Obama the Antichrist: How the Christian Right Preys on Your Ignorance and Fears - Comments Page 3

The right, while trying to hide Governor Palin's affiliation with Dominionist Christianity launches religious "terror" tactics against Obama and America.

The wolves who present themselves as "concerned" Christians prey on the absolute ignorance of their church members - indeed on all Christians. The viral emails going out from the Christian “right” painting Obama as the Antichrist are first and foremost shameful, and second are complete “biblical” fabrications.…
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  • 76 - Cindy D

    Sep 27, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    B,

    Of course there would be different sizes for the whole family...

    Hopefully all label free, so as not to irritate the skin.

    Interesting thought about the politics of Jesus, B, there are those folks who believe, "Jesus is a liberal."



    Christianna,

    What would Christ say?

    He would probably wonder why your belief does not fill you with love and tolerance (even for sinners). I think he would look at your words and feel he has failed.

  • 77 - Silas Kain

    Sep 27, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    Christian values? Give me a break. The Far Christian Right is the most un-Christian group of Christians in existence. They are hate-mongers who use the Bible as their shield and Christ as their excuse to murder innocents and control the masses. Frankly, I am at the point where I want these groups to pay taxes along with the rest of us. I want every last one of them to tithe to the Federal Government BEFORE they tithe to their Lord. I wash my hands completely of them. Call me Pontius Pilate for all I care. He did nothing different than the politicians of today -- he pandered to the masses.

  • 78 - Lisa Solod Warren

    Sep 27, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Well, Marlowe, as Jews don't believe in Christ as anything more than another prophet, if that, we certainly have nothing like an anti-Christ....


    Fundamenalist Christians just have a hard time with anyone believing that it is possible to believe anything (or nothing) in opposition to them and still be a viable, moral person and deserve to live in this universe. There is absolutely no discussing things with them. I have tried. I suppose it is the same with Fundamentalists of any type.

    But with "saved" Christians, if you aren't "saved" or born again, then Heaven (which is a concept that reform Jews don't subscribe to anyway) is not open to you. I always tell those people that as far as I am concerned I was born right the first time:)

    Obama is correct,of course, in not playing God's role in the abortion issue. It IS above his "pay grade."

    I have just bought Susan Neiman's book Moral Clarity and am very anxious to read it after having heard her speak on NPR. Part of her premise is that the right has hijacked the notion of morality and that morality comes from man and not God and than man can be righteous and moral without necessarily believing in God (although I happen to be a God-believing Jew). I am very much looking forward to reading this philospher who sounded so interesting..... and will, hopefully, report on it.

  • 79 - Silas Kain

    Sep 28, 2008 at 12:39 am

    Christ was a prophet. The Christian Churches from Rome to Antioch have made a substantial profit from promoting the Prophet. Ah, the irony of it all. Tax the bastards.

  • 80 - Marlowe

    Sep 28, 2008 at 12:48 am

    Jesus was a prophet. He never claimed to be else. What He did, along with all prophets, was to use metaphors to describe His relationship to God...

    Of course for the first few centuries at least half or more the Christian population, at any given time, did NOT believe - in any way - that Jesus Christ WAS God... And of course this is what drove the whole Nicene scene... And even after that - for another two centuries there were large swaths of peoples who still held to what was then referred to the Arian Heresy.

    Be that as it may, it is the teaching of Jesus that have been given 2nd rate status. This didn't start with the Christian Right... It began right away unfortunately - with misapprehension of Pauline teachings...

    Interestingly, when you look at the teachings of Mohammad - you see a tremendous attempt to "correct" the error (from both Muslim and Jewish perspective) of Christianity's slide down the slipperly slope of polytheism.

    Marlowe

  • 81 - Silas Kain

    Sep 28, 2008 at 4:42 am

    It began right away unfortunately - with misapprehension of Pauline teachings...

    Right on, Marlowe! As I have said for 20 years, Paul from Tarsus was the creator of the first multi-level marketing scheme. He created the corporation and used what he collected to advance his personal political agenda. If I didn't know any better, I would swear that Paul was the founder of Amway.

  • 82 - Ruvy

    Sep 28, 2008 at 7:15 am

    Interestingly, when you look at the teachings of Mohammad - you see a tremendous attempt to "correct" the error (from both Muslim and Jewish perspective) of Christianity's slide down the slipperly slope of polytheism.

    Once you demote Jesus from god-hood, you guys get a lot closer to the basic ideas we Jews espouse. It really isn't important to us if you want an extra prophet or two. What matters to us is that you follow the Noahide Laws and worship G-d and not some substitute cooked up by that ancient version of the reform Jews, Sha'úl of Tarshish.

    I'd go after Lisa more thoroughly (this is an intellectual morsel hard to resist) but I have to catch a bus to Jerusalem, and buses running around here don't wait.

    Just a thought for you, Lisa. If you actually believed in G-d, you would be running away from Susan Neiman's book, not to it. Do you seriously think you'll get anything that is of any spiritual value from National Palestine Radio?

  • 83 - Ruvy

    Sep 28, 2008 at 8:33 am

    Apparently, I'll be leaving a bit later for J-lem, so I can go after Lisa a bit more here.

    No, my dear lady, this is not stalking of any kind. I've dealt with that garbage (stalking) before, and whatever I say would not be a personal attack, though it might seem like one to you at first.

    as Jews don't believe in Christ as anything more than another prophet, if that, we certainly have nothing like an anti-Christ...

    So much for what you know. First of all, the term is Jesus. That other word is Greek for messiah. You do believe in the coming of the messiah, I hope - for your sake not mine. I'm not getting a commission for writing this. And presumably you do not view Jesus as this messiah. Otherwise, well, this is Sunday, and I'm sure there is a nice church down the road you can worship in....

    By the way, Lisa, would a Jew who understands the concept of the End of Days use terms like "apocalyptic" to define another Jew's viewpoint?

    Now as it turns out, there is such a thing as an anti-messianic figure in our literature. In fact there are a couple of them. The one which comes immediately to mind is Armilius or Armaglus. The literature varies as to the spelling. The name comes from a corruption of the Roman name Romulus and refers to someone who is somehow associated with Rome or its prophetic counterpart "Edom". What role he plays is not entirely clear, but according to the Talmud (you know what the Talmud is, I hope), he works to prevent the arrival of the messiah and to sow discord and disbelief in the Word of G-d. He is a human being, not some super-creature like the anti-christ figure in the "Left Behind" novels.

