The latest set of abortion statistics have come out for Illinois that indicate Planned Parenthood and friends "covered up" at least 290 cases of child rape during the year 2004. Local media in the state seemed to miss this during their coverage of the latest statistics.…
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— go to most recent comments26 - The Fifth Dentist
Dawn: "This is really pathetic. Is this an Onion parody..."
Technically this article is a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham. To constitute a parody, it would need to intersect with realiy in a non-inconsequentiallynon-insane
27 - Matthew T. Sussman
Travishamockery?
28 - John Bambenek
Steve S-
Contorting words happens all around, and you were doing it a few posts ago. Yes, reporting WOULD stop it, because DCFS would investigate and arrest the perp. Explain to me how arresting rapists does not stop their abuse of little girls? I didn't think they were allowed conjugal visits by their victims behind bars...
29 - Dave Nalle
Bambi, it doesn't stop it because most of the time they get out on a plea bargain or the victim refuses to testify so they are free to rape again.
Dave
30 - John Bambenek
Which is an entirely different problem. Though as I recall, even if they plea it out, they aren't allowed to have contact with the victim ever again, generally. So it least it stops that child's victimization.
31 - Matthew T. Sussman
I think a better story to report on is the ring of teenage prostitution uncovered by the Toledo Blade.
32 - Steve S
John Bambenek, I would be the first to stand by your side to help stop child predators and child rapists. Requiring planned parenthood to report to the federal government on who gets an abortion does nothing to further that end. It does further your agenda on outlawing all abortion though.
Just wait until your side gets Alito on the supreme court and abortion is banned again anyway and the whole thing becomes moot and your side wins.
33 - Dawn
JB, you aren't "contorting" words you are just plain making stuff up. Planned Parenthood's job is first and foremost to "plan for parenthood" not to prevent rape from occurring. That's really a law enforcer's job, an individual's job, society's job, a parent's job, concerned citizen's job, blah blah blah. Planned Parenthood is there is provide a service either before conception has occurred, or in some cases after.
If a person came in and said "I was raped and need help." I can assure you that Planned Parenthood would be on the side of that victim in whatever legal or humane way that they deemed possible.
Clearly this fabricated and twisted story is being used to foist your opinions of abortion onto the masses, so save us the anguish and confusion and just say, "Hey, I am against abortion and here's why dammit!" and stop pretending to be doing a Woodward and Bernstein number here, because even conservative readers aren't going to buy this huge steaming load.
34 - John Bambenek
The mandatory reporter laws do not require reports to the federal government. The do require reports to local law enforcement. Planned Parenthood, at least the medical professionals, are bound by clear and solid law to report cases of child abuse, period. There is no dispute on this. Being on the side of the victim does not entail cleaning up evidence of the crime and letting the perp walk. Whether the abortion happens or not is an aside, the fact that they let the perps continue to walk is the issue.
You can call it fabricated all you want. The facts are clear, they are replicated with not only government data, but Planned Parentood's OWN data, and they are enabling rapists. It's that simple.
35 - Dawn
I am not sure that an anonymous comment on a website can be construed as valid data for your point.
Not to mention the fact, it's up to the victim to report the rape to the authorities, not an agency that provides birth control planning and abortions. How can they possibly be expected to be responsible for that?
36 - John Bambenek
Because the law makes them reponsible. Medical professionals are REQUIRED by law to report suspected cases of child abuse. It's on the books, I'm pretty sure in all 50 states but certainly Illinois. It isn't hard. Some 10 year old comes in looking like she got her face kicked in, you call the police. She comes in pregnant, you call the police. I fail to see how this is some huge monumental burden because it happens every day in every emergency room in this country now.
37 - Bennett
How many 10 year olds get abortions in Illinois each year? Do you have that number, JB?
How many 13-17 year olds?
What determines suspicion? Just because a girl decides that having a baby at 15 is not a good idea, doesn't mean that she was raped, or that her partner in sex is over 17 years of age.
You spin this into a black and white set of circumstances, i.e.
"A battered ten year old was raped by a dirty old man, and Planned Parenthood COVERS IT UP!!!!!!
