Despite the claims of the media and politicians the Obama-Hitler posters actually come from the far left.
On the Sunday morning talk shows, especially NBC's Meet the Press, there was a great deal of talk about the ongoing protests at health care town hall events. One of the issues repeatedly raised was the display of signs with images of President Obama as Hitler or comparing him to Hitler. To my surprise, the representatives of the political right who were generally sympathetic to the protesters largely failed to speak out and set the record straight on this issue.…
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76 - Dan
What planet was it on where Barney Frank said to Bush administration regulators oversight attempts:
"These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis, The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."
That would have been a good comeback from that hot LaRouche girl.
Perhaps she did say that. I could'nt read her lips after her microphone was cut.
77 - zingzing
"that hot LaRouche girl."
ha. i was thinking she was kinda cute for such an ignoramus. stupid is stupid, but cute is cute.
78 - Clavos
If they're cute, stupid is better -- they won't want to talk afterward.
79 - Cindy
exits the thread, trying not to touch anything on the way out...
80 - zingzing
that's the dream we all dream of. the world series of love.
81 - Dave Nalle
Perhaps she did say that. I could'nt read her lips after her microphone was cut.
She probably said something about the eevil joos.
Dave
82 - Dave Nalle
what about the weak-willed righties who split?
Fuck 'em?
Dave
83 - handyguy
Re: Dan, #76, grasping at straws:
Barney Frank said that in Sept 2003, and at the time Fannie and Freddie were not in crisis, although they had just been through an accounting scandal.
And the Republicans at the time controlled the White House and both houses of Congress, so whatever Frank said, he had no power to derail regulation.
The House and Senate passed different versions of the proposed regulation in 2005, two years later [fast work fellas!], but the two bills were never reconciled.
I don't think you can pin that on Barney.
The regulation, even if it had passed, would not have stopped the worst abuses at Freddie and Fannie, which involved high-risk derivatives trading -- which they did in imitation of investment banks [successfully raking in millions via derivatives], in order to keep their stock prices high.
The housing bubble and the billions it made for executives at investment banks and at Fannie and Freddie were just getting revved up in fall 2003.
That disaster in the making had many fathers, and many warnings went unheeded. Trying to blame it on one person, or accusing one person among hundreds, or thousands, of being insufficiently worried or prescient about what was then a potential future crisis, is just partisan tunnel vision.
84 - Baronius
Handy, tunnel vision still lets you see the guy in the middle, and that was Frank.
85 - handyguy
How? How was he in the middle?
If passing Fannie/Freddie regulation was so important in 2003, why couldn't the GOP get it done?
86 - Dan
"Barney Frank said that in Sept 2003, and at the time Fannie and Freddie were not in crisis, although they had just been through an accounting scandal."
Yes of course, manipulating accounting proceedures to mislead investors, and a grotesque escalation in outstanding debt to 1.5 trillion, (that's fifteen hundred billion) is positively nothing to be concerned about. What were those silly Republicans thinking? Probably trying to cheat poor people out of affordable housing.
Frank spent years blocking GOP lawmakers from imposing tougher regulations on the two mortgage giants that were at the epicenter of the financial crisis.
Even President Clinton’s Department of Housing and Urban Development tried to impose a new regulation on Fannie, but was thwarted by Frank, who's boyfriend was a top executive for seven years at Fannie. (not to be confused with the boyfriend who ran a prostitution ring from Franks house, which, on planet Barney, Frank had no responsibility for either).
Clinton, in a rare moment of atypical honesty said "I think the responsibility that the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was president, to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac"
It's a curious standard of blame when Republicans are responsible for not stopping Democrats from doing what Democrats do.
I suppose that when Social Security tanks Bush can be blamed for not being able to get his SS reforms through the Democrat gauntlet.
Zing Zing is right, the LaRouche girl is cute, not hot. I mispoke. Although perhaps not an ignoramous. Maybe just a little youthful idealism.
87 - handyguy
The Republican Senate and the Republican House passed incompatible regulation bills in 2005. They were unable to reconcile them even by the end of 2006, three years after the effort started.
Somehow you attribute this to one Democrat, when the Dems were a minority in the House from 1995 through 2006, unable to control legislation [unlike in the Senate, where the minority party can slow or stop legislation more readily].
But I'll let Mr. Frank, considerably smarter and wittier than Dan or myself, defend his own honor:
"Apparently those Republicans parroting these right-wing talking points believe that I had some heretofore undisclosed power over first Newt Gingrich and then Tom DeLay, which allowed me to keep them from passing legislation they wanted to pass.
If that had been true, I would have used that power to block the impeachment of Bill Clinton in the House, the war in Iraq, large tax cuts for the very wealthy, the intrusion into the sad case of Terri Schiavo, and appropriations bills that badly underfunded important social priorities."
