The Senate bill that would have made millions of ILLEGALS legal with the stroke of a pen has been pulled off the table for a while. There are many who say that it is dead but that is not the case. Those in the Senate, from both parties, who want this bill are going to try and ram it down our throats. I heard them on the news all day Friday talking about how the bill will be back and they will get this done.
We can not let up on them. We must continue to call them and continue to let them know that we are not happy with this bill. They need to know that a smile and a wink from them along with reassurances that they will do the right thing is not enough any more. The American public does not believe what the Congress tells us and for very good reason, they lie. Every time they push a bill down our throat it ends in a disaster and it ends with billions of dollars wasted. This happened in 1965 and 1986 when immigration amnesty bills were passed (each sponsored by Ted Kennedy) and we were promised that these would end ILLEGAL entry into our country. In the 1980s there were four million ILLEGALS and now there are at least three times that many. It looks like their promises were empty once again.
If the Congress of the US wants us to buy into these things they are going to have to earn our trust once again. They, especially those on the left, love to tell us that the President has low approval ratings but the ratings of Congress are lower than the President's. This is a clear indication that America does not trust Congress to do a good job and does not feel Congress is currently doing a good job. This is because time and again Congress fails to do a good job. They introduce bill after bill and enact more and more laws. They need to understand that it is OK not to introduce new legislation. They need to understand that they are not there to make laws for the sake of making laws and that when they do make some law it has to be simple, needed, and enforceable without screwing millions of taxpayers. This is a hard thing for them to do.
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— go to most recent comments1 - Dave Nalle
Well, this is one of the m ost offensive nativists rants I've read in a while.
'Jackpot Babies'? Could you be more of a racist?
How long is a wall really going to do the job? Over it, under it, fucking through it - if there's a desire to get into the country they'll find a way.
We're already wasting insane amounts of money on the war on terror and the war on drugs. Let's flush even more on building an utterly pointless and mostly symbolic wall so we can feel like the master race in our little fortress of solitude.
When you let hatred override all common sense you just become ridiculous.
Dave
2 - Alec
Big Dog -- An odd post. It's interesting that you rail against the Congress, and yet seem to be in complete denial that George Bush championed this plan from the beginning, and has always pushed for a "comprehensive immigration reform" that would in effect be a de facto amnesty. It is also typical that you slam Ted Kennedy, but give John McCain and all the Republicans who voted for this bill a pass.
Calling and writing Congress is OK, if largely a waste of time. What has had a more significant impact is the refusal of many die-hard Republicans to contribute to the party as long as the party refuses to offer realistic immigration proposals. What is even more interesting here, is that corporate contributions have increased, further reinforcing the hard fact which many conservatives refuse to acknowledge, that the GOP cares far more about narrow business interests than it does about ordinary citizens. And for those who are a little slow on the uptake, being in favor of free markets is not the same thing as capitulating to big business.
By the way, the notion that you have magically figured out the original intent of the 14th Amendment is hilarious. In any event, a constitutional amendment is the most difficult, more time-consuming, and least-likely proposal that would ever be adopted with respect to immigration reform. Don't hold your breath.
Dave - re: Well, this is one of the m ost offensive nativists rants I've read in a while.
I agree that some of this is beyond the pale. But what I find interesting is that those who want to paint some anti-immigration people as racist or narrowly nativist absolutely refuse to acknowledge some of the more noxious statements by the de facto open borders crowd, and the implications of current immigration trends. For example, Southern California cities such as Bell and Santa Ana are becoming blatantly anti-black and increasingly anti-Asian, and officials refuse to enforce anti-discrimination laws. Increasingly, Latino politicians are openly declaring that their primary constituents are Latinos, whether US citizen or not.
De facto amnesty programs and the proximity of the Mexican border give Latinos a huge advantage under all the immigration proposals that I have seen, and it seems to me that any immigration reform proposal that benefits Latinos excessively, over Asians, Africans, and anyone else is blatantly racist.
3 - Clavos
Results of a new statewide Zogby poll in Florida indicate that fully 60% of likely voters in this state are in favor of legalization.
Conducted on behalf of, and published in today's Miami Herald, the results of the poll are similar to those of other, national polls, according to pollster John Zogby.
The article notes:
"Zogby said one of the surprising results was that a majority of black likely voters contacted statewide expressed support for legalization, even taking into account the margin of error of eight percentage points for that subgroup. As the debate has unfolded, some black leaders have voiced concern that foreign workers might take jobs and depress wages for blacks.
The statewide poll of 801 likely voters, conducted June 4-6, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points. Zogby also oversampled in South Florida, polling 407 likely voters in Miami-Dade, Broward, Monroe and Palm Beach counties, and those findings have a margin of error of five percentage points.
In South Florida, 61 percent of all likely voters polled agreed that immigration revisions should include a path to citizenship for most illegal immigrants who have no criminal record, pay a $5,000 fine and wait their turn behind legal immigrants to apply for permanent U.S. residency. Statewide, 60 percent agreed."
Obviously, a large majority of Floridians (and, according to the article a majority of Americans) disagree with you, Big Dog.
4 - bliffle
What percentage of Floridians are hispanic?
