We must cleanse the Republican Party of the moderates who stand in the way of party unity and purity.
With the election of 2008 already days behind us, it’s time to shift our focus to the election of 2012. The main order of business now is to rid the Republican Party of the few remaining moderates who stand in the way of party unity and party purity.…
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176 - Ruvy
It was directed to the don't-know-it all groovy Ruvy. I just didn't feel like addressing him. And his comments seem to be written for an effect along the lines of an boxer or a person who waits in the alley, nay a voyeur.
How he thinks he knows what like is like here for black men and people in general is beyond me. Even if he lived here before, which I doubt, what hubris, what nerve.
And Ruvy says that Hitler wrote one when he was a nobody, too!
Obviously neither of you read what I wrote at comment #155.
For your edification: This article came to me without a URL. I used this as my referent point. You read it and decide for yourself. Admittedly, the "psychoanalyzing" of someone from a distance is a dangerous thing to attempt, but the evidence is there. As for dealing with narcissists, I damned near shacked up with one thirty five years ago and am grateful I did not. I couldn't belive how much of that girl-fiend pun unintendedI saw in this article.
Understanding Obama: The Making of a Fuehrer
By Ali Sina
All that you wish to call hauteur, voyeurism, arrogance, hubris and crystal clear meth logic is found in the article. I used it as a referent point. I do not necessarily accept it as gospel.
So, zing, don't stick words in my mouth I did noit utter.
Finally, Heloïse, I was born on 11 September 1951, at Manhattan General Hospital, now part of the Mt. Sinai Medical Complex. I grew up in Brooklyn, living for a number of years in both the Bronx or Manhattan. I moved to the State of Israel on 4 September, 2001. My fiftieth birthday was spent in a pizza parlor on ben-Yehuda Street in Jerusalem watching Moslem terrorists destroy the tallest building of the city of my birth.
I spent a number of years on the Board of Directors of an anti-poverty organization that had been put together by blacks in St. Paul in the 1960's under the aëgis of the Great Society. I got my understanding of blacks from these people, hard working, brave, tough civil rights pioneers in the city of St. Paul.
I don't give a rat's ass whether you or your past lives believe me or not. Nor do I give a rat's ass whether you wish to engage me or not. It is not my problem.
What I did see in St. Paul was a huge amount of hatred and rancor towards white people by many blacks, which often expressed itself as a "hate success" syndrome. I saw a third grader busted for selling drugs in my childrens' public school.
I look at the Ethiopian kids who live here who struggle against the discrimination of the rich Ashkenazi elite - the kind of peole Rahm Emanuel hangs out with - and I see tough, hard-working kids building a society that they can call HOME - instead of starving in a land where they are called Falasha - STRANGER. They do not have a hate-success syndrome, in spite of the barriers that rich white bigots in Israel put in their way.
So, it is clear that a hate-success syndrome is not endemic to blacks. It's not an issue of melanin, it's an issue of culture. Fanned by the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright - along with the hate-authority lyrics of a lot of hip-hop songs - well, there it is.
You want to call that analysis racist, hubris, nerve? Go ahead. Scream all you want. But there are also people like Bill Cosby expressing the point of view of the disappointed elders of the anti-poverty agency I worked with in St. Paul. I learn from them. I would hardly call Bill Cosby an anti-black bigot. You can if you wish, Heloïse. That's your privilege.
Have a pleasant Monday.
177 - Zedd
Doc,
"Is there something in my comments over the years that would make you think that your statement was too deep for me to comprehend?
Frankly, yes."
That's disappointing. Thought you had better insight.
"None of the other royals used their position for good.
Again, a ridiculous assertion."
You missed what I was saying (doing). Another disappointment. Maybe next time. It couldn't be that you feel cornered and are all in a tizzy. The dialogue wasn't all that serious. Perhaps you are having a bad streak or are stressed. It happens. Perhaps it's the prop 8 thing. You get all irrational when that issue comes up.
178 - Dr Dreadful
[shrugs]
179 - Baronius
Glenn - Heh. Crystal meth logic.
180 - Ruvy
Glenn - Heh. Crystal meth logic.
You mean I attacked zing when I should have gone after Glenn? My bad. Thasnks for noticing Baronius.