88 - handyguy
One other thing: Frank introduced his own Fannie/Freddie reform bill when the Dems took over in 2007. It passed the House in May but was never taken up by the Senate. Some of the provisions were added to a different bill that was signed by Bush in July 2008 -- merely 5 years after reform had been proposed -- and apparently too late to stop the deluge.
89 - Silas Kain
exits the thread, trying not to touch anything on the way out...
You touched me, Cindy.
90 - Dan
"Somehow you attribute this to one Democrat..."
Did not. I only quoted Franks other worldly denial of a crisis at a crucial point in the making of disaster.
There were other players involved, most Democrats. Oh, and some "non-partisan" players like ACORN. The entire fiasco is testament to the destructive power of warped social engineering schemes conceived of and perpetrated by entrenched liberal bureaucrats.
Of which the old and increasingly discredited liberal news media is derelict in their reportage.
The hearings for these regulatory proceedings are indelibly video recorded for posterity. It's not like the evidence can be stuffed in Sandy Bergers socks.
91 - Glenn Contrarian
Dave -
You posted: "BC's reputation is for leaning too far left politically, thereby alienating more conservative participants."
Never mind that - as Roger pointed out - conservatives are posting at least (and probably more) frequently than the liberals.
And your articles include:
"Democrats are sending in the shills"
Never mind the army of HMO/Big Pharma lobbyists, the imported neo-con attack dogs showing up at town hall meetings pretending to be local.
"Democrats are sending in the thugs"
Have any liberals shown up at town hall meetings with guns? No, that seems to be the sole province of conservatives.
"Will Obamacare sentence grandma to death?"
Never mind that private health care companies have been rationing health care for decades - it's okay if they sentence grandma to death, but if we listen to the neo-cons we must assume that the oh-so-evil government will do it to a far greater extent.
Dave, I don't post so much anymore because you and most of the other conservatives here have made it plain that you will ignore reality, that you will (falsely) accuse liberals of doing what the neo-cons have been doing for years...
...and it's like I pointed out before - to the conservatives, it really is all about power, about doing whatever it takes to win, and that the ends justify the means.
But I feel quite certain that when it comes to human nature, in the bell-curve distribution of peoples' degree of desire for power for power's sake, the greater one's desire for personal power, the further to the right one's political leanings will be...and the lesser one's desire for personal power, the further to the left one's political leanings will be.
You'll vehemently disagree with that, I know. You'll call it naive and perhaps to (wrongly) point out communist dictatorships as proof against, at which point I'd show you proof that such communist dictatorships are (except when it comes to religion and a few social services) more often far-right than far-left.
Personal power is far more important to you and Clavos and the other conservatives on BC...and far less important to Roger, myself, Cindy, and the other liberals. Even a cursory examination of our writings should show you that.
But I've got to leave for now - be back in a few weeks if my livelihood permits.
92 - Dave Nalle
Never mind the army of HMO/Big Pharma lobbyists, the imported neo-con attack dogs showing up at town hall meetings pretending to be local.
Except that there is ZERO evidence of any of this actually happening. It's entirely fabricated by the media and the left, while the evidence of uniformed SEIU and ACORN thugs is abundant.
"Democrats are sending in the thugs"
Have any liberals shown up at town hall meetings with guns? No, that seems to be the sole province of conservatives.
And didn't happen until AFTER conservative protesters were physically assaulted by union thugs.
"Will Obamacare sentence grandma to death?"
Never mind that private health care companies have been rationing health care for decades - it's okay if they sentence grandma to death, but if we listen to the neo-cons we must assume that the oh-so-evil government will do it to a far greater extent.
You might want to READ this article. It concludes that Obamacare does not, in fact, include death panels.
Dave, I don't post so much anymore because you and most of the other conservatives here have made it plain that you will ignore reality, that you will (falsely) accuse liberals of doing what the neo-cons have been doing for years...
Sorry, that's just partisan bullshit. Find a better excuse.
...and it's like I pointed out before - to the conservatives, it really is all about power, about doing whatever it takes to win, and that the ends justify the means.
Sorry, that's another cop out. That is a trait shared in common by the politically ambitious on both sides of the aisle.
But I feel quite certain that when it comes to human nature, in the bell-curve distribution of peoples' degree of desire for power for power's sake, the greater one's desire for personal power, the further to the right one's political leanings will be...and the lesser one's desire for personal power, the further to the left one's political leanings will be.
I'd love to see some data confirming this, because everything I've seen suggests that the desire for power has no relationship to expressed ideology. Notice I didn't go partisan on this issue as you did. I don't excuse the power-mad on the right or dismiss them as not existing, but you seem to be wearing blinders when it comes to your coreligionists and their love of power.
Personal power is far more important to you and Clavos and the other conservatives on BC...and far less important to Roger, myself, Cindy, and the other liberals. Even a cursory examination of our writings should show you that.
You sound like you haven't read anything Clavos or I or others have ever written. We're not concerned about political power. We're concerned about principles and truth -- essential rights and protecting people from abusive government. You really are shockingly clueless.
