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— go to most recent comments26 - bhw
Also we haven't been attacked since 9/11.
Unless you count the Anthrax.
27 - Maynard
or London, or Spain, or the west Indies, or Riyad
28 - Anthony G
Anthrax wasn't the work of Terrorists you idiot.
It was proved that it was done by American teenages.
29 - Eric Berlin
Anthony -- Personal attacks = no no on Blogcritics.
Keep it on topic, my man.
Thanks.
30 - billy
the facts are that bush has helped create more terrorists. terorism is a psychosis in these people brought on by helplessness and poverty and no ability to change their lives. they need an enemy to lash out at and george bush has put an even bigger target on our country.
the terrorists would still attack us even if we did everything they want. but george bush has made us much unsafer because now there are millions more terrorists ready to attack us than there were before.
31 - bhw
First, I'm not an idiot. [Terrorists, in your sentence, needs a small "t," by the way.]
Second, the act was an act of terrorism, by definition. Anyone who perpetrates an act of terrorism is a terrorist. Even if they're lilly white American teenagers.
Third, who proved that it was done by American teenagers? This is news to me, if not the world!
32 - Maynard
Anthrax attacks were proved ot have been done by teenagers? You gotta show your proof on that one. I ain't even heard of that shit theory.
33 - Silas Kain
It was proved that it was done by American teenages.
Anthony, hunney, could you back up that statement?
34 - Anthony G
Billy, where do you get your information. There is not more then 50,000 terrorists not millions. And if Bush put an even bigger target on us then why haven't we been attacked again.
35 - bhw
Still waiting on the teenagers + Anthrax proof.
Something tells me it's going to be a long wait.
36 - Anthoony G
I can't believe you are still talking about Anthrax.
I don't know where i would get proof, but my advice is to google "Anthrax" and see what you get.
But anyway didn't like 3 people die with Anthrax. Don't get me wrong I care about there lives but that is nothing compared to the 3,000 that died on 9/11 not to mention the effect it had on our country.
37 - KYS
Anthony, why don't you share with us whatever information you have that convinced YOU that the anthrax attacks were committed by teenagers- you know, since you made the claim and all......
38 - Bennett
Ya gotta love it when some new guy comes along, spews a bunch of hate, calls people idiots, defames a former president, and then totally discredits everything he's written by claiming about the anthrax attacks:
"It was proved that it was done by American teenages"
Sweet!
Go on along young fella...
39 - bhw
I don't know where i would get proof, but my advice is to google "Anthrax" and see what you get.
No, sweetheart, I won't be doing that. YOU called ME an idiot on the topic of the anthrax attacks. Now put your money where your mouth is.
Also, please explain how the anthrax attacks were not acts of terrorism.
40 - billy
i guess 2000 dead troops, attacks in spain, london, 9-11, dont count as being attacked.
you see when clinton was president we were NOT attacked (except internally by some seditious republicans). when bush became president the attacks really havent stopped at all.
41 - Lady Rep
All of you that are bashing Bush totally missed the point of my article.
First of all, in no way was Clinton one of our best Presidents. He just happens to be the only Dem president elected in the last 25 years, so you are just being wishful. But, that being said, I still think that I should have shown a little respect for the office (even though he used it as his own personal playground to get "babes").
Regardless of who is in office, the job is a tough one. And those who occupy the office deserve respect.
There are respectful ways of disagreeing. You can disagree without being disrespectful. And stop exaggerating and distorting in disputable facts to support your opinions.
The eyes of the world (including our enemies) are on us. To spew such hate towards our leader gives our enemies ammunition to destroy our country.
Yes, I am guilty of this during Clinton's years in office, but it is not something I am proud of and something that I hope to avoid in the future. Try to see all of this fighting as our enemies see it. All they have to do is fuel our internal fires and we will self-destruct.
BTW, Islamist terrorists considered the United States to be their number one enemy long before George W. Bush was president. Don't kid yourself into thinking otherwise. Terrorism had been increasing in intesity for years until 9/11. Put yourself in Bush's shoes on that day with the information that was available at that time and ask yourself what you would have wanted him to do. No fair using information that is now available and remember that he was in the job less than one year.
42 - Maurice
Anthony -
left wing pigs are people too..
perhaps a little more study and a little less caffine...
43 - MCH
Is Anthony G one of Dave Nalle's illegitimate sons?
44 - Bennett
LadyRep,
Frankly, and with no offence intended toward anyone, especially those that just jumped in to respond to attacks one way or another, no one got your point except for the guy who posted the first comment on this thread.