    A fellow in Jerusalem, Ya'acov Tabak, gave a presentation at a Root & Branch lecture a couple of years ago on this topic. Tying current events to prophecy is his avocation; at a previous lecture, he pointed out that while the "First Gulf War" and the "Second Gulf War" were separated by twelve years, the first ended the day before Purim, and the second began the day after Purim, and so for prophetic purposes, they could together be regarded as one event.

    In the later lecture, Tabak pointed out that normally using "gematria" (the numerical value of the letters) to ascertain something or to prove an argument was not quite "kosher" - but pointed out that in the End of Days (the period we seem to be living in now) this would be the way lots of data would be gained. So he went over the "gematria" of "Armaglus" to see if he could find a tie to present day events or leaders. Lo and behold, the "gematria" of Armaglus turns out to be the same as that of the letters pe, resh and sámekh. Those three letter spell Péres, as in Shim'ón Péres, the present state president. They could also spell Parás - as in Persia. Either result gets you evil incarnate (the bloody record of Shim'ón Péres is well known here, and the bloodthirsty goons he keeps for enforcers keep lots of folks quiet - even the lecturer refused to say the name Péres).

    That is one anti-messianic figure.

    The other anti-messianic figure is a false messiah known as Shabtai Tzvi. I'll leave him for another time, though. If you'd like, look up the name Rabbi Marvin Antelman.

    Shavúa Tov,
    Ruvy

  • 84 - Lisa Solod Warren

    Sep 28, 2008 at 10:05 am

    Ruvy, your Judaism is NOT mine. Do NOT try and convert me. I will not allow it, as I did not allow the Fundamentalist Christians to lay hands on me and "save" me in my youth. I am happy in my Reform faith. I am tired to your trying to push your kind of Judaism on me, as if it were the one and only. Please refrain. Now. And stop stupidly calling NPR National Palestine Radio. You have your viewpoint and I have mine. I know many Israelis, natural born and Americans who have moved there who DO NOT THINK LIKE YOU.

    Please refrain. I will NOT be converted by the likes of you. Stop.

  • 85 - Silas Kain

    Sep 28, 2008 at 10:17 am

    Obama caters to homosexuals and selfish wicked mothers who think it's ok to rip their own child out of their womb. Remember, we are all made in the image of God, even an unborn baby. Babies in the wombs have SOULs too.

    Well, as a member of the damned, I can report here and now that Barack Obama has never as much as served an appetizer at one of my parties. And, honey, let me tell you OUR parties are so hedonistic. We're just walking evil, filled with demons, ready to steal your children away and feast on your unborn.

    Personally I would like to think that if there is a God, it is NOTHING like us. We are feeble, imperfect, down right nasty creatures. Is THAT the image of God you wish us to worship? Many, many moons ago my religion and philosophy teacher - Sister Mary Ronald - said that she believed the first breath of air inhaled by a baby was the soul's entry into the body. If there is a soul I think that's the way it happens. One cannot be an individual with a soul until one is cut from the umbilical cord. I believe that we may even find words to that effect in Scripture. Oh, I forgot, those are the Scriptures we're not allowed to read because they weren't approved by the Council of Nicea. Damn those Amway salesmen!

  • 86 - Lisa Solod Warren

    Sep 28, 2008 at 10:33 am

    Silas, my sister and her partner go to your "church" as do other relatives and friends.
    Damned of you do, damned if you don't, is the way I see it, by the Christians, anyway. At the least, my particular faith, is welcoming and open. Which, is perhaps, why I get so much s---from Ruvy. There are gay and lesbian rabbis all over Reform Judaism. Go figure:) None of them have been struck by lightening yet. So fat G-d saves that for bushes (hahahah, get the joke? if only.....)

  • 87 - Ruvy

    Sep 28, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Lisa,

    I'll make this short sweet and simple. The Redemption will be a bitch for all of us - but it will really be a bitch for people who think like you. And there are loads like you, both "secular" and "religious". Why? Because you are "comfortable" with what you believe. And you hazve closed your mind not to "conversion" but to additional information within your own faith.

    I'm not interested in "converting" you - I could give a damn. I'm not some fool walking around with a gun in one hand and a Bible and a Shield of David) in the other. But at last I understand why Arieh Zaritsky warned that Jews like you would regard believing Jews as not even brothers and want to kill them like dogs.....

    So, stay in America. We do not need your kind here. We have enough of your kind already and it is killing us spiritually.

    Shaná Tová

  • 88 - june cleaver

    Sep 30, 2008 at 2:44 am

    fake emails put out by Obama camp to blame the "right"

  • 89 - Kathy

    Oct 03, 2008 at 8:41 am

    If one Googles McCain or Obama + Antichrist, it is apparent that thousands of hits exist... mostly for Obama. I don't think the Right has ever officially sold this, but some Rapture-Ready folks don't need an endorsement to satisfy a curious obsession... the criteria is anyone popular, who seeks solutions and peace. The nicer and more charming the better. The Right however does subliminally or not so subliminally rally the masses in the following manner... Certain churches have challenged their IRS standing to publicly endorse McCain and the Christian Right has indeed picked McCain. Some go so far to state that no Christian should vote for Obama, and state that no true Christian can vote for Obama. Who needs to smear someone with the label of "Antichrist"? In an election, when the encumbent party has history not on its side, culture wars are the secret weapon. And according to culture war strategy... The issues are Roe v Wade and sexism, and race and whether or not Obama is Muslim... NOT the economy, Not the War... I repeat "not the economy"... or not so much, some hope. Also with so much dirty fighting, the StormFronts and White Supremacists also love using the "Obama is Antichrist" game.

  • 90 - John

    Oct 11, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    I found this on the web, I have been concerned more and more with things I have been hearing about Obama since Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden brought things up. This is just one more thing. An Obama supporter calls him the great king prophesied in the bible, calls him the king of the north (he obviously does not know the king of the north is the Antichrist) in bible prophesy. To me this is just another person associated with Obama that bothers me.

    The supporter writes as a title... "The book of Isaiah chapter 18, about the future president Barack Obama" His reference to "BEYOND THE RIVERS OF ETHIOPIA" (Kenya, where Obama's father is from and his brother lives in poverty, is directly beyond Ethiopia) in Isaiah 18 and Zephaniah 3.

    This supporter writes to Barach a letter where is says... "Hail to the announced mighty king of the book of Daniel chapter 11 verses 21 to 23".

    Daniel 11 21-23 says "And in his estate (speaking of a former northern king) shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honor of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant. And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people."

    The supporter continues...

