Barack Obama's latest U-turn reveals his true tradition.
As Barack Obama’s presidency continues in the United States, it’s safe to say that a pattern is now emerging that reveals his true tradition. He is a politician, lest we forget, and his loyalties lie with nationalist and capitalist interests. That he should act accordingly should not surprise us. That he should make campaign promises to secure election and consequently turn from those should also not surprise us.…
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76 - roger nowosielski
Bliffle,
You can refer to Clavos's Notre Dame's thread, the second one, in connection with Charles Krauthammer's two links (provided there).
I believe that indirectly at least, Krauthammer substantiates Cheney's claim.
77 - Cindy
I'll post this again. This is video interview and article.
In the video you see Rove and Cheney trying to claim torture was an effective means of obtaining information.
Anything that comes out of Cheney's mouth regarding torture should be completely disregarded. Get your information about whether ice cream is fattening from someone other than the Good Humor man.
CIA Inspector General documents say no evidence "enhanced interrogation" stopped an attack
WASHINGTON " The CIA inspector general in 2004 found that there was no conclusive proof that waterboarding or other harsh interrogation techniques helped the Bush administration thwart any "specific imminent attacks," according to recently declassified Justice Department memos.
That undercuts assertions by former vice president Dick Cheney and other former Bush administration officials that the use of harsh interrogation tactics including waterboarding, which is widely considered torture, was justified because it headed off terrorist attacks.
78 - Bliffle
#76 - roger nowosielski
"I believe that indirectly at least, Krauthammer substantiates Cheney's claim."
I scanned K's articles and saw no substantiation. I suspect they are just echoing.
I intend to read K's articles again and possibly Fisk them.
Reading K, again after all these years, did not improve my notion of his unwisdom.
79 - roger nowosielski
Whatever. He's much more cogent and persuasive that most conservative voices on BC. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with his analysis, but it's as cogent an argument as I've heard yet.
Perhaps the most forceful objection came from Irene - you may have to fish it out from among the cluster - and it had to do with "becoming endowed with power," and therefore that something is lost in the process.
As to substantiating Cheney's claims that some vital information was made available under the circumstances, I think he more than echoes it in that he cites some additional sources on behalf of that contention.
This, of course, IMO, is the weakest link - because the intelligence agencies may have a vested interest here in stretching the truth (to protect their arse).
On the other hand, K's remarks on Pelosi and other members of Congress as to their duplicity, are on-target.