Unlike Mitt Romney, the Rev. Huckabee fails the Christian litmus test.
Rev. Mike Huckabee is supposed to be the most adamant, pure Christian candidate in the race for President. But I think Huckabee seems to be the least truly Christian in the Republican field. I might cite several grounds for that, but mostly I'm saying this because of the sleazy and underhanded way he's demagogically using his religion specifically against Mitt Romney.…
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176 - Jacob
OK -- So Al Barger like teen-age girls and he says it's not a BAD thing.
But he avoids the issue of whether he is secretly having sex with his teenage foster daughters.
177 - Jacob
BTW -- Go back and read #166.
178 - Lumpy
For the record the jews in PNAC are mostly non observant jews or outri
179 - Dr Dreadful
Jacob: There is a more than slight possibility that Mr Barger is getting a rise out of you - something to which you appear utterly oblivious.
However, since you've amply demonstrated that you're not shy of making a fool of yourself in public, please do carry on.
Al: I'm sure it's fun, but it is rather unfair - like a cat playing with a mouse...
180 - Jacob
Looks like dr dreadfool also likes teen age girls.
181 - Irene Wagner
Jacob in #174: I'm sitting here laughing. You are telling me I said just the opposite of what I said. It's not the PNAC Jews (who are largely nonobservant, as Lumpy pointed out) by whom I feel betrayed, or at least misrepresented. It's the PNAC Christians.
Speaking of teenage girls, you are manifesting the irrational conversational transitions and peevishness of a young woman who is about to...never mind.I suggest you get yourself a hot water bottle for that crampy abdomen and go have a little nap!
182 - Jacob
Irene -- I’m sorry I popped your bubble about Jew and Christian neo-conservatives -- but it’s great that you can sit there and laugh about it.
And speaking of teenage girls, Joseph Smith was ahead of his time. He would feel more than welcome in today’s culture.
183 - Dr Dreadful
Jacob, how nice of you to so promptly demonstrate my hypothesis in para 2 of my comment #179.
184 - Irene Wagner
Jacob, all kidding aside now, are you feeling OK? You seem a little sped up, here and on other threads. I get that way sometimes when I've not had enough sleep. Not being snarky, just a little concerned actually.
185 - Jacob
Dr dreadfool -- What you call your ‘hypothesis’ is nothing more than your emotional conjecture.
Please learn how to deal with facts.
Your emotional reactions could be humorous but come up short.
Keep trying...
186 - Jacob
Irene -- I’ll tell you what I told dr dreadfool...
Please learn how to deal with facts.
You say you get this way when you've not had enough sleep?
Please get some rest.
You’ll feel better tomorrow.
187 - Jacob
As Joe Friday, when confronted with excited witnesses and hysterical victims would say, “Just give us the facts. Just the facts.”
188 - Irene Wagner
No, Jake, it's too early to go to sleep here. I plan to pass out some Ron Paul door hangers, and then take my daughter out to see "Sleepless in Seattle" at a coffehouse. Then it'll probably be time to think about turning in. You're right, a good night's sleep often does wonders--but sometimes sleep can be pretty dang elusive, and then all sorts of trouble can start brewing.
I wasn't trying to be insulting, Jake, just helpful. It's hard to tell what's going on with people solely by observing their behavior online.
Maybe you should call some relatives, or ask a friend over. If they think you should head over to the ER for a checkup, don't fight them. They're probably only trying to be helpful, too.
189 - Dr Dreadful
Jacob,
You are making a goddamned fool of yourself and pretty much everyone on BC besides you can see it plainly. It'd be sad if it wasn't so funny.
Furthermore, it appears that you now believe anyone who disagrees with you is a pedophile.
You'd probably have been at the front of the crowd in Salem, MA in 1692 yelling, "Witch!"
190 - Jacob
Dr dreadfool -- It appears that you are the one who wants anyone who disagrees with me to be considered a pedophile.
It’s coming out of your posts. You are the one with the problem.
It could be that you didn't like my responses to you and this is your best retort. Or it could be simple hysteria.