Puh-leeze.
38 - Dawn
That's exactly right Bennett! John you are parading around this headliner that translates into "Planned Parenthood Rapes Children," or some such nonsense and act like we are supposed to accept this hogwash as fact, when in truth, the exact examples which you are outraged for are either non-existent or far more the exception than the rule.
Rape and underage sex between minors are TWO entirely different things. One is forced and one is not. Both can have the same result and how is planned parenthood supposed to know?
You won't find anyone as outraged by young girls being raped as much as I am (do a search on BC for my articles about such matters) but that's not who the majority of people who end up at Planned Parenthood are.
I also seriously doubt any 10-year old girl with her face kicked in is showing up at Planned Parenthood asking for an abortion. That's a really ridiculous example for about a dozen different reasons.
I can't imagine a facility of that nature isn't following the appropriate laws. Those places are ALWAYS being hasseled and monitored.
39 - John Bambenek
Thank you for demonstration why you continue to lose and lose elections, instead of addressing the points you make personal attacks.
I'm done with this discussion.
You lose.
40 - Dawn
I didn't run for any office, so I haven't lost any elections that I know ('cept that Sexiest Female Blogger award - and I didn't even try very hard.)
I am not sure your point about personal attacks, as I didn't personally attack you. I did point out in no uncertain terms that this post is bunch of smelly bullcrap, but I have said nothing about you personally. I will say this though, you are being a big crybaby.
So I guess that means you LOST.
41 - Bennett
That's funny JB, we call you on your misrepresentation of facts, ask that you back up your assertions and generalizations with numbers, and you pitch a fit, get all huffy an such, and walk out...
No one attacked you personally, but we do call it like we see it. Get used to it.
42 - Aaman
King Kong's lucky he didn't take Dawn O up that building:)
43 - Shark
Bambi: "I'm done with this discussion. You lose."
NEW HEADLINE:
Number of Cases of Right-Wing Essayist Asswhoopin' Perpetrated By Astute Pack of Parsing Blogcritics Remains Steady in 2006
...at ONE.
(But the day is young!)
44 - The Fifth Dentist
Nice job Dawn. [Deleted]
45 - Dawn
If I have learned one thing about Blogcritics, you either need to know what you are talking about (which I only occasionally do) or be thickskinned, 'cuz this isn't your average pack of sinister bloggers.
Dude, seriously, you didn't expect to write a flamethrower of a post and not get some on ya, did ya?
It happens to everyone at least once, so don't go all cranky on us. Just substantiate your assertions, or be willing to take the abuse.
And I wasn't attacking you personally, really.
46 - Bennett
After the fact of the whuppin' you'll note.
47 - Bing
Planned Parenthood is covering up rape so they can continue to make a profit on abortion?
Well Duh.... they are in the aboriton business and they gotta protect that bottom line.
Kinda ironic that they call themselves PLanned Parenthood when they do everything they can to prevent thier clients from actually becoming parents.
Oh well at least when Alito gets confirmed it will be a little bit harder for Planned Abortionhood to conduct thier dastardly and despicable deeds.
48 - Aaman
Batman to the rescue, etc.?
49 - Matthew T. Sussman
You couldn't be closer to the truth, Aaman.
50 - Jake Jacobsen
How nice to see upstanding folk take the side of pedophiles and rapists, does my heart good to see it. Is there any other nasty business we must ignore for your precious abortion, or does underage rape pretty much cover it?
51 - Bennett
Yeah, I'm biased. When I was seventeen and wanting to get layed, the sixteen year old was there, knocking. Thank goodness PP was available.
This was in 1976 - truth.
Take my word for it, it wasn't rape.
52 - Steve S
It is comments like comment 51 that show us that the ideological right will assign motives to us no matter what we truly believe. They will tell us what we represent and who we are fighting for. They are ideologically closed, there is no point in debate. You would get farther debating roadkill.
53 - Aaman
You meant comment 50
54 - John Bambenek
Steve, and your side would NEVER assign motives like suggesting that people who are against statutory rape are really just trying to stop abortions...
