Could years of exhaustive experimentation and testing and the overwhelming documentary evidence be wrong?
Many technical analyses cast doubt on the official explanation of the collapse of three World Trade Center buildings, including those presented by an impressive new group: Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. More difficult than discovering the truth, however, is convincing most of the public to accept the bitter truth.…
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— go to most recent comments76 - Hemroid
Anything is possible. We have the proof LBJ planed the death of JFK and then gave his body to bigfoot who is really just a large hairy space creature from the planet Elvis. Im sure you have seen the pictures of many UFO's over NY prior to 9/11. Dont forget to vote for the gay toilet-seat sitter.
77 - Dr Dreadful
SR. Back from the dead. And I see that you too have contracted Duplicate Comment Disease.
78 - Hemroid
Hey Doc. How large can hemroids grow and what do you use to help them grow larger. I plan to enter the 2008 world,s largest hemroid contest.
Thanks
79 - Dr Dreadful
Well, SR, the tried and tested method used to be sitting in a World Trade Center restroom with Larry Craig whilst texting Mark Foley. Sadly, of course, that became unavailable after September 11th 2001. The conspiracy theorists have it that George W. Bush orchestrated 9/11 in order to prevent you from winning the 2008 Largest Hemorrhoid Championship. Rumor has it he's got his eye on the title himself. He wants it to be his lasting legacy as President.
80 - Dave Nalle
Doc, there are several different tapes, at least three of which show some sign of the plane. One shows the nosecone, one shows a reflection off the tail plus another part of the plane quite clearly and one shows the full body sliding along the ground and very blurred. The crash site suggests the plane hit the ground before hitting the building, so it may have hit the building in pieces.
One of the constant claims of the conspiracists is that the plane made only a 16ft wide hole, too small for a plane, but if you look at this picture, you can clearly see that the impact area is larger than the length of the nearby 18 wheeler trailers which are 48 feet long. So another theory exploded.
As for the videos, you can find several of them on WizBang.
Dave
81 - Dr Dreadful
(Tried to post this earlier but Akismet was having a nervous breakdown)
Dave, thanks for the links to the Pentagon tapes. You can definitely see the plane skidding across the lawn and into the building. I don't remember seeing that before: I think perhaps the first version of the video that was released had those frames omitted for some reason.
No, it's not a missile: would have been too small and fast to be seen by a camera from that distance away.
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Apparently, the conspiracists' beloved 16-foot hole was actually only 12 feet and was made by the plane's nose landing gear, not the whole plane.
82 - will
I don't think the idea that it's beyond the Bush administration's abilities is logical - you need to realign with the thought pattern of "all I know is I know nothing", clearing out any ideas of what highly dynamic systems (humans) would or would not do.. you couldn't possibly know who's capable of what.
If you do that you might start looking at the evidence objectively - and if you do, I think you'll see why so many believe it was an inside job..
Seriously look at it like a detective and start with ae911truth.org - they present some excellent talks about the funky actions of that day.
83 - Dave Nalle
What they present is some bizarre and paranoid assumptions and misinterpretations of events which have much simpler and more logical explanations.
Ever heard of Occam's Razor? Clearly 911 fanatics haven't.
And IMO it's not convincing that government insiders were too incompetent to pull it off, but it IS absolutely true that there's no way the number of people involved could keep it secret for so long.
Dave
84 - Colin Ricketts
Just to throw a little kerosene on your bonfires... I've just been sent a bulletin through my myspace site where a chap called Alex Jones is predicting a new 9/11 soon.
I've never heard of him, he's a radio host and runs a site called prisonplanet with a "July 2001" video claiming to predict Bin Laden would be blamed for a Government attack. It's a conglomeration of conspiracy theories - Hunter S Thompson was murdered! Apparently, because he was working on a 9/11 story - Princess Diana's there too and Doctor David Kelly, the UK weapons inspector at the heart of the storm over the "dodgy dossier" on WMD in Iraq, and, who committed suicide (or according to the site was murdered). I make no comment but people may wish to have a look at it, it's a huge archive of related material about a 'globalist' conspiracy.
