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— go to most recent comments26 - Nancy
I haven't seen these cartoons, but how did anyone 'know' the figure in the cartoon was the prophet himself? Was it labeled as such, or was it just a generic 'muslim' male in a robe & turban? And why is everyone boycotting this food company? Did they sponsor the cartoons?
27 - Justin Berry
It's all in the interpretation Nancy. It really doesnt matter if the company had anything to do with the cartoons. They are Dutch thats all that matters. Its alright for muslims to boycott a whole nation for one persons cartoon just make sure Americans dont target or boycott muslims in any way for the actions of their followers.
28 - Sean
I cannot find a link to them, but if I recall correctly the cartoons were labelled as being Muhammad.
I think the food company is being boycotted simply because it is danish. Guilt by association I guess.
29 - Jack from NOI
Mohammed contracted the marriage with Aisha when Aisha was only 6. Mohammed then 'consumated' Aisha when Aisha was only 9 and Mohammed was over 50. There are numerous records for proof in Islam document - Al Hadiths (Al Bukahri).
Mohammed also told other people that he dreamt of Aisha many times.
Why would a 50+ old man thirst for sex with a 6 year old girl?
Does this Islam information hate the feelings of the Muslim world?
Why did Mohammed ask his followers to follow his 'sunnah' (deed)? Does it prove the Mohammed was promoting sex education to minor?
30 - Dariush Abadi
Why are Muslims outraged by the cartoon more than the beheadings and suicide bombings? Actually, its a difference on how they react.
For example, in America, when Timothy McVay bombed Oklahoma, did Americans go in the street and mass protest and shout "Down with McVay"? No
But when someone from the Muslim world shouts "Death to America" (such as Ayatullah Khomeini, etc.) Americans get furious and start rioting and protesting. I remember in the 1980's, when "Death to America" was shouted in Iran against America, Americans took to the streets and started beating Iranian-Americans in the streets in revenge.
Its the same thing. Why are you putting fingers at the Muslim-World as if they are any different than how Americans react to different things that insult them?
Americans too get pissed off when their flag is burned, and their country is demonized. The American god is the flag and country, the Muslim god is God, and Muhammad was His Prophet.
31 - Bing
To all of you on here bitching about how offensive the cartoons are I have one thing to say to you...........
too fucking bad.......
You guys know what I find offensive?
Muslims terrorists hijacking American planes and flying them into buldings.
Muslims kidnapping reporters and civilians and killing them on videotape.
Muslim governments supporting terrorists.
I know that not every Muslim is a terrorist but the ones who aren't don't exactly condemn the ones who are. So they can go fuck themselves too.
It seems like everywhere Muslims go there's a radical minority of them that have to cause trouble. Wether it's the hate speech being expressed in Britian, the civil unrest and disrespect for traditional culture in France or the terrorists attacks in Spain and America.
I as a westerner am tolerant. You want to practice Islam and worship allah? Fine. Just do it peacefully without conducting terrorism or looking the other way when others conduct terrorism in the name of Islam.
However if you want to fuck with the USA you better believe we're gonna fuck with you back.
Another thing..........
I am so fucking tired of hearing American liberals bitch and moan about Abu Gharib, Guantanamo, and torture. I say if some Al Queda douchebag has even the slightest bit of information that can save American lives we should make him sit in a cell in Gauntanamo while he watches American soldiers wipe thier asses with pages from the Qaran and we torture him until he gives up the information or we kill him trying.
32 - Jack from NOI
The Saudi is using this event as a test to their influential power on international stage. It's all political. The Muslim should not be entrapped by the Saudi's conspiracy to cause chaos to the world order and mutual understanding of countries.
33 - Rohan Venkat
Hmm...Bing, wow. Every community has it's radical elements, what you should be wondering about is why the media around you is fixating so much on Muslim radicals? And it's a fact that Islamic countries condemn terrorist attacks that kill/injure civilians all the time.
Jack from NOI, I'm not sure why the Taliban did that, but the Buddha would've been pleased. He particularly asked that no idols be used in the name of Buddhism.
