It's still not too late to change from a war on terror to a war on the causes of terrorism
With the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, purported to be the al-Qaeda number one guy in Iraq, the American military is working itself up into a fine old state of excitement. After military personnel combing through the wreckage of the bombsite found Mr. al-Zarqawi's diaries, phone books and computers, Major General William Caldwell said the troops had found a "treasure trove" and that 56 raids had already been carried out as a result.…
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26 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
JOM writes,
"So Ruvy, please explain,does the Israeli army have a couple of platoons of "non-jews" to do all their dirty work...they must according to you!".
A lot of the real dirty work the IDF has done in the last couple of years or so - kicking Jews out of their homes - has been done by platoons of soldiers/police who are not Jews. Enough of us on site know enough languages to know when there is a foreigner there. So the answer to the above is "yes".
Ariel Sharon got elected in 2001 because lots of Israelis know that as a yong man, he commanded a unit that massacred an entire Arab village. So they believed he was the man to end Arab terror. But, as anyone can see, he wasn't.
JOM continues, screaming now,
"LET ME REMIND YOU[, YOU] HAVE SEEMED TO FORGOTTEN....AND FREED ALL THOSE 'NON CHRISTIANS' IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS."
The German military code was cracked long before the Germans dropped the first bombs on Poland in 1939. And knowledge of this code finally came into common use in the war effort against them around 1941 and helped the British stop the Germans in North Africa.
The key point about knowing somebody else's code is not to let himn know that fact. So silence on certain things (like bombing railroad tracks leading to concentration camps) was essential. But after D-day and the invasion of France, it was no longer that essential to security. Nevertheless, in spite of the fact that the Americans knew exactly what was going on with the slaughter of my people, not to mention Gypsies and homosexuals, American bombers never once struck a track leading to a concentration camp, or struck a concentration camp. I don't know what that tells you, but it tells me that the American administration (those who were let in on the massive slaughter the Nazis had undertaken) was very content to see Jews killed. So the American government was quite willing to fire-bomb civilians in Dresden, but Jewish lives were not worth the effort of saving.
Go read my article "Dependence Day in Jerusalem" and concentrate on comment #11 there - I will not waste my time retyping it here - and learn why I feel no gratitude towards the United States government at all.
27 - gonzo marx
JoM...you ask for something, but offer only vitriol in exchange
too bad, but you just made it into a relatively exclusive club
/ignore
Excelsior?
28 - Richard Marcus
Well it was an interesting conversation for a while, how about we get back on to topic and stop slaging each other now.
Ruvey, I have to respect your opinion becuase you live in a circumstance that I can not comprehend. If people were to read your comments closely though they will realize you are probably more sympathetic to muslims than most of the so called liberal press in North America and Europe.
Your enemy are the cowards who have no compunction of blowing up non-combatants and calling it an act of heroism and they should be the enemy of all of us. I did not once refer to those shits as guerrilas or insurgents- those are two different creatures.
A guerrila conducts war against soldiers not against civillians, it's just his tactics are not those of the battle field- hit and run suprise ambushes to demoralize and invader or occupying force. It started with the Spaninsh in the Napoleonic Wars, and had continued on down through French Resitance and Yugoslave, Russian, and any other partisan groups during the Second World War; The Stern and Irgun who fought for Israeli independance(and comitted a couple of atrocities along the way unfortunately) the Viet Cong, oh and Ronald Regan's favourite the Contras.
It all depends, when talking about forces like that, which side of the fence you are on if they are evile terrorist, or the bravest fighters for freedom since our founding fathers (Regan's descritption of the Contras: folks who had no problem wipping out vilages of peasent farmers and blowing up schools- I lost friends to those pricks)
What I was arguing that if you want to win the war killing a couple of people aint going to do it on its own, and so maybe we were agreeing on that point. I wasn't arguing against killing the guy, I was arguing the fact that simply killing the guy really isn't going to accomplish anything without providing an alternative solution to the conditions that produce powere hungry jerks like the bin Ladens of the world. If there are not people willing to listen to them, then they don't exist except as farts in the wind.
So we create a situation where people don't have a reason to listen to them, or at least have something else to listen to. Right now we aren't so we will continue to lose the war on terror.
Shalom Ruvey
Oh and I don't think Ruvey was slighting any contributions that anybody made during World War two, he was simply refering to the history before that conflict, and how all the great democracies of the world had no space for Jewish refugees in 1938 when they were desperate to flee Europe, and they were forced to stay there and die by the millions until they were "saved" in 1945.
That's all for now, play nice everybody
Richard
29 - JustOneMan
Ruvy...
"I feel no gratitude towards the United States government at all."
F--K YOU...you wouldnt be here if it wasnt for all those boys who lost their lives...you who is alive today to worship your GOD, breath fresh air and raise a family anywhere you want...while those that liberated your family are six feet under somewhere on the battle field...
Remeber if it werent for this country that you despise so much their wouldnt be an Israel..
