What we’re going through right now, both in America and throughout the West, isn’t just any economic or political crisis but a moral crisis first and foremost. Get with it and act accordingly!
I’ve been sensitized of late to a troubling disconnect on the part of the modern human between morality (and moral language) and everyday life. This disconnect is all the more troubling because it seems to be shared by the educated and the simple folk alike. More so by the former, I’d venture to say, if I were a betting man.…
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Good morning to you too.
Anarcissie,
Thought you might be interested since mentioned her once or twice on TD.
An excerpt from Katrina vanden Heuvel's just published,
The Change I Believe In: Fighting For Progress in the Age of Obama, a collection of her columns from The Nation. "The Age of Obama" is rather pretentious, but it makes for a good selling title, I guess.
She was interviewed today on the second hour of the DR show, and I'll post a link to the podcast once it's available.
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27 - roger nowosielski
The podcast has just been made available.
28 - roger nowosielski
We are the many!
Pretty much explains why I'm totally unsympathetic with the privileged white males who compose the bulk of this forum. I spit in their faces, as a matter of fact.
So call me incompetent, insolent or abusive, any name you can think of, accuse me of lack of reading comprehension or not listening, but this kind doesn't deserve any better. They live a life of lie, and I'll be the proverbial thorn in their flesh until they come to their right senses. The don't deserve to be listened to, and to comprehend them is to reduce oneself to their miserable condition. One way or another, they'll either come to see the light or be swept like dust by the peoples' movement.
And the same goes for those who, however sympathetic to the people's movement, either for their temporary lapse of mind or fragile egos, listen to the voices of the privileged white males. I have no compassion for them either. And their ready-made response of crying uncle is but a sign of a scoundrel.
And no, this doesn't contradict the spirit of the subject article, in only brings it into sharper relief. Moral outlook doesn't come without personal responsibility, responsibility for making the right kind of decisions and deciding on whose side you are. And until the privileged white male makes the right kind of decision, he's my enemy and the enemy of the people. He deserves none better.
The time for self-justification and making oneself look good is over. Before love can reign, it's time to stir the pot.
Reminds you of Moonraven? Well, it ought to. If I can trust an outsider's account, even Eden ended up calling for her expulsion.
29 - Jordan Richardson
You better aim some of that spit straight up, Roger...
30 - roger nowosielski
Ain't falling on me, Jordan.
My urine won't carry as far as it used to, neither my ejaculations. But as far as spit is concerned, I'm still OK, just don't let me stay dehydrated.
31 - Clavos
(wipes spit off face)
32 - roger nowosielski
Wasn't directed at you, Clavos, let me assure you, unless the wind had done its thing.
How's was that, though, for engaging in a bit of Ruvyesque?
33 - Jordan Richardson
At least that's all you're wiping off, Clav.
34 - roger nowosielski
Jordan, we don't want to carry this too far!
Let's be sensible.
35 - Jordan Richardson
From what you told me in #30, I don't think there's much chance of anything going too far.
36 - roger nowosielski
True, except for the spittle.
37 - roger nowosielski
What's of course wrong with these online communications, guys, most of us aren't really made for this rarified air of pure intellectual discourse, having no recourse to the usual touchy touchy, kissie kissie, feely feely -- nothing, in short, being person to person wouldn't cure.
So let's take it all in stride and stop making a big deal out it. You can't expect the net to replace a kiss and a hug, so why bother trying? Got to learn to live with the limitations.
38 - Jordan Richardson
Huh?
39 - Clavos
@#32,
Though you may not have realized it, Roger, yes it was; I am a privileged white guy and working hard to stay one.
40 - troll
(again simply for clarity - I didn't call for banning Moonraven...the closet was a point when she made it crystal clear that she was in no mood for civility and I pointed out that people seeking such discourse with her shouldn't bother engaging)
41 - troll
OWS evicted this morning
42 - troll
latest I'm hearing is of a possible restraining order to allow protesters back onto liberty square...and of people looking for space for 'refugees' at Trinity Church -- anyone hear more?