85 - Nancy
As to conspiracy being too fanciful to be true, who would ever have believed Watergate if it hadn't been proven true? There's always some idiot out there with a megalomaniac complex who believes they can do anything they want, & is willing to try.
Speaking of megalomaniac complexes, MR is getting worse in her various delusions of omniscience & sexual attractiveness, doncha think?
86 - Dr Dreadful
Nancy, Watergate consisted of Nixon sending a few guys to bug a hotel room.
That's a considerably easier conspiracy to execute than crashing two tanker planes into the WTC (claiming that they were passenger planes), rigging two of the biggest buildings in the world with explosives (without anyone noticing), firing a missile into the Pentagon (while somehow convincing hundreds of eyewitnesses that it was a plane), shooting down yet another plane, faking wreckage, disposing of four civilian planes that never crashed, murdering hundreds of passengers and hiding the bodies (or possibly not murdering them but convincing each and every one of them, and all their families and friends, to keep quiet forever)... and doing all of this without anyone finding out about it or blowing the whistle?
Come on.
87 - medicis
years ago when I got my MA in philosophy of science I and my fellow students learned well that Occam's so called razor - the law parsimony - was actually false way more times than right. So when I see some sophomoric statement touting it, I know that person is probably, indeed, a sophomore.
Also when they use the hackneyed argument about sooo many people had to be involved,,, surrrrely somebody would talk... blah blah. Go study a little bit sophomore. Compartmental organization and hierarchy of organization structure means very few people would need to know the score. The rest are simply doing their jobs. That's why false flag ops usually occur within the context of on-going similar war games. How many were occurring on 9/11? Between 10 and 15 (depending upon your criteria) with some -exactly duplicating - the actual 'terrorist' (so called) attack. And what about the few who actually know? You really think they are going to come out and tell anything when it is so obvious against their interests (personal and financial) to so do. Only a cretin would believe that.
oh, and as an aside to #75 above... frankly, I've haven't seen so many untruths strung together with such apalling lack of syntax in quite a long time. You should be congratualted.
88 - Elvira Black
To me, what seems suspect is the consistent level of gross "incompetence" in this administration. Are they really this inept, or is it a ploy serving their own agenda? There were serious red flags prior to 9/11 that seem in retrospect to be almost(?) deliberately ignored. And look at all the sheeple who voted Bush in for another four years. Many of them have finally woken up and realized they've been had, despite their earlier skepticism.
Not to mention the debate over the validity of the first election of Bush. We have become so jaded and cynical that this kind of thing is just par for the course. Mass protests and outrage are so 60s....
Even if the conspiracy theorists are totally wrong, the fact that this debacle was allowed to happen by sins of omission and/or commission is what amazes me no end. How could our President continue to read "My Little Pony" while Rome burned?
Isn't it horrifying enough to realize that 9/11 was a perfect excuse for an invasion based on special interests rather than the facts?
Easy to say "oops--we didnt' see it coming"--but that in itself is what seems unbelievable to me--and very convenient. Bush doesn't give a hoot if the whole country sees him as a clown. In his mind, greed, as the Michael Douglas character said in Wall Street, is good.
89 - Al Barger
See Medicin has an MA in philosophy of science, so he knows better than just to believe stuff he sees with his eyes. He didn't go to school and learn all them big words just so he could believe the same stuff as the rabble, even if it is blindingly obvious.
Of course, someone who is truly educated and thoughtful might reach the conclusion that knowing exactly who was on which planes and thousands of eyewitnesses is a more imperative reason to believe than is the desire of a faux-intellectual to congratulate himself on his supposedly superior mind.
90 - Dr Dreadful
Medicis is arguing from authority (his own) - the same fallacy that a certain Mexican resident uses constantly as she reminds us that she is more highly educated... than everyone else on the planet, apparently.
He apparently ditched school the day they mentioned that Occam's razor is a useful tool - if you know when and how to use it.
And if seamlessly covering up the supposed 9/11 conspiracy is not incredible to him, then Bush should have been able to proceed to frame Saddam for stashing WMDs without the entire world being able to see that he was full of it... no?
91 - Nancy
Elvira - haven't seen you in awhile. Howyadoin'?