If you want to be credible -- provide facts -- not innuendo.
191 - Irene Wagner
You're either ill, Jacob, or pretending to be.
Either way, I can't talk to you anymore. I don't know how to help you other than to suggest you start here.
192 - Irene Wagner
Sorry, Jake. Not there. Here.
193 - Jacob
According to dr dreadfool -- “Furthermore, it appears that you now believe anyone who disagrees with you is a pedophile.”
“it appears that you now believe...”
Nice try.
I commented to those who admitted or supported “it's not a BAD thing to like teen age girls.”
If that gives you thoughts of being a pedophile -- you do have a problem.
194 - Jacob
Irene -- "You're either ill, Jacob, or pretending to be. Either way, I can't talk to you anymore."
I can still talk -- so I cannot be the one who is ill.
Get some rest -- in the morning re-read the posts and see if you feel better after discarding the innuendo, conjecture and emotional diatribes.
195 - Al Barger
Now Brother Jacob, ya needs to PLAY NICE. Do you really just get off purely on the displays of hostility? Have the holidays given you the blues, sad and mad because you've got no friends? You know, people would like you better if you'd just be friendlier. Then they might invite you to join in their reindeer games, like a real little boy.
196 - STM
Irene, if it makes you feel any better, you are not the first poster on these threads to find dealing with Jacob a tad more than exasperating.
197 - Jacob
I was expecting the guy who I used to think was full of clay...
You're late.
198 - Jacob
Al -- "displays of hostility?"
No.
Just measured responses.
199 - Dr Dreadful
Irene: I plan to pass out some Ron Paul door hangers...
Door hangers, eh?
Do they say "Do Not Disturb' on one side and 'Please Leave Ron Paul in My Room' on the other?
Sorry - couldn't resist...!
200 - Irene Wagner
Dr. Dreadful, sorry for not responding sooner, but...I was passing out Ron Paul door hangers!
What a GREAT evening---clear, chilly, starry sky, the Christmas lights were on all over the neighborhood, I must have passed out a hundred door hangers, AND I was listening to FM radio over my cell phone and GUESS WHAT came on? NPR's "On Point" call-in show with an interview with Ron Paul! 'Twas perfect.
OK very funny. :P This is what the door hangers REALLY said.
On one side is printed: "Ron Paul 2008 Hope for America...In the words of former Treasury Secretary William Simon, Dr. Paul is the "one exception to the gang of 535" on Capitol Hill...has served on the House Banking committee, he is a strong advocate for sound monetary policy...used his House seat to actively promote the return of government to its proper constitutional levels..."
Other side: "...He voted against the Iraq war. He voted against the Patriot Act. He has never voted to raise taxes. He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch. He has never voted to raise Congressional pay. He has never taken a government-paid junket. He does not participate in the lucrative Congressional pension program. He returns a portion of his annual Congressional office budget to the U.S. Treasury every year..."
There are also three very handsome (or "presidential") pictures of Dr. Paul on the door hanger. I think you should order up a bunch, Dr. Dreadful.
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STM - I think the situation has deteriorated over the last few days. Hope everything turns out well for him. Happy New Year!
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Al Barger--thanks for putting together the Gospel music collection. I have the link and hope to enjoy it soon.
OK see y'all later.
201 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
For the record the Jews in PNAC are mostly non-observant Jews or outright non-believers.
The non-believers with the Jewish names are nothing but court Jews who think that by kissing the ass of the Protestant oil and banking establishment that really runs America, they will get brownie points. Their brown noses have gotten them little. Wolfowitz was made president of the World Bank and got crucified. Stan Fisher got shipped of to be the president of the Bank of Israel (what a dinky assignment for a guy who should be enjoying 9 on the links and his grandkids!) to make sure that our wallets were reliant on the damned dollar.
The boys in the establishment are happy to have them there. When the shit hits the fan in your country, as it is presently, they will be like dolls in the breakfront for the mob (people who think like Jacob) to throw rocks at.
