quotas. Only the Republicans stand for equality under the law."
just repeating for comedic effect.
38 - Dave Nalle
Dave may heve spent the decade high on Barry Goldwater.
I'm still tripping on some Goldwater vibrations.
Dave
39 - Baronius
Zing, I've got another joke for you: the sky is blue.
If I wanted to, I could have made that earlier post even longer, talking about the Reconstruction and Jim Crow laws. I could have pointed out that southern Democrats were sick of the anti-war Left before any Republican uttered the phrase "southern strategy". I could point out how much quicker you are to notice 11 southern Republican nays than the 107 from the southern Dems. I could...eh. If you prefer Taney and Byrd as race heroes over Lincoln and Eisenhower, why should I bother?
40 - Tony K.
Horace Mungin
May 19, 2009 at 1:53 pm
"Tell me a the name of one Republican champion of civil rights..."
... Martin Luther King, Jr.
41 - Horace Mungin
Tony K.
That was a serious question - none of the serious commentators here can come up with one and you're joking.
42 - Clavos
Actually, he's not. Google it. MLK was a registered Republican.