92 - Dave Nalle
Regarding #86, don't forget that just in the incredibly simple Watergate conspiracy it was only a matter of weeks before someone ratted them out and within a year numerous participants were eager to tell their stories.
Dave
93 - Elvira Black
Hey Nancy--greetings from da beautiful Bronx...
94 - halleos
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95 - b. j. edwards
I really don't know why the author of this silly article decided to plagiarize debunked nonsense from several different 9/11 Denial sites.
It is really quite silly and transparent and shows the desperation of the 9/11 Denial Movement of not being able to come up with one single piece of physical evidence to support "controlled demolition."
The first mistake is for the author to regurgitate the canard that there is some mystical "official story." As if the fact that the evidence of the 9/11 attacks didn't come from hundreds of independent sources!
Listen, 9/11 Truth Kiddies, you're so sadly ignorant and have not a clue that you don't know what you don't know. It is really gotten pathetic listening to the EXACT SAME debunked nonsense for 6 years. Please go get yourselves an education in critical thinking so that we don't have to support you on welfare in the future, ok?
Get a life, for God's sake.
96 - Polly
There was no Watergate conspiracy. It was a SNL skit originally submitted for publication in National Lampoon. It became an Off Broadway sensation with Howard Cosell playing trombone and Richard Nixon. The troops loved it when opened in the Bay of Pigs and it got rave reviews in the Gulf of Tonkin. The soundtrack went Platinum because of the screams of the dying and wounded from the self cleaning ovens.
97 - CR
geez a troll right off the bat, are you guys robotic?
98 - Theodore Trout
- The company which had the contract for security in the WTC for the two years prior to the attacks was called Securacom.
CEO: Wirt Walker III, cousin of GW Bush. On his board of Directors sat one Marvin Bush, younger brother of GW Bush.
Securacom only existed for these two years.
- The 9-11 cover-up is incredibly sloppy and incompetent. That's why it's falling apart.
- Blow out the foundation, then do half a dozen or so bottom-up demolitions right on top of each other in one huge top-down sequence.
- America shot itself in the foot and cried wolf to start an illegal war because it's out of oil and now must live within its means or conquer the Middle East.
Meanwhile the gov'ts of Canada and Mexico are bought and fixed to consolidate access to their neighbours' reserves.
Soon there will be another 9-11 which they will blame on Hugo Chavez.
- The last seven years have been depressing in the extreme, as if one suddenly awoke the only adult in a world full of five-year-olds, all screaming,"because BECAUSE!"
How could anyone witness the bizarre mid-air self-pulverisation of the WTC and not think "WTF? Who the Hell do they think is gonna buy this?"
My God... it's a planet of apes.
And now: the spectacle of over-educated idiots decrying the obvious truth more and more loudly, trying to deny the onset of reality like Pincher Martin hallucinating his way around the grim spectre of Death.
The fact is that these chimpanzees, typing away in an almost infinite number, missed the boat to begin with and have since magnified their uselessness to society exponentially with each passing day.
They will all soon be out of work, perhaps even treading lava in the Lake of Sulphur, if Biblical prophecy is any guide.
"Revolt, you thick-skulled idiots!" - Fritz the Cat
99 - Fred
Know other idiots like this? See sendahole.com.
100 - Nancy
Hey, Elvira, Glad to hear from you. Where ya been? Glad you're back. As you can read, nothing's new: same old same old slinging insults at each other. Jump right in!
101 - CBW
Mr Hirschorn, plese provide links to the " many technical analyses" you refer to.
102 - CBW
The company which had the contract for security in the WTC for the two years prior to the attacks was called Securacom.
Wrong. Securacoms contract ended in 1998.
CEO: Wirt Walker III, cousin of GW Bush. On his board of Directors sat one Marvin Bush, younger brother of GW Bush.
Wrong. Wirt Walker III is almost certainly no relation to Bush. Marvin Bush left the board in 2000.
Securacom only existed for these two years.
Wrong. It existed from at least 1995.
103 - Carroll D. Sanders
I would like to know when the author is going to write a Peer Reviewed paper on this subject, so I can at least see if he actually knows what he is referring to!
IT seems now like it is just a call to authority, to sell a book!
