Obama Should Learn From History - Comments Page 2

Author: LucypPublished: Mar 11, 2010 at 5:20 pm 32 comments

How Obama can take a lesson from history on how to deal with Israel.

With Israel once again doing its level best to snuff out any chance of peace talks with the Palestinians before they even begin, President Obama should be looking back to another American President on how to deal with an Israeli Government literally getting away with murder.…
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  • 26 - Ruvy

    Mar 14, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    zing,

    If you look at the last link on page 3 of my article, you get my answer - given by Caroline Glick even before this whole ruckus broke out.

    Go read her article. Then reflect on this threat by the Labor party of Israel. It is clear to any clear-eyed Israeli observer that the United States is trying not merely to interfere in the zoning of Jerusalem, the capital of a foreign country, but is also trying to bring down the Netanyahu government. Emanuel "Never waste a crisis" Rohm's fingerprints are all over this American coup attempt.

    zing, if you honestly expect to comprehend what I am telling you, you actually need to go and read the links here. If you have the sense to comprehend what is going on, you will comprehend that the United States is manufacturing a crisis to kick out Netanyahu.

    Yes, the Americans are imperious bullies, and unless Netanyahu shows the balls of a real leader, he will be writing his memoirs. The Arabs are doing what they always do - going along for the ride on the American gravy train while they bitch and moan.

    You may not like what I write, but before you shoot back some snarky answer, READ THE LINKS AND THINK ABOUT THEM. Otherwise, you are not worth answering at all.

  • 27 - zingzing

    Mar 14, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    a lot of that reads like a conspiracy theory and is quite antithetical to stated us aims in israel. if, as you say, the us is "manufacturing a crisis," and i must admit that this thing is getting much larger than it should be, then i'm not sure why.

    still, what made you change your rhetoric from "They've been warned of what Obama might be trying to pull off" to "this american coup attempt?" and if this is a coup, who are they going to put in netanyahu's place?

    and if, as you constantly complain, netanyahu is just an american stooge, WHY would they want to replace him? you can't have it both ways.

    it seems to me that no matter what the us does, you'll see the worst in it. the simple fact is that there are peace talks coming up and israel decided to do the one thing (short of shooting off some missiles) guaranteed to inflame palestine.

    but still, i have to admit that this seems like a funny thing to spark "the biggest test of us-israeli relations" since whatever. but i still doubt that there's any coup attempt going on.

  • 28 - Ruvy

    Mar 14, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    zing,

    The idea is to replace Netanyahu (who is an American stooge) with a more compliant and more willing American stooge - probably Tzipora Livni coupled with Ehud Barak. Given that the Americans feel they have their pick of stooges (and it must appear in Washington that they do, the way the Israeli leaders kow-tow and beg like kept mistresses and whores), why not have the best for their own interests?

    That is what they have in Mahmoud Abbas, a man who legally holds no office at all (his term is expired, and nobody has been chosen to replace him), but is considered by all to be the head of the "Palestinian Authority" - because America says so.

    When you control all sides of the "negotiating" table, you can't lose, can you?

  • 29 - zingzing

    Mar 14, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    so you think they'd go to all this trouble in order to make what is, for all intents and purposes, just a lateral move?

    and if we're winning in the middle east, we apparently aren't playing the right game.

  • 30 - Silas Kain

    Mar 16, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Sorry to be so late to the debate. "Learning from history" is a MAJOR part of the problem. We don't learn a damn thing. We just repeat that which is the root cause of our collective misery. It's time to UNDERSTAND history. It's time to reject the old ways and rivalries. It's time to say, "yes, all these horrible things happened to Jews, Armenians, Native Americans, Muslims, whatever." And then we move on in the spirit of a new day.

    I just spent three days at the International Seafood Show in Boston. I met with people in the FDA, FTC, and from 40 different countries. What I learned was mind boggling and mind changing. I will report soon.

  • 31 - todd keller

    Mar 18, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    well ruvy you seem to love bashing America, but if we didn't come into WW 2 we probably wouldn't be having a conversation about Israel at all.So from all my fellow veterans that died in Europe,including my grandfather, Have a nice day. Keller=German get it.

  • 32 - Kenn Jacobine

    Mar 19, 2010 at 1:33 am

    Great article - you beat me to it. Sorry Ruvy. The administration will rant and rave and talk tough but at the end of the day will not suggest any actions against Israel, not even a reprimand at the U.N. U.S./Israel relations are a farce. We support them righly or wrongly at our own peril all so that our politicians can get the money, support, and votes of the Jewish lobby and Christian Evangelicals. We will alleviate our terrorism problem when the U.S. stops supporting israel at all cost.

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