:-
45 - billy
let me quote lady rep
"The eyes of the world (including our enemies) are on us. To spew such hate towards our leader gives our enemies ammunition to destroy our country."
i guess that proves my point. All the hate spewed at clinton, including 4 years of government time and resources investigating his sex life instead of al qaeda emboldened them and caused 9-11. In that respect you and all republicans should be filled with sorrow for what you did. but to come out now and say it just because you dont like what you are hearing about bush is a little self serving.
46 - Bennett
billy - I don't see this post that way at all. I see it as the personal growth that comes with time.
The office of the President is something that should be respected, despite our (mine included) personal feelings oward the man or party currently holding sway.
THAT's what LadyRep's post is about, in my opinion anyway.
47 - Lady Rep
Billy,
Me thinks that you don't know your history too well.
you see when clinton was president we were NOT attacked (except internally by some seditious
republicans)
What about
(1)1993 bombing of the World Trade Center
(2)the 1996 bombing of Khobar Towers, housing facility for U.S. and allied forces in Dharan, Saudi Arabia.
(3)1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Nariobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.
(4) the 2000 bombing of the U.S.S. Cole
We were attacked, but there was very little done. I guess the hope was that if we ignored them, they would go away. We can see how well that strategy worked.
48 - billy
i hate to bring this up but when bill clinton fired a cruise missile to kill osama, the republicans took to the house floor and cried "no blood for monica". This is at a time when our troops were in the field and in danger.
do you not think the republican resistance to bill clinton trying to kill osama emboldened the terrorists?
is sending a cruise missile into osama's bedroom doing nothing?
how did bush go after osama BEFORE 9-11 when it counted?
49 - Lady Rep
Thank you, Bennet. That is exactly the point of my article.
50 - Lady Rep
He bombed an aspirin factory that had nothing to do with Osama.
Bush was in office for LESS THAN A YEAR! What, besides bombing the wrong building, did Clinton do?
51 - bhw
Lady Rep, maybe I'll get to the point you're at about 5 years after W. leaves office. Only time will tell!
Nice post, and very refreshing to hear.
52 - Lady Rep
Before you have a chance to respond, I am quitting arguing with you about this. It is off topic for one thing and for another, you obviously don't want to stop blaming Bush. There is absolutely nothing that I can say to get you to see reason (no, what you think is reason is tainted by your partisanship.) I have better things to do than verbal combat. Think whatever you want. Nothing (let alone facts) has stopped you from doing that thus far
53 - billy
better than doing NOTHING which is what bush did. i would just submit to you that your statement that
"The eyes of the world (including our enemies) are on us. To spew such hate towards our leader gives our enemies ammunition to destroy our country."
applies much more to republicans than democrats. from the dems i hear more about how they would manage the war better than bush. the republicans simply undermined the president by investigating his sex life or pretending his war and the troop's war on terror was not real or serious.
which is exactly what you did with the "aspirin factory" comment.
54 - Anthony G
You are the guys who brought up the Anthrax thing so if you won't to know why it isn't in the news anymore you can look it up. Anthrax is not something that my kids will read in history books so I don't care about it.
Do not ever compare me to that moderate sissy Dave the moderate Nelle you fascist liberals.
The only reason I left is because unlike you guys, who sit in front of the computer all day, I have a life.
55 - Luke Warm
"What do Democratic Senators do? Do they write bills? No."
Since Republicans control the Senate and the House, they prevent Democratic bills from coming to the floor, they exclude Democrats from plicy-making meetings, they prevent Democrats from speaking, and so on. You want to see more positive action from Demcrats in Congress, well that will only happen when the death grip the GOP has over Congress is loosened.
Since the approval rating for Congress is in the toilet, I expect that will happen in 2006.
56 - Anthony G
Would you please explain one of the bills that was recently blocked by the republicans, because I can't think of any.
57 - Anthony G
What do you liberals think about on what the four democrats and the moderate on the supreme court recently approved. On how the government has the right to cease your house and land and demolish it to build things like mini malls and office buildings.
It all sounds like communism to me.
58 - KC
It's an interesting post, and I'm sure you're being honest, but there's a small nagging doubt this reflection on Presidental respect would be brought up if Kerry had been elected instead.
59 - bhw
You are the guys who brought up the Anthrax thing so if you won't to know why it isn't in the news anymore you can look it up.
AnthonyG, try to be a man and admit that you made a mistake.
60 - Lady Rep
Honestly, you're probably right, KC. It was only by watching those that currently oppose this administration that I decided to examine the "log in my eye." I decided that because I hated that behavior in others that I should avoid it in myself.
I just pray that I remember this lesson in the future. I know that it is difficult, but I believe that it will be a sign of maturity if I can achieve it. I guess time will tell.
61 - Bennett
You will be able to do it LadyRep. Just remember this thread, all the comments, all the hatred, all the wasted energy that accomplished what?
Absolutely Nothing.
I don't rage against our current president because it does no good. It does raise my normally peaceful blood presure, for what?