104 - Theodore Trout
Wirt D. Walker III, a distant relative "in the Walker branch of the Bush family," according to a former colleague, and Mishal Yousef Saud Al Sabah of the Kuwaiti ruling family. Walker and Al Sabah also headed KuwAm, the backer of Stratesec and Aviation General.
Stratesec was founded as Securacom (formerly the engineering firm Burns and Roe Securacom). It was reinvented shortly after the first Gulf War, and thereafter marketed large security contracts to big clients, including the World Trade Center, Washington's Reagan National Airport and Dulles International Airport, various municipalities and airlines.
Marvin Bush and Wirt Walker Chairman and CEO of Stratesec from 1999 to the company's liquidation in 2003. Walker had served as a director of the company since 1987.
Securacom did security detailing for the World Trade Center. In 1992 Burns & Roe became Securacom: its management changed hands accompanying an infusion of capital from the ruling family of Kuwait, the Al Sabahs, two of whom joined its board.
At this time Marvin Bush also joined the board, clearly connecting family and Al Sabah interests and presumably part of a bigger package of Bush family rewards after the U.S. kicked Iraq out of Kuwait.
Marvin was a director of Securacom a.k.a. Stratesec from 1993 until fiscal year 2000.
105 - moonraven
Security of the buildings was not the issue.
They had just been leased by a new company a few days before 9/11--a company which literally raked in billions in insurance claims.
Follow the money and you will see why folks keep their mouths shut.
One of Mexico's well-forgotten presidents, Alvaro Obregon, said something on the order of "Nobody resists down a cannonblast of 50 thousands pesos". That was in 1920 in Mexico--you can figure out what it took to buy folks off in 2001.
But the real point is: AS USUAL YOU MORONS HAVE ALL THE CARS OFF ON THE SIDINGS AND NOTHING GOING DOWN THE MAIN TRACK.
(Hint: You don't have to prove how somebody pulled the trigger and how the bullet shot out of the barrel--the single bullet theory my ass--if it is patently obvious that only one person could have done it.)
106 - Elvira Black
Hey Nancy, great to see you. I've been busy with my new Bronx digs.
Maybe I've had a personality transplant in the interim, but Moonraven is almost starting to make a bit of sense to me. In any case, she certainly is the Don Rickles of the internet. Her insults are actually pretty funny.
107 - moonraven
You now have dated everyone with the Don Rickles comment. Is he still alive?
108 - Nancy
Elvira, get thee to a shrink - or a bar ;)
109 - moonraven
Nancy, I believe I indicated yesterday that YOU should be going to a shrink--one specialized in early childhood sexual abuse. If not, you will be right back up there to 500 pounds in less thgan 18 months.
Trust me on this one.
110 - Nancy
Elvira - are you still with the same guy?
MR - Actually, I don't believe you did mention a shrink, but sometimes very severely formerly obese patients do indeed benefit from it, yes. You're right on that. BTW, it was pretty astute of you to pick up on still carrying the fat around in my head. I give credit where credit is due on that one, even if it was meant as a dagger instead of a help. However....
111 - moonraven
You take every comment I make as a dagger because you have low self-esteem and believe you deserve to be picked on in order to replicate the bad feelings from the days of abuse.
When I tell someone that he or she needs to get to a good therapist, I am not just blowing it out my ass. It means I have seen what the problem is from the posts and am suggesting a solution.
If you prefer to court abuse and rejection on this site just because your employer is paying you to play in the internet you may get the satisfaction of ripping off him or her, but you won't get better.
112 - Joel S. Hirschhorn
For the many who have demonstrated considerable ignorance and closed-mindedness consider this:
Nationally Recognized Engineers and Scientist Call for New 9/11 Investigation
Over the last 8 weeks a world renowned scientist and three nationally recognized engineers have called for a new investigation of 9/11, yet none of these have been reported in the mainstream media.