Michael, again, wow, that felt pretty racist to me. And I'll bet you'll be among the fallout to those nukes.
I beleive in free speech, and that the cartoonist was exercising his/her. And although i wouldn't have done the same, any muslim country that is doing anything as a reaction to this, is also exercising it's own rights.
Tolerance is over-rated. Tolerance means that you're just bearing with this other person/community/religion. Acceptance is what we need.
Isn't it generally agreed that we needn't all do the exact same thing in order to be succesful in life? In fact we're encouraged to be innovative...then why do we have to 'tolerate' someone else using a different path to the same goal?
34 - Nancy
Actually, with regard to boycotting the food just because it's 'Dutch', didn't Americans boycott something even dumber: "French" Fries - which weren't even French?! Boycotting American potatoes because of the way they're cooked. Yeah, that's intelligence for ya.
35 - Anonymous muslim
Wow, Jack from NOI
More bullshit to make us muslims look bad
Lets see, getting married to a girl before she has even hit puberty or is mentally ready for sexual relations is illegal in Islam, the prophet taught us this and the quran says this. So you're telling me the prophet broke the rules he himself preached? Let's not mention the fact that Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, asked Muhammed to marry his daughter. The only thing that makes me more sick than your racism is your bullshit head trying to come up with weak insults to undermine our prophet.
36 - Jack from NOI
Anonymous muslim, so u agree your 50-plus-year-old Mohammed married a 6-year-old Aisha and had sex with her when she was 9?
You also agree to follow the 'sunnah' (deed) of Mohammed?
You will marry a kiddie and have sex with her?
What's the word you describe an old man who wants sex with a kid? No insult. I just want to know the word. I remember it starts with a 'P'. Hm..not 'Prophet'.
Rohan, you missed my point. If the Muslim world doesn't respect the religion of the other, why should the other people respect their religion?
37 - Druxxx
Islam is only part of the problem. Religion SUCKS! I will never follow a path that says killing is O.K. if done for your religion.
38 - zingzing
some muslims are bad, some christians are bad, some jews are bad. some muslims get insulted, some christians get insulted, some jews get insulted. judge people on an individual basis, not by what they wear or don't wear on their head. shit.
39 - RJ Elliott
UPDATE
40 - Bing
To all of you on here claiming that Islam is no different than any other religion.
Some Muslims hijack planes and fly them into buildings killing thousands of American civilians.
No christians have done that.
No Jews have done that.
No Buddhists have done that.
Some Muslims attack subways in London.
No christians have done that.
No Jews have done that.
No Buddhists have done that.
Some Muslims blow up trains in spain killing civilians.
No christians have done that.
No Jews have done that.
No Buddhists have done that.
to all of you on here claiming that Islam is no different
41 - Rohan
I find this whole debate both fascinating and worrying at the same time. Broadly speaking, in the Western world we have access to almost unbounded freedom of speech and association, but how far should we go?
Personally I think that freedom of speech is unlimited so long as it does not preach hatred of other people. In this case, I don't really think it was a hateful cartoon. Insensitive perhaps but as noted by someone else on this board, freedom of speech lets you be rude and as ignorant as you like.
Last year in my country, London was bombed by Islamic extremists. Now, I certainly didn't hear of any violence in the streets or attacks towards Muslims in the immediate aftermath of that attack. I believe that in general, the UK is a tolerant country towards other religions and especially Islam. But my point is that Muslims in the West also need to become far more tolerant towards Western freedoms!
Uncomfortable as it may be for muslims living in the West, you are going to have to get used to this kind of situation. The majority of occidental countries (in fact all of them!) do not have a Muslim majority, so those citizens do not necessarily agree with all of the religious rules and beliefs of Islam.
We in the UK (and I'm guessing the rest of the democratic world) want the right to make fun of who we want! Christain, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist or whatever religion or belief, none should take precedent to that very lucky right that we have; that right to say (or print) what you like.
42 - gazelle
Great brawl, people - you've demonstrated how low you can get, and believe yourselves too " that you’ve preserved and delivered these great gems of excresence - here's mine.
