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My early religious indoctrination was subsquently usurped by a scientific education. The latter required belief to be substantiated by irrevocable evidence, everythibg about our existence can be satisfactorily explained without resorting to superstition or religion etc.
It is usual for some of those indoctrinated with religious beliefs to desire to "convert" or impose their views on others. Often they are dogmatic and will resort to extremes to assert their opinion and throughout history this has been the case. The most appalling deeds against man have been commited in the name of religion and currently we are witnessing how Islam can be used to terrorise, kill and mame innocent people around our planet.
Ruvy, I'm sure you too will eventually come to realise how you have been misled and how a humanist position rather than blindly following a religious doctrine will help make the world a better place for all.
Rohan, I agree, I can see where people with religious views are coming from, I just think it's unfortunate they are not better equipped to assess the evidence (or lack of it).
All religions are based on faith, i.e. belief, not factual evidence. Folklore and historical inaccuracy underpins the "teaching" of all religions and irrefutable scientific evidence is conveniently ignored, because it undermines the credibility of the doctrine.
Rid us of religion and we'll be well on our way to a peaceful planet where human effort and resources can be directed to helping improve the lives of the less fortunate - the job that religions are supposed to do but as we see throughout history have singularly failed to accomplish.
Nothing more to say on this subject, I have seen the light and it's not coming from any GOD.
77 - Bliffle
People should keep their religious belief private, and they should be happy that they can. If their religious belief leads them to be better people and to behave better in society, good. But if they get drunk by the feeling of communal power they become dangerous as they seek to impose their ideas on others.
78 - JC
The problem with people practicing their religion is that most people don't practice their religion.
79 - steve
the illustrations arent a far cry from the truth. the islamic world needs to join the rest of the world in practicing freedom of the press, freedom of religion, expression...etc. FREEDOM IN GENERAL!!! get on with the times and get along with the rest of the world because after 2050...that whole part of the globe will be totally useless when the oil industry dries up. so who will you turn to then?
80 - RJ Elliott
Another UPDATE on the situation, this one from the BBC...
81 - Josh
See the Light
Does the word "obfuscation" mean anything to you? No? No reason, just checking. . .
Your "scientific education" has obviously failed you. Instead of being able to think for yourself, you've eaten up atheism because it has come from the hands of well-educated men and women. To require evidence is intelligent, however, it seems you've assumed we've already learned everything we can about the universe. I, for one, believe that we still have far much more knowledge to gain, and, until the time comes that we understand science in its entirety, for you to say "prove God exists" is intellectually childish. Until we understand science in its absolute whole, God is best left as a philosophical question (and, ultimately, it is much more fulfilling that way). The question evolves into: "How does existence itself exist?"
You are right when you say that many religious people attempt to "convert" others to their particular beliefs, and you are also correct in stating that many dishonorable deeds have been committed in the name of religion. As JC said, "The problem with people practicing their religion is that most people don't practice their religion" (well put, JC). To say that removing religion would make the world a better place is a tad naive. Believing that Jesus is the Son of God, or that Muhammad was Allah's Prophet does not hurt anyone -- if anything, it gives people a sense of hope. It is people who are the problem, who, as part of their nature, seek to impose their ways upon others. You are guilty of the same fault you abhor when you tell Ruvy that:
"I'm sure you too will eventually come to realise how you have been misled and how a humanist position rather than blindly following a religious doctrine will help make the world a better place for all."
In the end, whether public or private, religion is a good thing. Not only does it give people a sense of hope (which, as we've discussed, you are in no intellectual position to refute), but it also gives people a reason to treat each other well. What needs improvement is humanity.
82 - Sean
It seems that the Muslim commenters are insulted by the allegedly blasphemous depictions of their prophet, Muhammad.
Free people in a secular society have a right to insult and blaspheme to their heart's content. Blasphemy laws were repealed ages ago.
I have no idea as to the veracity of the pedophilia charges, but let me say that I do not believe that Muhammad was god's prophet. At best, he suffered from delusions; At worst, he was a charlatan and a fraud.
Oh, you don't like hearing that?
Too bad. Grow up and grow a thicker skin.
83 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Thanks, Josh,
I haven't been much in the mood for philosphical discourse lately.