No, that never happens on your side, you're all pillars of moral and truth and light. It us damn reprobates who refuse to get on the boxcars that are the cause of the problems.
55 - gonzo marx
damnit John B....try and at least deal with the Individual and the points he is making, as soon as you say
*your side*
about anything, you lose IQ points
valid points have been brought up here, everything from attempting to emotionally charge the Issue at hand by the fallacious "child rape" bit in the title , rather than the correct "statutory"
again, you lose Honesty Points when you attempt shit like that, and it does the Cause you are striving for NO good when you attempt tactics like that
why?..because once a reader notices that bit and the propagandist slant...you fall into partisan ideaologue instead of any kind of journalism
now, in the Article itself, you raise some decent points for discussion, even if some of it is inaccurate ( the actual numbers are way skewed by your dodge of claiming the entire "consent" bit as making anything other than of age sex "rape)...
because, as others have Commented...quite a lot of it is between kids themselves...there are also variations in the "age of consent"...from as low as 13 to 17...and the circumstances for statutory infractions also depend on the jurisdiction...some are only for those over 18 and those below the "consent" number
since you place the prime Postulate of the Equation in question by pooryly defining the Variables...the entire logical weight of your Argument collapses, and all that is left is the attempt at emotional charge
NOBODY sane , and certainly NOBODY here on BC is advocating "rape" in the sense of forced or adult/child incidents...
however, even you must admit that you have done NOTHING to clarify what percentage of the numbers you cite fall into those categories
to do so woudl be very difficult, because Planned Parenthood does it's best to protect the PRIVACY of those seeking help when offering ANY of it's services, from medical, to educational or contraceptive
now, while i understand you have objection to some of the medical practices available there, even you must be able to admit the valuable services offered in the healthcare, educational, counselling and pre-natal care administered by the organization...
hell, if nothing else, their crusade against STD's alone should be enough for you to think more deeply about them and to try harder to get your facts in order
nuff said?
Excelsior!
56 - Steve S
yes, I meant comment 50. Thanks Aaman and sorry Bennett.
okay, John, in comment 54, you have a point. However, I DO believe that you have an agenda to stop abortion, since you have blogged about it often, although I haven't been to this site in 5 months or more, when I was a member here you seemed to blog about it frequently. Not just about pregnant children but abortion in general. I formulate my opinion based on that. Also on the fact like gonzo points out, they do far more in terms of family planning and 'your side' so quickly dismisses it all.
So I admit I DO think you have an agenda, based on reading you over a period of time. So be truthful, do you believe people like myself REALLY want to defend rapists?
57 - Shark
#47 Bing: "...Planned Parenthood is covering up rape so they can continue to make a profit on abortion? ...they are in the aboriton [sic] business and they gotta protect that bottom line."
Anecdote Warning: My wife the RN (specializing in Women's Health) used to work (briefly) for Planned Parenthood; she said in the 2 years she was with a particular clinic, 100% of the pregnant teens (usually 13-17 yrs old) WERE IMPREGNATED BY THEIR TEENAGED BOYFRIENDS (who apparently, had little contraceptive info -- and were using the ol' "abstain" method...?).
Mrs. Shark spent 100% of her time doing women's health, including general OB/Gyn exams, education, and STD treatments, etc.
Never saw nor counseled an abortion.
But don't let reality cloud yall's little erection for women's freedom.
==========
BTW, folks; Current pharmacolgy/technology is about to make the abortion debate OBSOLETE.
Praise Juju.
Can we be done with this?!
58 - Shark
#54 - John Bambenek
January 12 - 12:18 AM:
"...your side... reprobates... moral.. truth... light... your side..." yada yada yada...
Whoa! Whoa there, Johnny!
You took your toys and went home.
Remember: "I'm done with this discussion"--?
And just for your info, when you left the room, things lightened up considerably!
Everybody started laffin' and jokin'... I lit a joint and passed it around. We popped the top on a few beers... tried to get Dawn to do a lap dance for the Brilliant But Flaccid Gonzo...