Correction to comment #176
Understanding Obama: The Making of a Fuehrer
By Ali Sina|
All that you wish to call hauteur, voyeurism, arrogance, hubris and crystal clear meth logic is found in the article. I used it as a referent point. I do not necessarily accept it as gospel.
So, Glenn, don't stick words in my mouth I did not utter.
181 - Glenn Contrarian
Clavos, Ruvy -
Tell you what - why don't the two of you look up "Dreams of My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope" and see if these are TWO autobiographies.
"The Audacity of Hope" is, according to the Wikipedia, "a book-length account that expanded upon many of the same themes he originally addressed in the convention speech." And as with any political book you care to name, contains descriptions of the author's experience and the lessons he or she learned from such experience. This does NOT make it an 'autobiography'.
But doe this matter to you? Of course not - you've made up your minds (on NO evidence that could stand up in court or in the light of history) that he's a narcissist.
And WHY have you made up your minds that he's a narcissist?
Easy. The 'Arab' label didn't stick. Neither did the 'elitist', 'jew-hating', or 'terrorist' labels. You gotta find something, and 'narcissist' is the accusation du jour.
Guess you're in the middle of finding out how much fun it is when the other side's got a 'Teflon president'....
182 - Clavos
Sorry to disappoint you Glenn, my lack of interest in Obama's life or the dreams of his father is total...
I said he's egocentric, with lots of hubris. Just the fact he ran for president is evidence enough of that.
I did NOT say he's a narcissist; what I actually did say was:
Perhaps it's not narcissism as defined in the DSM-IV, and perhaps no psychiatrist would diagnose him as such, but he is certainly egocentric.
I'm really not interested in pinning any labels on him other than president of the USA, which I've heard will actually be his title in a few weeks.
This whole discussion with you bores me, Glenn. Go play with some of the other kids.
183 - Clavos
his dreams...
184 - Ruvy
Glenn,
I found out how much fun it was when the "other" side had a teflon president when Rotten Ronnie was elected. He started America down the road to disaster by not raising holy hell when your country slipped into debtor status. Having a prick like George HW Bush for a VP didn't help much either.
I never accused Obama of being an Arab, or a Moslem or a terrorist, either. He might have had terrorists who supported him - indeed Hamas endorsed him originally - but I never said he was a terrorist.
The issue of his birth place remains one for a court to decide. Responses are due Justice Souter on a certiorari application on 1 December. I personally prefer that he not be disqualified. I want him for president - a fact that continually slips you by, Glenn.
His appointments and advisors - particularly the informal ones - indicate an anti-Israel tilt that under the proper circumstances could easily turn anti-Jewish. All these have nothing to do with narcissism. I happened to run across the article I forwarded because you demanded some proof of an allegation of narcissism. The article resonated with me. It made sense. It's a tad alarmist in its wording - but it makes sense.
The point about his books is not that they are bad - Obama appears to be a gifted writer. The point is that they are about HIM.
Like you, Glenn, I believe in G-d. I believe that Obama is here for a purpose. He first made the national spotlight on Tish'a b'Av, a day that is the day of disaster for Jews. These things have significance, in my eyes. It is not mere coincidence that he became a national candidate that day (the response to him certainly indicated to him the possibility), nor is it mere coincidence that he was able to effectively steal the nomination away from Hillary Clinton, who began running for president on 21 January 2001.
Exactly what his Divinely appointed purpose is, I don't know.
But I don't have to like him. And I don't. I don't have to trust him. And I don't.
185 - Glenn Contrarian
Clavos -
"Ruvy has a point about Obama's narcissism. Perhaps it's not narcissism as defined in the DSM-IV, and perhaps no psychiatrist would diagnose him as such, but he is certainly egocentric. How many people have written not one, but two autobiographies?"
You said you didn't call him a narcissist, but the context above CLEARLY shows otherwise. You'll deny it, of course...but I've long since gotten used to those who don't want to take responsibility for the words they post....
186 - Clavos
Ruvy has a point about Obama's narcissism. Perhaps it's not narcissism as defined in the DSM-IV, and perhaps no psychiatrist would diagnose him as such, but he is certainly egocentric. How many people have written not one, but two autobiographies?
You said you didn't call him a narcissist, but the context above CLEARLY shows otherwise
You must have learned to read in government schools, Glenn.