Most recently, on Sept. 4, Joel S. Hirschhorn, Ph.D., who served for 12 years as a Senior Staff Member of the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment and later as Director of Environment, Energy and Natural Resources for the National Governors Association, called for a new investigation of 9/11, saying "First, let the technical truth emerge. Then, if necessary, cope with the inevitable political, conspiracy and other questions." Former Congressional Office of Technology Assessment Senior Staff Member Calls for New Investigation of 9/11
On Aug. 27, Lynn Margulis, Ph.D., member of the National Academy of Sciences and world renowned scientist, characterized the official account of 9/11 as "a fraud" and called for a new investigation, "I suggest that those of us aware and concerned demand that the glaringly erroneous official account of 9/11 be dismissed as a fraud and a new, thorough, and impartial investigation be undertaken." National Academy of Sciences Member Calls for New 9/11 Investigation
An Aug. 21 article reported that James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division, called for an independent review of the World Trade Center Twin Tower collapse investigation. "I wish that there would be a peer review of this," he said, referring to the NIST investigation. "I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they've done; both structurally and from a fire point of view. ... I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable." Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation
On July 16, J. Marx Ayres, former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council and former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission called for a new investigation of 9/11, "Steven Jones' call for a serious investigation of the hypothesis that the WTC 7 and the Twin Towers were brought down, not just by impact damage and fire, but through the use of pre-positioned 'cutter-charges' must be the rallying cry for all building design experts to speak out." Former California Seismic Safety Commissioner Endorses 9/11 Truth Movement
Additionally, this week, Commander Ralph Kolstad, U.S. Navy ‘Top Gun’ pilot, questioned the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. "When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story." U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' Pilot Questions 9/11
The mainstream media has not covered any of these stories. Please help disseminate this critically important information.
113 - frydfr
9/11 conspiracy's are horrible and full of holes. You CT's talking about securacom have dropped to the lowest level of CT, using coincidences as if they were fact. you all realize that if there were bombs in the towers, then they would have had to place them exactly where the planes hit. but o no the towers colapsed fromb ombs, no evidence, maybe we should push aside the fact that the towers collapsed right where the plne hit. and the fact that putting explosives in a building means ripping off drywall and that the whole port authority would be in on it.
114 - Shawn
Have people heard of Operation Northwoods. People in our goverment drew up plans to kill americans and blam Cuba, as a pretext to invade. So if they thought about doing that kind of operation then, not hard to believe it could of happened in ragards to 911.
115 - Dave Nalle
I don't know how much of what Hirschorn posts in #112 is just straight lies and distortion, but I do know that he totally misrepresents Quintiere, who does not believe there is a 9/11 conspiracy, but only thinks that the mechanisms by which the towers came down need to be further studied.
Dave
116 - Lester
This is hilarious. One guy says: "Here's an experiment for u to try. Take a small steel rod and start bending it back and forth until it breaks. Did u use thermite or bombs to do it? No. Torsion pressure was enough to break it and to generate enough heat to soften it substantially. +hat do u think happens when all the potential energy of a 767 moving at over 300mph is transfered into some steel beams and then fire causes more and more loose material to start sliding down them. Friction and tortion are more than enough to soften the metal."
He's trying to use this to counter Dr. Hirschborn. Dude, are you serious? Do you know this guy has a PhD in material engineering? A master's and a bachelor's in metallurgy? Face it, you're in way over your head. You're bringing a pea shooter to a gunfight. If you can't figure it out on your own (they say only about 20% of the population, maybe less than that, are even capable of learning calculus), help is available.
or, if you prefer a musical
117 - James Redford
For the irrefragable proof (including videographic evidence of the moten metal and also chemical analysis) that large quantities of thermite analogs (such as thermate) were used in the destruction of the World Trade Center towers, scroll down to the bottom post on the below page: Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism
118 - Dave Nalle
Lester, how do you know that the guy with the metal rod doesn't have a degree in metallurgy or mechanical engineering as well? Did you ask him?
Admittedly, he did misspell 'torsion' once but then you misspelled Hirschhorn's name.
As for Hirschhorn, he does have great credentials. No question. But I'm sorry to say that he would not be the first example of someone with academic qualifications whose judgement was warped by political partisanship or just pure nuttiness.
