For more see: The New York Times, McClatchy News Service
ABC Poll Finds Iraqis Chimerical
The results of a recent ABC News poll raises the question of whether the Iraqis have developed or always had a national character of irrational pessimism. Such a trend would certainly be understandable given the trials they have gone through in recent years. The poll of a large number of Iraqis divided by ethnic, religious and regional classifications shows Iraqis highly pessimistic when asked specific questions about their situation, but strangely much more positive when asked more general questions about essentially the same issues.
For example, while 57% say the security situation in their area is bad and most Iraqis rate security issues as their highest concern, 61% of the Iraqis polled describe their life as 'not bad'. In another example, while 80% of Iraqis say that the coalition forces have done a 'bad job', 81% don't blame them for the violence in the country and 53% believe that coalition forces should stay at least until the security situation is stabilized.
Notably Kurdish respondents were characterized by enormously more positive feelings about coalition forces and their current situation and prospects for the future, not surprising since they have been largely autonomously ruled and relatively free of violence since early in the war. However, compared to earlier polls there also seems to be a significant change in attitudes among other groups, with Sunni Iraqis in the Anbar province noticeably more positive about their situation, reflecting the successes there against terrorists, while Shiites nationwide seemed much more negative about how things were working out for them.
The poll was completed in August, so it doesn't reflect the successes against al Qaeda and in reducing violence substantially in the last two months.
For more see: Article in Baltimore Sun, Full Poll in PDF format
Turkey Poised to Invade Kurdistan
Right now, when other things seem to be going better, the worst news from Iraq is the fear of a full-scale Turkish invasion. With the election of a new hard-line religious faction to power in Turkey the threat to Iraqi Kurdistan has never been higher. The one area of Iraq where the aftermath of the war has been truly positive is now threatened with external invasion.
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— go to most recent comments1 - Lumpy
What the hell is wrong with the demcrats. Why would they put thousands even hundreds of thousands of lives at risk just to score political points on Bush or advance their presidential campaign? If Turkey invades they ought to be dragged off in chains and tried for war crimes, but in Iraq not the UN so they can face the death penalty.
2 - REMF
Nope, wait your turn Lumpy; the war crimes in Iraq committed by GW Bush, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz need to be tried first.
3 - Lumpy
Do you even understand the difference between killing innocents for trivial reasons and a just war of liberation? I'd like to see u in an Iraqi court as an al Qaeda fifth columist.
4 - Dave Nalle
If Turkey does invade I think it's a bit much to put all the blame on the democrats, or even on MCH. Turkey itself is the problem here. Their demand that the political autonomy of the Kurds be suppressed is entirely unreasonable and ought to be treated that way.
Dave
5 - REMF
"...and a just war of liberation?"
- Lumpy
"Just" as long as someone ELSE has to die fighting it...
6 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
What an arrogant bunch of American navel-gazers!
Events between Turkey and Kurdistan have nothing to do with the congressmaggots on the Potomac and their stupid resolutions, they have to do with the fact that the Turks do not want to recognize that about a third of their own country is Kurdish because that would fracture their own nation on ethnic lines. While the news government there is a bunch of Islamist hard-liners who want to undo much of Attatürk's revolution in Turkey, they are taking one element of Kemalism that the Turkish army appreciates, the repression of Kurds, as part of basic policy. And this basic policy is what Dave Nalle refers to in his article.
7 - Dave Nalle
That's pretty much what I pointed out in my last comment, Ruvy. Plus the new regime in addition to being islamic fundamentalists are also ultra-nationalists, hence their enhanced dislike of the Kurds.
But what the US does as far as policy in Iraq IS relevant, because if we do establish an independent Kurdistan we will see the invasion the Turks have promised for generations. If an independent Kurdistan is to happen - and it wouldn't be a bad thing - we need to straighten the Turks out once and for all, and that probably means some pretty heavy threats with the will to back them up.
BTW, this article is dedicated to Bliffle, who requested something like it, being tired of articles bout Hugo Chavez.
Dave
8 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
"But what the US does as far as policy in Iraq IS relevant, because if we do establish an independent Kurdistan we will see the invasion the Turks have promised for generations. If an independent Kurdistan is to happen - and it wouldn't be a bad thing - we need to straighten the Turks out once and for all, and that probably means some pretty heavy threats with the will to back them up."
Go and check your history and read up on what the Turks did in Korea fighting with the Americans under the UN flag.
The Turks are bad-asses. They're meaner than all hell, and have seen the weaknesses of Americans - who do not know how to improvise in the absence of needed equipment as well as they or the Israelis do.
Three thousand American body-bags will be a small count in a fight with Turks, Dave.
9 - Dave Nalle
I know, Ruvy. But if we fought like it was a REAL war we'd still win - if we're even capable of doing that anymore. But because we're probably not up to defending the Kurds as we should, we need to find a way to solve this situation without resorting to violence.
Dave
10 - RJ
Events between Turkey and Kurdistan have nothing to do with the congressmaggots on the Potomac and their stupid resolutions
Sigh. Here and here.
they have to do with the fact that the Turks do not want to recognize that about a third of their own country is Kurdish
Wrong. More like 10-20%, or maybe 25% at the very most.