5 - Dave Nalle
Bliffle, that's only a slightly higher number than nationwide figures, so I'm not sure the percentage of hispanics makes much difference. Multiple polls over the past year have indicated a majority of the country supporting 'amnesty' and an overwhelming majority in favor of a guest worker program.
Dave
6 - Dave Nalle
Interesting thing about hat Miami Herald article. They include the poll info, and a single quote from someone who agrees with the majority in the poll, followed by almost a page of quotes from people who disagree with the majoritty. Gives you an idea which way that paper leans.
Dave
7 - handyguy
This issue really does seem to bring out the worst and ugliest in some folks. And Lou Dobbs and various talk radio hosts are happy to fan the flames.
8 - Dr Dreadful
Interesting that Big Dog insists on writing the word ILLEGAL in all caps. Is it:
a) because he wants to be sure that we know who the BOOGEYMAN is;
b) for the same reason the word GOD used to be written in all caps in old Bibles?
I know what my guess would be.
9 - daryl d
I hardly believe that most people feel that there should be a "blanket" amnesty. That is a huge mistake. Allowing SOME to become legal is fine with me, but the Senate plan is pathetic.
10 - Big Dog
Polls can be manipulated and they can be wrong. Seems to me the 2004 exit polls showed John Kerry as the winner. 801 people in Florida hardly represent the country and, as one earlier comment asked, how many Hispanics are in Florida?
Poll 1000 American citizens in Arizona, Texas, and other border states that have been infiltrated the most and ask them what they think.
I use ILLEGAL to differentiate from undocumented and to stress the point in the question "what part of illegal do you not understand"?
11 - Big Dog
Dave in comment #1.
Perhaps you should take your own advice except when dealing with an issue try not to let your emotions get the best of you.
You can call jackpot baby a racist statement but prove that it is racist rather than an accurate portrayal of how the 14th Amendment is abused by ILLEGALS to hit the jackpot.
We have spent 1/2 a trillion dollars on the war and 13 trillion on poverty. We still have the same level of poverty so cry a river somewhere else about wasting money.
Our country is being invaded and we refuse to enforce the law. You can see nothing wrong with that but I do. We need laws to be enforced and we need our border secured. Since all the damned border agents get put in jail by jackass lawyers while criminals run free the answer is obviously not more agents.
People need to stop suffering from cranial rectitis and see what is happening. This has nothing to do with the color of their skin, if they were coming in from Canada I would feel the same way.
The fact is, this is how many civilizations fell and we are signing our own death warrant. If you are ever on a date with your wife and a few MS 13 gang members rape both of you and kill her before your eyes while lighting both your bodies on fire or slitting your throats to watch you bleed to death I hope you will take comfort in knowing that people like you let them stay rather than putting them behind bars, deporting them, or better yet preventing their entry.
Maybe you are right, a wall might not do it but a wall was effective in Berlin and it is helping Israel. Good fences make good neighbors.
12 - zingzing
how is this any different than your last entry? it's becoming a running joke. sure, there are problems with the immigration bill. plenty of them. like getting passed, etc. but your solutions are laughable. a wall?! a fucking wall? which scares you more... a big old desert, filled with men carrying guns who like to shoot brown-skinned folks, or... a wall. what, like berlin? is that what you want? and no, you cannot have my $5 for some stupid fucking wall. put it to a vote. let's see how many americans want a wall. that way, we can figure out the general i.q. of the country while we're at it as well. a wall... jesus christ...
look, i'm not saying you're dumb. but your idea here (and the grammar in the post) are really, really bad. and you can stop with your "voice of the people" bullshit as well. you might talk for your cronies at the gunclub, but you don't sound like the voice of reason to a majority of people in the united states.
a wall... haha. oh my.
13 - zingzing
oh jesus... you do want a berlin wall. a 700 mile long berlin wall. in the desert. wonderful. crackers.
14 - Dave Nalle
Poll 1000 American citizens in Arizona, Texas, and other border states that have been infiltrated the most and ask them what they think.
Actually, they HAVE polled them, and they favor legalization for illegals and a guest worker program at about 8% higher than the general population. See my forthcoming article on this subject for details.
Perhaps you should take your own advice except when dealing with an issue try not to let your emotions get the best of you.
I challenge you to point out anywhere in my many posts on this subject that I've ever used an emotional appeal of any sort. I'm not heavily emotionally invested in this issue, unlike most of you nativists.
You can call jackpot baby a racist statement but prove that it is racist rather than an accurate portrayal of how the 14th Amendment is abused by ILLEGALS to hit the jackpot.
It can be accurate and still be racist and inflammatory. It suggests a motivation to the parents of the child which is not established or provable. I probably shouldn't have used the term 'racist' since most mexicans aren't all that racially distinct from an awful lot of Americans. But it's certainly an offensive, nativist slur.
We have spent 1/2 a trillion dollars on the war and 13 trillion on poverty. We still have the same level of poverty so cry a river somewhere else about wasting money.
And let's not forget the war on drugs. But the real point is that I'm against wasting money on ALL of these bad ideas, including a retarded border fence. You just pick and choose based on your prejudices.