84 - Anders
I am a Dane. I am agnogstic. I have a view on religions based on a secular,scientific or complete rational and logical deduction.
I have constitutionally granted right to question and debate any beliefs, political convictions or religions especially those that presents themselves to me in my face.If it wants me to change my society I have the right to object.
Islam is more than a system of religious thinking. It is also a POLITICAL manual for the way society should function. Alas the Sharia the Prophet and the Qouran can be discussed and opposed the way I oppposed communism. It is my right. Like it or not.
The quoran desecretes a lot of my beliefs and a lot of the followers and nations practise a form of Islam that I deplore. The wahhabi the stonings of raped women, adulterous couples, the oppression of gay rights. Only muslim contries like Turkey have laws originating from secular thinking.
Dear and repected muslims writing in here. Please explain to me as a dane why:
The christians cannot wear their crucifix in Saudiarabia and might go to jail.
Why cant they bring their Bibles.
Why is this more tolerant of their christian faith than painting Muhammed...peace be on him...
As, what you call a infidel, person I am interested in history and the religions impact over time. In that capacity I have seen numerous depictins and paintings of the Prophet...PBOH...made by musims......I am aware that the shias have practised it over long periods.......Why do you care what I think or do as a nonbeleaver......the sharia dosent apply to me......And never should.....unless I go to a muslim contry.....which I have done on many occasions......but never again.....I respect peoples traditions and bow to them when i go on visit. But I expect reciprocity.
A last question.....Would the muslim community react the same way if the drawings had not included´the bombhat...Only depicted him as the shepard as one of them did,,,,,,,,,Are you aware that the delegation of danish muslims that brought their complain to the arab goverments had included MANY fake pictures og the Prophet...pboh...Some of them he was mounted by a dog and depicted as a pig........I wonder if it was a muslim that fabricated those images..
I find it offensive to depict religious persons that way....rather any human or non human being...I beleave jews are often portayed that way in Saudi....
Being a critic of institutionalized religion in any form is not racist and can´t ever be.....All colours of people embrace all kinds of religion...
85 - Eric Olsen
it's pretty simple: Islam needs a Reformation. iam hopeful that the beginnings of one have begun. There isn't much place left in the world for religious outrage
86 - Heloise
That's kinda funny. I heard about it on the news but wanted to see the cartoons or hear what happened.
I happen to have great respect for the prophet and Islam, and why they go crazy when he is maligned is beyond me. I mean there is no depiction of him. And people make fun of Jesus here like there is no tomorrow.
DID I SEE THE NEXT ATTACK HERE?
I had a dream/vision this morning and in light of what Oh Bin laid on us, I want to share it:
I was with a group of people and we looked up into the sky and a tower (it stood alone with all the other buildings around it much shorter) was clearly on fire.
It had the same black, dark clouds coming out of it and rising to the sky. I think that the building was consummed...it just disappeared in the black smoke...no more building!
Someone in the crowd was saying something about it being their daughter's school.
It could be a building on a college or U campus with a tower standing alone with the other buildings shorter...the only clue about a place seemed to be that it started with M or had M and S in the state or city,...not sure about the location, which is crucial....but hope this vision is wrong...
Anybody else had an warnings????
Heloise
87 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Actually, Eric, what Islam suffered was being hijacked by the Wahhabi. Islam is not the religion of terror it appears to be. The Wahhabi have done one heck of a job in ruining the image of that faith.
88 - wizard of oz
speaking as someone who has lived in pakistan for 18 years and was born a muslim(though i dont consider myslef one anymore)
Islam IS a backward religon incompatible with the 21 century. and i personally feel that freedom of speech should prevail and nobody should have to apologise for anything.
however some comments about Islam in previous posts are horribly horribly twisted as are the facts.
live and let live
now lets have a cold one
89 - waleed
Anders,
"I have constitutionally granted right to question and debate any beliefs, political convictions or religions especially those that presents themselves to me in my face.If it wants me to change my society I have the right to object."
Questioning a belief or debating is very different from insulting and very different from linking terrorism to an inherit part of Islam and Mohammad.
We have not asked anyone in the world to believe in our beliefs, we just asked not to insult our whole religion in this worst way.