Actually they are all pedophiles, they love to slash throats, especially those that don't repeat what they are told to. They love violence, and suicide, even more. They are also perverts, and allow only one expression - come f--- me. Need to know any more? Horror movies and true evil is great isn't it? Especially if you find someone to fit the code, you know what I mean.
the toon is here too
actually there is series ...??
Artistic Expression: why people give a s--- ? because its a matter of 'taste' : they have a right to express their truest feelings about the artists work, (or in case they haven't seen the work then) the subject of the work (even if they overheard about it from their neighborhood training camp)). Great life, Rushdie, I wish I could offend as many people, even if what u wrote was uh nothing special - just east-west-india woven in so people from one of these wouldn't know what the f--- the other two creatures lying in bed were doing!
Goofy Cartoons showing turbans which are actually bombs: i'm sure the sikhs, not so much as the fulani, are just as excited that their true nature is finally being revealed. Its a matter of sticking to your most obvious single identity, in a congealing glob-al sewer that respects only freedom of p-ss--g and s--tt--g. Ahh - modern life! The cartoon does look very South Asian indeed, especially like those orientalist sketches of the natives, em.
Censorship: of the scarf, of speaking one's own language, and the outrage at the lack of censorship of the artist KW - who drew at the insistence of the editor, may or may not have been a rushdie belligerence - but is great publicity for Islam - oh prince of Denmark what have thine eyes seen?
43 - tommyd
This guy Bing needs to get laid in the worst possible way imaginable. The proverbial foam gathering around the corners of this guy's mouth is even spraying into cyberspace. What a fucking nutjob. His stated "facts" are nothing but regurgitated neocon talking points he heard from watching Fox News or listening to schmuks like Hannity and Rush.
Here's the deal: Islam and Muslims are under attack by the United States/Israel because Islam and Muslims can not and will not submit to the will of the United States/Israel. Nor do Muslims want to live in decadent Western-style capitalism/materialism, so they're hated by the warmaking Oligarchs and Plutocrats who want to exploit their nations and culture.
Secondly, Muslims in Western nations can't be blamed for being there and demanding equal rights. Western nations from Britain, France, Denmark and The Netherlands ARE THE ONES TO BLAME FOR LETTING THE MUSLIMS INTO THEIR COUNTRIES EN MASSE IN THE FIRST PLACE. The MUSLIM IS NOT TO BLAME, IT IS THE WESTERN NATIONS WHO LET THEM IN WHO ARE TO BLAME.
Thirdly, most Americans are woefully ignorant about what Islam teaches. Most Americans are treacherously bigoted towards Muslims.....assigning collective blame for the actions of a very few. It's a sickening disgrace.
Fourth, I don't want Muslims flooding into the West, but I support them 10000% in establishing their own self-determination within their own lands. If they want to live under Sharia, then the West should shut it's mouth and let them be. The Muslim will open his arms to you when you come in peace, but if you come to them with war you will get war. I'm telling you the truth.
God help us all.
44 - Dave Nalle
Bing, your examples of things muslims have done which no Christians or Jews or Budhists have done, fail miserably because most of those things - except the plane crashing which is just a subset of car bombing but done in the air - have been done by Christians and Jews and even Budhists. Read up on the history of Israel, Ireland and Japan sometime. You'll find all the car bombings, subway bombings, gas attacks building bombings and other acts of terror you care to read about - none of them from Muslims.
Dave
45 - Richard Brodie
Rohan is the only Muslim on this thread who has had the guts to try and respond to the embarrassing points I raised in post #3. He admits that picturing any human or animal in art is condemned by Islam as a blasphemous affront, not just to Mohammed, but to their god, Allah. He says:
I think the point you're making is very interesting. It actually shows the tolerance of Muslims worldwide. They don't say anything against museums and paintings, although they could, but when someone offends the Prophet himself, then they have every right to be offended...Richard, I think the point you're making is very interesting. It actually shows the tolerance of Muslims worldwide. They don't say anything against museums and paintings, although they could, but when someone offends the Prophet himself, then they have every right to be offended...
