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76 - Ruvy
Silas,
to believe that God has imposed a set of stringent rules by which we all are to live seems contrary to the teachings of Christ and other great Prophets.
To repeat: for the vast majority of mankind, the only rules that apply are the Seven Noahide Laws. The 613 commandments that I am bound by do not bind you or others who are not Children of Israel. Seven commandments, not ten, and they are not all that hard to follow, if you really want to.
Once you knock the idea of the divinity of Jesus out of the box, you and I do not disagree on a whole lot of things theologically. But, given that you are a New Englander, this is an example of how the Noahide Laws might affect you.
You would not be allowed to boil lobsters alive. you could kill them, and then boil them and eat them, but boiling them alive goes against the 7th Noahide Law of humane treatment of animals. The fact that they are not kosher and forbidden to the Children of Israel is irrelevant and unimportant, as you are not one of us.
Whatever the Ultimate Divine Plan may be, I hope that humanity has advanced to such a degree that we can finally rise above cultural and religious barriers to a point where there can be peaceful, positive coexistence.
One of the features of messianic redemption, as described in Jewish literature, is the destruction of the evil inclination. My own personal view is that this is primarily materialism and exploitation of others on the one hand, and dishonoring other people on the other. So, after the wars of the messiah, and after G-d has judged humanity, the remnant, will not engage in either, and despite differences and disagreements, will rise above the cultural and religious barriers to coesixt peacefully. It is my opinion (and I have to emphasize that I am no scholar of any kind in Jewish law) that the latter verses of Isaiah deal largely with this.
77 - Irene Wagner
I never liked watching lobsters being boiled alive.
I'd always volunteer for the job of melting the butter and squeezing lemon juice into it.
You were in the restaurant 'biz for awhile, Ruvy, and maybe you could answer this. Now that I've gotten totally in the mood for lobster, could you please recommend a way of killing a crustacean that's more humane than boiling it?
78 - Franco
#74 Lisa Solod Warren
I was thinking of it in another way, so you missed my point.
I was only alluding to her county way of speaking at times in making association with these others who did much of that themselves and they were elite’s. My assertion was only that they would identify with her words and not make fun of them like the elite's of today.
It appears to me that it is only the elite making a negative point out how she chooses her words or phrases at times.
Palin doing this does not bother me. I have worked and lived in various parts of the US and Canada and there are distinct word fraises and accents. Especially in BC and the Yukon that are similar to Palin’s.
"Palin drops her "gs" at the end of her words, uses silly phrases that people think are folksy and people find her natural and earthy and not elite (again, as if elite is a bad thing?)
Only if making a point out of it as a disqualifying feature. Which is what I hear you doing.
C'mon, guys..... even middle American isn't going to fall for fake folksiness..... and if they are, G-d help them.
You call it fake folksiness. Well, here again, I don’t think it’s fake for resons I stated above. But you have full right to your opinion, and you seem hell bent on making a mountain out of a mole hill claiming it is, so knock yourself out.
Care to comment on anything else I assert in post #51?
79 - Silas Kain
Irene, I always drive a sharp pointed knife in between the eyes of a lobster before dropping it into boiling water. I fold up the tail and hold tight while putting in the knife. To me this is far more humane. If I'm broiling or stuffing and baking, I usually just cut down the center, clean it out, stuff it and off to the oven it goes without boiling. Hope that helps and complies with Ruvy's methods (if any).
Thanks, Ruvy, for your earlier reply. I live about 6 miles from where the Salem witchcraft trials were held and this month is the horrible month. I'm sure the Fundamentalists will be in town soon to start screaming for additional burnings at the stake.
80 - RJ Elliott
I think people who go to a seafood restaurant and pick a live lobster out of a tank, knowing that the poor creature is to be boiled alive and then served to them as dinner in a matter of minutes, are pretty damn cruel. And I'm no PETA member.
If you live out in the woods and are hungry, and so you shoot a deer and kill it quickly and cleanly, that's one thing. People have to eat, and we aren't hard-wired to be vegans, so we need some meat.
But if you're just some rich guy who's trying to impress a date by taking her out to a fancy, expensive restaurant and then choosing to kill a helpless creature in a thoroughly horrific manner for a meal that isn't even all that filling ... well, I just can't really relate. I'd rather eat a cheese-and-mustard sandwich in a park and talk to the gal while experiencing some of Mother Nature's goodness. And if that doesn't impress her, then I guess I'm not much impressed, either.
Perhaps that's why I'm still single? :-/
81 - Colin
Salvador Dali, I believe, kept pet lobsters which he would walk on leads, like dogs.
I think Salvador would enjoy your crazy election too - that Palin choice is extraordinary, but, I think it might well work. (Please note, I'm British, in Britain, and have no vote etc, etc, and quite possibly should butt out, but I'm just opining for what it's worth.)
Has no-one thought that many, many, people would like a politician who is one of them?
Anyway, take care. . .
82 - Ruvy
Irene,
I sold Whopper sandwiches for a living. I am as much a chef as I am a rocket scientist. Any method that kills the lobster that is humanitarian and relatively painless will probably do the job.
Your question would be good for a Noahide mashgiaH - a person charged with seeing to it that the killing of animals is done in a humane fashion, and that the blood is drained from cattle and the other more sentient creatures killed. Unfortunately, such a person does not exist - yet.
When I get home, I can raise this question on a Noahide list I belong to, and see if I get any answers.
83 - Irene Wagner
The family pet is a cat, Colin, I doubt they'd get along. But if we DID put the lobster on a leash, its claws clipped with rubber bands, and let kitty's hunting instinct take over...I think the problem's solved, Ruvy. It might even be a solution RJ Eliot could live with.
No one killed animals for food before the fall, Ruvy. I wonder if it will be like that during the Messianic Age. Hmm. But until then, Silas, I think your method of preparing lobster seems like the most workable.
But I'm SORRY, SO SORRY for getting off topic! I suppose I should really be talking about how to roast VENISON on this thread!
84 - Ruvy
Actually, Irene, the appropriate topic here is to discuss MOOSE recipes. For non-Jews, the only reauirement that Noahide laws place on them is that the moose be killed humanely, and that the blood be drained from it before cooking.....