43 - troll
...protesters gathering to take back the square
44 - troll
nypd - 180 to 190 arrests made in the ...action
45 - troll
looking at the pics and videos of the attack and beatings you have to wonder if this is what democracy looks like...looks like a police state to me
46 - troll
march to reoccupy is underway
47 - troll
response developing to hold 2 locations -- liberty square and canal & 6th
48 - troll
nypd blocking the reoccupation of the square...
49 - troll
1st arrest at the police barricade tweeted
50 - troll
crowd challenging the barricade
51 - troll
protesters at occupy toronto are receiving their eviction notices at this time...
52 - troll
protesters reading court order allowing their return to the square to the police trying to educate them and get them to stand down
53 - troll
police awaiting orders...
54 - roger nowosielski
Important public announcement:
This land of the thief and the slave is in the process of invoking the state of exception. The coordinated attack on OWS sites from New York to California should convince anyone we're quickly on the way to becoming a police state. Subway services have been interrupted insofar as making normal stops at Wall Street, the Brooklyn Bridge and other means of access to the Liberty Plaza blocked. It's almost a full scale military operation, the next thing coming is a marshal law. The duplicity that America exhibits time and again, the double standard, with respect to lawful protests in the Middle East and Africa as opposed to similar developments at home is unconscionable. It's time for the international community to step in and declare the USA as the enemy of the people and start applying the same sanction against it that we're so trigger happy to be applying to others.
Other means of resistance suggest themselves. Another coordinated labor strike, nationwide, is definitely in order. Additionally, there must be a way to organize nationwide taxpayers' revolt to withhold all municipal and state taxes, even put putting them in an escrow account, in order to defang the police apparatus of the militaristic state. Meanwhile, the good governor Andrew Cuomo, the son of an honorable Democrat, sits on the sidelines while the fascist Bloomberg conducts his "cleanup operation." Shame!
The people had better wake up before it's too late. OWS needs our full and unconditional support.
55 - roger nowosielski
@39
That may be so, Clav, but you have other identifications as well.
Did I say all white guys, privileged or nor, are bad?
56 - roger nowosielski
And what do you mean, BTW, by "trying to stay privileged"? Somehow, I can't form a sharp image this expression evokes.
57 - troll
protesters remaining peaceful and not storming the square awaiting a court hearing at 11:30
58 - roger nowosielski
The days of Mayor John Lindsay and Percy Sutton are over.
59 - troll
this is an international clamp down - I watched a video of Occupy Warsaw under police attack yesterday...Occupy London is under notice...on and on
60 - roger nowosielski
The Poles had a long admiration for America since the fifties, having been under the Russian thumb all these years.
Not the young generation.
61 - troll
the concerted effort s to shut down occupies was coordinated
62 - troll
scattered individual arrests continue along the barricade -- court hearing on eviction about to get going
63 - troll
arrest buses pulling into place
64 - roger nowosielski
From the horse's mouth.
Admission of the coordinated effort by Mayor Jean Quan
65 - troll
call the mayor at 416 397 3673 & leave your message of support of the movement
66 - troll
action at Trinity Church - church not allowing police onto church property at Duarte Square where 400 protesters a gathered
67 - roger nowosielski
Use to work at 2 Wall Street, a cross walk away from Trinity Church Park, a perfect place for a quick lunch. A far better site for OWS because of it's visibility and in-your-face presence.
Good for the Trinity Church -- still the highest piece of real estate in NYC.
68 - troll
church backs down - police are entering Duarte Sq and the beatings and arrests have begun
69 - roger nowosielski
Fuck that.
70 - roger nowosielski
Live action here.
71 - roger nowosielski
This would be more effective:
Email to NY governor, Andrew Cuomo.
72 - roger nowosielski
Whatever good it will do, they acknowledge receipt.
73 - troll
Duarte Sq has been cleared of protester - a couple dozen arrests there
74 - roger nowosielski
And here's how to contact The Trinity Church.
75 - troll
large march from Duarte to Liberty Sq underway