With all due respect, this makes no sense at all.
Question: Is Mohammed greater than Allah?
Muslim Answer: No. The Prophet did not create Allah. Allah created Mohammed (pbuh). Allah is so great, in fact, that he can "be in peace" without us having to say "peace be upon Him" every freakin' time we say his name! Therefore Allah is greater than Mohammed (pbuh).
(Are you with me so far?)
Question: Is seeing an affront against Mohammed a greater reason to be outraged than seeing an affront against the very Creator of the Universe?
Muslim answer: Of course not. Being disrepectful to Allah is much more serious than being disrepectful to Mohammed (pbuh), who is merely one of His creations.
Question: OK. So then why are Muslims not infinitely more angry about seeing art produced and put on public display, which Allah has explicitly forbidden - and not just in one little Danish newspaper, but in millions of places all over the world? Why are they only going as far as trying to get the UN to step in and abrogate freedom of expression in the Western World with respect to depictions of Mohammed, and saying nothing about the much more widespread practices about which they should be considerably more outraged? Rather than showing the "tolerance of Muslims worldwide", does this not rather show their cowardice? And if they are so tolerant when it comes to offenses against Allah, why would they not show even greater tolerance for a much less serious offense against Mohammed?
Muslim answer: ???
46 - JC
Dieci anni di passione
In the console wars raging between Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo, taking aim at a competitor not only makes for good gossip and quotes, but also it's expected. No one will blink an eye if Microsoft irks Sony or if Nintendo brushes off Microsoft. But regardless of one's religious preferences, it's probably not a good idea to incense the big man upstairs or the house He built.
An ad campaign from Sony in Italy has done just that. Full-page ads celebrating the PlayStation's 10th anniversary recently ran in the country's newspapers and magazines. They featured a young man smiling sheepishly while wearing a crown of thorns. If that already sounds touchy, it gets worse.
The thorns are contorted into the X's, O's, triangles, and squares--the symbols on the faces of the PlayStation's four main buttons. A phrase at the bottom of the ad reads "Dieci anni di passione," which translates to "Ten years of passion," a possible reference to Mel Gibson's controversial Jesus biopic The Passion of the Christ.
"This time they've gone too far," Antonio Sciortino, editor of the Catholic weekly Famiglia Cristiana (Christian Family), told a local newspaper, according to Reuters. "If this had concerned Islam there would have been a really strong reaction."
Sony has reportedly since apologized and has pulled the advertisement from circulation
http://discussions.godandscience.org/about1271.html
47 - gazelle
Brodies's comments about muslim views on art are mostly false and are written as if they are all united under what brodie has to say. no such thing. There is much diversity of views even about art and iconography. While you might not see pictures of muhammad, like u do of jesus, so that one doesn't get attached to the icon or the messenger (the depiction of the deity is aniconic like yhwh, brahman, allah, or budhhist nothingness) you will find him in paintings such as on this page: Buraq Wikipedia". so there goes your whole Rembrandt argument.
48 - gazelle
Dante's Freedom of expression
49 - Bing
Muslims are attack from Israel and America Tommyd?
Cry me a friggin river.....
It's Muslim terrorists who intentionally seek to kill American and Israeli civilians. When America and Israel defend fight back they don't intentionally target Muslim civilians.
Israel is a tiny nation compared to all the land that Muslims in the middle east inhabit and the muslims still won't leave Israel alone. I don't recall any prominent Israelis publicly stating that any predominately muslim nation should be wiped off the face of the earth. The president of Iran on the other hand, who is muslim and heads a mainly muslim nation has publicly said that Israel should be wiped off the map.
Second Muslims in western antions don't want equal rights they want special rights. In France the government told the muslims there that they would not allow muslim students to wear thier veils in school because it was not part of the culture of France and muslims threatened violence. There are muslims in Britian in America who recieve all the benifits of citizens, some recieving substantial goverment funds and benefits and then they do nothing but bitch about how bad and evil America and Britian are and some of them are terrorists or associate with terrorists.