Ruvy, you have revealed yourself as a pathetic human being always playing the part of the "Victim"...this is the reason why "dual citizenship" is crap...you my in my opinion..are actual an enemy of America...no better than those that strap explosives around their bellies and kill innocent people riding a bus to work!
In addition---dont spread any left wing Israeli propaganda--those are Jewish soldiers--yes those Jewish soldiers worship the same GOD that you do-- that are "kicking Jews out of their homes"
Ruvy...your have proven yourself to be a "fake, phoney, fraud"
PS--have you recieved your welfare check and food stamps this month - courtesy of the American tax payer...
30 - JustOneMan
Bozo....I have to remember your technique..rather than answer a question...just randomly type words to look like a sentence...
Hmmmm creative...
Bozo...where the scars...knee burns and a sore throat?
31 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
JOM,
"A fool proclaims himself to be a fool" (Ecclesiastes), and that is exactly what you are doing.
Your trigger quick response proves that you have not even taken the trouble to even read what I've written on Blog Critics (Gonzo sends me to movies and books I can't afford to buy - but he at least writes like the gentleman he is, even if he doesn't agree with me and is disgusted with my viewpoint).
"Left wing Israeli propaganda?" You've made my day! I won't bother rebutting you - not because I can't or do not have the evidence - I most assuredly do - but because you will not read what I send. It is not worth the bother.
As King Solomon wrote over three thousand years ago, thinking of you, "a fool proclaims himself a fool."
End of discussion.
32 - JustOneMan
Ruvy...say what?
1. You dont have a moral high ground because you use bible quotes. Stop hiding behind your religion and address the issues - the smoke screen isnt working!
2. Every time I press you to justify your position your standard response is to push traffic to your blog site...
3. I belive I have revealed you for what you really are...a misguided...ingnoramis...who can only throw stones and not debate the issues...
4. Heres a quote worthy of a low life like you
"Oh! I didn't realize it was happy hopping moron day!" Sponge Bob
33 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Richard, you wrote,
"I don't think Ruvy was slighting any contributions that anybody made during World War two, he was simply refering to the history before that conflict, and how all the great democracies of the world had no space for Jewish refugees in 1938 when they were desperate to flee Europe, and they were forced to stay there and die by the millions until they were "saved" in 1945."
Richard, you do a mitzva by trying to make peace. Unfortunately, I was "slighting" the contributions of the American GOVERNMENT to the defeat of the Nazis. I was driving home - with a sledgehammer - the point that the United States acted with barbarous atrocity in WWII and does so today in Iraq as well.
Unlike so many others, I wasn't screaming bloody murder, complaining or making moral condemnations. WWII has been over for a little while now, Nam ended a generation ago and even the beginning of the Gulf War (1990) recedes into the memory like the Meiji dynasty did a century ago. I was merely trying to get others to see the truth in its unvarnished, unglorified form.
That can be a hard sell. Gonzo is a veteran of the US armed forces. I do not know if he faced combat duty, but he implies ever so indirectly that he has. So whle he disagrees with me in principle, I have to respect his viewpoint. He has laid his ass on the line for his country and he deserves that respect.
JOM curses at me like someone who may have served in Korea or during WWII. I know that my father-in-law, who was a veteran of WWII, would disown us if I pushed these points of view on him. Good thing my family is not reading this...
It can be real hard for a veteran to distinguish between the GOVERNMENT he served and himself...
34 - JustOneMan
"Good thing my family is not reading this..."
hmmm an embarrassment to your family to?
35 - Michael J. West
Astonishing how fast a discussion on this site can go from genuine intellectual process to "Fuck you"s and cheap shots.
36 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Yeah Mike,
You're right. Let's try to bring this round to the original topic out of respect for the author of the article.
It is not really possible to have a war on ideas. Wars on crime, drugs, illiteracy, gambling, what have you, are no more than publicity stunts. A war on terror is the same.
Thus, one is forced to ask what the US is doing in Mesopotamia. A publicity stunt with so many deaths, not just of the Americans, but of the natives, is not a mere stunt any longer.
One is forced to wonder why Al Qaeda central is moving so fast to absorb and integrate the Iraqi branch of the operation, headed by the late al-Zarqawi. I raised the issue earlier. A snitch loyal to bin-Ladin ratted on al-Zarqawi's location and the Americans blew him away.
Given that George HW Bush is a mere headwaiter for the Saud family, and given that the bin-Ladins and the Bushes are friends, this may well be possible, in my eyes.
37 - JustOneMan
Using ruffys logic heres another one thats just a plausable....
Maybe Bin Ladin is really a Mossad secret agent...Israel is using him to pull the US into a war with their enemies and do the work that they are too incompetent to do! Its all starting to make sense now...all they had to do was hijack a couple of planes....pure genius
He ruffy...at least bush is the head waiter...its better than cleaning toilets like you and the rest of your ilk!