Palestine Divided: Israel's Dream - Comments Page 2

Israel encourages violence in Palestine, thus keeping Palestinians divided.

We all know what “divide and conquer” is all about.  It is a strategy Israel has deployed over the last couple of decades, if not to exactly conquer, but to effectively pacify the people they conquered in 1967–allowing them to continue pursuing their strategic, expansionist and cultural interests.  …
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  • 26 - Ruvy in Jerusalem

    Jul 22, 2007 at 12:07 am

    Awareness:

    Are you sure you want to use this for a screen name? It is way to easy to have fun with. Truth of the matter is that I have addressed your comments not at all, and barely referred to what you have said. My comments were directed at Chris Rose, whose remarks can be found at comment #18.

    Unlike Liam and Chris, you have provided links to the assertions you make and deserve to be answered in kind. This means that I'll have to do some looking to make the points I wish to. I'll just make one note.

    I'm not a pollster, but I do have wide ranging discussions with many Israelis of all backgrounds. The level of contempt we tend to feel for the UN is universally high except among those traitorous fools who remain on the loony left, like B'Tzelem, ICAHD, Rabbis for Human Rights, etc. I say traitorous because their behavior is such that it is violative of Israel's definition of treason. But, having said that, it is not likely that these groups would be brought up on charges - the governing establishment, from the president, the prime minister and much of his cabinet as well as the "high court of justice" are engaged in treason as well. This article at Think Israel, referring to what would become the Gaza expulsion of 2005, says, "...any withdrawal from these areas which would automatically result in the loss of Israel's de facto sovereignty over them is an act tantamount to the crime of treason under section 97(b)." One criminal will not turn another in.

    There is a lot more to say to answer you, of course. Unfortunately, there is the minor matter of making a living to be attended to, so I'll have to return to you later. Do bear in mind, that you have answered for several people who have seen fit to maintain silence...

  • 27 - Christopher Rose

    Jul 22, 2007 at 4:55 am

    Ruvy, I have a perfectly good grasp of English, on the other hand, you are in the grasp of a delusion so profound that you can no longer understand the majority of what people say to you.

    To deal with your "points" in the order you raised them:-

    I'm not a militant atheist; indeed, outside of occasional remarks on this site, religion and all its inherent deceptions and mindbending distortions are happily absent from my life. You, you crazy little zealot you, are extrapolating falsehoods from one minor aspect. Of course, that is entirely in line with the crazed religious nonsense you spout on these pages regularly, so it comes as no surprise, just confirmation that there are cakes with greater clarity of thought!

    Age may well convey a longer view of events but if that view is coloured by falsehood and dodgy logic, as in your case, it only magnifies the madness of your view, not gives you a greater grasp of facts or even reason. For this reason alone, everything you say is dubious, to say the least.

    Learning another language is always a good thing; I know that learning Spanish has deepened my cultural understanding more than the aggregate total of the varied amounts of French, German, Welsh and Flemish I've learned. That's no guarantee that one's grasp of logic or reason is functioning well though.

    The article above isn't "journalism", indeed, it is clearly labelled "Opinion" at the top. Once again your blind fanaticism fools you. And to have an informed opinion as opposed to a dubious set of prejudices, it is necessary to shake off the blinkers of dogma, something you are entirely unable to do.

    Until you and others like you, Jew, Muslim, Christian, regardless of the blind faith you claim to believe in, as you all worship the same "god", wake up to the fact that we are all one people and have more common and shared interests than these frankly embarrassing ancient myths and delusions lead you to believe, the whole disgusting spectacle we see daily throughout the Middle East and beyond is going to continue on for a very long and utterly pointless time.

    More facts to refute your mania: in the modern meaning of the word, there was no technology 3,000 years ago so how could it still be worshipped?

    You rant about being enamoured by sex but how true is that? Sure, a lot of popular culture talks about it but why not? Sex is a very important part of most people's lives and it is surely better to have things out in the open than the repression and neurosis that characterised much of the past.

    Personally, I've never partaken in an orgy and have never met anyone who has; abortion is always traumatic but it is a private affair and not to be controlled by extremists; persecuting the poor, spitting on widows and the elderly, putting sticks in front of the blind, mocking the deaf, taking slaves? Where are you getting all this pathetic crap from?

    If this virulent crap is the kind of nonsense your ancient and outdated belief system leads you to believe, you are the finest example I know of for demonstrating the utter uselessness of the entire credo and its two younger derivatives. The god delusion is a dangerous and irrational theory and clearly presents a major threat to all humanity.

  • 28 - Awareness

    Jul 22, 2007 at 5:54 am

    Once again, the awareness label is more about what I hope to learn, not so much what I'm giving people.
    I'm not sure what constitutes the "loony left." B'Tselem records atrocities by both sides, the ICAHD is doing what most Israelis would do if their homes were being destroyed by Palestinian bulldozers, and Rabbis for Human Rights are "defending the human rights of all people in Israel and in the territories under Israeli control". If protecting the human rights of people in your country/under your control is "loony" and/or "left," maybe it's a positive thing to be this way.
    If it's treasonous gather data and support the protection of human rights, I would say this is beyond ridiculous. Would any one want their own human rights to be violated? Would it be correct to suspend the human rights of Israelis? Of course not.
    As for section 97(b), I'm not sure Israel has rightful status for the area in Gaza and the West Bank. And Israel is probably more insecure when they try to hold a hostile population within those areas. The UN/World Court has stated that the territories acquired by Israel during the 1967 war must be given back. That is, if one has any respect for international law.

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