Third I did not assign blame to all Muslims for what radical Muslims do. I clearly stated that I believe not all Muslims are terrorists so don't put words in my mouth asshole. Also I am ignorant of most of what Islam the religion is about. So what? I'm not muslim. I don't need to know the tenets of Islam. All I need to know is that there is a small group of muslims who want to kill wasterners in the name of islam.
Fourth..... Tommy you implied that I said all Muslims were the same, that they're all terrosists. I did no such thing but you seem to be implying in your posts that all muslims despise the western lifestyle and desire to remain in the middle eats and live under muslim dictatorships. This is bullshit as many muslims have moved to western nations because they sought the western lifestyle. Also many iraqis have said that they are better off now that America has come to iraq.
Don't go using the trite left wing smear tactic of calling me a racists and all that bullshit tommy cause thats what it is... bullshit
I have no problem with any muslim who wants to practice thier religion in a peaceful manner anywhere on this planet but the small group of radical muslims that would use the religion to harm innocent civilians needs to be dealt with. They need to be killed ASAP. If the other muslims don't want to help us they I have no sympathy for them and if you don't like that Tommy well you can go fuck yourself.
50 - Saad
I wish you people will stop perpuating the lie that Aisha was marriage when 6 years old. No she was not! In fact she was married more like 18-20, based on rough estimates using key historical events in Islam -- See this webpage for this conculsion was drawn up the author: http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=375
51 - Gaurav
Sure, Danes have free expression. Saudis have their own version of free expression which allows them to boycott products made by racist crackers.
52 - JC
But it's fun to make fun of someone else's religion.
It's fun to have fun.
Boys will be boys.
53 - Jack from NOI
Saad, knowing your 'P' Mohammed who had sex with a kiddie is painful so you have tried your best to deny it. However, the fact is evidenced by your Islamic source. I'm glad we have FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION to expose the fact.
Here is one of the sources proving Aisha was only 9 when she was 'consumated' by Mohammed.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
There are more:
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310
Sahih Bukhari vol. 5, Number Narrated 'Aisha
If the Muslim world doesn't like the above sources, muslims should burn their own books and beat up their imams.
54 - Richard Brodie
gazelle says:
Brodie's comments about muslim views on art are mostly false ... so there goes your whole Rembrandt argument.
Learn something, gazelle:
(from the USC Compendium of Muslim Texts)
On the authority of Abu Hurairah (ra) it is reported that the Messenger of Allah (saas) said:
And who is more unjust than those who try to create the likeness of My creation?
The most severely punished of people on the Day of Resurrection will be those who try to make the like of Allah's creation.
Every picture maker is in the Fire. A soul will be placed in every picture made by him and it will punish him in the Hell-fire.
I can see that no Muslim here has the courage to give me a straight answer. So I'll just conclude by saying that I hope a movie will be produced about Mohammed similar to the Passion of Christ. It should be called the Poison of Mohammed, depicting what a bloodthirsty pedophile this person was, and what an incredibly malignant blight his religion has been, and continues to be, on this planet.
55 - zingzing
christianity has been a "malignant blight" on this planet as well, mr. brodie. but, people justifying violence with religion is like a murderer saying "the voices told me to." anyone who murders in the name of religion is just a psychopath, or they want something else, like land or revenge.
56 - JC
Let's distinguish what zealots and fanatics do in the name of religion, and what the religion actually teaches.
And lets stick with the world since WWII, since that was the war that was supposed to get rid of the zealots and fanatics of the world.
57 - Michael
Since muslims are so fond of the moon, let's evacuate them to the moon. They will be happy there, and we peoples of the free world can say: "Finally Peace".
58 - Critic
Hi…
World religions should be respected. In my opinion posts of this nature attract traffic, if that was your idea, then you are foolish!
59 - Ahmed
True muslims really condemn these suicide bombing and killing innocent people, but do not condemn killing those who kill them and invaide their lands..this is logic! any people in occupied land will resist the invaidors with all means..right?!
about the danish drawings, not they are not free to interfere with others affairs, do all of you like ( in the name of freedome of expression) to come one day and insult your wives or parents in such cartoons to be puplished world wide?!! of course not! so you have to know that Prophet Mohammed is much more important for us than any other one in the world, we love him as no one in the world loved any one..we can not accept any word to be said on him because if you read his history and knew about his morals and mercy all of humanity will respect him even his enemies..