Dave
119 - Joel S. Hirschhorn
As to Dave Nalle's comments - someone I believe is on the management side of this site - I am disappointed. "Personal attacks on are not allowed." Really. But explaining my views on the basis of my "nuttiness" is not a personal attack???? Dave, if you have the brain power, spend a few dozen hours seriously reading the many technical analyses on alternative theories of the WTC buildings collapse. Those scientists and engineers seeking the truth about the mechanism of collapse do not have to speak about a conspiracy (people like you have made others fearful of being called conspiracy nuts), but as I explained in my article: first must come the scientific/technical truth, and then everything else. BUT, if the two planes do NOT explain the collapse of THREE buildings, then logically there sure as hell has been a conspiracy. Here is a posted comment from Opednews that I found especially interesting and informative:
New 9/11 Investigation & Second American Revolution
The latter will need to take place first. But what will cause a "second American revolution"? Answer: anger. Enough angry Americans demanding the media cover the facts. What will anger Americans enough to make such demands? Answer: The complete and real truth of the media's direct involvement in the 9/11 attacks. When the American public learns that the orchestration of 9/11 goes down to the TV newscaster level, something is going to happen.
The best evidence of TV newscaster involvement is this 10 minute analysis video: 911 Octopus 8: Media Perps Unmasked. This amazing video reveals newscasters on different NYC TV stations reading from a script - the same script - on a developing story on live TV.
After our second American revolution we shall have our new 9/11 Investigation.
In the meantime, everyone should learn of the current legal proceedings already taking place:
Attorney Jerry Leaphart represents Dr Morgan Reynolds and Dr Judy Wood.
Dr Morgan Reynolds, the former Chief Economist of the US Department of Labor, filed a lawsuit against the private contractors hired by the government. Reynolds claims the contractors supplied bogus analysis of an aluminum airplane with a plastic nosecone gliding into a steel/concrete building. (See this animated gif for illustration.) The original Court document can be downloaded in PDF format on this page.
As Mr Leaphart explains in this interview, when a frivolous claim is filed with a governmental agency or a court, the governmental agency or court will respond stating the claim is frivolous.
But, as we see from Dr Reynolds site, the court did not dismiss the case. Instead, they unsealed it and Mr Leaphart is now notifying the Defendants in the case.
Dr Judy Wood, a former Professor of Mechanical Engineering from Clemson University, recently filed an appeal to the government for its refusal to retract their report on the WTC destruction. All documentation can be downloaded here. Dr Wood's hypothesis that the WTC was destroyed by directed energy weapons not only stands up to the evidence, but also ties the WTC destruction directly to the Military Industrial Complex.
According to trial attorney Jerry Leaphart, the directed energy weapon evidence is admissible in a Court of Law. Here's his quote from an interview with Kevin Barrett, and MP3 clip link:
"What I can tell you and the listeners, Kevin, is this. There is more admissible evidence associated with the theory that the World Trade Center was destroyed by directed energy weapons than there is admissible evidence for any single other theory out there that has been promulgated."
The directed energy weapon evidence is much more solid than thermite or explosives:
Thermite can be purchased on Ebay... hardly traceable to prove an inside job.
The perps plan to blame Al Qaeda for planting explosives. Here's a video of George W Bush doing exactly that!
by CB_Brooklyn (0 articles, 93 comments) on Saturday, September 8, 2007 at 5:34:00 AM
120 - moonraven
Dave ALWAYS posts personal attacks--at least he has since Sept. 21, 2006--when I first visited this site and he immediately posted personal attacks against me.
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121 - Dave Nalle
As to Dave Nalle's comments - someone I believe is on the management side of this site - I am disappointed. "Personal attacks on are not allowed." Really. But explaining my views on the basis of my "nuttiness" is not a personal attack????
Not really, no. It's actually rather nicer than some of the other explanations.
When someone with your credentials and academic training holds a belief so completely at odds with obvious reality and every element of logic, it is irrational and yes, nutty.
Dave, if you have the brain power, spend a few dozen hours seriously reading the many technical analyses on alternative theories of the WTC buildings collapse. Those scientists and engineers seeking the truth about the mechanism of collapse do not have to speak about a conspiracy (people like you have made others fearful of being called conspiracy nuts), but as I explained in my article: first must come the scientific/technical truth, and then everything else.