    "He who spoke in the bible about a mighty king in the region of the north, the U.S, that will be despised, and the dignity of the kingdom will not be bestowed upon him, but a king who is smooth in his speech, and mighty. A king that comes in during operation Freedom. The word despised, and dignity, in those verses refer to human dignity. Meaning racism, the color of skin. Long before, some human being were not considered dignified. But all these consideration will not hurt you."
    Later he says...

    "Great people of the past, whether they were Hebrews or Ancient-Egyptians, or Cushites were considered by the creator himself human gods. Not God Almighty, but human gods. We are talking about great people."

    This support obviously sees Barach Obama as a god.

  • 91 - Cindy D

    Oct 11, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    John,

    You're shocked that there are crackpots in the world?

    I'm not sure how one supporter with his crazy ideas worries you.

  • 92 - rebecca

    Oct 25, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Your lack of theological knowledge is stunning.

  • 93 - Simon Icke UK

    Nov 10, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    It is my belief also that Obama and his family are good people and of good character as Martin Luther King said a man or woman should be judged not by the colour of their skin or indeed whether they are a republican or a democrat but by their character.. Whatever Obama's previous voting record on abortion. He has pledged to listen to all the people and represent all the people whether democrat or republican, black or white etc. So give the man a chance I say and pray for him. In his hard fought victory, he deserves our respect to become the President of the USA against all the odds. Where is your faith Oh Christian, or your belief in the power of prayer; that all things are possible for those who believe.

    Don't listen to the false prophets of doom who would seek to divide the nation by coming out with such outrageous statements as 'Obama is the anti-christ'. Such talk just confirms how extreme and unbalanced some parts of the Christian right in the US have become. Even to Christians their wild imaginings, false accusations and fear tactics have become so scary that many Christians believe they have lost the plot and forgotten the basis of their Christian love for all, and isn't it true as that with true Christian love ( a love that I didn't recognize in most of the Christian right scare mongering before the election, indeed some so called Christian leaders should hold their head in shame at some of the blind prejudice and hatred they spewed out prior to the election, it certainly wasn't Christian), remember all things are possible for those who have faith in the living Lord Jesus Christ..

    Obamas victory has given hope to millions not just in the US but around the world. Most of these people had no hope before as they never dared to dream one day a black man would become president of the USA.

  • 94 - jack

    Dec 14, 2008 at 11:52 am

    1st of all not all christians are against Obama. He is not the Anti-christ. There will be an anti christ however. There is already a company that sells an implantable microchip. The companies name is VeriChip. Yes the christian right might pray on your ignorance but so does the liberal left with their demoralization of america. Political correctness is not always the right answer. If I see two gay men on t.v kissing then I change the channel. When I hear people saying there is no such thing as sin on tv then I change the channel. THERE IS SIN, THERE IS A PLACE CALLED HELL, JESUS CHRIST IS THE SAVIOR AND THE ONLY WAY TO PARADISE IS THROUGH HIM.

  • 95 - terri

    Dec 14, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Hey isn't the mark of the beast just a tattoo with 666 inscribed on your arm?

  • 96 - jack

    Dec 14, 2008 at 11:58 am

    No, it is a RFID tag (implantable microchip) that will be implanted in your hand or shoulder. This RFID tag is already on the market. Google VeriChip corp and you will see that the technology is here. Do not ever accept the mark of the beast. Credit cards work just fine and you do notneed to implant them in your body. Are we a product that needs to be barcoded? NO!!!!!!!!

  • 97 - terri

    Dec 14, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    Wow i looked at the website and you are right there is a product like that. This kinda scares me. This looks like a huge invasion of privacy. I will tell everyone I know not to get this chip implanted in themselves.

  • 98 - jack

    Dec 14, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    How bout never get any microchip implants due to the fact that we are not robots!!! Did you know that churches have been saying that this would happen like way back in the 50's. probaby even earlier. Revelation clearly talks about the mark of the beast. Revelation was written atleast a thousand years ago.

  • 99 - Jet

    Dec 14, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    Isn't it fascinating how these fools can find stuff in the bible, but never before it happens?

  • 100 - marlowe

    Dec 14, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    What's even more amazing Jet is that these guys find my articles MONTHS after the import of them is essentially over (not that the "whisperings" about Obama have halted - they've just retired to deeper and darker corners). Geez, come on people - READ Blogcritics in a timely manner!

  • 101 - Dave Nalle

    Dec 14, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Marlowe, I think these fine faith-filled folks were drawn in by Realist's sacriligious screed which was published yesterday and then looked around for anything similar and found this article.

    Personally I find his vagueness on when Revelation was written to be the most amusing.

    Dave

  • 102 - marlowe

    Dec 14, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    I just saw his post headline... Was gonna grab another cup-o-joe before reading it and then struggling to resist responding... trying to hit a deadline for a production company... sigh... I'm gonna have to look...

  • 103 - Jet

    Dec 14, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    Dave, if you scramble all the letters in these fresh comments, you find that your remark was foretold.

    Who would name their aunt Christ anyway?

  • 104 - Ruvy

    Dec 14, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    I find all the Christian "Auntie-Christ" stuff amusing - I would find the Jewish stuff amusing too - except that it seems to be coming true.

    When I tried to explain to Lisa Warren that there are "anti-messianic" figures in Jewish literature, she wagged her "reformed" Jewish finger at me telling her not to make her put her fingers in her ears so she wouldn't have to listen to something she doesn't agree with. I'd say more, but I'm trying to remain polite. She has trouble comprehending that there is more to Judaism than her half-agnostic Ethical Culture claptrap. Her loss, not mine. She has run away to the Books section of BC where virtually nobody bothers to comment on anything. She should live long and prosper there.

    The rest of you can look up what I wrote upthread if it interests you. I'm not going to bother reposting it here. Just to make a long story short, though, the second anti-messianic figure I mentioned, Shabtai Tzvi, declared (from his prison cell, no less!) that his power would begin to manifest itself on 18/6/1666 - ON THE CHRISTIAN CALENDAR! There are enough triple sixes in that number to win you the Trifecta or a nice sum of money on a lotto ticket. So, while for me Revelation is mostly just a lot of nonsense, there appears to have been a couple of items in it worth paying attention to.

    As for Shabtai Tzvi himself, he converted to Islam and founded a Turkish sect known as the Dönmeh, and this sect has been pretty influential in Turkish politics for a long time. But he continued to have a few Jewish followers also.