60 - Bliffle
People who wish to keep their religious beliefs free from government interference ought be more circumspect. Keep your religion to yourself: the rest of us don't want to hear about your egregious demands.
61 - Rohan Venkat
Richard Brodie, I'm neither muslim, neither am I an authority on Islam, I took what you said about art being forbidden, as close to, if not the truth , based solely on what you said.
And in my reply, what i really meant was, that all that art is clearly not aimed at the muslims, not aimed at their culture, and so, although they would prefer to be without art, they acknowledge the presence and rights of non-muslims, and do not decry all of that. Whereas, when there's a useage of this freedom of speech that is clearly aimed at their culture, they have have every right to reply as they feel right, obviously i hope that in this reply they are not equally racist, and on thw whole i don't beleive they have been.
I beleive they've clearly chosen to adjust to a world where their laws aren't upheld, but not as an insult to islam, instead, because of the existence of other religions and peoples, of other ideas, and maybe out of ignorance of what's in the Quran. But when something like the cartoons came out, clearly targeting Islam, they no longer are dealing with the existence of other cultures, but a direct insult to their religion.
At first when I heard what some of the Islamic countries did as a reaction to the cartoons, i felt that it was an over-reaction. But seeing this article and some of the comments made here, made me really angry. I wouldn't have done the same thing as the countries did, but recognise their right to do as they feel, and would never make this a reason to call Islam a "Religion of Intolerance".
62 - gazelle
Brodie:
Abu Hurairah is not equally 'authoritative' to all schools of thought within islam. In fact he in not at all authoritative to some. aska shia and ask a sunni.
so my point stands. you are welcome to quote the worst examples. Yes, there are plenty of those too, as propaganda, among sects and justification for legitimacy of 'muslim' regimes, states and usurpers. Islamic history demonstates that that this is less about religion than politics, in my opinion.
updated site with the 12 toons
63 - Richard Brodie
Rohan,
These cartoons "clearly targetting Islam" are no different than cartoons portaying Bush as an imbecile, which clearly target neo-conservatives. The fact is that in the civilized world we recognize the right to Freedom of Speech. And this includes being able to ridicule and express our hatred for any public figure and any political OR RELIGIOUS philosophy. Just look at the "hate speech" that has been expressed towards Pope Benedict.
We tolerate the Arab/Muslim world's hate speech toward our sacred ideal of Freedom of Expression, don't we? I don't care how much they rail about it, but I draw the line at the point where they try to intimidate with threats of violence, and seek to get the U.N. to try and nullify our consitutional protections, by having THEIR religion set up as some kind of a special ideological preserve that is off limits to Free Speech.
64 - JC
The best way to get people to see your point of view is to hit them on the head with a 2x4 -- the harder the better.
65 - see the light
The real problem is the pathetic mentality of those that follow RELIGION of any sort.
These utterly stupid people are oblivious to the reality of life - there is NO GOD,but there are many humans prepared to kill others in the name of their misguided beliefs.
Currently, the most intolerant of all faiths is Islam, this is probably a reflection of the primitive minds prevalent in those areas of the world where it's practised and where manifold acts of barbarism are regular testimony to it's intolerance and desire to dominate.
Religion is about POWER and nothing else, it trades on the gullibility of masses to exercise influence on their lives.
Rid the world of religion and the human race will embark on the true road to peace.
66 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
see the light, looking for some, wrote
"there is NO GOD,"
Alright - you've made your assertions. Now let's see your proofs.
67 - Aamir Ali
These derogatory cartoons show the depth of hatred and ignorance about Islam and Muslims in the West. It is correct for Muslims to condemn this filth published by the Danish newspaper and to boycott their goods. I have read some comments by people on this board and their knowledge level is zero while their hatred level is very high. Even after destroying Iraq and killing thousands of innocent muslims, the bloodthirsty Americans/Israelis are not satisfied.