I have read scores of studies and absorbed as much as I can understand. As I pointed out in my last comment, there are many different possible theories about the exact mechanism of how the towers came down. However, what hundreds of scientists who have actually studied the wreckage and have degrees as impressive as yours, seem to agree on is that while the exact reasons why the towers collapsed as they did have not been fully identified, all of the actual evidence indicates that the planes hitting the towers was the primary cause of the collapse.
Evidence exists to support a variety of theories on the collapse of the towers and how it happened. None of that evidence supports a conspiracy or controlled demolition.
BUT, if the two planes do NOT explain the collapse of THREE buildings, then logically there sure as hell has been a conspiracy.
The absence of a definitive proof of the mechanism of collapse is NOT the same as proof of a conspiracy. Did you not take some sort of course in logic in your academic career? That there are still questions about the collapse does not in any way validate wild alternative theories which don't have real evidence to back them up.
And BTW, I did some more research on the torsion business mentioned earlier, and although the example was inept, there does seem to be substantial evidence that a major factor of the collapse was not heat from the fire, but torsion causing the bolts holding together sections of the supporting columns to snap, a fact for which there is ample physical evidence and some very good computer modeling done by a Japanese study group.
The best evidence of TV newscaster involvement is this 10 minute analysis video: 911 Octopus 8: Media Perps Unmasked. This amazing video reveals newscasters on different NYC TV stations reading from a script - the same script - on a developing story on live TV.
This is a GREAT example of the irrational credulity which you and the other conspiracy believers exhibit. It's like you have a complete disconnect from reality or a lack of basic awareness of how the world works, or any common sense for that matter. Local TV newscasters largely report news by essentially repeating public statements and official reports, especially when dealing with emergent news. So FEMA or the mayor's office or the FDNY sends out a fax and then all the stations basically read it over the air, and that becomes the basis for another silly conspiracy theory that the media is 'reading from a script'.
This kind of example is what makes people like me skeptical. It's like you have no rational discrimination whatsoever.
Dr Wood's hypothesis that the WTC was destroyed by directed energy weapons not only stands up to the evidence, but also ties the WTC destruction directly to the Military Industrial Complex.
Are you SERIOUS? The WTC was destroyed by 'death rays'? This is actually something I'm fairly familiar with. I assume this is part of the greater conspiracy theory that the government launched CPBW platforms into space during the Reagan administration? There's no evidence to support that it ever happened, plus for the conspiracy to actually work you have to assume the cooperation of both the old Soviet Union government AND the current Russian government who monitor orbital space SPECIFICALLY looking for weapons platforms.
Man, stick to thermite, at least it's halfway believable and there's even some data you can bogus up into evidence since the building materials of the towers included all the chemical elements necessary to make thermite.
Dave
122 - moonraven
Laugh of the day: Dave Nalle asking SOMEONE ELSE if he took a logic course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
123 - Joel S. Hirschhorn
As long as we are being logical and honest, Dave Nalle has all the appearances of a truly closed-minded, ignorant, nasty and prejudiced a-hole -- in fact, about the worst that I have seen on the Internet. That I post materials that others have said does not, logically, mean that I embrace them. I believe in examining all kinds of information. Now he also acuses me of lacking common sense as well as nuttiness. Well Dave I know nothing about your background except what I have seen here and you have nothing to be proud of. I have observed incredible evils perpetrated by the federal government, and how anyone can watch all the crap done by the Bush administration and not consider the plausibility of a massive conspiracy about 9/11 is beyond me. Maybe all your shameful behavior can be explained by your being a Republican. But for tecord, what I and others stress is the need for a new investigation on the cause of the collapse of the three WTC buildings -- and feel free to let everyone wasting their time on this site know about your explanation for the destruction of building no.7.
124 - Lumpy
Joel. I don't see anyone here being nearly as nasty to you as you deserve. You deliberately spread propaganda and disinformation which supports a destructive and divisive neoanarchist agenda. That people react to you negatively should be no surprise. That you are even allowed to post your garbage on this otherwise pretty decent site surprises me.
125 - Lumpy
Oh and sorry about my earlier example being simplistic. The point is still valid that a huge jet hitting a building at hundreds of miles an hour causes huge structural stress.
BTW I think Doug Hunter hit the nail on the head in no. 10. Belief in these conspiracies satisfies some deep feeling of intellectual inadequacy in the believers.