    One such follower of his, Jakob Frank, converted to Catholicism (noticing a pqttern with the conversion bit here?), and, after talking one of the Polish monsignors or bishops into burning all the Talmuds in his bishopric, fled to Germany and managed to get in with a Jewish money-changer named Bauer who had a red shield as his symbol above his shop - "roth Schild" means red shield in German....

    Frank was a nasty piece of work who preached that all of the ten commandments had to be broken in order to hasten the coming of the messiah. That means illicit sexual relations, lying, cursing G-d, murder, robbery, the works....

    He got pretty influential with Jews in Germany running away from Judaism and smelly ghettos. The fellow who founded "reform" Judaism seemed to have been taken by Frank. You can't realize how utterly boring and empty "reform" Judaism is until you've gone to one of their "temples" for Yom Kippur (like I did). So there must have been something "more" to the "reforms" than the textbooks list, and I'm willing to bet that a flirtation with Jakob Frank's ideas was one of them.

    But that is just a bar-room bet kind of thing, so don't send the three-pieced suits after me with law-suits for defamation. I'll just break their heads with a baseball bat if they show up at my door.

    I've said enough nasty things to get enough people upset, so, like I said upthread, look up the works of Rabbi Marvin Antelman if you really want to get a clear picture of what I'm talking about here.

  • 105 - RICHARD SCHURZ

    May 10, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Hi,

    Enclosed is a Bible study of the 7 Bible clues which reveal the identity of the coming antichrist of the Great Tribulation. Hoping for your comments and feedback.

    Your eternal friend in Jesus,

    Richard

    WHAT ARE THE 7 BIBLE CLUES WHICH REVEAL THE IDENTITY OF THE COMING ANTICHRIST OR BEAST OF THE END-TIMES??

    Revelation 13:17b,18: "The mark of the Beast {Or antichrist} is the *NAME* of the Beast or the number of *HIS NAME*. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, *LET HIM* calculate the number of the Beast {Even in AD 96 when Revelation was written}, for it is a man's number {Or "Number of a MAN"}. *HIS* number is *666*." God has promised in the above inspired passage that any saint {Even in AD 96--which implies that the name was known in AD 96} with spiritual wisdom and insight may calculate the name of the Beast which is a *MAN'S NAME* and adds up to 666.
    In Thess 2:3 the Beast of the End-Times is called a "*MAN* of sin or lawlessness" or very SINFUL MAN and therefore the name of the Beast which adds up to 666 is a *MAN'S* name which is also confirmed in Rev 13:17b,18 above. Therefore, the NAME of the Beast which adds up to 666 is a sinful *MAN'S NAME* and could not be the name of a woman or a city, country, computer or Satan, etc.. Rev 13:16,17: "He {The False Prophet} forced everyone... to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead. No one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the BEAST {Nero Caesar??} or the number of his name {666}. The antichrist is called a "BEAST" 36 {6x6} times in Revelation and is a much better name than antichrist since antichrist is mentioned 4 times in God's Word {I John 1:18, 22; 4:3; 2 John 1:7} and each time the word encompasses all who are against Christ. Surely all who receive the Mark of the BEAST are antichrists.
    Actually there are 7 BIBLE CLUES that show who the BEAST of the future 1260-day Tribulation will be. By an amazing coincidence all 7 Bible clues can be applied to Nero Caesar!!
    {1} The BEAST will be a "MAN OF SIN" or very sinful MAN as per 2 Thess 2:3 above.
    {2} The number of this sinful man's name is 666 as per Rev 13:16-18. The Bible was written by 40 divinely inspired Hebrews in Hebrew and Greek; so then it is highly probable that this man's name adds up to 666 in Hebrew or Greek. Nero Caesar's name adds up to 666 in Hebrew which we will show later in this Bible study.
    {3} This sinful man whose name adds up to 666 died BEFORE AD 96 when Revelation was written.{See Rev 17:8 below} We will show later why Revelation was written between Sept AD 95 and Sept AD 96. Nero Caesar lived from December 15th, AD 37 to June 9th AD 68.
    {4} This sinful man who was alive and then died before AD 96 was FATALLY WOUNDED by a sword wound to his head. Nero Caesar committed suicide with a sword wound to his head on June 9th, AD 68. {See Rev 13:3 and Rev 13:14 below}
    {5} This very sinful man who died before AD 96 was a KING in the Roman Empire as per Daniel 7:24. There were 11 Roman Kings or Caesars who died before AD 96 including the 6th Roman Caesar who killed Paul and Peter in AD 66; and whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew. Domitian Caesar was the 12th Caesar who was alive when Revelation was written in AD 96.
    {6} The beast is also called an 8th KING who ruled before AD 96 as one of 7 KINGS crowned by the city on 7 hills. {Rev 17:9-11} The identity of these 8 KINGS will be discussed later in this article.
    {7} This very sinful ROMAN KING whose name adds up to 666 and who was fatally wounded by a sword before AD 96, will "COME UP FROM THE *ABYSS* or hell as per Rev 11:7 & Rev 17:8. We know that the ABYSS is HELL by comparing 2 Peter 2:4 with Luke 8:30b,31. We can be sure that Nero Caesar is now in the Abyss or Hell since he killed Paul and Peter and thousands of Christians and sent Vespasian {the father of Titus and Domitian Caesar} to kill the Jews and destroy their Temple. The MAN OF SIN or Nero also killed his own mother and killed his pregnant wife by kicking her in the stomach.
    Revelation 17:8: The beast, which you saw, once was {alive}, Now {in AD 96} is not {alive} and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book life.. .. will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was {Before AD 96}, now {In AD 96} is not {Alive} and yet will come. Rev 13:14: He {The False Prophet} will order the inhabitants of the earth to set up an image in honor of the beast who was {FATALLY-Rev 13:3} wounded by the sword and yet lived." Rev 13:3: One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound. but the fatal wound had been HEALED!! The whole world was astonished and followed the beast.