68 - see the light
Hi Ruvy,
Typically you have missed the point.
It is not incumbent on those who do not believe to prove the non- existance of a God, it is up to those that do, but of course they can't.
If an individual is receptive to idiotic superstition and ready to mentally translate mythology/fantasy into reality, there is little hope for that individual as they are ripe for religious exploitation by those seeking control and power.
Just take a look at human history.
69 - see the light
what's all the fuss about?
take a look for yourself
http://face-of-muhammed.blogspot.com/
70 - Richard Brodie
Aamir, evidencing a "very high level of hatred" towards the West, says:
I have read some comments by people on this board and their knowledge level is zero while their hatred level is very high. Even after destroying Iraq and killing thousands of innocent muslims, the bloodthirsty Americans/Israelis are not satisfied.
Aren't you lucky, Aamir, that America gives you the Freedom of Speech to come onto the American created and American controlled Internet and express how much you HATE what you (erroneously) perceive that America is doing! How does it feel to be able to BENEFIT from our Freedom of Speech to express what you hate about the West, while at the same time CONDEMNING Freedom of Speech because it allows US to express what we hate about your culture and religion (such as the "bloodthirsty Arab/Muslim terrorists", to use your own manner of speaking).
Far from being "zero", our level of knowledge is actually very high. The Arab world's recent childish tantrum over these Danish and Norwegian catoons, and the call by Muslims WORLDWIDE (not just by some fringe extremists) to be granted special exemption from the Freedom of Speech rights which exist in the CIVILIZED portions of this planet, are what cause us to experience the most profound revulsion toward an ideology that belongs back in the DARK AGES, not in the Modern enlightened Free world.
71 - Ruvy in Jerusalem
see the light
I kinda suspected you'd try to get out of proving your assertions with that line of BS. Proving a negative is a lot harder than proving a positive, which is why it is intelligent not to make negative assertions.
If you can't prove your assertions, they are just statements of faith, as in "I believe there is no etc."
Makes you no better than me in that department.
Stick with agnosticism. It's a learned way to say "I don't know" - you don't.
72 - Rohan Venkat
Richard, I beleive in Free Speech, and ask all neo-conservatives to boycott goods from whomsoever makes fun of Bush, if that is what they want.
Again I repeat, i wouldn't have done what they did, and even if they have gone to the UN, it's they're right to propose such a resolution, which would then be voted on by the assembly...
And I agree with your reaction to this too, it's your own right. What i didn't agree with was your comment on how ridiculous it was for muslims to be angry with the cartoons, and not the art world.
See the light, there is no God? I don't assert that there is one, but i have to say, where d'you think all this came from? Everything, all of it?
I can at least clearly see where anyone who beleives in God is coming from.
I live in a muslim country, that is, for a fact, safer than most other places in the world, a muslim country that accepts outsiders as long as they're modest.
I don't agree with your statement that Islam is 'primitive...to me it's as primitive as the other 2 big monotheistic religions.....
Some of my good friends are muslim, and I've met many muslims and only some of them i'd consider 'primitive' or 'barbaric', pretty much the same amount as i would of the christians, or hindus that I've met.
73 - Michael
Hi there! Today I purchased a lot of DANISH BEER! To support our friends in the north. Islam a religion of peace? Yes, but peace on their terms only, and we in the west nowadays know what that means. The new caliphate, they can stick it up to their... you know what.
74 - Richard Brodie
stl refers us to:
http://face-of-muhammed.blogspot.com/
Take a look at the last one. It is actually quite complimentary to Mohammed. He is depicted confronting an incensed, sword brandishing mob, and he says:
Easy my friends, when it comes to the point, it is only a drawing made by a non-believing Dane.
75 - Bliffle
Ruvy: "Makes you no better than me in that department.
Stick with agnosticism. It's a learned way to say "I don't know" - you don't."
And, neither do you. Pairing Lights atheism with your faith is a double edged sword: he's no better than a believer and a believer is no better than him, ergo, both should be agnostic. Is that really what you want to say?