The wolfpack of Neo-Conservative pundits are now seizing on "plagiarism".
The wolfpack of Neo-Conservative pundits have been circling the Presidential primaries for months now, waiting, as the weaker candidates were slowly weeded out. Apparently now they have decided on their victims and are closing in for the kill. This week they launched their attack on Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle. The indignant horror of said pundits was obvious as they described what they saw as the audacity of plagiarism committed by the Obamas in using lines from speeches given by other people (who happened to be friends of the family).…
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26 - Pablo
Oh and Obnoxious American?
If you are (which I highly doubt) going to attempt to open your mind just a wee bit, while you are googling William Kristol, you might also google Leo Strauss.
I am amazed that people who have called themselves "conservatives" for years have been taken in by the neo cons. Here are a few primary examples of the main differences between them, aside from the fact that neocons love despotic forms of government, and hate the US constitution.
Mainstream conservatives are fiercly for the 2nd amendment. Neocons are not.
Mainstream consvs are for secure borders, neocons are not.
Mainstream consvs are for a balanced budget, neocons are for deficit spending for the FED.
Mainstream consvs are very anti communist, neo cons are not only not particulary anti communists, numerous of their ranks have been involved in communistic endeavors.
In my opinion what most "conservatives" fail to see is that their whole platform was derailed years ago, by such luminaries as Newt Gingrich, who recently openly called for restrictions on the 1st amendment.
I however will be the first to admit that the "liberals" have been just as co-opted as their counterparts.
One last thing Obnoxious, if you are searching for the truth, you are going to need all the help you can get, my hunch is that you think that you already know it, hence your pen name. I do doubt very much that you were aware of William Kristol's illustrious past, or Leo Strauss. I suspect that you also probably think that the NRA is a pro second amendment group, if you do try checking out
"Gun Owners of America". There you will find a true second amendment group, not a shill for the New World Order such as the NRA.
Good Luck Obnoxious your going to need it. :)
27 - Dave Nalle
Pablo's discussion of the difference between Neocons and traditional conservatives is good, but wrong or incomplete in two areas. First, traditional conservatives are NOT particularly hot over border issues. That's a recent development and has nothing to do with conservatism. Second, he omitted the key element of neoconservatism, the belief in a stalinist-style expansionist foreign policy. Most traditional conservatives believe in a trade based foreign policy which is generally non-interventionist.
Dave
28 - Dave Nalle
Oh, and it's not a joke about Hillary the neocon. With the rise of McCain at the head of the GOP we may well see the Neocons moving back towards the democratic party where they were firmly ensconced during the Truman era.
Dave
29 - Irene Wagner
Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan are foreign policy advisors for McCain. William Kristol and Robert Kagan were COFOUNDERS of the Project of the New American Century. The neoconservatives will find a warm welcome and a cozy home wherever they look for one.
Until people start waking up.
30 - Dave Nalle
Interesting list, Irene. I'm not sure how large a role an 'informal adviser' plays in a campaign or an administration. Sounds like a tag you put on someone just to make them feel like they're involved. Colin Powell is also on McCain's list, and he's certainly no neocon.
And speaking of Neocons, Obama has Brzezinski father and son on his list, and that's about as bad as having Bill Kristol, if in a different direction. I'd submit that the neocons are at least marginally less eager to sell out US sovereignty to foreign interests than Brezynski is. Plus, talk about interventionism. He pretty much defined it. Hell, he created Osama bin Laden for all intents and purposes.
Dave
31 - Irene Wagner
Max Boot and Randy Scheunemann also advise McCain on foreign policy, and THEIR tags are sans the humiliating "informal" designation. I don't know Dave Nalle. Maybe McCain wanted to make the PNAC-appointed president of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq feel EXTRA SPECIALLY involved. If one's wanting to make neoconservatives feel welcome at a party, what better person to have in attendance than MAX BOOT?
Yes, McCain may retain some foreign policy advisors who AREN'T neoconservatives. Still, the fact that he's seeking foreign policy advice from so many neocon luminaries--that lobs the burden of proof that he's NOT being influenced by neoconservatives SQUARELY into somebody else's side of the tennis court.
This may some shed light on the mystery of McCain's mid-nineties change of heart on foreign policy. It was "let's get out of Lebanon" and it was "no" to Iraq Part I, but then suddenly, in 1999 McCain's became gung ho about intervening in Kosovo, and his 100 year plan for Iraq is becoming legendary.
32 - Dave Nalle
I wonder if the Neocons have a mind-control ray or something.
My theory on the Neocons is that they offer a pool of foreign policy talent and expertise which some find very appealing, and a lot of more mainstream politicians don't quite grasp the philosophical underpinnings of the movement.
As for Max Boot, he's not a pureblood neocon. He's more of a fellow-traveller. I sympathize with him a lot, because his formative years in the Soviet Union likely skewed his perspective, as my teen years there did for me.
Dave
33 - Irene Wagner
#28 With the rise of McCain at the head of the GOP we may well see the Neocons moving back towards the democratic party...
Why would this be so? Did you not know that Max Boot, Bill Kristol, Robert Kagan and Randy Scheunemann were McCain's foreign policy advisors before you made that statment?
#32... a lot of more mainstream politicians don't quite grasp the philosophical underpinnings of the movement.
So, is Senator John McCain one of those more mainstream politicians....or....?
#32 I wonder if the Neocons have a mind-control ray or something.
Now, Dave Nalle, why would the Neocons need a silly thing like that when they're already foreign policy advisors to McCain?