    When I was a missionary in Israel I studied the Hebrew language. One of the first things that you learn when you study the OT Ancient Hebrew language {Which is also the language of Israel today!} is that the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet ALSO represent 22 numbers! When you read Psalm 119 you will note that the 176 sentences are divided into 22 sections; each section with 8 sentences or verses praising the Word of God. These 22 sections are each headed by one of the letters in the Hebrew alphabet in the exact same order as shown below. The ancient Hebrew language {Which is exactly the same as the modern Hebrew language} frequently used the letters of their alphabet to designate NUMBERS IN THE OT as follows:
    ALEPH=1. BETH=2. GIMEL=3. DALET=4. HE=5. VAV=6. ZAYIN=7. CHETH=8. TETH=9. YODH=10. KAPH=20. LAMED=30. MEM=40. NUN=50. SAMEKH=60. AYIN=70. PE=80. TSADHE=90. KOPH=100. RESH=200. SHIN=300. TAV=400.
    NOTE: Most vowel sounds excpt "O" {VAV} are not used as letters in Hebrew. These vowel sounds are designated by dots and dashes under their *PRECEDING* consonants. In Hebrew "N" is added on the end of all foreign names ending in "O". Therefore, the foreign name of Nero would be "NERON" in Hebrew. The name Nero Caesar would be pronounced Neron Kaysar in Hebrew. The "E" in Neron and the 2 "A" sounds in Kaysar {There is no "C" in Hebrew} are designated by dots and dashes under their preceding consonants and therefore are not letters in the 22 letter Hebrew alphabet, and so have no numerical value. Neron in Hebrew would use 4 letters with numerical value: N-R-O-N and Kaysar in Hebrew would use 3 letters with numerical value: K-S-R. There would be a dot under the first N to show the "E" sound in NEron There would also be 2 dots under the "K" to show the "AY" sound in KAYsar and a dash under the "S" to show the "AH" sound in KaySAHr.
    The 4 letters with numerical value in NERON would be {SEE TABLE ABOVE} N = 50; R = RESH = 200; O = VAV = 6; and N = NUN = 50 and 50+20+6+50 equals 306. The 3 letters with numerical value in "KAYSAR woyld be K = KOPH = 100; S = SAMEKH = 60; and R = RESH =200 and 100+60+200 equals 360. And so the numerical value of Nero in Hebrew is 306 and the numerical value of Caesar in Hebrew is 360, and therefore the numerical value of Nero Caesar is 306+360 or exactly *666*!
    There is a very interesting footnote in the revised Standard Version concerning the number 666 which states that some ancient manuscripts have the number **616** which *DOUBLY* confirms that Nero Caesar may be the Anti-Christ!! You will note that the Hebrew language adds an "N" to all foreign names eding in "O". Now "N" or "NUN" in Hebrew has a numerical value of **50**!! and so if you decided not to add the last "N" in NERON then Nero Caesar would add up to exactly **616** in Hebrew. I think you will admit that this is an absolutely amazing coincidence!!
    Any honest Hebrew language scholar will confirm that the letters of Nero Caesar's name add up to 666 in the Hebrew language whose 22 letters are also 22 numbers as shown above. Since all of the prophecies concerning the Antichrist are written in OT Hebrew {Like Daniel 7:8-25} or NT Koine Greek it would then seem logical that God would use one of these 2 Bible languages to identify the Name of the Beast whose letters add up to 666. One of the problems of doing this in NT Koine Greek is that the letters of their alphabet are not also numbers. And therefore you can only assign a numerical value of 22 to the 22nd letter, etc.. Using this formula you could not get any name to add up to over 250, let alone 666. You have the same problem with English and all other languages other than the Hebrew language!
    NOTE: The 3 different Greek words used in Revelation 13:18b to arrive at the number 666 are the 3 different Greek words for 600 and 60 and 6 and not 6 + 6 + 6.
    Will the 6th Caesar {Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius & the *6th* is NERO who ordered the execution of Paul & Peter in AD *66*} be the Beast who comes up from the Abyss {Or Hell-See Rev 11:7 & Rev 17:8} in the coming Great Tribulation??

    Rev 1:8,9: "I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos beacuse of the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus." We know that the island of Patmos was the site of a Roman prison in the first Century and that the Apostle John was suffering in this prison because of his religious beliefs. {As per Rev 1:8,9 above} The island of Patmos is about 30 miles from the port of Ephesus in Western Turkey.
    History tells us that the second huge Roman persecution of Christians {The first was NERO'S PERSECUTION OF JULY AD 64 {When Rome burned} TO JUNE AD 68 OR 47 MONTHS} occurred in the last year of the reign of Domitian Caesar which would have been from September AD 95 to September AD 96. During the last year of his rule Domitian Caesar decreed that everyone in the Roman Empire must worship idols of former Roman Caesar's or else they would be killed or put in prison. Historical documents show us that the Apostle John {Who then lived in Ephesus} lived to about AD 100 and therefore would have been alive during Domitian's evil decree of September Ad 95 to September of AD 96. Since we can be sure that the Apostle John would never worship an idol of a Roman Caesar it is then highly probable that John was put in prison on Patmos Isle sometime during Domitian's evil decree from September AD 95 to September AD 96. Rev 1:10,11: "On the Lord's Day I {John} was in the spirit and I heard a loud voice {Jesus} said, 'Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the 7 churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatria, Sardis, Philadelphis and Laodicea." The last 6 churches are all in Western Turkey within 77 miles of Ephesus. About 50 years earlier Paul had started churches in these 7 cities. Paul always had Jewish converts in the cities where he preached since he had the habit of teaching in Jewish synagogues on the Sabbath. It was then highly probable that all 7 of these chuches had Jewish believers who were very familiar with the Hebrew language and of course knew that the 22 letters of the Jewish alphabet are also 22 numbers and also remembered the first Roman persecution by Nero or the "MAN OF SIN" about 30 years earlier when Paul & Peter and thousands of Christians were martyred because of Nero Caesar. Nero also sent Vespasian, the father of Titus and Domitian; to kill the Jews and destroy their Temple. He also killed his mother and killed his pregnant wife by kicking her in the stomach.