Insult and hate campaign are very different from debating or questioning.
I guess your Danis law has the following:
the Danish Penal Code: Section 266b:
Any person who publicly or with the intention of dissemination to a wide circle of people makes a statement or imparts other information threatening, insulting or degrading a group of persons on account of their race, color, national or ethnic origin, belief or sexual orientation, shall be liable to a fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.
So, actually, Muslims are asking about their rights only.
Muslims accepted insults and accepted lies and misleading information for many decades. Some of the results I can see it in many discussion groups of the hate tone, most based on lies and misleading facts about Islam.
90 - Lou
Anonymous Muslim wrote: "How about the catholics in Italy making a big deal about this goofy ad by Sony and making them pull it?"
At least the catholics handled it in a non-violent way.
91 - waleed
Interesting similar example about freedom of Speech from New Jersey:
Type in google rutgers university holocaust and you will find many articles about:
NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. - Student editors of a campus newspaper at Rutgers University apologized Wednesday for publishing a cartoon that mocked the Holocaust.
Editors of the Medium acknowledged they had hurt the feelings of readers by printing an illustration on the cover of the April 21 edition showing a man throwing a ball at another man sitting on an oven at the campus' spring fair. The text read: "Knock a Jew in the oven! Three throws for one dollar! Really! No, REALLY!"
"It is the responsibility of our staff to ... act with dignity by responding with a due apology," the newspaper said in a statement.
The cartoon sparked strong objections from many students and school officials, including university President Richard L. McCormick. Several national Jewish organizations also condemned the alternative weekly newspaper.
Editors said the drawing was not intended to be anti-Semitic but was "meant to amuse through extraordinary absurdity."
McCormick said he was pleased with the newspaper's apology. "I am hopeful that this apology is a sign of progress toward more responsible editorial judgment and exercise of their First Amendment rights," he said in a statement.
92 - Richard Brodie
Andres points out:
Islam is more than a system of religious thinking. It is also a POLITICAL manual for the way society should function.
It's more than just a manual of "guidelines". It's the law of the land in many Arab countries. That puts the Koran in the same position as constitutions in the Western World. Thus, criticising Mohammed and Islam falls into the same POLITICAL category as criticising Western political philosophies and leaders such as Marx and Communism, Jefferson and Republicanism, Roosevelt and Socialism, etc. If questioning these things, or even ridiculing and making fun of them, hurts somebody's tender feelings, TOO BAD! We are not going to stifle political discussion just because one primitive political movement wants to try and dress itself up as a religion.
And that is why, waleed, the Danish law about degrading someone because of their beliefs, applies to anti-Jewish defamation, but not to anti-Islamic defamation. Israel has a secular government which does not try to implement barbaric punishments from Old Testament times, the way Arab countries "chop hands off, slit throats, and stone people" - in the approving words of the Ayatollah Khomeni on the occsion of a birthday of Mohammed (pbuh).
The Jews keep their religion a private matter, and don't entertain ambitions of conquering the entire world with their doctrine, the way you guys do. Have you ever heard of such a thing as a Jewish suicide bomber? Of course not! That's because they have a culture that encourages people to live, not one like yours that encourages them to die.
All this having been said, I do not go along with the Danish, anti-hate speech law. These kind of laws are an unfortunate dilution of the Freedom of Speech. The ultimate ideal of true Liberty is to outlaw only those ACTIONS that result in DIRECT physical harm or incursion - murder, physical assault, battery, and tresspassing. You don't legislate about thoughts or emotions - neither attempting to force people to feel and express love, nor forcing them NOT to feel and express hate. I find hate speech law considerably more Orwellian than the government profiling and eavesdropping in order to try and prevevnt terrorism.
93 - Bliffle
Waleed:
I don't get your point. Seems like a normal exercise of free speech on all sides.
94 - see the light
Ruvy & Josh,
thanks for your replies but we must agree to disagree - that's the way the way civilised people behave. Unfortunatley there are those who cannot come to terms with an alternative opinion and resort to imposing their views in unacceptable ways. I'm sure that neither of you are in that category and are sincere in your beliefs, I just think you're wrong.
Some "faiths" are particularly intolerant and one in particular is renowned, hence the furore.