The court Jews of today have the same problem their predecessors (from Joseph to the Rothchilds) have had. They could never tell the difference between a manager and an owner. The court Jews are mere managers. The Protestants are the owners.
There is a reason n we Jews invented the word "WASP", folks. Not all of us are stupid court Jews.
202 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Oh, yeah. Just to remind you all. Not all of us have been so stupid to buy into the sour nightmare that was the American dream by selling our identity and sacred heritage for an SUV and a fancy house.
Regards from Samaria, and have a good week.
203 - REMF
"It was the standard of the day, so Joseph Smith was conventional in the context of his era."
- Clavos
So were 51 fucking wives also conventional in the context of his era?
204 - REMF
"150 years ago. Therefore, utterly meaningless as far as the modern Mormon Church or Mitt Romney is concerned."
- RJ Elliott
Utter horseshit. I don't care if it was 1500 years ago, Elliott. Any religion claiming to be "the true church" will be held eternally responsible for the slaughter of dozens innocent women and children.
205 - Clavos
"Any religion claiming to be "the true church..."
...In other words, all of them.
...will be held eternally responsible for the slaughter of dozens innocent women and children.
...Again, all of them, and they've killed them in the hundreds of thousands, not "dozens."
I couldn't agree with you more; unfortunately, no religion ever has been, nor is ever likely to be held responsible by anyone, especially not the mythical "god' they all pray to.
206 - Jet in Columbus
Go to the menu above left, click BC Foroms, click General/politics/2008 presidential poll-who would you vote for?
207 - Jet in Columbus
Never mind, I just noticed it's gone! What gives????????????????
208 - Jet in Columbus
A poll for who you'd vote for as President is being run on BCs Forum page. To add your voice click here
209 - RJ Elliott
"Any religion claiming to be "the true church" will be held eternally responsible for the slaughter of dozens innocent women and children."
Well, then all religions deserve to be held "eternally responsible" for the crimes that have been committed by their believers. Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. all have committed horrible crimes in the name of their religion at some point in the past (or present day).
You don't even have a real argument here. You just apparently hate Mormons. (Or maybe just Mitt Romney.)
210 - REMF
"The Mountain Meadows massacre involved a mass slaughter of the Fancher-Baker emigrant wagon train at Mountain Meadows in Utah Territory by Mormon militia in September 1857. It began as an attack, quickly turned into a siege and eventually culminated on September 11, 1857, in the execution of the unarmed emigrants after their surrender.
The Arkansas emigrants were traveling to California shortly before the Utah War started. Mormons throughout the Utah Territory had been mustered to fight the United States Army, which they believed was intended to destroy them as a people.
The emigrants stopped to rest and regroup their approximately 800 head of cattle at Mountain Meadows, a valley within the Iron County Military District of the Nauvoo Legion.
Initially intending to orchestrate an Indian massacre, two men with leadership roles in local military, church and government organizations, Isaac C. Haight and John D. Lee, conspired for Lee to lead militiamen disguised as Native Americans along with a contingent of Paiute tribesmen in an attack. The emigrants fought back and a siege ensued. Intending to leave no witnesses of Mormon complicity in the siege and avoid reprisals complicating the Utah War, militiamen induced the emigrants to surrender and give up their weapons. After escorting the emigrants out of their fortification, the militiamen and their tribesmen auxiliaries executed approximately 120 men, women and children."
(from Wikipedia)
211 - REMF
Looks like Dr. Dreadful and Jacob are doing their impression of Moe and Curly taking turns hitting each other over the head...
212 - Jacob
All I did was kick him in the ass.
213 - Dr Dreadful
All you did was sail dangerously close to slander, both against Al and myself. You're not Daryl D's evil twin, are you?
I might add the observation (and this applies to most of your comments, Jacob) that it's rather hard to kick someone in the ass with a boot that only exists in your fevered imagination.