Dave
15 - Clavos
Big Dog says;
"how many Hispanics are in Florida?
Poll 1000 American citizens in Arizona, Texas, and other border states that have been infiltrated the most and ask them what they think."
Want your cake and eat it, too?
There are (as the article says) about 1,000,000 LATINOS (NOT "Hispanics," none of them are from Spain) in Florida; total pop. 18M.
16 - Big Dog
Zing, then don't check the box.
What would you have us do to secure the border? Do you lock your doors at night and when you are not home or do you leave them open? If you came home and found someone in your house eating your food, watching your TV and using your shower would you call the police or would you ask them to leave? What would you do if they said they had a right to be there and you had no say in the matter?
As for this post, you can disagree with the content but would you mind pointing out the grammatical errors to which you refer? I might have missed a comment here or there and I am sure there is a run on sentence but I would really be interested in you pointing out those errors and please, since I might just be dumb, explain why they are errors.
Just help this knuckle dragger out a bit.
Oh, and one more favor. Please take that against brown skinned people crap and stuff it in a warm, smelly place. That is not the argument here and calling people a racist does not make it so and it takes away from your argument.
Let me make it clearer for you: I don't give a damn what color they are, if they are ILLEGAL they are ILLEGAL.
17 - Big Dog
I do not doubt that a large number of people think that we need to do something, I doubt the majority thinks it is amnesty. Recent polls (and I admit they can be manipulated) indicate nearly 90% of Americans do not believe this bill will stop or even curb illegal immigration and that it will cost a lot of money.
Clavos, the definition in my Webster's says that Latino and Hispanic are synonymous.
Latino: a person of Latin-American origin living in the United States
Hispanic: of, relating to, or being a person of Latin American descent living in the United States; especially : one of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin
18 - zingzing
"What would you have us do to secure the border?"
make legalized immigration beneficial to both the country and those who wish to immigrate. there is no stopping it immigration, legal or illegal. we might as well benefit from it. a wall won't change a thing.
"Do you lock your doors at night and when you are not home or do you leave them open?"
i lock them. i live in a city. what?
"If you came home and found someone in your house eating your food, watching your TV and using your shower would you call the police or would you ask them to leave?"
i don't expect to find such a thing.
"What would you do if they said they had a right to be there and you had no say in the matter?"
depends on if they had a gun or were bigger than me. are you saying that my apartment is a metaphor for the country at large? because i have no ownership over america... and i don't keep my stuff all over america... and america cleans and dirties itself without me.
nah, i'm not going to go through and edit your writing. that's up to you and the editors. there are, however, many errors. that part's up to you, but i do count 10 basic grammatical errors in the first 2 paragraphs, including a pretty horrible spelling error.
"Please take that against brown skinned people crap and stuff it in a warm, smelly place. That is not the argument here and calling people a racist does not make it so and it takes away from your argument."
ha! oh, my. i didn't call you a racist. i have my opinions on that, but i didn't say "big dog, you are a racist," now did i? nope. i said that people carrying guns who like to shoot brown-skinned folks in a desert are more threatening than a wall could be. and those minutemen, especially those that wander in the desert with a great desire to shoot a mexican, are certainly racists. i was pointing out the racists and the desert and the guns... as dangerous and threatening to any mexican trying to enter illegally.
so shove that up your butt. happy?
19 - zingzing
or analogy.
20 - Nancy
Never heard the term "jackpot babies" before; how is it possibly racist? Isn't that what these are: a jackpot for the parents to get a wedge into staying? This aspect of the constitution has been grossly abused & I agree entirely it ought to be shut down, altho I doubt retroactive revocation of citizenship will ever be considered, let alone enacted, given the current craven behavior of the maggots on Capitol Hill & in the WH. BD, you're very silent on the fact that your boy, Junior, is the primary proponent of this amnesty & open borders - mainly I suspect because it benefits so many of his contributors/backers/cronies so much. He as good as announced yesterday that when he gets back he intends to be the one doing the 'ramming' down everyone's throats.
21 - Jerry
Zing Zing -
Had to call you on that last paragragh. I don't recall reading or hearing much at all about brown skinned people getting shot along the border except by other brown-skinners. However B.P. Officers Jose Campeon and Ignacio Ramos, also brown, are serving jail time for their illfated attempt at stopping a drug runner.
22 - zingzing
there are many links between the minutemen and racism. google it.
23 - Jerry
Nancy, you got it right again. I heard a radio talk show host try to blame the failure of the immigration bill on Harry Reid because he tabled it.
It is really the "fault" of the American people. We caused it to "fail" because we are finally getting wise to the strategies of the congressmaggots, who are afraid to shove it down our throats. I'm sure they will regroup with a fresh supply of PK Jelly though.
We can thank "W" for at least this one thing: He is teaching us to never trust the gov't to look out for our best interests.
24 - Jerry
I'm talking about shooting people Zing, not hating them.
25 - zingzing
and i'm talking about what's more threatening, not body counts.
that said, i don't want to add to any conspiracy theory nonsense, but i wouldn't be at all surprised to find bullet holes in some of those that "expire" in the desert... and i'm sure there are quite a few shallow graves out there.