May your Gods go with you
95 - Dutch Viking
In Australia's New South Wales Supreme Court in December 2005, a visiting Pakistani rapist testified that his victims had no right to say no, because they were not wearing a headscarf.
And earlier this year Australians were outraged when Lebanese Sheik Faiz Mohammed gave a lecture in Sydney where he informed his audience that rape victims had no one to blame but themselves. Women, he said, who wore skimpy clothing, invited men to rape them.
A few months earlier, in Copenhagen, Islamic mufti and scholar, Shahid Mehdi created uproar when - like his peer in Australia - he stated that women who did not wear a headscarf were asking to be raped.
see more about everyday islamicfascism on Europeans and Scandinavians here:
96 - waleed
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Very strange interpretations of a law in double standard. However, we got used to double standard in all of our problems when dealing with the west.
I can see that you have a lot of hate towards us based on many propagandas.
But, one thing you need to learn if you are into these debates: to diffrentiate who is who?
"Because people see headlines that they don't like (they will) apply that to a whole religion, a whole faith, a whole region and a whole people?" he asked.
When you talk about Khomani is very different when you talk about Islam is very different when you talk about Muslims is very different when you talk about Arabs is very different when you talk about terrorists. I think you group us all together?
Mohmmad Ali was asked after 911 how he feels that he and Osama Bin Laden belongs to the same religion? He instantly replied, same way you feel that Hitler belongs to your religion.
Terrorists are killing as a matter of retaliation and not because of religion. Their value is: "if they killed our civilians, we will kill their civilians". So, the whole propaganda (including the cartoons)is to convince people that these people kill out of their religion to diverse the issue from the oppression that these people faced over most of the 20 century.
There are different western journalists who used to be strongly anti-islam anti-arabs and when they travelled to Lebanon, Palestine or other places, they changed their opinions and writings 180 degree.
97 - Dutch Viking
islam is rotten, just look at every islamic land, in iran you are trown into prison if you become a christian
in arabia the bible is forbidden
in morocco and almost every islamic land metal music is forbidden
if it was just a small number of terrorists then there lands wouldn't be so fascist
98 - waleed
I am talking about the Danish issue which the law give us protection. And everybody else is talking about hate to Islam.
1. Most of your info guys are wrong or twisted.
2. If you talk about human rights? Then, the biggest number of people died because of insane killing in the last several decades was in Europe. Funny, you killed millions of jews then to solve it, you throw a whole nation out of thier land and send jews there? Why didn't america or anyone in europe give jew peice of land to make it up?
mmmm, was not almost every arab country occupied by a european country in the 20s century? killing millions of innocents there? oppps one more, iraq, US + many european. The reason were lies and mistakes. Oh yes, that was after half million iraqis lost their lives because of a decade of sanction.
No musical instrument is not forbidden in morroco lol or any arab country not at all, but don't you see your you need to re-look into your definition of human rights?
99 - Jack from NOI
Armed militants angered by a cartoon drawing of the Prophet Muhammad in several European newspapers surrounded the office of the EU Commission in Gaza and searched hotels for foreigners to kidnap in the West Bank!!
WHAT? Does Islam mean 'peace'? Peace in WHAT?
100 - Jack from NOI
Waleed, the Jew demanded a country on their land. THEIR LAND! Got it?
Now, why don't the Islamic country take back their Arab people from Palestine and gave back the land to the Jew?
101 - Rohan Venkat
Hmm....on the whole it's a fact that today Islamic Radicals are dangerous, but not any more so than christian, hindu, jewish, buddhist radicals were in the past.
Islam is reforming, just because it doesn't happen on american/western terms, doesn't mean it's not happening. Some Countries here in the Arabian Peninsula now allow women to vote, and contest elections, many countires are also forming constituitions and moving towards democracy. Shariah may *seem* brutal, but it's also very effective.
Dutch Viking. I'm disgusted. Bibles are allowed in the country, in fact I have three in my own house and I'm not even Christian. Metal Music is allowed. There's a catholic church, and hindus are allowed to congregate for prayer.
The present backlash of Islamic militants is a consequence of western imposition, extending a long time into past, among other things.
