This nation embarked on a path of evil over a generation ago. Where will it end? What will it cost?
Yesterday evening, the newly sworn-in prime minister of Israel, Ehud Olmert, gave an address before the nation’s legislature, the Knesset. It was a long address, covering many topics, but in it he said the following:…
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26 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Silas,
I've said all I care to about the Kennedy's, and I agree with you wholeheartedly that the American government should cut off aid to both Israel and the Arab states. It should also get its interfering hands out of our affairs.
But your comment that you find this conflict tedious amuses me. As the father of two sons who will be eligible to serve in the IDF, I have to say that if you find the affair tedious now, wait till your government sends troops here and the body bags go back to the States - going from Bethlehem Israel to Bethlehem PA, or Hebron Israel to Hebron CT.
And do remember, we have nukes too. And if your country starts to carpet bomb us, there is no reason that our subs shoudn't sneak into your waters and blow up what we can of your nation also. War is organized murder and can and DOES go in both directions.
27 - gazelle
RinJ:
Unfortunately, the religious parties here are selling their souls for money.
This is pretty much the norm, i'd say especially in parliamentary democratic vying for seats and power. never mind the rhetoric.
also where are the apocalyptic rabbis - in a party or something like gush emunim.
best
28 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
where are the apocalyptic rabbis
Gazelle, you are not the first to ask "where are our leaders?"
Many of them have been killed or intimidated into silence. Some, have been bought off. Many are being 'spun" into media silence. And many are wondering how far they should carry resistance to illegal orders.
29 - Paul Jordan, Sr.
Okay Ruvy,
Walk with me a bit and correct me where needed. Hebron is a major Jewish site because of Abraham. Yet what of the Arabs? "Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmail", do they not have a large claim of legacy there as well? It is obvious that our two countries are of the same sordid mold politically. The Judea crisis is long ago attributed to our predecessors, the English. Is there not a point of "Moral Sanity" here?
30 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
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Haaretz reported this morning that hundreds of soldiers moved in at about 08:00 to evict the residents of Beit Shapira after scuffling with other Hebron residents after the Sabbath ended and all night long on Saturday into Sunday.
A deal had been reached by which the residents agreed not to use violence against the police and army. According to Israel National News, the three families have left the house they bought, some leaving voluntarily, and now police are trying to clear the area. Later today, we'll see if the police violence used at Amona has been repeated in Hebron.
As I indicated earlier, there are real splits among the National Religious faction in this country, as to what extent violence should be used to resist the provocations and incitements of the regime. The behavior of the families in dealing with the IDF and Border Guards indicate this split.
But the government has truly embraced a path of evil, no matter how much the consciences of National Religious Jews are split over what to do in response. This report came from IMRA to my e-mail box last night. In essence, the Israeli government had decided to concentrate on recruiting secular young toughs, criminals, into its ranks, and to close its doors to Jews who have loyalty to G-d instead of the state. A Clockwork Orange seems to have landed here from the evil world of dystopias created by such people as Orwell.
31 - Paul Jordan, Sr.
But do they have the laugh down? The laugh in Clockwork Orange was key. What a sick world in which we explore Ruvy.
32 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Paul,
This article has dealt with the Israeli government because it is my opinion that any solution to the major security issues here must involve regime change - getting rid of the corrupt establishment ruling from Government Hill in Jerusalem.
This is not an issue that involves Arabs - which is why the isssue of Arabs living in Hebron has generally not been addressed.
One must understand that there are two distinct sets of issues that have to be faced here.
One is the issue of war and peace in the larger sense where it involves Israel and its Arab neighbors. That is where your question lies. In essence, you pose the issue of "what are the rights of Arabs as descendents of Abraham (through Ishmael) in inheriting the Land of Israel? At least that is where I think you are going.
The second issue, which is of much greater importance to me as a Jew living here, is the nature of the regime that is to set the future of my people. Entirely different issues are pendent upon this question.
These two issues only intersect with each other at the point of considering whether the Arabs will be able to replace the Jewish entity in its entirety with an Arab one.
Confusing these two questions leads to confused thinking about the issues involved.
Answering you intelligently and thoroughly would require an entire article on my part. For the time being, permit me to direct you to the Root & Branch website, specifically to an article by Dr. Asher Eder on reconciliation between the Children of Israel and Ishmael.
A short answer though, is this. If one takes a secular approach to the larger issue of security and war and peace, one winds up saying always, "yes, but." "Yes, but" is not a good PR tool in propaganda wars. But this is the approach of the Israeli government, and hence much of the Jewish establishment. G-d gets tossed in the trashcan, and the Israeli regime tries its best to do without Him. It is failing miserably.
33 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Paul, I apologize. The link I gave you above to Root & Branch will not work. Try this one instead.
34 - Yoel Ben-Avraham
I can see an irresponsible hot head losing it, but no Jewish resident on the communities I know from living in Judea and Samaria for over 25 years would deliberately and with premeditation fire a weapon on another Jew, even a Yasamnik. this may be the begining of the end of the Jewish State of Israel, but WE will not be the one's to pull the house down on top of ourselves!
35 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Yoel, Shalom u'vrakhá,
'Tisn't for me to argue with you. No committed Jew, who accepts the burden of the commandments, not you nor I, will fire a shot in premeditation to kill another Jew - even a Yasamnik. If civil war breaks out, it will be because we have been driven to fight to defend ourselves.
"If a man raises his hand to greet you, greet him first. Of he raises his hand to kill you, kill him first."
Many times the hand or the secularist elite in Israel has risen to kill other Jews. But in all these instances, it has used some means to hide the hand. Rav Benny Kahane and his wife were killed in a mafia style hit by Arabs trained by the CIA - who were hunted down by the Shaba"k and killed. Why? So that they could never say that the Shaba"k leaked to them the information of where Kahane's car was driving.
The Arab sharpshooters were the "glove" covering the hand. The glove was destroyed. The hand yet remains. This is just one example. So what I refer to is the day when the secularist elite decides it no longer needs the "glove" to cover its murderous hand.
With his opening speech as prime minister Thursday, Olmert donned the "glove" to hide the hand of murder - even as at that moment police were gathered to expel Jews from their homes. But with his comments Sunday calling the resistance to that expulsion "lawlessness" he doffed the glove. You will see more and more of this tactic as time goes on, until finally the glove is left aside and Jews who believe in G-d, as opposed to Jews who emptily follow ceremony, are targeted openly.
I do not think that this is the end of the Jewish entity here, though I do think that this State will fall of its unwillingness to do what it needs to do to survive. And Olmert and all of his ilk will be brought down with it.