Dave
But I've got to leave for now - be back in a few weeks if my livelihood permits.
93 - handyguy
#90, Dan:
I've said all I need to say about the specifics of this, but I do note that Dan responds to only one line of a detailed rebuttal, and still blames only Dems, liberals, Acorn, and the media...when it was the GOP-controlled government that failed to act. He doesn't even acknowledge, much less respond to that central fact.
This boilerplate ‘argument’ turns up all too frequently around here and elsewhere. It runs, more or less: "Acorn, Barney Frank, Acorn, liberal media bias, Acorn, damn Democrats, Acorn. So there! Nyah-nyah! Proved it!"
I guess I should just laugh, because that's all this deserves.
94 - Dan
Handyguy, I'm content with my say on the specifics of the thing as well. The rest of your "detailed rebuttal" appears to be a couple of paragraphs of Barney babble.
It does seem instructive to note the chronological development of the snit you are engaged in, and how it is somewhat typical of discussions between Conservatives and liberals here at BC:
1) (subject matter): Barney attacks cute LaRouche girl with hitlerbama sign questioning her planetary perspective.
2) Dan suggests snappy retort for cute LaRouche girl with quote from Barney engaged in false, strident testimony to thwart regulators from addressing the result of liberal corruption in government sponsered mortgage lenders, thus emphasizing the uncertainty of Barney's own planetary orientation. (possibly Uranus)
3) Handyguy is then piqued to argue against the apparent assumption that claim has been made for Barney to be the sole, and exclusive party responsible for the collapse of government sponsered mortgage giants, and ensuing financial crisis.
4) Handyguy rants on about "boilerplate 'argument'", "Acorn, Barney Frank, Acorn, liberal media bias, Acorn, damn Democrats, Acorn. So there! Nyah-nyah! Proved it!"
5) Handyguy contemplates laughing.
6) Dan is now laughing.
7) Everybody happy!
95 - Dave Nalle
I'm crying...
96 - Diningroomtable
I hear that Frank is particularly bigoted when it comes to oak.
97 - Kevoh
all I heard for YEARS was Bush was hitler, no outrage from anyone. Now the shoes on the other foot and listen to them whine and cry.
98 - Diningroomtable
Obama is Hitler. Just look at his long form birth certificate.
99 - Silas Kain
Today is the 234th anniversary of Britain's King George III proclaiming the American colonies in a state of "open and avowed rebellion." The more things change, the more they stay the same.
100 - Mark Edward Manning
Of course those posters come from the far Left. Obama hasn't turned out to be quite the messiah of their dreams and they don't think he will be, so ... presto! Obama is Hitler -- it's just typical of the way the far Left think.
I think they also have a slogan with these posters: "I've changed my mind" or something like that!
101 - zingzing
"it's just typical of the way the far Left think."
yeah, i agree. right now, i'm disappointed that the sun is creating so much heat. the sun is hitler. i'm also disappointed in my fan for not generating enough airflow throughout my room. hitler. there's a bottle of water on my desk that has gone warm. whippin out me sharpie and drawing a little mustache on it. i was really enjoying this book, but it's too short. the too-short book is a little adolf. my coffee was a little weak this morning. just think of what it would do to the jews. my razor blade is getting a bit dull. put that fucker on trial at nurermburg.
102 - handyguy
zing, when you are on target you are indispensable. rotflmao
103 - zingzing
well, with mark, it's kinda like peeing into the atlantic... can't really miss...
(by which i mean, mark is an extremely large toilet.)
104 - Val MacEwan
Stephen Colbert nailed the farce last week. See last week's recap.
Friday, August 21, 2009
Recap - Week of 8/17/09
Stephen compares Obama to Hitler, previews Archie's upcoming wedding and defends his constitutional right to be irrational.
105 - Cindy
Afterbirthers Demand To See Obama's Placenta
This is the best place I could think of to put this. :-)
106 - roger nowosielski
Can this really be true?
107 - roger nowosielski
Check this out, Cindy:
It's all over the world.
108 - Clavos
@ 106,
Um, Roger, it's The Onion.
@ 107,
She should have known better than to do that in Bucharest.
109 - roger nowosielski
I was kidding. We were getting it weekly, I believe it's a Berkeley publication. Some stuff is really hilarious.
All Romanians are an odd breed - I think they're trying too hard to pass for Italians or French. There I go with my stereotypes.
One should think however that Eastern Europe was approaching the ideals of an open society, but I guess not. In a sense, some of the ethnic prejudices and biases are more deeply entrenched there than in the West proper.
110 - zingzing
roger: "I believe it's a Berkeley publication."
if you're referring to the college/town, you're not quite there. it's from wisconsin (at madison, but wisconsin, nonetheless). but now it's pretty much a nationwide thing. offices all over. based out of chicago, i believe.
111 - roger nowosielski
Wow, I could have sworn it was out of Berkeley. They must have a heckuva distribution system.