To me all three big monotheistic religions are the same. They say almost the same things in different ways. The history according to them may be different, but they're still saying the same thing.
102 - T
This is a messed up issue. I am tolerant, I also accept any religion if it is based on peace. I have also gone to a mosque to try to understand the Muslim religion. I was greeted with open arms, and felt very free to ask any question I wanted. In fact, the mosque where I live (In Ontario, Canada) went out of its way to help local people understand the true beauty of their religion.
This is my only experience, first hand, with this religion. Now, I understand that there are radicals in every religion. We've all been pursecuted in some way, heck, every major religion has had its dark days.
The problem is that we don't know what the after life holds, if anything. So, to kill each other in the name of religion does not make sense.
If Muslim people are offended, they should be. I know Christians would be offended by the same depiction.
BUT....in my country, we have to understand that everyone is entitled to their own view whether you like it or not. You may not like it--fine voice your opinion--yell, scream, boycott--but no one, I mean no one has the right to attack another person.
THis type of action will only reaffirm the stereotype that Muslims are violent. It is obviously wrong, but Westerners are new to the Muslim religion and they are very afraid of what they do not understand. So, I can only hope that everyone tries the same thing I did, get involved, go to a mosque, church, or whatever, learn about what is really going on before you pass your final judgement.
Never make assumptions based on no first hand knowledge.
103 - Richard Brodie
Shariah may *seem* brutal, but it's also very effective.
Can't argue with that. Stoning a woman to death for being raped certainly does protect her against ever being raped again!
How dare America offend Middle Eastern Muslim sensibilities by punishing the rapist instead of the rape-ee. We need to adjust our backward so-called "civilized" conception of law, and instead follow the enlightened example of Islam.
Let's all write to our Congressmen and Congresswomen and demand, in the name of ethnic sensitivity for God's sake, that the death penalty be established for American women who goad Muslim men into rape, by not wearing burkas to cover up their irresistably beautiful and seductive faces.
104 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Waleed,
Unless I am wrong, you and I met on another thread and you live in Saudi Arabia.
I do not hate Islam. I respect Islam. But I know that the Wahhabi were kicked out by the Sunni 200 years ago or more. And if you're living in Saudi Arabia, and you are a Moslem, unless you are a visiting dignitary, you are Wahhabi.
And some of us understand how the system works in your country. Ibn Saud, supplied with money or weapons by the Union Bank, conquered Mecca and Medina and made himself king. He set his princes over the clans and they kind of supervise things.
And some of us understand that while the average Moslem does not really desire to conquer the world, but wants to be respected like anyone else, the Wahhabi have world conquest in mind. And your government, in addition to using the oil revenues you get to buy missiles and airplanes and a health and university system, build roads, etc, etc, also has invested very heavily in buying up the rest of Islam. We all understand the concept. You don't piss on the boss's shoes. And if the boss is a Saudi investor, you do what he says.
So, while out of one side of your mouth, you talk about rights under the Danish Civil Code, out of the other, you talk abut asking Allah to remove the Zionist entity. That is how your imams talk.
YOUR religion, your Qur'an says that when the Jews return to their homes in Israel, you Moslems will stand ready to help us build it. And Sherif Feisal, the man thrown off his throne by ibn Saud with American money, was ready to do just that. He respected his faith.
That is not how you guys talk. Hamas is Wahhabi influenced. They say they will never recognize our right to our own land. You say "you killed millions of Jews then to solve it, you throw a whole nation out of their land and send Jews there?"
That just don't cut the mustard. Your Qur'an recognizes our rights to the Land of Israel. I'm not talking about the Tana"kh.
I'm not talking about Christians. I'm not talking about the United Nations. Your book and mine both give MY people the right to live in Israel.
There is something very sick about the Wahhabi version of Islam. I'm not talking about chopping off hands or repressing women. I'm talking about the fact that you guys do not value life. You're willing to kill off other Moslems who don't agree with you. You're willing to kill off Christians. You are willing to kill off Jews. And remember, any Jew who really comprehends Judaism and believes in G-d understands what a Moslem is - the word mushlám means perfect in Hebrew. Your doctrines are not Islam. This is not perfecting oneself by submitting to Allah. That is just plain old fashioned murder.