Man, we were havin' a BLAST!
So go back to your room, and next time -- before you throw a tantrum and beat a hasty retreat in anger -- you might wanna think about it.
Oh, and by the way: you can come out when you can smile at your guests.
Thanks,
Paternal Shark
59 - Shark
#50 Jake Jacobsen, The Voice of Reason sez: "How nice to see upstanding folk take the side of pedophiles and rapists... Is there any other nasty business we must ignore for your precious abortion, or does underage rape pretty much cover it?"
Jake, great stuff, but you left out the part about how we celebrated on 9/11, are out to undermine the morale of the troops in Iraq, intend to take your guns and your property and give them away to welfare crack moms, and want to turn Christmas into a pagan orgy.
Get with the program, dude.
Thanks in advance,
Shark
[lighting another joint using a burning american flag -- while he performs an abortion on a sexually active doughy-white republican 10 year old nun]
60 - Bing
Post #57
I'd just like to point out that the single largest source of revenue and profit at Planned Parenthood is abortion.
Also just because your wife worked for one PP clinic among the thousands in the nation and never saw a case where PP covered up for an older man who had raped a young girl does not mean it does not happen Shark.
NO matter how you liberals want to spin it PP is int he abortion businessand they will do anything to be allowed to perform them wether it's objecting to parental notification laws or covering up rape. End of story
61 - Ogre
Wow.
I've never seen such blind, unending support of criminal acts before. I had always thought that Blogcritics was a non-partisan type place, but man, I was confused. I'm not sure the DU is this far out there.
Feel free to hate me because I'm not actually performing an abortion on someone else as I type this.
62 - Dawn
"Feel free to hate me because I'm not actually performing an abortion on someone else as I type this.
Well thank heavens, 'cuz I would like to think that the medical community is a little pickier than that.
What has struck me lately with all the Alito hearings and all the conversatives giddiness over their relative closeness to finally banning abortion, is that it's not the clinics and the institutions like PP who will suffer, (there's just not that many abortion clinics out there, and PP will just diversify their services like they always have)- the only people being truly hurt and trampled on, are the women and teenage girls who will be forced to endure a difficult and tramatic medical event that they were either not equipped for or emotionally prepared for, not to mention all the children born to mothers who can't or won't take care of them because they never wanted them to begin with.
The issue of this article isn't about statutory rape or child rape - duh. The issue is abortion. JB doesn't care about ten-year-old girls being raped, he cares about abortions being performed.
My question is this - when and where in your life John has an abortion procedure being performed ever harmed you personally? Or is this some religious horseshit that you are droning on about?
Dude, don't worry you aren't going to ever have to worry about going to hell for having an abortion. Trust me, your seat in heaven is secure.
63 - RedTard
"My question is this - when and where in your life John has an abortion procedure being performed ever harmed you personally? Or is this some religious horseshit that you are droning on about?"
Rounding up the homeless, the handicapped, and other people and murdering them because they are inconvenient wouldn't hurt me personally either, but that wouldn't make it right.
Abortion is killing a human life for convenience sake. I have never felt comfortable with that. Humans are remarkably adaptive though. If indoctrinated they will go along with anything. Germans went along with the holocaust after a few years. Much of the modern world allows babies to be killed, although it took much longer for us to warm up to the idea.
Even if Roe v. Wade was overturned abortion would likely still be legal in much of the country, the issue would just go back to the states for a vote. That's called Democracy.
64 - Dawn
Well, Redtard, if you aren't comfortable with it, then don't have one and don't perform one.
And of course, everyone knows your analogy is full of holes and bullcrap.
65 - RedTard
Please explain how my analogy is full of holes. I doubt "everyone" understands it. I think it is quite fitting.
Your argument is the weak one. It could be used to defend anything. For example you could substitute pedophilia for abortion and say:
If your not comfortable with child porn then don't look at it and don't allow pictures of your children.