My statement you quote (it's not a context) concludes that, while Ruvy has a point about Obama's narcissism, it isn't narcissism, but egocentricity.
And I stand by that observation.
187 - Glenn Contrarian
WRONG!
You did NOT preface Ruvy's statement with "while", and by failing to do so you lend support and NOT a caveat to Ruvy's statement.
And you DID preface your statements about diagnosis and psychiatrists with "perhaps"...as in MAYBE they wouldn't diagnose it as such, BUT - and then you give the SINGLE MOST CRUCIAL symptom of a narcissist.
The lack of a caveat or refutation strongly implies support.
The use of "perhaps...but" and the following use of the single most crucial symptom makes your context glaringly obvious.
IOW, you got caught and you're trying to wiggle out of it. Give it up, Clavos...or do like I've done on many occasions and do a mea culpa - and find out that most people (particularly liberals) are pretty forgiving when someone says "sorry, my bad".
188 - Clavos
Not going to happen, Glenn. I know what I said, and I stand by the comment that the dude is egocentric; an egotist.
I don't need you "forgiving" me.
189 - Glenn Contrarian
And one more thing -
"My statement you quote (it's not a context) concludes that...."
Um, Clavos, EVERY statement has 'a context'. 'Context' is the relevant constraints of the communicative situation that influence language use, language variation and discourse.
Perhaps you should not denigrate someone else's edjimication (that's 'education' for those what didn't get their learnin' real good like I wuz in a poverty-ridden, major'ty-NEgro, welfare-luvin, guv'mint-run Southern school in the Mississippi Delta 'cross the road from the cotton field) until you are more conversant with the subjects at hand.
Doggone it, now where'd I put that there Jeff Foxworthy eight-track tape? Mebbe it's back in the John Deere I ran inta the ditch over by Jones' bayou. I'd better go get it afore some sumbichin' redneck gets it fust....
190 - Clavos
Glenn,
You say:
EVERY statement has 'a context'.
True. "Has," Glenn, not "is."
And BTW, not every statement does have a context; a stand alone statement, for example, lacks a context.
Merriam-Webster online defines context (of language) as:
the parts of a discourse that surround a word or passage and can throw light on its meaning
191 - Glenn Contrarian
Clavos -
You cannot take your statement as 'stand-alone', for within that statement you referred to someone else's statement. Moreover, your statement is but a small part of the debate on this topic and it is colored by the context of the other statements you (and others (including myself)) have made.
Still wiggling, huh? Better to refuse the obvious than to admit error, huh? Admit it, Clavos - you made a mistake, just like we all do. You're human. To continue to try to wiggle out of this one only reflects poorly upon you, whereas a simple dose of humility by admitting error will do wonders for your self-esteem.
192 - Dave Nalle
And BTW, not every statement does have a context; a stand alone statement, for example, lacks a context.
I disagree. In addition to the context within the document in which a statement is written or the situation where it is uttered, all statements have broader social and situational context including who made the statement, his background and other influences in the environment in which the statement is made.
For example, there's a huge difference between a white man shouting "dumb nigger" out the window of his car and Chris Rock saying it on stage. The words are the same, but the situational context is very different.
Dave
193 - Clavos
You cannot take your statement as 'stand-alone',...
I didn't; i was suggesting an example (not mine).
...for within that statement you referred to someone else's statement. Moreover, your statement is but a small part of the debate on this topic and it is colored by the context of the other statements you (and others (including myself)) have made.
True, Glenn. But it's a statement, not a context. You're still missing my point.
You said: "but the context above CLEARLY shows otherwise." In reference to my statement.
To which I replied: "My statement you quote (it's not a context) concludes that..." meaning that the statement in and of itself, is not its own context; it is simply a statement.
BTW, why do you mention, when referring to the school you attended that it was "major'ty-NEgro,..." Does that matter to you?
194 - Glenn Contrarian
On your last question, I said that - as the CONTEXT clearly shows - as part of a diatribe one might expect from the stereotypical redneck...and I've known more than a few.
I think you and I will have to agree to disagree then, because I know I'm right and I suspect that you know I'm right too...but (at least in your replies) you're sure that you're right and I'm wrong.
I'll let it be at that.