REMF, you're several days late. That last whack over the head from
MoeClavos must have put you in a temporary coma...214 - Dr Dreadful
Back to the reason I dropped into this thread again:
Al, you're onto something with Huckabee, that's for sure. For instance, the absolute gall he exhibited today trying to pass himself off as a man of integrity by saying he won't be running an ad accusing Romney of dishonesty... then showing it to reporters anyway.
Lovely fellow.
215 - Jacob
Now, Now, boys -- all that's allowed here is ass-kicking.
216 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
So would Christians and Jews automatically be outside the pale along with Mormons?
I don't think it will ever happen, but if Romney is elected as chief greyhound is your doggy race, it will be educational on a gut level for big-time Christian preachers in your country to be called "gentile" by a putative president Romney. You would all get a small dose of what being Jewish has been like in exile for so many centuries.
217 - Jacob
Anthony Circosta, a decorated Iraq War veteran from Massachusetts, needed a gun permit to get a promotion at his security job and to pursue a possible career as a police officer. But first he needed to have his record cleared of a childhood felony - shooting a classmate in the shoulder with a BB gun when he was 13.
In 2004, Circosta's Army National Guard unit was deployed to Iraq, where he spent a year as a combat medic. He was promoted to first lieutenant and was awarded the Bronze Star for meritorious service.
The Massachusetts clemency board investigated Circosta's case and twice recommended pardoning him. But then-Governor Mitt Romney refused, preserving a record of rejecting every clemency request that crossed his desk.
Why?
Romney wants his clemency record to be as neat as his hair.
218 - Jacob
When Republican presidential candidates were asked to cite their biggest mistake, Romney replied: "Probably from a political standpoint and a personal standpoint, the greatest mistake was when I first ran for office, being deeply opposed to abortion but saying, 'I support the current law,' which was pro-choice and effectively a pro-choice position. That was just wrong."
The truth is, when Romney ran for office in Massachusetts he went far beyond saying, "I support the current law." He begged voters to accept him as an embracer of abortion rights. He said, "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal."
Romney campaigned for governor in 2002, as a pro-choice candidate. Romney knew that in Massachusetts a Republican had no chance of being elected governor without appearing liberal, so he responded to the National Abortion Rights Action League's candidate survey with the statement, "I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government's."
The issue now is not abortion, it’s honesty.
Romney could win the GOP nomination.
And if Romney is ever elected president, the voters will get what they deserve.
A proven liar who puts power above ethics.
Just what the country needs.
219 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
"All Jesus did, assuming he lived, was tell his friends (before he got executed by the Romans) to bring all those who wouldn't follow him (or who would deny him - I forget the exact wording) before him to be slain."
-- Ruvy
Where did you read that?
Jacob, I found it in the Book of Luke, 19:27.
It's always fun to see exactly the character of a fellow so many call a god. Christians raise this guy somewhat too high for my tastes. No man is perfect, and this man showed himself to be bloodthirsty enough; he got paid back on several levels....
Of course, his followers paid us back on several levels for a millennia and two thirds....
220 - Dr Dreadful
Ruvy, you're taking the verse out of context.
Read the Parable of the Minas again, here. Take careful note, in 19:27, of the position of the closing single quotation mark...
221 - Clavos
"Take careful note, in 19:27, of the position of the closing single quotation mark..."
As well as the opening double quotes
in 19:11, which is the beginning of Jesus' speech.
Doc's right, Ruvy...
222 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Re: Luke 19:11-27. So, all of this is some dumb story? Apparently I did misread the text. Fortunately, it wasn't all in Greek! It's nice to see the preacher wasn't as murderous as appeared - but did his followers have to be, subsequently?
It gives them even less of an excuse and makes Christian Jew-hatred even less excusable than it already is....
223 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
And are you sure that in this parable, Jesus is not himself really the king mentioned? If so, then the meaning I ascribed to Luke 19:27 in the first place, stands.
224 - REMF
"150 years ago. Therefore, utterly meaningless as far as the modern Mormon Church or Mitt Romney is concerned."
- RJ Elliott
So any explanation for why the Mormon Church has continuously denied - to this day - the involvement of both the Church and Brigham Young with the Massacre?