Rage = Self destruction
Raging over the past is foolish to the extreme.
JMO however...
62 - Maynard
OK, I am all for hoping that this post is completely sincere, but I was taught to be a bit cynical when it comes to those espousing purely altruistic motivations because they are usually hiding an ulterior motive. Not saying Lady here is but a few points bother me.
Clinton is long gone, more than 5 years now, why do republican bloggers keep bringing it up? Simple answer woudl be distraction and to put that bad taste back in the mouths of those folks in the middle.
This constant call for everyone to unite behidn the administration, no matter what they do because to do otherwise emboldens the enemy.
Here I must strenously disagree. A much larger bit of encouragement stems from actions taken, rather than minor political strife. Examples: surrounding all of Afghanistan, doing a great job taking out the Taliban, but not finishing it. World media's eyes on the Tora Bora assault, but still not catching Osama. To this day, still not capturing their "robin hood". That emboldens people.
Scenes of looting and rioting right in front of the troops in Iraq after taking out that bastard Saddam, nothing being done, Rumsfeld saying "Freedom is messy". That encourages them
If you think about it, you can find more examples.
I still believe it is not only a citizens right, but his or her civic duty to question and argue and be informed, to hold our representitives responsible for both the good and bad.
63 - Bennett
Excellent points Maynard, but I too am willing to take the main thrust of LadyReps post as sincere.
I don't *rage* against the prez, but I am far from trusting him or his motivations.
Always question authority is what I was taught, doubly so for government.
64 - Dave Nalle
>>I still believe it is not only a citizens right, but his or her civic duty to question and argue and be informed, to hold our representitives responsible for both the good and bad.<<
That sounds great, but what we actually get from the left these days isn't informed questioning, it's uninformed ranting and paranoid raving and shrill attacks with no substance behind them. I'm right with the common man who looks at Bush's record and is concerned. I can do without the spoon-fed zombies who hate Bush because he IS Bush and for no other reason than that and because someone told them Bush was Hitler.
Dave
65 - Mark Saleski
it's BroadBrushFriday folks.
yay!!!
66 - Dave Nalle
Methinks I was using more of a razor than a broad brush, to differentiate thinking folks on the left and Bush hating zombies. It would be a broad brush only if I suggested that all on the left were in one of those categories.
Dave
67 - bhw
That sounds great, but what we actually get from the left these days isn't informed questioning, it's uninformed ranting and paranoid raving and shrill attacks with no substance behind them.
Sounds like you're talking about all lefties.
68 - Mel
"Raging over the past is foolish to the extreme."
True, if it is truly past, but given that the electorate might well re-elect him given the chance, I'd say the problem remains with us.
Thank you Bill Clinton for violating your oath to uphold the constitution, for obstructing justice, for the diplomacy that gave us a nuclear Korea, for pussyfooting with terrorism, for cursing us with Senator Clinton, for advising Jennifer Flowers to "just deny", for leaving us with an America more divided than at anytime since the Civil War, for lying at every single opportunity, for the pardons, ....
Imagine what this guy would have been up to had Ken Starr not spent his millions? Money well spent I'd say.
Remember Juanita Broaddrick!
69 - Eric Berlin
Wow -- I guess a strong economy and eight years of peace don't count for very much these days...
70 - HVario
Mel, it is people like you take make any kind of informed debate untenable these days. These unfounded accusations taken straight from a Fox News broadcast only serve to antagonize people. Put a little thought and a little truth on your arguments and people might listen to you.
71 - Natalie Davis
Ms. Lady Rep, I understood your point perfectly. Good for you. I disagree with the concept that one must support someone or respect someone simply because their job happens to be POTUS. If the person is a respectable human who does respectable things, fine. But if not, no way. For the record, I have little respect for either Clinton or Bush. And the presidency itself? It's just another line of work, like dogcatcher or prostitute or pool-hall attendant. Why should I give that job any more stature than any other?
72 - Eric Berlin
Natalie -- There's a big difference in the level of respect/reverence afforded to the US President as compared to the UK Prime Minister. The clearest example is in how aggressive the British press is as compared to its US counterparts. Follow-up questions are rare for those in high office and even more rarely hard-hitting.
Maybe it has something to do with the monarchy, or lack thereof?
73 - Natalie Davis
Mr. Berlin, what's your point? I have no respect for the office of prime minister either. It's a job. Or the titles of queen or senator, for that matter. They're jobs, Mr. Berlin. Big deal.
74 - Anthony Grande
What do you liberals think about on what the four democrats and the moderate on the supreme court recently approved. On how the government has the right to cease your house and land and demolish it to build things like mini malls and office buildings.
It all sounds like communism to me
75 - Natalie Davis
The reworked eminent domain? It blows.