That kind of Islam is unfortunately the brand of Islam that is more and more found in Europe and America, thanks to Saudi oil money. So, you guys have really pissed off the Europeans and they are now doing things that are perfectly legal, but which they would not normally do.
Sorry Waleed. Making fun of Mohammed is not a nice thing to do, not a very respectful thing to do. But your brand of Islam has gone against the basic precepts of your faith - to live in peace where there is peace. And now you are reaping the fruit. I will repeat here what I wrote in comment #2. It bears repeating.
The facts in Gaza speak for themselves. The ugly of face of Wahhabi inspired intolerance in Islam is there for anyone who wishes to look. Instead of seeking to live in peace in lands where there is peace, your people seek death, murder, mayhem...
...The rioters in Gaza make the truth all too obvious.
105 - Richard Brodie
Your book and mine
Ruvy, why isn't your book also their book? Muslims write "pbuh" whenever referring to Abraham or Jesus. So why don't they regard the Old and New Testaments to be scripture on a par with the Koran?
It seems like their exclusive emphasis is on the Koran. Did Mohammed (pbuh) really want his followers to throw out all previous revelation from Elohim (the Hebrew word for Allah)?
I'd like to hear Waleed's answer as well.
106 - DCShrink
Some of you guys needs to meet real muslims instead of imagined ones.
107 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Richard, there is a very strong similarity between Islam and Judaism. What you are looking at in terms of names for the Divinity are the liguistic differences between Hebrew and Arabic. They usd their terms and we use ours.
Qur'an, is related to the Hebrew root for reading or calling.
But their book was written about 1400 years ago or so. Ours was revealed to us 3,300 years ago. The Qur'an includes within it many rabbinic rulings that are not in Torah or Tana"kh. I can't talk about the NT.
Moslems view their Qur'an as final revelation, and claim that we changed it to come up with the Torah.
108 - waleed
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I read this many times, and i have no clue about its origin. A raped woman is a victim and the rapist is one of worst crimes. Anything other than that is a lie.
In our religion, we believe that a prostitute who had a lot of sins, entered heaven because one time she found a thirsty dog that was about to die from thirst and she had mercy on him and helped him and helped him to drink water. So, god forgave her with that simple thing for all of her sins. There is no limit to god forgiveness, and one good thing can wash out many bad things. But, this will be judged by God.
This why we believe that in our whole life we strive to do good and strive to avoid bad.
109 - gazelle
Ruvy : no just that it changed over time, the essential message of the revelation to the prophets were the same.
Prophetic fallacy
any way this a good article from the Guardian by
Dr Agnès Callamard is executive director of Article 19, a human rights organisation focusing on the defence and promotion of freedom of expression and freedom of information worldwide.
110 - Richard Brodie
I read this many times, and i have no clue about its origin. A raped woman is a victim and the rapist is one of worst crimes. Anything other than that is a lie.
Then evidently you didn't follow the links provided by Dutch Viking in post #95, concerning the epidemic plague of Muslim men who are brutally gang raping European women and children, down to as young as 9 year old little girls, all over France, Britain, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and Australia.
This practice:
1. is being ingnored or downplayed by the European multiculturalist appeasement establishment (one official in Norway actually suggested that Norwegian women will just have to start covering themselves up more, and not making themselves look so atractive, so they won't unduly stimulate the Mulsim male immigrants!); and
2. is being defended by prominent Muslim scholars and spokesmen.
Read it. It will turn your stomach, and make you wonder why these countries don't have the courage to protect their women by sending every single Muslim immigrant back where they can rape, stone, and honor-kill their own women.
111 - Jack from NOI
Mr. Waleed, I'm surprised that you don't know about the news. I'm not blaming you because lots of people 'keep only the information they like as the truth'. Here you go...
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17183525%255E32522,00.html
You also miss the point. It's your Islam teachers saying that "a woman should be RAPED because she doesn't hijab."
112 - JC
There are good Christians, there are evil Christians.
There are good Jews, there are evil Jews.
There are good Muslims, there are evil Muslims.
The battle should be between good and evil, not between diverse religions.
113 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
Gazelle,
Thanks for the link. It made interesting reading.