66 - Steve S
John never responded to my final question in comment 56, which confirms to me that 'child rapists' is just a catch phrase but abortion overall is the real agenda here. Redtard and ogre with their comments confirm that. (Some very apropo names here)
Since the majority of abortions performed on young girls seem to be due to young boys who were subjected to only abstinence training, yet another failed ideology of the Right, I would imagine that the majority of Illinois girls are not falling into the hands of predators.
However, since it bugs John soooo much to stop the 1% or 2% of such cases of rape, that he's willing to toss away the freedoms and rights to privacy of all girls, I would suggest another alternative. Just castrate every male in the state of Illinois as soon as they hit puberty. Granted about 99% of the castrations would be on innocent people, but you also get that 1% and that seems to be the most important thing here. Just applying the same principle that John applies, just doing it much more effectively.
67 - JR
RedTard: Much of the modern world allows babies to be killed, although it took much longer for us to warm up to the idea.
Actually, I think you have that exactly backward. It took much longer for anybody to warm up to the idea that fetuses were anything remotely resembling people, let alone go out of their way to prevent women aborting them.
(I'm assuming here that you are misusing the word "baby" to signify embryos and fetuses. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in that assumption, but I'm quite sure that most of the world does not currently allow actual babies to be killed.)
68 - gonzo marx
i will lay this out once more for those that missed it on a thread months ago...
the smallest unit of government, your town, issues a Citificate of when you are born...and another when you die...
legally, what you get is the time between those two Certificates and during that time you are covered by our Constitution and the Rule of Law
before is just the Mother, and after we just fucking don't know...
so where is the problem here?
interestingly, on a side note...the FDA refused to allow over the counter sale of the "morning after" pill months BEFORE the medical and scientific testing even began...
fix that, and MOST of any kind of "problem" with abortion goes away overnight
but that would take away the "straw womb" for hysterical argument(note the root of "hyster" used here...i am SO punny..)
but i digress...
Excelsior!
69 - troll
(concerning the 'morning after pill' - big secret: a high dose of normal birth control pills accomplishes the same thing or so I am told by Drs 'in the know'...check it out)
troll
70 - gonzo marx
but troll, they taste funny when ya chew them...
oh...wait...they're for girls!
d'oh!
Excelsior!
71 - Steve S
It's widely known that when young teenage girls want abortions but are required to report it, rather than go to a qualified professional, they have their boyfriend hit them in the gut, or they fall down a flight of stairs willingly, or do some other tactic so the fetus can just end up in the neighborhood dumpster.
72 - troll
true dat Steve...and suicide is always an option
troll
73 - RedTard
"I'm assuming here that you are misusing the word "baby" to signify embryos and fetuses."
I'm using the lay term. I have yet to hear an expectant mother utter the words 'feel here, the fetus is kicking'.
Your side has to lie to yourselves and hide behind medical terminology so you can stomach your choice. I just look at it like it really is.
Abortion is, and always has been, about killing unborn children because they are inconvenient. It's not about incest, or medical complications, or women's reproductive rights (any real infringement is known as rape) it's about simple convenience.
A small human sacrifice so one can continue to be the life of the party, without repercussion.
74 - Dawn
Appropriate point Steve about the dumpster.
Surely, a small clump of cells without a beating heart, functioning organs, or a brainstem being aborted is a better option than say, dumping a fully developed infant into the trash can to die from exposure and neglect?
I am not saying that every kind of abortion is right, but banning the procedure isn't the answer.
I am somewhere in between. I would rather have it legal and available, but properly regulated than having girls and women going into back alley butchshops, because like drugs, illegalizing it isn't going to make the need go away - it just makes the situation more desperate and dangerous.
And none of this has to do with ten year olds being raped by Planned Parenthood.
75 - Lisa McKay
A small human sacrifice so one can continue to be the life of the party, without repercussion.
I have had two friends over the years who terminated pregnancies for reasons that had to do with severe genetic defects. In neither case was the decision made lightly, in fact in both cases the decision was made after much anguished soul-searching by both mother and father. I would also not suggest that there were no repercussions. Your notion that all women have abortions so that they can continue to be the life of the party is absurd. Women have abortions for a large number of reasons, not all of which have anything to do with wanting to be 'the life of the party'.