11 - brian
what wrong with the democrats? They are serving their real masters: those with money: such as AIPAC. They are the ones who want war in the middle east. And they are the ones demonising arabs and muslims the better to get americans to die for Eretz Israel.
12 - RJ
"If an independent Kurdistan is to happen - and it wouldn't be a bad thing - we need to straighten the Turks out once and for all, and that probably means some pretty heavy threats with the will to back them up."
That's not going to happen. Turkey is NATO, and they have a serious military (at least for a Muslim, Middle Eastern country). No way in hell the US starts threatening military action against an ally, especially an ally with some important leverage in the region, and the military might to back it up.
I mean, seriously. The day Bush starts talking about invading/going to war with Turkey, is the day I become an anti-war protester. IOW, it ain't gonna happen.
13 - brian
A curious admission...for those following 9-11 Truth, and how those who question the official theory get called 'conspiracy theorists', well the following admission appeared recently:
'REP. JERROLD NADLER: Well, I, as did other members of the committee, apologized on behalf of the American people for the disgusting treatment to which our government, I believe, knowingly subjected him. ...
I believe that what happened here was that the United States government consciously and deliberately conspired with the government of Syria to have him tortured. http://www.democracynow.org/print.pl?sid=07/10/24/1528217
14 - brian
'I mean, seriously. The day Bush starts talking about invading/going to war with Turkey, is the day I become an anti-war protester. IOW, it ain't gonna happen.'
so you are hard core pro-war???
15 - RJ
Here's what's going to happen:
Turkish forces will cross the border into a Iraq a few times. They will use artillery to shell PKK positions. They will use their air power to attack PKK camps/bases. This "offensive" won't accomplish the stated goal of "destroying" the PKK, but it will be an effective show of force, one intended to both placate their own citizens, while intimidating the Iraqi and American governments. And it will work.
The US and Iraq will agree to crush the PKK as long as Turkey agrees to stop their military action. There will be some sort of unannounced agreement on this (although it will be leaked to the press), and it will be done. The PKK will be largely rooted out by American and Iraqi forces. The Kurds will be upset by these events, but probably not in a major way. End of story.
The Turkish populace will be mollified, a serious NATO-splitting crisis will have been averted, and no one will be talking about any of this by December.
That's how this shit works in realpolitik. Watch and see.
16 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
RJ,
The bottom line with all of this is not the precise number of Kurds, but the fact that the Turks have been repressing their culture for as long as Attatürk's republic has been in existence, if not longer. The Turks are desperate not to have division in Anatolia, which is the where 90% of the Turkish republic is located. While I can understand this attitude, when the Turks start extending their "sovereignty" to northern Mesopotamia, it gets my hackles up. Remember, RJ, this is my neighborhood I'm talking about, not some faraway place on the corner of the world map.
Nevertheless, what you write in comment #15 has a ring of realism to it, and is a very viable scenario.....
Maybe.....
17 - Dave Nalle
RJ is probably spot on, but with the new regime in Turkey I think we're a lot closer to an unreasonable response to the situation than we ever have been before.
Oh, and contrary to what Brian says, the US has considered the PKK a terrorist organization since the 1970s and has not, in fact, worked with them.
Brian supports the PKK because like Hezbollah and other terrorist and genocidal groups he believes in they are marxist-lenninists.
Dave
18 - bliffle
"#9 " October 25, 2007 @ 04:09AM " Dave Nalle [URL]
I know, Ruvy. But if we fought like it was a REAL war we'd still win - ..."
Here comes Better-Things-to-Do Dave to complain about the lousy job of fighting our soldiers have done in Iraq. Same thing the war advocates did in the Vietnam aftermath. Couldn't admit their war theory was wrong and blamed it on the PFCs.
Support the troops, Dave.
When are you going to enlist and show them how to fight a REAL war?
19 - troll
Dave - the power of your ability to manifest is astounding...why just a few weeks ago you began giving your international socialist conspiracy a face in the term 'tranzi' and behold they start coming out of the woodwork - !
brian - you see capitalists under your bed and condemn them...this make Dave's question legitimate: where do you get the money to be a tourist of the world - ?
20 - Dave Nalle
You know, Bliffle. I expected better from you than a cheap shot like #18. Guess I was being too kind.
Point out where I said one negative word about the troops or attempted to blame anything on the PFCs. Maybe you shouldn't leap to conclusions or perhaps you're just projecting your own prejudices onto me.
Obviously, my statement condemned the entire nation and in particular our leadership and was not directed at the troops. That you could take it that way is blatantly deceptive and insulting.
I wrote on this topic for you. See if I ever take your requests into consideration again.
Dave
21 - troll
so here's the thing - by allowing aqi to melt away as arabs are wont to do we've lost another one
what good is Iraq if it is 'demagnefied'
22 - Dave Nalle
troll, i think you had a very good point on brian - since you were agreeing with me - and I do think he's living proof that I'm not paranoid. But what the hell was that last post about?
Dave
23 - troll
(just a little joke Dave)
24 - Dave Nalle
On thinking about it a bit more I believe I get it, troll. I just didn't expect that bit of clarity of vision coming from you. For some strange reason I often confuse you with bliffle in my head [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor].
Dave
25 - troll
(...probably would have been clearer if I hadn't gone for the combination of 'magnetized' and 'magnified' - it was a reach)