    Christian writings in the early 2nd century AD show that many Christians at that time believed that Nero Caesar {Who adds up to 666 in Hebrew} would return as the BEAST of the End-Times. Rev 13:18: "This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight {Even in AD 96}, let him {Even in AD 96} calculate the Beast, for it is a man's number. His {Nero Caesar's} number is 666!" And so the above Scripture absolutely guarantees that anyone with spiritual wisdom and insight could figure out who the Anti-Christ of the End-Times would be even when Revelation was first given to the churches in AD 96, and that the number of his name adds up to 666. This would of course mean that the future antichrist must have been alive before AD 96 when this Scripture was given to the churches. Nero Caesar {Whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew} certainly qualified since he lived from Dec 15th, AD 37 to June 9th, AD 68 when he was fatally wounded by his own SWORD.
    Revelation 17:8b: "Those whose names have not been written in the Book of Life will be astonished when they see the beast {666}, because he once was {Alive--AD 37-68} now in AD 96 is not {Alive}, and yet will come." {During the Great Tribulation} The Beast once was {Alive before AD 96} now is not {Alive in AD 96}, and will come out of the ABYSS {Or HELL} and go to his destruction." {On the last Day-See Rev 19:20b}
    The fact that the ABYSS is HELL is confirmed by comparing 2 Peter 2:4 with Luke 8:30b,31: 2 Peter 2:4: "God did not spare the angels when they sinned but sent them into HELL, putting them in gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment." Luke 8:30b,31: "Many demons {Or Hell's Angels} had gone into him {A demon-possessed man}. And they begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them into the ABYSS! {Because they had already been in Hell or the ABYSS before!!} Also in Luke 16:22-24 we read that there was a rich man already in HELL at the time of Jesus. Now we can be absolutely certain that an evil Roman king from the city on 7 hills; who was fatally wounded by a sword *BEFORE* Revelation was written in AD 96; and whose name adds up to 666 is presently in this ABYSS or HELL!!
    All historical documents agree that Nero Caesar {The 6th Caesar who ordered the execution of Paul & Peter in AD 66 and whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew} was fatally wounded by his own SWORD on June 9th AD 68. In Revelation 13:14b we learn that the False Prophet of 666 will order the building of a statue of 666 "Who was {FATALLY-See Rev 13:3} wounded by the SWORD and yet lived!" {AGAIN} Nero Caesar {Whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew} again qualifies for this inspired clue as to the identity of the BEAST. Nero's 4-year Roman persecution began when he blamed the Christians for the burning of Rome in AD 64; and ended when Nero was fatally wounded by his own SWORD on June 9th, AD 68.
    Almost all conservative Bible theologians agree that the 4th Beast of Daniel 7:7,19 is the *ROMAN* Empire. In Daniel 7:20,21 we learn that a little horn who is also called a *KING* in Daniel 7:24 will come from this *ROMAN* Empire. Daniel 7:24b,25-27: “A *KING* {From the *ROMAN* Empire--Nero Caesar??} will arise…. He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints. The saints will be handed over to him for a Time, Times and ½ a Time.” “But the court will sit, and his {666 or the Roman King or the Beast or Nero Caesar-See Rev 19:20,21 and 2 Thess 2:8} power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. *THEN* the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole Heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His Kingdom will be an everlasting Kingdom.”
    Revelation 6:7,8: When the Lamb opened the 4th seal, I heard the voice of the 4th living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death {666, who will cause the death of millions} and Hades {The False Prophet who will cause millions to go to Hades by receiving the mark of 666} was following close behind him. THEY {Nero Caesar and the False Prophet} were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth. Daniel 7:8,20,24 says that an evil Roman King will conquer 3 of the 10 kingdoms {which will cover one fourth of the earth??}--Russia {Combined with former Soviet Union}, China and India cover one fourth of the earth and have over one fourth of the world's population! These 3 kingdoms may object and become jealous of 666 and his False Prophet ruling every country in the world.
    The following 10 powerful nations have about 50% of the world's population and about 70 % of the world's military power and certainly have the military, political and "religious" power to control and rule all the nations of the world: #1. United States #2. Russia #3. China {1.3 Billion} #4. Great Britain #5. France #6. India {1.1 Billion} #7. Germany #8. Japan #9. Brazil #10. Egypt. Brazil borders every country in South America except Chile. Egypt is the university, intellectual and theological center of Islam. After appointing 10 kings who have never before ruled {See Rev 17:12,13} in these 10 nations 666 will then have "authority over every tribe, people, language and nation" as per Rev 13:7b, from his headquarters in Rome. 666 and his False prophet will then quickly gain complete control over the radio, tv, internet, newspaper, book and magazine medias. There are some who suggest that these 10 nations will all come from Europe and will not include Russia, China, India, Japan and the USA and will therefore only have about 5 % of the world's population and about 20% of the world's military power.
    Revelation 13:4: Men worshipped the dragon {Satan}, and they also worshipped the beast {666 or Nero Caesar} and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?
    The next 4 paragraphs are an interesting SPECULATION about what might happen at the beginning of the 1260-day Great Tribulation and who might be the future false propet of 666.
    And so Nero Caesar with the help of the armies of the False Prophet {Obama??} and other nations aligned with him will conquer 1/4 of the world {See Rev 6:8; 13:4b} and then 666 will appoint 10 kings over 10 kingdoms to rule the world who have never before ruled {see Rev 17:12-14} and who will then take orders from 666 and his False Prophet from their headquarters in the evil city on 7 HILLS or Rome.{See Rev 17:9}
    Revelation 6:6: "A quart of wheat for a day's wages!" This phrase can also be translated "A loaf of bread for a day's wages." This event will occur at the coming of the black horse rider {Rev 6:5} which will take place just before or at the beginning of the Great Tribulation. Because of the world's present economic crises the peoples in the 40 poorest counties now have to pay a full day's wages for a loaf of bread as per Rev 6:6. And if the world experiences a world-wide depression this event could occur in over 100 countries. The world economic crises is rapidly accelarating. Many countries are far worse off than people in the USA during the Great Depression when there was 20 % unemployment. The world economic crises is rapidly accelarating. There are now 40 countries with unemployment rates of over 30 % and this should rapidly increase. And then the world will certainly be looking for an Economic Savior such as 666 and his very deceptive False Prophet. They will be looking for someone who promises CHANGE!! If the Great Tribulation would begin in the near future is there a well-known, powerful world leader that may qualify to be the deceptive False Prophet of 666 who will promise CHANGE you can believe in!! Will this powerful world leader try to bankrupt the USA which will in turn cause a worldwide depression and cause the price of a loaf of bread to cost a full day's wages??? 666 is called a beast 36{6x6} times in Revelation and the false prophet is also called a beast in Rev 13:11. Obama has nicknamed his presidential Limoisine "THE BEAST". The False Prophet is featured in Revelation 13:11-17; 16:13; 19:20 & 20:10.
    Do Obama's religious beliefs qualify him as a False Prophet?? Some insight into Obama's "Christianity" comes from an interview he gave in 2004 to Chicago Sun-Times religion editor Cathleen Falsani for her book, "The God Factor: Inside the Spiritual Lives of Public People."
    I'm rooted in the Christian tradition," said Obama. He then adds something most Christians will see as universalism: "I believe there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people." Jesus says of Himself, "I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." That sounds exclusive, but Obama says it depends on how this verse is heard. According to Falsani, Obama thinks that "all people of faith -- Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone -- know the same God. "Obama doesn't believe he, or anyone else, will go to hell. But he's not sure he'll be going to heaven, either." The False Prophet will certainly teach that you can have your cake and eat it too, and that you will not go to hell if you receive the Mark of the Beast; allowing you to buy or sell everything. However, Rev 14:9-11; 19:20 & 20:10 confirm that he and all who receive the Mark of the Beast will be tormented day and night for ever and ever in Hell!