114 - waleed
Ruvy,
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When it comes to the Middle East there are two things that drives the politics: Palestine/Israel issue, and oil. All the media whether when it brings good news or bad news has political agenda behind everything they say.
Yes, I am a Saudi, and Islam is Islam, there is nothing as Wahabbism or other thing. There are Sunni about 80% and Sheie about 20%, there are other small groups here and there but very small. "Wahabbism version of Islam" is an American made label. I grew my whole life till I finished college and nothing was called as "Wahabbism version of Islam".
The whole propaganda came because it happened that Bin Ladin was a Saudi. He fought in Afghanistan during Reagan time against S Union. Same like many are fighting in Iraq today. He took training and had good links to CIA. Reagan used to call "Jihad" as "War for freedom" and supported them to fight S Union. Later on, when they fought the Americans it was called "holy war" and "terrorism".
When Osama commented on 911 in his famous tapes, he mentioned half million kids who died in Iraq, and mentioned Palestine he never mentioned Wahabbism or he hates others for the sake of hating.
Of course, we consider 911 and anything like it as crimes, but we also consider killing our people as crimes as well. We do have one standard in dealing with things.
So, my point, that is the whole propaganda of linking Islam, and Wahabism in Saudi Arabi and Saudi Arabia to terrorism is to divert the public opinions from the main reason of why "America under Attack"
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Wrong.
You must saw it on a distorted version of Quran of one of these internet sites that has many lies about Quran.
115 - JC
gazelle...
Re: Prophetic fallacy quote:
"The right to freedom of opinion and expression is a fundamental right that safeguards the exercise of all other rights and is a critical underpinning of democracy."
The application of this depends on whose ox is being gored.
116 - waleed
I just read the story of the Pakistan raped girl. Very sad and bad. However, this story represent nothing of Islam religion. Rapist were Muslims? Yes, but bad ones, criminal ones, who obviously should be punished.
It happened because they were away from Islam. In different similar tribes, there are a lot of ignorance about Islam.
So, this issue should not be labelled as "women in Islam" but "women in Pakistani tribes".
117 - RJ Elliott
Another UPDATE...
118 - RJ Elliott
And yet another UPDATE...
119 - JC
Anyone who did not expect this outrage is a fool.
Anyone who causes outrage just to get a laugh is an idiot.
Crying "free speech" is
120 - JC
not a vakid excuse.
121 - JC
sorry, -- valid.
122 - RJ Elliott
"Anyone who causes outrage just to get a laugh is an idiot."
But why are Muslims so easily outraged? You can call the cartoonist an idiot if you want (I respect your right to free speech!), but what about the lunatics going crazy in Gaza and elsewhere in the Muslim world over a few friggin' drawings?
The West allows "idiots" to make silly, provacative political statements. Good for the West.
The Muslim world responds to such freedoms with death threats and violence. And that ain't good for anybody...
123 - JC
There is no "equal outrage" law.
Outrage is a matter of "choice".
124 - Richard Brodie
Elliot's latest link contains the following:
Kofi Annan, the United Nations secretary-general, said he believed “freedom of the press should always be exercised in a way that fully respects the religious beliefs and tenets of all religions”.
Translated from multiculti doublespeak:
"Freedom of the press should always be exercised in a way that is consistent with DENYING freedom of the press when it comes to religion."
What an asshole this idiot is. If he had his way he would outlaw Free Speech forums like Blogcritics, if they didn't bleep out negative commentary on ANY religious beliefs. And this isn't just a farfetched hypothetical either. Right now he continues to agitate for transferring control of the internet from the United States to the United Nations.
125 - Anony
The war is coming. Islam doesn't tolerate any negativity about the faith. There is no freedom of speech in that regard.
But Christianity is not much better, they recommend praying for the death of Supreme Court Justices. Christianity will boycott the advertisers of a show, if they don't approve of it and shut it down. There is no freedom of speech when it comes to religion. Religion will go out of it's way to shut down that which it doesn't agree with. It does not adopt a live and let live approach. Right now, it's just fundamentalist Muslims that practice violence, but Christians are just as vocal in advocating it. Listen to them call for violence against ideological liberals and watch them froth at the mouth over topics like the death penalty. There is little difference. Have a nice day.