Ann Coulter, Al Barger and Richard Mellon Scaife can't ALL be wrong in supporting Hillary.
There's always trouble in the land, but all in all I personally feel pretty good about the future of America and the world at large. The country's doing okay, and we'll muddle through well enough whether we elect the giant douche or the turd sandwich.…
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126 - silver surfer
You are not still trying to have a battle of wits with someone who has no ammo Clav, are ya??
127 - troll
...you mean like why have 'the best minds of our generation' become real estate and insurance sales...people - ?
128 - Clavos
I don't know, Stan, they remain anonymously in the shadows; the only response I get is censorship.
129 - Al Barger
Brother Troll! Happy to see you come out from under your bridge.
I would definitely think that the best minds of our generation becoming businessmen, real estate and insurance executives and such, is MUCH preferred and more useful than the nonsense that Michelle Obama for one says about how folks should skip business jobs to be jerk-off "community organizers" and such.
Pablo, I saw multiple pictures of the damned planes flying into the buildings. Many thousands of people saw it, which largely pretty much settles the question. I checked out a little of a few of the most common truther claims several years ago when they first started gathering steam, just on general principles. I found nothing the least bit convincing to me.
But you seem to think that you can just argue out the point forever by making first one claim and then another and then re-hashing the first one - then demand that normal folks have to follow out every lame-ass claim you want to make forever and ever and the issue can never be resolved other than for the skeptics to drink your bitter kool-aid.
Whereas when I see the obvious explanation ie pissed off Muslims flying planes into buildings, and basically nothing more, at some point pretty quickly I'ma call the issue settled, and I'm not going to waste my time on dumb shit just because a couple of hateful losers on the net insist that the issue is still in doubt. It isn't.
130 - Pablo
Al,
I guess that meant your not interested in the history of the muslim brotherhood, I am not surprised.
131 - Al Barger
Pablo- You are correct at least once in this conversation. I am not interested in studying the muslim brotherhood, and indeed I'm only marginally interested in studying the Koran and Muslim culture in general.
You say this ("I am not surprised") as if this indicated something bad about me. It does not. I do not feel that it is my responsibility to have some deep multicultural studies. There's a certain amount of needing to understand my enemies, but I don't need or want to spend my time bending over backwards trying to understand them. Muslim bullshit just doesn't get my rocks off.
Maybe the goddam muslim brotherhood needs to study on the history of America and the Libertarian Party. Maybe the whole Muslim world needs to learn English and get with the program. Or at least they could get the minimal understanding of US that they better get a grip on themselves and stop their own from trying to kill Americans, lest we have to start thinning their ranks.
I'm fairly infophilic, and I dig learning about other cultures. I like Indian food, and groovy African folk stories and all kinds of brotherly things. But I'm less inclined to start working up empathy and understanding of people and learning their culture just because they're a threat. Threatening people can just be killed.
132 - Pablo
Al,
It is more a question to me of understanding your enemy. As far as I can tell you are absolutely clueless about the muslim brotherhoods known affiliation and inflitration by british and us intelligence agencies, that is why I put in several people for you to google is you had an interest, as you might have learned something new, god forbid.
I said I was not surprised because the way that I interpret your writing is that you are a typical know-it-all, thus your mind is closed, so I was and am not surprised by your lack of interest in things that you obviously have no knowledge of.
I also in one of my comments on this article mentioned to you my opinion about libertarians and corporations being viewed by the law as individuals, either you did not see it, or didn't care to comment on it, again I was not surprised.
There is not libertarianism as long as this charade continues, that General Motors or Microsoft are treated as individuals.
As to 9/11 I certainly will not attempt to change your mind, but I will respond to your characterization as people that question the event , and suspect inside cooperation as losers. Just another typical closed minded, fearful comment, from someone that by his own knowledge only dabbled in looking into it. If there is any "losers" here Al it is people such as yourself who blindly adhere to government propaganda, and yet have the audacity to cast stones in the other direction. I also never said nor claimed that the towers were not attacked with airplanes, or even that they had moslem brotherhood members inside. I do claim however that that Islamic brotherhood is nothing more than a creation of UK and US intelligence agencies, and umm Al? I have done my homework, you have not, and quite frankly do not know what the fuck you are talking about.
133 - Al Barger
Pablo- I mostly generally pretty well do know what I'm talking about. That does not, however, mean that you get to arbitrate what things I have to read to say I know something, or that I have to take any interest in any sub-topic you demand. I don't give a rat's ass about your Muslim Brotherhood - nor do I claim knowledge of them. So, you're saying that this Muslim Brotherhood was really responsible for 9/11, and thus the British? That's cute. Of course South Park already went there with the snuke episode.
As to corporations being inherently un-libertarian, I disagree. Now, there can be and probably are some funky abuses of law to avoid responsibility through corporations. Show me a specific example, and maybe I'll condemn it and say that the law should be changed.
But lots of folks just hate the boogeyman word "corproation," which is just dumb. At root, the idea of a corporation is perfectly reasonable as a point of organization for free people. It's a limited liability partnership, in that individuals are not responsible for the company's debts.
But that's a legitimate point of contract. When the bank loans the Widget Corp money, it is specifically understood and agreed that the bank has no recourse to individual stockholders if their loan goes bad. That's a mutually agreed business deal. Not a thing wrong with that.
Now, if you get to a place where people are doing criminal stuff on behalf of their corporation, then they should be held liable. If the board hires thugs to beat up competitors, then the individuals should be held personally criminally liable for their acts. That's different than the limited liability that investors know about and agree to.
134 - Pablo
Never mind Al, the bulldog is loose, and I dont have anymore time for you. Like I said before your about as libertarian as Goebbles. Bye Bye. Enjoy your ignorance Al, I do.
135 - Robert M. Barga
I saw you in the best of 2008 politics and want to say congrats
I know this is beating a dead horse, But i am really glad that you are not like your other libertarians and you are actually smart. Granted, a person who wants some of the thing Paul wants is no true libertarian
Thanks again
136 - Al Barger
Brother Barga- Thank you for your kind words.
In fairness though, I'd say that the problem with a lot of Paul supporters is not that they're stupid, but that they are emotionally and ideologically blinkered. They've decided on their belief in some or other abstract principle, and apply it as The Answer - no matter what the actual question is, and with little regard to facts on the ground. This is how, like the movie, you take a good idea and turn it into a dangerous Dogma.
Then there are just the complete conspiracy mongering jackasses who get off on thinking that they have special arcane knowledge, that other people 'Just don't get it.' As my guy Prince would say, Shut up already, DAMN.