    NOTE: There are many statues of the exact likeness of Nero Caesar including a 151 foot statue in the "Golden House" in Rome. The Statue of Liberty {Without pedestal} is also exactly 151 feet high... hmmm. At the beginning of Great Tribulation the False Prophet of 666, Rev 13:14: "Will order the people of the earth to set up a statue in honor of the beast who was wounded {Fatally-Rev 13:3} by the SWORD and yet lived!" {Again} This staue of the Beast will be the "exact likeness" of Nero Caesar and could possibly be seen on World Wide TV so that people of all nations will be able to worship this statue as per Rev 13:15b. Obama's Air Force 1 plane just had a photo op with the Statue of Liberty....Hmmm.... WARNING: The possible identity of the future False Prophet of 666 is just an interesting SPECULATION.

    "Babylon" is called a CITY 7 times in Revelation, chapter 18, and a SEAPORT in Rev 18:17-19. Peter was inspired to call Rome "Babylon" in I Peter 5:13. Rome is a CITY and a SEAPORT built on 7 HILLS! Babylon and Jerusalem are not seaports and are not built on 7 hills!
    Rev 13:14-17: The False Prophet deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was {FATALLY-Rev 13:3} wounded by the sword and yet lived. He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast {666}, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. He also forced everyone to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast {NERO CAESAR} or the number of his name {666}. And God will supply all the needs of His faithful and corageous Tribulation saints just as He miraculously supplied all the needs of the Israelites for 40 years in the wilderness. {See Matt 6:31-34}
    Rev 13:5-10: The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for 42 {30-day} months {Or 1260 days or time, times and 1/2 a time-See Dan 7:25 & Dan 12:1,2,6b,7b}..... He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb.... This call for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.
    Matt 24:9-12...Matt 24:29-31: Jesus says, "Then {During the 42-month Great Tribulation} you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by ALL nations because of Me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved... Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from the sky.' At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the **CLOUDS**{See Rev 1:7; Mark 14:62 & I Thess 4:16,17} of the sky, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud **TRUMPET**{See Rev 10:7; 11:15-18; I Cor 15:51,52; I Thess 4:16} call, and they will gather His elect from the 4 winds, from one end of the heavens to the other." {Mark 13:27 adds, "From the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
    There will be 2 Comings of Jesus on the same Last Day: The first above was *FOR* His saints and then after the Marraige Feast of the Lamb Jesus will come *WITH* His saints as per Rev 19:6-8; 11,14,19-21: "Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns, Let us rejoice and be glad and give Him glory! For the Wedding of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready, fine linen, bright and clean was given her to wear.... I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True... The armies of Heaven were following Him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean... Then I saw a beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the Rider on the horse and His army {See Rev 17:14 & Jude 14,15}. But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs and his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshipped his image. The two of them were thrown ALIVE into the fiery lake of burning sulfur {See 2 Thess 2:8}. The rest of them were killed by the sword that came out of the mouth of the Rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh. Rev 20:10b: They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    WILL THE CITY ON 7 HILLS OR ROME BE THE END-TIME BABYLON?? AND WHO ARE THE 7 KINGS {REV 17:10} FROM THE CITY BUILT ON 7 HILLS??

    Most Bible scholars believe that the book of First Peter was written shortly after the beginning of Nero’s Roman persecution of Christians in AD 64 because of I Peter 4:12,13 & 5:8,9. We know that Peter and his wife were living in Rome at this time. Peter was inspired to write in I Peter 5:13: “She {Peter’s wife} who is in *BABYLON* {Nickname for *ROME*!} sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.” Apparently some Christians including Peter were inspired to call ROME “BABYLON” after Nero’s terrible persecution of Christians starting in AD 64. This is very interesting since the evil city of the End-Times is called “BABYLON” 6 times in Revelation 14:8; 16:19; 17:5; 18:2,10,21. Ancient Babylon Had destroyed God's Holy Temple and God's Holy City, Jerusalem; and killed, exiled and persecuted God's people for 70 years. Actually all encyclopedias agree that Babylon was completely evacuated in 275 BC and completely destroyed by 141 BC. The Wikipedia encyclopedia states, "By 141 BC, when the Parthian Empire took over the region, Babylon was in complete desolation and obscurity." The only question that remains is: Was Babylon rebuilt so that there could be people living in Babylon around AD 65 when Peter wrote 1 Peter 5:13??? Which leads us to the promises of God in Jeremiah 50:1-3,13: This is the word the Lord spoke through Jeremiah concerning Babylon.."Babylon will be captured... A nation from the north will attack her and lay waste her land. No one will live in it; both men and animals will flee away!" Jeremiah 52:52:61-64: When you get to Babylon, see that you read all these words aloud. Then say, "O Lord, you have said you will destroy this place, so that neither man nor animal will live in it; IT WILL BE DESOLATE FOREVER When you finish readiing this scroll, tie a stone to it and throw it into the Euphrates. Then say, "So will Babylon SINK TO RISE NO MORE because of the disaster I will bring upon her." And God ALWAYS keeps His promises.
    And God kept His promise for about 2284 years; since ancient Babylon is still a pile of rubble to this very day, and will remain that way until the Last Day of the Planet Earth; for God always keeps His promises. In Revelation “Babylon” {Nicknamed Rome by Peter} is a “GREAT SEAPORT” in Rev 18:17-19; JUST LIKE ROME and UNLIKE Babylon whose ruins are NOW 4 miles from the very shallow Euphrates River; or Jerusalem which is 2000 to 3000 feet above sea level and 35 miles from the Mediterranean Sea. Babylon is also completely FLAT whereas the End-Time "Babylon" will be a city built on 7 Hills JUST LIKE ROME!!
    Rev 17:18: “The woman you saw {Rev 17:3--Who sits with the Beast with 7 heads} is the great *CITY* {Rome--nicknamed Babylon in I Peter 5:13--See Rev 17:5a} that will rule over the kings of the earth.” {During the Great Tribulation} Rev 17:9-11: “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The 7 heads are 7 hills on which the woman {Or city of Rome} sits.” Rome is a city built on 7 HILLS!! They {The 7 Heads} are also 7 KINGS {From the city on 7 hills or Rome}. Five {Of these 7 KINGS} have fallen {Or died before AD 96}, one {the 6th KING} *IS* {Or reigning when Revelation was written in AD 96}, the other {or 7th KING} has not yet come, but when he {The 7th KING} does come, he must remain for for a little while. {Possibly the False Prophet of 666 {Or Black Horse Rider} who will be anointed by Satan just before the coming of the 8th KING {Or Pale Horse Rider} who ruled before as one of the 7 Kings} The beast {Nero Caesar who once was {Alive from Dec 15, AD 37 to June 9, AD 68}, and NOW {In AD 96} is not {Alive} is an 8th KING. He belongs to the 7 {KINGS}, because He once was {Alive-AD 37-68} NOW {In AD 96} is not {Alive}, and yet will come {1260 days before the Last Day}."
    WHO ARE OR WILL BE THE 8 KINGS OF REV 17:10,11?? ROME APPOINTED THE JEWISH KINGS AFTER THEY CONQUERED ISRAEL IN 63 BC AND THE 7 KINGS OF REV 13:1B all had "blasphemous names" so we can assume that they were evil kings who had killed or persecuted Jesus and His followers. And so the first 3 EVIL KINGS {Who are all called KINGS in God's Word{See Matt 2:1; Mark 6:25,26 & Acts 12:1} were all Israeli KINGS who killed or persecuted Jesus and His followers} and who were appointed by the evil city on 7 hills or Rome:

    AND SO THE 8 KINGS WERE OR WILL BE:

    ** {#1} ** Herod the Great who tried to kill the baby Jesus: Rev 12:3-5: "Another sign appeared in Heaven : An enormous red DRAGON {Or Satan-See Rev 12:9} with 7 heads {Or 7 KINGS-See Rev 17:10a}... and 7 crowns on his {7} heads {Satan crowns the 7 kings whereas 666 crowns the 10 horns}. The DRAGON {Or Satan} stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her Child the moment he was born {Thru his first evil king or Herod the Great as per Matt 2:13b,16!!} She gave birth to a Son {Jesus} a male Child, who will rule the nations with an iron scepter!!"
    **{#2}** Herod who killed John the Baptist and ridiculed and tortured Jesus {See Matt 14:1-12; Luke 23:7-11}
    **{#3}** Herod Antipas who killed the Apostle James and tried to kill Peter. {See Acts 12:1-5,19-23} **{#4}** Nero Caesar who will come again as the 8th KING who will be the BEAST of the End-Times.
    **{#5}** Titus Caesar who killed thousands of Christians when he destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in AD 70. Titus is also mentioned as a "Prince" in Daniel 9:26. Titus Caesar was the oldest son of Vespasian Caesar who was Caesar from Dec AD 69 to AD 79; and therefore heir and Crown *PRINCE* to the throne in Rome and was Caesar from AD 79 to AD 81.
    **{#6**}** Domitian Caesar the 6th KING {"NOW IS"} was ruling in AD 96, and decreed in the last year of his reign {Sept AD 95 to Sept AD 96} that everyone must worship former Roman Caesars {Like Nero} or be killed and put in prison. {Like the Apostle John who was living in Ephesus at that time.}
    **{#7}** Possibly the False Prophet of 666 who will be crowned the 7th evil King of Rome by Satan shortly before the coming of the:
    **{8th}** KING or Nero Caesar {The End-Time Beast or Anti-Christ}; who ruled before as one of the **7 KINGS** The 4TH & 8TH KING will come up up from the Abyss or Hell exactly 1260 days before the last Day to rule from the evil city on 7 hills or Rome.
    Rev 17:6: “The woman {ROME} will be drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bear testimony to Jesus.” While in in Rev 13:7 we learn that the Anti-Christ will be given “power to make war against the saints and to conquer them.” And in Rev 13:15b we read that 666 will “cause all who refuse to worship his statue to be killed.” We must therefore conclude that the evil city “on 7 hills” or Rome will be the HEADQUARTERS of 666 during the Great Tribulation.
    666 will very quickly conquer 1/4th of the world with many miracles {See Rev 6:8; 13:4} and will then appoint 10 Kings who have never before ruled over the 10 most powerful nations of the world {See Rev 17:12-14,17}. The following 10 powerful nations have about 50% of the world’s population and certainly have the military, political and “religious” power to control and rule all the nations of the world: #1. United States #2. Russia #3. China {1.3 Billion} #4. Great Britain #5. France #6. India {1.1 Billion} #7. Germany #8. Japan #9. Brazil #10. Egypt. Brazil borders every country in South America except for Chile. Egypt is the university, intellectual and theological center of Islam. And then 666 will have “authority over every tribe, people, language and nation” as per Rev 13:7b, from his headquarters in the evil city built on 7 hills or Rome.



  • 106 - Jet Gardner

    May 10, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    Baritone: If there is anything or anyone I DO hate, it's the bible thumping caterwalling evangelists who rail away at their parishoners, admonishing them to repent their sins, instructing them in their shame and fear to fill the offering plates to overflowing. Those "ministers" are truly hateful, despicable people.

    Amen Brother-amen...

    ...and yes it bore repeating

  • 107 - Jet Gardner

    May 10, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Richard had deluded himself into thinking that anyone read that platitude past the fourth paragraph.

  • 108 - roger nowosielski

    May 10, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    I've never seen a comment that long. And you're right. It's beyond me that anyone would think that they will be read.

  • 109 - roger nowosielski

    May 10, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    BTW, Ruvy should have a field day attempting to dispute all of Richard's points one by one. And if he does, we should be prepared for a ten-page response, all footnoted and fully documented.

  • 110 - Jet Gardner

    May 10, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    Roger, that's why God created Ruvy

  • 111 - roger nowosielski

    May 10, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    That's hilarious.

  • 112 - Ruvy

    May 11, 2009 at 4:45 am

    Sorry guys,

    I'm not going to dispute Richard at all. Do read the first part of his comment, though, because he very patiently explains the Hebrew alef-bet, and the most common of the several forms of gematria (calculating words from the numerical values of the letters) used in calculating back-up proofs. His analysis of "Neron Kaysar" as the 666 referred to in Revelation is certainly interesting. It makes a certain amount of sense, as Christians were still basically Jews in 65 CE, albeit Jews who had some heretical beliefs. So, that they might use a common form of gematria to identify a man they viewed as evil - the Roman emperor.

    Asa for the rest of Richard's comment, it was - long.

    Your serve, gentlemen.

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